Audio: JetBlue announces dopey new TSA regulations

posted at 8:24 pm on December 28, 2009 by Allahpundit

No TV allowed or else it might … drown out the sound of a guy using a syringe, maybe? I don’t get it. Neither does Jeffrey Goldberg:

Next item: “Passengers must remain seated for the final hour before landing. During that time, they may not have access to their carry-on baggage or hold personal items on their laps.” But what about their underwear? Can they have access to their underwear, which is where our latest would-be Muslim martyr apparently hid his bomb? And why can’t we have access to our laptops, if they’ve already been screened?

By the way, these rules, the Washington Post says, are in effect only until December 30th. In January, you see, the jihad is over.

Hitchens is a little hazy too:

In my boyhood, there were signs on English buses that declared, in bold letters, “No Spitting.” At a tender age, I was able to work out that most people don’t need to be told this, while those who do feel a desire to expectorate on public transport will require more discouragement than a mere sign. But I’d be wasting my time pointing this out to our majestic and sleepless protectors, who now boldly propose to prevent airline passengers from getting out of their seats for the last hour of any flight. Abdulmutallab made his bid in the last hour of his flight, after all. Yes, that ought to do it. It’s also incredibly, nay, almost diabolically clever of our guardians to let it be known what the precise time limit will be. Oh, and by the way, any passenger courageous or resourceful enough to stand up and fight back will also have broken the brave new law…

It was reported over the weekend that in the aftermath of the Detroit fiasco, no official decision was made about whether to raise the designated “threat level” from orange. Orange! Could this possibly be because it would be panicky and ridiculous to change it to red and really, really absurd to lower it to yellow? But isn’t it just as preposterous (and revealing), immediately after a known Muslim extremist has waltzed through every flimsy barrier, to leave it just where it was the day before?

ABC has pics of the Crotch Bomber’s explosive undies, which, as near as I can tell, wouldn’t have been caught or neutralized by any of the new security measures now in place. One thing that might have caught them is a whole-body imager, which the House is actually trying to ban right now for routine passenger screening due to privacy concerns. How invasive is the technology really? Danger Room breaks it down:

“Facial features” (and, presumably, other body parts) “are blurred when our officers see the images,” the TSA insists. Nor will the agency “keep, store or transmit images. Once deleted, they are gone forever…. For additional privacy, the officer viewing the image is in a separate room and will never see the passenger, and the officer attending to the passenger will never see the image.”…

“Yes, there is some brief violation of privacy with a full-body scan,” Rep. Peter King, the top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, told Face the Nation. “But on the other hand, if we can save thousands of lives, to me, we have to make that decision, and we have to come down on the side of saving thousands of lives.”

But that logic makes about as much sense as the TSA’s new rules forcing passengers to stay in their seats for the last hour of a flight, says security guru Bruce Schneier. “It’s the same magical thinking we’re used to getting from the TSA,” he tells Danger Room. “Descend on what the terrorists happened to do last time, and we’ll all be safe. As if they won’t think of something else.”

Yeah, they’ll think of something else, but how does that justify not doing anything about something they’ve already thought of? It’s like arguing that we don’t need metal detectors because jihadis have already thought of smuggling guns and knives onto planes and have moved on to ever more clever and nefarious schemes. Cover the points where you’re exposed and then try to anticipate their next move. They’re not all geniuses, you know: This nut, like the 9/11 hijackers, flew under his real name and was stupid enough to buy a one-way ticket and check no baggage. It’s just that we were … a little more stupid.

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It was reported over the weekend that in the aftermath of the Detroit fiasco, no official decision was made about whether to raise the designated “threat level” from orange.

This explains the pumpkin colored dress that the beautifull FLOTUS was wearing on the other thread.

farright on December 28, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Brilliant new regs.

The jihadist’s goal is to blow up a plane full of people. So instead of accomplishing his goal in the last hour of his international flight, he’ll do it in the last two hours.

Bunch of idiots in the federal government. This is like declaring that everyone has to stay in doors at 12:30 pm because a murderer recently killed someone at 12:30 pm.

amerpundit on December 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM

You know how they get cigarettes into prison Allah?

BKeyser on December 28, 2009 at 8:32 PM

I heard a lot of talk today about having to put up the blanket and pillow a hour before landing because he used a blanket and pillow. Who was the talk show host who said if they are going to treat passengers like babies, the last hour there should be a sing-a-long led by the airline captain “If you’re happy and you know it, clap your hands (clap-clap), If you’re happy and you know it clap your hands (clap-clap)…”

Marcus on December 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Oh, and the Jet Blue pilot deserves a raise just for mocking the new regulations.

amerpundit on December 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Oh, I remember – Mark Styne (of course)

Marcus on December 28, 2009 at 8:35 PM

As an Israeli friend of mine (El Al security) from my airline industry days told me once, “America does not have an aviation security system, you have a passenger annoyance system.”

I guess the “logic” (if you can apply that term to TSA thinking) is that if we make travel sufficiently annoying the terrorists will just stay home.

And now that they have made air travel even more difficult and annoying you can bet that they will swing their attention to other modes of travel no matter how unsuitable the are for terrorism.

Kab

johnsteele on December 28, 2009 at 8:35 PM

As an Israeli friend of mine (El Al security) from my airline industry days told me once, “America does not have an aviation security system, you have a passenger annoyance system.”

I guess the “logic” (if you can apply that term to TSA thinking) is that if we make travel sufficiently annoying the terrorists will just stay home.

And now that they have made air travel even more difficult and annoying you can bet that they will swing their attention to other modes of travel no matter how unsuitable the are for terrorism.

Kabuki.

johnsteele on December 28, 2009 at 8:35 PM

This nut, like the 9/11 hijackers, flew under his real name and was stupid enough to buy a one-way ticket and check no baggage.

A one-way ticket without a passport plus travelling on an international flight without luggage.

Oh, no – that’s not the least bit suspicious.

tru2tx on December 28, 2009 at 8:37 PM

There is no level of stupidity that cannot be achieved by a bureaucracy. Let’s have them provide our healthcare, too.

mchristian on December 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM

He said reading material is ok, soooo I guess now they’ll try a book bomb.

This must’ve been an international flight ’cause I haven’t had to make any announcements like this one on SWA (domestic only).

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM

OMG…………that sounds like my kid on that flight.

****major face palm****

Knucklehead on December 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM

How long before all passengers are required to be restrained in straight jackets prior to seating?

JetBoy on December 28, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Jet Blue was the carrier. Doesn’t say whether it was domestic or international.

amerpundit on December 28, 2009 at 8:40 PM

This must’ve been an international flight ’cause I haven’t had to make any announcements like this one on SWA (domestic only).

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM

I was going to ask…What if the flight is less than an hour, such as NYC to Washington DC? Can’t move at all?

JetBoy on December 28, 2009 at 8:41 PM

amerpundit on December 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM

I’m with you. I don’t know what idjits in the government dreamed up these new “safety” regulations, but they clearly have far less imagination than the jihadists. Just more idiotic knee-jerk reaction, closing the proverbial barn door…

ProfessorMiao on December 28, 2009 at 8:42 PM

A government that cannot keep an islamic terrorist with fancy undergarments off of one of our airplanes overreacts by making everyone sit still like a bunch of kindergardeners that have been naughty. And what exactly do you think that each and every person on that thin, pressurized aluminum tube five miles above the Earth’s surface traveling at 600 miles per hour?

Precisely what the terrorists want them to be thinking – that might be a split second from a horrible death.

How about this. We let everyone watch TV and listen to XM radio all they want and we get the government to hire some experts from Israel to teach us how to find the terrorists.

They seem to be a lot better at it than we are.

turfmann on December 28, 2009 at 8:43 PM

So what if your flight is less than an hour long. I guess no bathroom breaks for you. These rules are stupid. It’s not like the terrorist will know that new rules came out and adjust accordingly.

Brat4life on December 28, 2009 at 8:45 PM

What if the flight is less than an hour, such as NYC to Washington DC? Can’t move at all? – Jet

Dude, they won’t even stay seated during code 4 turbulance!

What if ya got a kid who says ‘No, I don’t hafta pee’ when you still have a chance but then during the ‘sterile zone’ all of a sudden the Sprite he drank hits him?

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Brilliant new regs.

The jihadist’s goal is to blow up a plane full of people. So instead of accomplishing his goal in the last hour of his international flight, he’ll do it in the last two hours.

Bunch of idiots in the federal government. This is like declaring that everyone has to stay in doors at 12:30 pm because a murderer recently killed someone at 12:30 pm.

amerpundit on December 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Wait till they run health care!

Tim Burton on December 28, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Given that screening processes will be requiring more machines and better technology, could Obama claim the jihadi’s are contributing to the “jobs saved or created” program?

Rovin on December 28, 2009 at 8:47 PM

… and we get the government to hire some experts from Israel to teach us how to find the terrorists. They seem to be a lot better at it than we are. – Turf

I agree, but it’s alot easier to do that in a country the size of Delaware.

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 8:49 PM

From now on, EVERYONE in the plane is going to be jumping up and gathering all their stuff together for fifteen minutes before they enter the “sterile period”. Who is going to be able to notice if one or two people behave suspiciously while everyone is preparing for the “sterile period”? Doesn’t that seem to be the perfect time for the bad guys to act?

There’s gotta be a joke about “sterile period” out there, but I can’t figure it out.

Stegall Tx on December 28, 2009 at 8:49 PM

New Rule #1: PROFILE!!!
New Rule #2: Don’t let a guy fly if he’s on a terror watch list and his father warns us that he’s a terrorist.

RightWinged on December 28, 2009 at 8:49 PM

I read that part of the TSA strategy is that the regulations and rules are going to be different from airport to airport and even within airlines. Some people the day after could not have carry-ons at all. Some could not have in-flight entertainment (like here). See how we’re going to thwart those terrorists?

Marcus on December 28, 2009 at 8:51 PM

There will be some exemptions. Muslims who need a place to pray, Muslims who are humiliated by this procedure and Muslims who just would rather not abide by them.

BL@KBIRD on December 28, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Can’t move at all?

JetBoy on December 28, 2009 at 8:41 PM

…and you’ll like it Mister!

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 8:52 PM

This is the way the government solves problems – by punishing the innocent and well behaved.

I’ll tell you what would cure this – it would be cured by giving all captured terrorists the old English punishment for treason.

Hung by the neck – but not until dead.

Drawn by horses.

Castrated, disemboweled … with entrails burned before the terrorist’s eyes.

Then, after suffering has been milked to the maximum possible extent … beheading.

It would only take one or two folks …

HondaV65 on December 28, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Flight Attendant: “Sir, this is the sterile zone, you have to go sit down.”

Achmed: “I KEEL YOU!” “I SUE YOU!”

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Jet Blue was the carrier. Doesn’t say whether it was domestic or international.

amerpundit on December 28, 2009 at 8:40 PM

It’s domestic, to Orlando, cause my kid is there right now and I’m positive that’s him reading the script.

Knucklehead on December 28, 2009 at 8:55 PM

There’s gotta be a joke about “sterile period” out there, but I can’t figure it out.

Stegall Tx on December 28, 2009 at 8:49 PM

“It was supposed to be a bountiful Christmas, but grandma got fined $5,000 for violating her sterile period.

Rovin on December 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM

I was recently at a meeting at the university where I work… some outside contractors were being given the rules of being on our campus… they were informed about our no tolerance gun policy… “you know, especially after the Virginia Tech incident” they were told… to which I added, “yeah, cause if that guy had known that rule, the whole thing could have been averted.”

The room broke out in giggles (the contractors, not the university staff).

Such is the ignorance of leftists. They pass laws preventing the rest of us from either acting normally or even defending ourselves expecting criminals/jihadists to obey.

mankai on December 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

HondaV65 on December 28, 2009 at 8:54 PM

They did that to William Wallace and all it did was galvanize the Scots. What we should be doing is what Gen. Pershing did to the islamic terrorists in the P.I.

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

I’m fed up with this crap. I have to travel to Asia frequently — a 15 hour flight — and I’m pissed that I can’t carry on a damn bottle of water, even if I buy it in the airport “sterile” zone. I’m pissed that I have to undress going through security — shoes, belt, pockets, laptop out. Every time, I silently thank our muslim friends for making the world a little worse than it could be if some virgin-seeking lunatics weren’t intent on blowing airplanes out of the sky to prove a point. Now I won’t be allowed to get up an hour before the plane lands, for whatever good that is supposed to achieve.

I’m also royally pissed that the TSA steadfastly refuses to distinguish between obvious “likelies” and families on vacation, believing there is some bizarre virtue in not paying special attention to the people who are most likely to do harm.

While I understand the “civil rights” problems, I would nevertheless heartily endorse a move to establish muslim-only flights so the civilized world can fly in peace.

Cicero43 on December 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM

I’m beginning to wonder whether it was an underpants bomb that took out the Air France plane out of Brazil earlier in the year.

OxyCon on December 28, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Dude, they won’t even stay seated during code 4 turbulance!

What if ya got a kid who says ‘No, I don’t hafta pee’ when you still have a chance but then during the ’sterile zone’ all of a sudden the Sprite he drank hits him?

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 8:46 PM

ha, I can imagine the stories you can tell…I fly twice a year, and every flight has it’s knuckleheads. That’s why my vacation flight I always go first class, so at least I’m away from it.

…and you’ll like it Mister!

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Only if there’s a drink in my hand.

JetBoy on December 28, 2009 at 9:03 PM

I agree, but it’s alot easier to do that in a country the size of Delaware.

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 8:49 PM

No doubt. But what if everyone in the other 49 states had pledged to wipe it off the face of the earth and Maryland had been lobbing rockets at Dover for the last few years and people from Virginia had made blowing up transit busses a weekend hobby?

Methinks they would have a certain clarity of mind as to their situation.

Something that our “leaders” (and I use that term very, very loosely) lack entirely.

However, if we were serious about putting a monkey wrench in their gears there are ample people outside of government that could be trained by experts such as our friends in Israel that would reverse this scenario, as mentioned above, of passenger inconvenience instead of terrorism elimination.

turfmann on December 28, 2009 at 9:03 PM

It’s domestic, to Orlando, cause my kid is there right now and I’m positive that’s him reading the script. – Knucklehead

Call him and let him know he’s famous!

This is odd, I just worked Fri-Sat-Sun and there were no new security procedures … if there were, I would’ve been the one announcing it.

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Only if there’s a drink in my hand.

JetBoy on December 28, 2009 at 9:03 PM

I’m looking into a jacket with a built in hydration bladder.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 9:05 PM

New solution: Everyone flies naked.

amerpundit on December 28, 2009 at 9:05 PM

But what if everyone in the other 49 states had pledged to wipe it off the face of the earth and Maryland had been lobbing rockets at Dover for the last few years and people from Virginia had made blowing up transit busses a weekend hobby? – Turf

Excellent analogy!

Methinks this is what will happen if DE votes Republican in 2012! haha

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 9:07 PM

American Power tracked-back with, ‘Northwest 253 Bomb Attempt Explodes Safety Vulnerabilities at TSA’.

Donald Douglas on December 28, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Barndoor.
Closed.


Perhaps we should look into stasis technology, like they used in the original Planet Of The Apes?

Taylor!!

juanito on December 28, 2009 at 9:09 PM

The Archie Bunker solution: arm your passengers.

Hey, they laughed at him… but it doesn’t sound like a bad idea.

mankai on December 28, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Call him and let him know he’s famous!

This is odd, I just worked Fri-Sat-Sun and there were no new security procedures … if there were, I would’ve been the one announcing it.

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 9:04 PM

He came in on Christmas night, was off for two and returned to work this morning. And he will crap his pants when I send this to him.

And you didn’t get to read it because your airline says “feel free to move about the country” LOL

Knucklehead on December 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM

These people would probably go crocodile hunting in the Himalayas.

MB4 on December 28, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Yeah, they’ll think of something else, but how does that justify not doing anything about something they’ve already thought of? It’s like arguing that we don’t need metal detectors because jihadis have already thought of smuggling guns and knives onto planes and have moved on to ever more clever and nefarious schemes. Cover the points where you’re exposed and then try to anticipate their next move. They’re not all geniuses, you know: This nut, like the 9/11 hijackers, flew under his real name and was stupid enough to buy a one-way ticket and check no baggage. It’s just that we were … a little more stupid.

No, screening for weapons only is stupid.

We need to do what the Israelis do and screen for terrorists.

fossten on December 28, 2009 at 9:11 PM

I would nevertheless heartily endorse a move to establish muslim-only flights so the civilized world can fly in peace. – Cicero43

I’d be calling in sick if I had to work THAT flight! Imagine a plane full of jihadis! No life-loving infidels to thwart their attack!

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Funny quote

“Janet Napolitano, could not lead Tiger Woods to a free weekend at the Mustang Ranch”

Former TSA worker on Hannity tonight, thought it was quite good myself.

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM

There’s gotta be a joke about “sterile period” out there, but I can’t figure it out.

Well, it’s for sure the Crispy Crotch bomber will be experiencing a long sterile period after his Yuletide gig.

Intrepid on December 28, 2009 at 9:13 PM

This nut, like the 9/11 hijackers, flew under his real name and was stupid enough to buy a one-way ticket and check no baggage.

Since none of those seemed to result in his being deterred by “security” in the least, maybe it wasn’t so stupid. He may just figured, why bother.

MB4 on December 28, 2009 at 9:15 PM

As Mark Steyn said today…we’re allowing the muslim terrorists to make us accept their terms.

Smart power is so…uh…dumb.

SouthernGent on December 28, 2009 at 9:17 PM

… your airline says “feel free to move about the country” LOL – Knucklehead

I there was a terrorist on my plane I’d LOVE to get on the mic and say “You’re now free to kick the shiite outta the terrorist” :-)

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 9:17 PM

sorry, IF ^

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Can’t have anything in your laps.

How about your hands? Or do those have to be up in the air?

TinMan13 on December 28, 2009 at 9:18 PM

BREAKING BREAKING BREAKING!!!

Janet Napolitano announces that starting tomorrow all airline passengers will upon boarding be required to place their air mask on and will be given enough inhalation gas to keep them unconscious for the duration of the flight.

MB4 on December 28, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Take a lesson from the Israelis. They don’t look for weapons… they look for terrorists.

JohnGalt23 on December 28, 2009 at 9:23 PM

How long before all passengers are required to be restrained in straight jackets prior to seating?

JetBoy on December 28, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Not long, and it won’t be long before the pilots will also be required to wear them. They’ll have to navigate and land using their teeth.

anXdem on December 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM

I just read (in a comment section) that one one flight yesterday that passengers were not permitted to raise the window shades the entire flight. I didn’t believe it but after reading accounts of taking screaming babies/toddlers from the arms of mothers to pat them down, I do now.

Marcus on December 28, 2009 at 9:27 PM

turfmann on December 28, 2009 at 8:43 PM

I’m starting to think the insane are running the asylum.

seesalrun on December 28, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Why not require that all planes pull a glider behind [by about 1000 meters] them? All Muslims would be seated in the glider on prayer rugs with an airline furnished koran along with the appropriate islamic in-flight meal.

MB4 on December 28, 2009 at 9:31 PM

As Mark Steyn said today…we’re allowing the muslim terrorists to make us accept their terms.

Smart power is so…uh…dumb.

SouthernGent on December 28, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Exactly. There’s nothing smart about allowing Muslim terrorists to run the show. Millions of regular Americans routinely are inconvenienced and even have their privacy violated, but heaven forbid we actually profile Muslim terrorists.

anXdem on December 28, 2009 at 9:31 PM

and for all you jihads out there, we Americans are looking for you, hard and deadly yup on the flight and maybe following you out the door.

seesalrun on December 28, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Classic quasi-communist response to a problem! Shut down all personal movement and freedoms! Instead of fixing the up front REAL issue of giving a poster child for jihad a visa, or ignoring a father’s warnings that his son is an idiot terrorist, they take away the last vestiges of free movement on the planes! My God, who the blankety blank will want to fly in a sterile zone! What complete idiots we have running the government. Bunch of zero mentalities with the complete inability to solve a problem directly, no less with imagination. Good cheese whiz.

moyeti on December 28, 2009 at 9:33 PM

It ain’t just Jet Blue, Allah!

United is adopting the same goofball procedures as well.

pilamaye on December 28, 2009 at 9:35 PM

I’m starting to think the insane are running the asylum.

seesalrun on December 28, 2009 at 9:30 PM

It was so much pleasanter before when we weren’t ruled by blind mice and hallucinogenic toads.

Cheshire Cat on December 28, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Soon all airline passengers will be mad. They will have to be or otherwise they wouldn’t fly anymore.

Cheshire Cat on December 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM

The naked scanners would be 1) quicker, 2) much more convenient due to not having to undress, unpack, etc., 3) MUCH MORE RELIABLE AND SAFE, 4) and act as a deterrent.

PLUS – ANYONE WHO DOESN’T WANT TO GO THROUGH, DOESN’T HAVE TO!!! Just like if you don’t want to pay for car insurance, don’t buy a car.

BUT it CANNOT be done, because it makes too much sense.

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM

I’m okay with scanning, but it has been noted that the scanners might not have caught this guy’s thunderwear. Plus we had that guy go after the Saudi prince with the explosive in even deeper cover. Don’t think the scans are sub-dermal.

Profile or lose. It’s that simple. And potentially sympathetic individuals, namely muslims, need to be banned from working at the TSA.

TexasDan on December 28, 2009 at 9:48 PM

What if ya got a kid who says ‘No, I don’t hafta pee’ when you still have a chance but then during the ’sterile zone’ all of a sudden the Sprite he drank hits him?

Tony737 on December 28, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Have him pee on the floor. Seriously. I used the sink on one flight because the only toilet was out of order. Didn’t bother me at all.

Stupid rule; stupid result.

BTW, on many a flight out of Dulles I went through the metal detectors with Bic lighters in my pocket. Not a peep from the metal detector. But they did catch the ones I left in my carry-on/laptop case. On several occasions, I’ve received the “No lighter” lecture while holding another one in my hand, with my hand in my pocket.

Stupid rule? How about the one about how big your toothpaste tube can be? What is it…4oz or 6ozs? Just for kicks, I put 4 tubes of toothpaste in my carry-on. I got to keep all 4 simply because I explained to the TSA crowd that had gathered each one was compliant with the rule. The rule said nothing about how many tubes of toothpaste you could carry, just how big they could be. Score one for the flying public.

Ever go to a smoking lounge in an airport? Everyone there has a lighter. Hmmm….when this all started, you couldn’t carry a lighter through security (6 tons of matches, but narry a lighter), but you could buy one in the news stands/bookstores in the terminal…inside the secure zone.

Duh…Ok Tennessee.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Alright, is this for international flights or all flights? … and the transcript says reading material is NOT OK.

If it’s all flights and includes no reading material, I’m canceling my business trip in January — I can’t do 1 hour with my hands on my knees. We’ll teleconference, screw this.

AZfederalist on December 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM

BUT it CANNOT be done, because it makes too much sense.

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Who dont’ we just make everyone fly nude? It’d be really hard to sneak something onboard, wouldn’t it? And even if someone did, how threatening could an Islamic terrorist be when not wearing clothes?

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Agree w/TXDan. 1) Scanning + 2) profiling + 3) bomb sniffing dogs + 4) secondary searches/delays/banning anyone on a terrorist watch list.

And just to make it fair, to make sure no one group is unfairly singled out for profiling, whoever the last 100 people that succeeded/attempted/were indicted or arrested for blowing up planes will be used as the basis for the profile, to be enhanced by profiles of any group or groups that advocate blowing up planes.

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Does TSA stand for “Totally Stupid A$$’s”?
Take a hint from El Al- they screen (profile) for terrorists, not weapons. How are they doing?
Pretty well last time I checked.

Amendment X on December 28, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Who dont’ we just make everyone fly nude? It’d be really hard to sneak something onboard, wouldn’t it? And even if someone did, how threatening could an Islamic terrorist be when not wearing clothes?

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Bob, we shouldn’t make people fly nude because then no one would because it would be humiliating and it have devastating economic effects. And it’s unnecessary. The full body scan is much more effective than current screenings.

Are you against the scanners? If so, why? The images are never retained, the officer that sees the scan never sees the person, and the officer that sees the person never sees the scan?

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM

I am still waiting for those ‘moderate, passive’ Muslims to show up.

Sporty1946 on December 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM

P.S. to Bob: Making people fly nude would also not protect against breast implant bombs, where the scanner would, so making people fly nude is not only ridiculous, it would be ineffective.

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Michael Chertoff speaking with NRO…

“We can’t let squeamishness get in the way of security,” says Chertoff. “A couple of years ago, we began testing whole-body imagers that give us the ability to see what people are concealing under their clothing while hiding their faces. The ACLU pushed backed, calling the machines a ‘virtual strip search.’ They were treated as a loony imposition on an unsuspecting American public. Then many members of Congress voted this year to prevent us from using this technology except during secondary searches. Now we know that this is exactly the kind of technology that needs to be deployed during primary searches — and we can’t waste any more time.”

Thank the Lord above that he’s gone and Janet’s in charge now. /sarc.

turfmann on December 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM

So is responding in such serious detail to obvious sarcasm.

Sporty1946 on December 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Hey, at least during flights over an hour, we’ll know that we get to live until the last hour! It’s nice knowing when you’re going to die, since they refuse to be put common sense measures in place.

TheBlueSite on December 28, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Maybe instead of flying naked, or going through body scans, or taking off your shoes, or…we the people say screw you.

Why not have a private company fly on its own rules? Why are we even listening to these bozos? Did not the other 100 passengers take care of this one terrorists, Texas style? That is how its done.

Conservative Voice on December 28, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Chertoff was a dumbass who should not have been there any more than Ms. Piggy.

Sporty1946 on December 28, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Uhh, how is shutting off the TV, movies and XM radio supposed prevent terrorism?

agmartin on December 28, 2009 at 10:12 PM

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Really, why are you so quick to give up your freedom? Shoot, why not have all the passengers where electric collars that can only be unlocked when they land, and if they show any sign of hostility fry them? Or, I know, why don’t we have everyone dress in hospital gowns?

Why don’t we do this for trains, cruise ships, etc?

Conservative Voice on December 28, 2009 at 10:14 PM

We have become ridiculous. My fear is, because we are so stupid we may become irrelevant.

FireBlogger on December 28, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Conservative Voice on December 28, 2009 at 10:14 PM
wear, not where…oops

Conservative Voice on December 28, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Conservative Voice on December 28, 2009 at 10:14 PM

I’m not giving up any freedom walking through a body scanner. An electric collar would be giving up freedom, not an anonymous body scanner.

What’s your objection to the body scanner? And before you answer, I have to ask if you’ve ever been to a nude beach. Let me assure you, it ain’t playboy, and whoever serves as the officer that has to watch the scans is NOT going to get any thrills. Have you ever been to an airport or the DMV? Anyway, what exactly is your objection?

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Is there some reason why the airlines themselves have to allow anyone on their planes? As an airline CEO, from a strictly financial standpoint, a potential terrorist bomber on one of my planes represents a possible loss of a several hundred million dollar plane, plus the loss of a highly trained crew, not to mention the hundreds of innocent passengers, and the billions of dollars in lawsuits and bad publicity. Where’s the risk management that big business is so famous for?

Mr. Pickles on December 28, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Where’s the risk management that big business is so famous for?

Mr. Pickles on December 28, 2009 at 10:20 PM

I suspect (ie this is only a guess, anyone who knows differently, feel free to correct me…) but my guess is that they don’t want to face a discrimination lawsuit by doing profiling themselves.

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:25 PM

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Its not about thrills, its the principle. We aren’t cows, to be herded by our masters. Sick of the whole process really.
Its called the CIA and FBI should be given the authority to do their job, and fire everyone of the federal security screeners who can’t think.
Why don’t we have the security for trains? For cruise ships? Just as many lives at stake.
Here is how you solve it. You find bad guys before they even walk into the airport. And if one gets pass basic profiling and FBI work, then you allow the passengers defend themselves.

Conservative Voice on December 28, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Conservative Voice on December 28, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Ok, I see where you are coming from. I agree with common sense solutions, such as empowering the CIA and FBI and spending the 18 million in updating the terrorist watch list system instead of, hmmm, spending it on recovery.org…I also don’t think they are doing it on trains and cruises because terrorists haven’t targeted those vessels yet.

Anyway, good discussion, but I have to get back to work…see ya’.

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Consider the situation Mr. Incredible faced with the Omnidroid in Disney’s The Incredibles: here was a machine that grew smarter with each attack and learned from its previous encounters.

Mr. Incredible’s only solution to this foe’s strength was to trick the Omnidroid into destroying itself, providing the very tools to aid in its demolition.

This is the situation we’re faced with in asymmetric warfare, only *we* are the Omnidroids.

Curtailing commercial air service does little to stop terrorism and achieves their goals (destroying commerce) with little investment on their part.

DarthBrooks on December 28, 2009 at 10:41 PM

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:35 PM

It probably has more to do with the fact that on a train, the terrorists don’t know who is armed and who isn’t…it isn’t as manageable as a plane…where they are guaranteed to not have anyone armed.

Same with the cruise ship, the fact that the passengers can move about, makes it hard to manage.

So you change the plane environment to not be as sterile. The more sterile you make it, the more you can predict the scenario.
And you stay on top of the terrorists who is who, instead of playing pc games…you profile.

Like I said, allow airline companies fly with their own security measures…the private sector will do it cheaper and better, without dumb naked xray machines with a guy behind the screen brain numb from the monotony. Allow passengers to defend themselves. Problem solved.

Conservative Voice on December 28, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Anyway, what exactly is your objection?

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:19 PM

I think if you don’t understand the objection to a faceless agent of the state performing highly invasive and humiliating scans of the law abiding, you’ll probably not get it when it’s explained to you.

JohnTant on December 28, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Hmmm if we play our cards right maybe we could get a stewardess to hold our dinkle while we tinkle.

Yeah, it’s just that idiotic.

- The Cat

MirCat on December 28, 2009 at 11:02 PM

The images are never retained, the officer that sees the scan never sees the person, and the officer that sees the person never sees the scan?

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Quite frankly, I don’t believe the images won’t be retained. Given the way this Administration treats terrorists as a law-enforcement issue, the images would likely need to be retained so as to justify the grounds for a later search when the defense attorney inevitably tries to get the search ruled improper. Also, in order to do that there would have to be a method to match up the scan to the passenger that would stand up under the Court’s scrutiny.

I don’t believe for a moment that the images wouldn’t be retained. I remember that little story being told, what, a little over 10 years ago when the FBI started doing instant background checks for firearms purchases. Yes, we were told the details of the check (which include specific firearms data) would be tossed immediately after the check was complete…then turns out Janet Reno was holding onto all of the paperwork after all. Government doesn’t dispose of information.

JohnTant on December 28, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Airline passengers need to start voting WITH THEIR FEET.

People stop flying, economy starts suffering (even more), then just maybe the powers that be will get off their politically correct asses and START ADDRESSING THE ISSUES.

GarandFan on December 28, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Lets leave aside the serious issues for juuuust a moment.

Are you against the scanners? If so, why? The images are never retained, the officer that sees the scan never sees the person, and the officer that sees the person never sees the scan?

JustTruth101 on December 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM

I’m not against the scanners, I totally agree with them as a better alternative to this nonsense.

BUT in the event full body scanners do go online nationwide someday, I am saving this post for the day when (when, not if) a complete doofus young male geeky TSA agent or computer hacker successfully finds a way to capture, download and post those images online.

I predict 4chan will gleefully post them first, just to tweak someone’s melon. Eventually it will be a Something Awful photoshop contest, followed by a regular FARK “Top 10 body scans” post (with a squirel or two superimposed in the comments).

Not that the images will actually be that bad, those I’ve seen are frankly uninteresting to any but the “too much time on their hands” crowd. But never bet against the bored yet technically inclined juvinile male cohort. A computer clever (note: not smart) teenager, with a can of NOS and an energy bar will win every time with this sort of thing.

/Just saying
/But don’t doubt me. ;)

Irritable Pundit on December 28, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Juvenile… I really need to spell check when tired.

Irritable Pundit on December 28, 2009 at 11:22 PM

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