Eyewitness: Another man arrested on Flight 253?

posted at 4:54 pm on December 28, 2009 by Allahpundit

Verrry interesting. This is Kurt Haskell, the same guy who claimed he saw an Indian man trying to talk security into letting Abdulmutallab on the plane without a passport; skip ahead to around 3:15 and listen to him explain how that wasn’t the only Indian (Pakistani?) man who figured into the day’s events and how the contraption taped to the bomber’s crotch might not have been the only explosives on board. Remember, according to yet another passenger, there was a third man on the plane who was “very calmly” videotaping the entire flight, including the moment when the passengers jumped the bomber. Sounds like he’s not the same guy as the mysterious Indian man described by Haskell, as the latter was supposedly arrested on the spot whereas the former was allegedly allowed to leave and is now being sought by the feds. How big of a cell was on this flight, exactly?

Another question: When Haskell talks at the end about the FBI moving the passengers because there was a safety risk, were they still on the plane at the time or had they already gotten off? It sounds like they were already in the terminal or some holding area, but if that’s true, why would there still be a threat from a bomb possibly hidden in the luggage? Presumably the baggage had all been segregated by then. Click the image to watch.

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The simplest, and most effective thing to do would be profile … you know, use some common sense?

darwin on December 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Yeah, but you never know when Bob Smith, the tire salesman from Omaha, or Virginia Jones, the 70-year old great-grandmother from St. Loius, might just be trying to slip a little too much explosive mouthwash or perfume on board.

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM

portlandon on December 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

LOL!!! I have gotten excellent answers to my question. I guess we will only know the truth if the FBI finds him or he finds a media outlet to pay big bucks for the rights.

Cindy Munford on December 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM

I would not get on a plane if even one person was even remotely considered to be a Muslim by my trained eye. I would only fly with the Israeli carrier because they profile people. They know that only Muslims want to kill them. How many planes were bombed or even attempted to be bombed by non-Muslims in the last 10 years.

royzer on December 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

A friend suggested creating a non-islamic Airline. Would such a company prosper?

Prior to boarding you deface the koran and denounce islam?

I don’t know, friend suggested it last night at a dinner party.

father on December 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM

I question the intelligence of giving big earth shattering missions to over medicated people. Except, of course, these particular people. For them I encourage more drug use.
Cindy Munford on December 28, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Legend has it that the word “hashish” comes from the Arabic of the word “assassin”. This rumor has been denied, but I’m leaning toward its veracity.

Buy Danish on December 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM

The system worked! I mean, no it didn’t! I mean… wait, what day is it?

Midas on December 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM

The real terrorists are on the golf course.

(Sorry if this has already been used.)

NCC on December 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM

My ideal airline would require consumption of a BLT before boarding, and everyone would put their feet up on the seats in front of them. One can dream….

hot-heir on December 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM

A friend suggested creating a non-islamic Airline. Would such a company prosper?
Prior to boarding you deface the koran and denounce islam?
I don’t know, friend suggested it last night at a dinner party.

father on December 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM

As long as right after the defacement and denunciation they must wear a cross necklace and down a super-sized BLT, I’m in.

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM

How many planes were bombed or even attempted to be bombed by non-Muslims in the last 10 years.

royzer on December 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

So true, but even if you put in percentage wise, they still wouldn’t see the truth.

Gob on December 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Yeah, but you never know when Bob Smith, the tire salesman from Omaha, or Virginia Jones, the 70-year old great-grandmother from St. Loius, might just be trying to slip a little too much explosive mouthwash or perfume on board.

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Seriously, I know Virginia and that ain’t mouthwash….or perfume….though she does smell like that most of the time.

TBinSTL on December 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM

People on that flight are seriously lucky.

Apologetic California on December 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM

O, this story is so sexy, I can’t get enough of it.

What is with blurring out the face of the guy in handcuff on the plane?

WTF???

And what is it with blurring the face of an Indian/Paki videotaping on the plane?

What do we not want to know who the Mystery Man is?

Political Correctness!!!!!

Everyone Bow Down, right now!!!!

father on December 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM

As long as right after the defacement and denunciation they must wear a cross necklace and down a super-sized BLT, I’m in.

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM

I take that back. Wasn’t thinking of my Jewish friends. Let’s just require the passengers to deface the Koran and denounce Islam, and certify they hadn’t been to a topless club in the last 6 months.

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 6:04 PM

As long as right after the defacement and denunciation they must wear a cross necklace and down a super-sized BLT, I’m in.

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM

MMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Bacon.
I’m in.

uncivilized on December 28, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Seriously, I know Virginia and that ain’t mouthwash….or perfume….though she does smell like that most of the time.

TBinSTL on December 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Well, maybe she’s one of Tiger Woods’ super-cougars. -_*

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 6:11 PM

I take that back. Wasn’t thinking of my Jewish friends. Let’s just require the passengers to deface the Koran and denounce Islam, and certify they hadn’t been to a topless club in the last 6 months.

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 6:04 PM

That wouldn’t work either. If history’s any guide, seems these guys prefer to get a head start on hedonism and hit the ti**y bars before giving themselves to Allah.

hot-heir on December 28, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Regarding the oft-stated preference for the official “profiling” of Muslim-looking muslims at airports, even the much-admired Israeli security services don’t depend on physical profiling alone.

I am not a dark skinned male nor am I Muslim nor do I look like a dark skinned Muslim or male, but I can tell you that about ten years ago El Al pulled this lily-white female out of line & gave me the intensive luggage search & deadly-serious third degree interrogation. And they were right to be suspicious: I was a single female of dating age (read: young enough to be romantically naive & therefore vulnerable) who could have been used as an unwitting even a witting mule by a dark skinned Muslim male.

It may surprise people who gripe about the inanity of TSA searching grannies & babies, but the Israelis do it too. And thank heavens they do! They’re not stupid enough to think that islsmofacistic maniacs only come in one flavor (think John Lindh) or aren’t smart enough to load up blonde-headed toddlers, senile grannies or whitebread suburban girls with explosives.

leilani on December 28, 2009 at 6:19 PM

The simplest, and most effective thing to do would be profile … you know, use some common sense?

darwin on December 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Profiling really wouldn’t work.

Islam isn’t an ethnic group … you can’t really tell whether somebody is a Muslim by looking at them. Many Chinese Muslims look like any other Chinese person. This Abdulmutallab guy is a black African from a country that is mostly Christian and animist … his appearance bears no resemblance at all to an Arab or Pakistani. And not all Arabs and Pakistanis are admirers of Islam. Richard Reid likewise doesn’t resemble an Arab or Pakistani.

Also, if these people can’t blow-up airliners they’ll just transfer their death fixation to trains and buses instead. Are you going to profile every train and bus passenger and protect every bridge and tunnel?

YiZhangZhe on December 28, 2009 at 6:37 PM

The simplest, and most effective thing to do would be profile … you know, use some common sense?

darwin on December 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM

They were profiling, only this terrorist wasn’t holding a Gadsen flag and an American flag and asking about all the unlawful spending the government is doing. Didn’t fit J-Nap’s profile of a terrorist.

NTWR on December 28, 2009 at 6:42 PM

A possibility on the video guy. Was he filming or watching?

OldEnglish on December 28, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Janet Incompetano.

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 6:51 PM

I wonder if that guy with the camera was transmitting the image.

Ronnie on December 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Regarding the oft-stated preference for the official “profiling” of Muslim-looking muslims at airports, even the much-admired Israeli security services don’t depend on physical profiling alone.

I am not a dark skinned male nor am I Muslim nor do I look like a dark skinned Muslim or male, but I can tell you that about ten years ago El Al pulled this lily-white female out of line & gave me the intensive luggage search & deadly-serious third degree interrogation. And they were right to be suspicious: I was a single female of dating age (read: young enough to be romantically naive & therefore vulnerable) who could have been used as an unwitting even a witting mule by a dark skinned Muslim male.

It may surprise people who gripe about the inanity of TSA searching grannies & babies, but the Israelis do it too. And thank heavens they do! They’re not stupid enough to think that islsmofacistic maniacs only come in one flavor (think John Lindh) or aren’t smart enough to load up blonde-headed toddlers, senile grannies or whitebread suburban girls with explosives.

leilani on December 28, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Nice.

I agree.

But it’s the satire and train of thought behind it.

Israel is unique. They are tiny geographically. Powerful people are at higher risk, emphasis on the rich and powerful – hey, more power to them. Let bombs go off in the USA, on capital hill, regularly, in Hollywood, regularly, in Bethesda regularly, in Midtown Manhattan, regularly, on Marthas Vineyard, regularly…

And then we will move to function like Israel.

We are not there yet, we are still politically correct. Like children.

But right these guys dont really give a sh*t about Islam when they load up on Cocaine and Heroin and rape Beslan girls, go to strip clubs and likely drink – but they wash their feet in Canadian bathrooms.

These muslim murderers are legalistic murderers. They’d definitely spit on the koran and denounce islam to kill 280 people.

And yes, they’d use people like little blond girls to get bomb making material on the plane.

But remember that I mentioned the actual killers, not the dumb tools, like children or girls, must prove themselve. For instance by killing real people by beheading.

To prove themselves.

Just like the New Jersey/New York Ice Man. He’s in prison now, but the Ice Man was recruited into killing by killing first and innocent man walking his dog.

father on December 28, 2009 at 7:06 PM

They know that only Muslims want to kill them. How many planes were bombed or even attempted to be bombed by non-Muslims in the last 10 years.

royzer on December 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Yeah, and if I see a Muslim in a restaurant, I immediately get up and run cause, cause, they’re bad, and scary, all of them, just like those black and latino gang-bangers. You know what, we should just segregate society, race, religion, all of that. That would be cool. And if other people try to stop it, we can just secede. Yeah!

Narutoboy on December 28, 2009 at 7:22 PM

royzer on December 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Yeah, and if I see a Muslim in a restaurant, I immediately get up and run cause, cause, they’re bad, and scary, all of them, just like those black and latino gang thugs. You know what, we should just segregate society, race, religion, all of that. That would be cool. And if other people try to stop it, we can just sece.de. Yeah!

Narutoboy on December 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM

12/25 was a inside job.

That underware is made in China by a US company that also invests heavily in a bank that has Billions of dollars in Fanny Mae and to avoid bad PR of the release of unlimited coverage that Fanny and Freddy just got this inside job has be made. Some unnamed czar had the company use some of it own underware product to cover the package. Do your research. There was no plane, what about the phone calls, what about the passport, Building 7…opps wrong inside job but 12/25 was one too.

Oh and by the way /sarc

tjexcite on December 28, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Just like the New Jersey/New York Ice Man. He’s in prison now, but the Ice Man was recruited into killing by killing first and innocent man walking his dog.

father on December 28, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I think the Ice Man croaked a couple of years ago.

IrishEi on December 28, 2009 at 7:29 PM

leilani on December 28, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Very cool response, I was however being rather too blunt. I should’ve expressed more properly the way that the Israelis know who to question and who to leave alone.

Yeah, and if I see a Muslim in a restaurant, I immediately get up and run cause, cause, they’re bad, and scary, all of them, just like those black and latino gang thugs. You know what, we should just segregate society, race, religion, all of that. That would be cool. And if other people try to stop it, we can just sece.de. Yeah!

Narutoboy on December 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM

well, you’re just being silly.

royzer on December 28, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Give every passenger a tazer and their own padlocked diaper. Then there will be no need to go to the rest room.

Problem solved. You people get tripped up over the simplest things. Sheeesh. I am already on to the next problem.

Geochelone on December 28, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Foxnews is grilling O-scumbag. Charles Krauthammer and the Oreilly substitute, Colter is coming up soon.

father on December 28, 2009 at 8:14 PM

“How big of a cell was on this flight, exactly?”

I assume the on-flight portion of the cell consisted of a single individual. Even AQ has a limited supply of splodydopes. When only one person is needed to detonate an IED in flight, why assign loiterers, rather than strapping them up as well, and sending them on separate airliners?

clark smith on December 29, 2009 at 2:21 AM

The Haskells were just on Fox & Friends and clarified this story a bit more. Bomb sniffing dogs checked everyone’s carry-on hand luggage. An Indian man described as being in his 30s (not the same Indian man who was seen in Amsterdam) was handcuffed and taken away.

Buy Danish on December 29, 2009 at 7:50 AM

Why video the flight when presumably it will be blown to bits, unless it was a trial run and the thing wasn’t supposed to really work. This could become a training video for aq. Everything else seemed to work just fine up to that point.

Kissmygrits on December 29, 2009 at 9:17 AM

I assume the on-flight portion of the cell consisted of a single individual. Even AQ has a limited supply of splodydopes. When only one person is needed to detonate an IED in flight, why assign loiterers, rather than strapping them up as well, and sending them on separate airliners?

clark smith on December 29, 2009 at 2:21 AM

Perhaps as a monitor, to make sure the splodydope actually follows through?

You know many of these jacka–es are just as prone to Sudden Chicken-out Syndrome as they are to Sudden Jihad Syndrome!

RD on December 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM

But right these guys dont really give a sh*t about Islam when they load up on Cocaine and Heroin and rape Beslan girls, go to strip clubs and likely drink – but they wash their feet in Canadian bathrooms.

Wrong. They do care about Islam when they are doing all of these things. Islam permits them to do all of these things in order to blend in. If they do them and then die in a jihad attack, they are still going straight to Paradise.

These muslim murderers are legalistic murderers. They’d definitely spit on the koran and denounce islam to kill 280 people.

father on December 28, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Agree except for the spitting on the Koran – that becomes more problematic, though can still probably be ‘justified’ by their clerics.

What can’t be justified is them eating pork products, and having pork coursing through digestive systems during the next 24 hours, when they die in a jihad attack. If the explanation I’ve seen is correct, then if any part of them is touching pork at the moment of death, they are magically re-vectored from Paradise to some other hell-hole for all eternity…no 72 virgins.

So: Of all ideas for a new entrepeneurial airline, the feed-passengers-the-pork idea is by far the best IMHO.

A BLT does sound yummy, but for faster boarding at the gate, even bacon strips or little mini-wieners on toothpicks (off of a serving tray) would do the trick. :-)

RD on December 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM

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