Dems wave white flag on cap-and-trade
posted at 11:00 am on December 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
When even Dick Durbin (D-IL) says that Senate Democrats have to be “realistic” about their energy policy in light of a struggling economy, it means that Barbara Boxer and John Kerry had better get used to disappointment. Battered by a health-care overhaul debate that will almost certainly return to them next month, some Senate Democrats have warned leadership that they will not support a cap-and-trade bill in this economy (via Geoff A):
Bruised by the health care debate and worried about what 2010 will bring, moderate Senate Democrats are urging the White House to give up now on any effort to pass a cap-and-trade bill next year.
“I am communicating that in every way I know how,” says Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), one of at least half a dozen Democrats who’ve told the White House or their own leaders that it’s time to jettison the centerpiece of their party’s plan to curb global warming. …
“We need to deal with the phenomena of global warming, but I think it’s very difficult in the kind of economic circumstances we have right now,” said Indiana Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh, who called passage of any economy-wide cap and trade “unlikely.” …
“I’d just as soon see that set aside until we work through the economy,” said Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.). “What we don’t want to do is have anything get in the way of working to resolve the problems with the economy.”
“Climate change in an election year has very poor prospects,” added Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.). “I’ve told that to the leadership.”
Of course, Harry Reid knew that when he rescheduled the Boxer-Kerry effort for spring 2010. He didn’t have much choice. After all, he hadn’t passed a health-care bill in any form by Thanksgiving, which meant he needed all of his available floor time for ObamaCare anyway. Anyone watching the economic indicators also realized that Democrats would have to make a “hard pivot” on jobs and the economy at the first of the year if they wanted to have any chance of holding onto Congress in the midterms.
The very last thing the American economy needs is a new set of massive taxes on energy production. Energy costs are multipliers in the distribution chain, and price hikes would cause prices to escalate rapidly on almost every product for sale in the US. We would have runaway inflation at the same time we would have either negative or anemic growth, hardly a combination that wins elections for the party in power. And that doesn’t take into account the regional electoral issues in states that rely on coal for their economies — states like Indiana, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Arkansas, and Ohio, who have Democrats representing them in the Senate … for now.
Cap-and-trade is dead, at least for 2010, unless the Cultural Ministers for Corruption Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid can find more ways to bribe Democratic Senators into committing career suicide. I wouldn’t necessarily dismiss that possibility.









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Bullsh!t.
EPA. Its easier that way, and their hands are clean.
Itchee Dryback on December 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM
The earth is melting but we still have time to dither.
That, or they’re lying.
They’re lying.
artist on December 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Never dismiss the stupidity of our elected officials ….. if you do learn to live with disappointment
Aggie95 on December 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM
They’ve already got control of the individual via Obamacare, they can just let the EPA regulate free enterprise until its crushed or Barry is tossed out of office in 2012
phreshone on December 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM
..let’s see, I think I’ll drink a little cyanide before I commit seppuku. That ought to do it!
VoyskaPVO on December 27, 2009 at 11:07 AM
You mean taxes and government regulations can have negative effects on economic activity? Who would have thunk it.
Howcome on December 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM
But, but, but what about all the “green jobs” that would come from the Oba-Madoff ponzi scheme? I thought Cap-n-Tax was supposed to be our bright, shiny path to economic utopia.
MJBrutus on December 27, 2009 at 11:09 AM
They are willing to save their political lives but damn us to an environmental armageddon.
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CWforFreedom on December 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Beware the head fake.
Itchee Dryback on December 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM is correct.
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locomotivebreath1901 on December 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM
We would have runaway inflation at the same time we would have either negative or anemic growth
Just as planned by the Commander in Thief.
Firmworm on December 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Lindsey Graham: “Y’all can lead on this or even-tully follah.”
Marcus on December 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM
2010, 2011, 2012, 2013… they are in no hurry.
It’s scary that these people are intent on destroying their own country… and even scarier that it’s based on a fairy tale.
mankai on December 27, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Time to get out the checkbook Barry, you got some votes to buy.
conservnut on December 27, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Look at how these Kamikaze Democrats have behaved since The One was elected. They know the size of their majority can’t last, and they’ve had a huge wishlist for decades, dammit. This is their final chance to get what they want, and they’re gonna lose seats anyway, so why not go for broke?
Screw the little people. To hell with the Constitution. Time to hit the afterburners, baby.
OhioCoastie on December 27, 2009 at 11:16 AM
You lie!
I don’t believe a word these corrupt communists say.
The only way to be sure is to oust them from office, try, and jail in Gitmo.
darwin on December 27, 2009 at 11:16 AM
We only have five years or so before the process is irreversible, yet the libs want to delay at least one of those years for…for…for…political purposes?
The world is dying and the demorats are watching it happen so they can win a few elections. Shameful.
Bishop on December 27, 2009 at 11:16 AM
“…unless, of course, you permanently exempt Nebraska from having to pay any carbon emissions taxes, and give us a few hundred million just for kicks, in which case, I’m good to go right now!”
Dopenstrange on December 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Liberalism should be a capital crime…..
adamsmith on December 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM
EPA will giterdun. Sorry for the cowboy lingo, but they are riding rough shod over us. Liberals are like mt lions. They stalk when they’re not in power and then pounce when they get a majority. Maybe it’ll be a long time before the sun, moon and stars line up for them again.
Kissmygrits on December 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM
That’s why the first act of the new GOP house in 2011 needs to be stripping ALL funding authorization from the EPA to enforce any regulations made in 2009-10.
As someone in another thread said, surefire winning GOP strategy for the midterms is to campain on passing the “Repeal all insane legislation of 2009-10 Criminalize bailouts and czars Act”.
wildcat84 on December 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM
We only had ten years to stop “global warming” twenty years ago. Ten years ago we still only had ten years left. Today, we only have ten years to stop this impending doom that doesn’t seem to be cooperating.
darwin on December 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Let’s just dump billions down the volcano erupting in the Philippines. That will do as much good as this Cap and Trade stupidity.
sheriff246 on December 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Why not the enviro-nuts instead?
darwin on December 27, 2009 at 11:20 AM
They’re quoting the same Dems who caved in on health care after receiving some mighty handsome payoffs. They’ll support this one, too, as soon as Mary “quite contrary” Landrieu and others decide on the dollar amount. They know they can receive any amount they ask for in trade for their vote.
yogi41 on December 27, 2009 at 11:21 AM
http://townhall.com/cartoons/cartoonist/MichaelRamirez
You’ll love Ramirez’s latest on Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu.
Marcus on December 27, 2009 at 11:22 AM
“Climate change in an election year has very poor prospects,” added Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.). “I’ve told that to the leadership.”
In other words – the politics of it all trumps the necessity. So why even consider it at all???
Senator Conrad confirms for us the fact that REELECTION is job #1…Not anything to do with the economy, global warming, health care, etc.
“It’s the elections, Stupid!”
GoldenEagle4444 on December 27, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Heh.
the_nile on December 27, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Wow, I’m impressed with all the statements from so called “moderate” democrats dissing Crap and Trade legislation.
Their political butts are on the line and they see an already dead bill as their salvation. Sorry fact is, it will probably work with the people who voted them in.
Like others have said. Who needs Crap and Trade, when you have the EPA?
donh525 on December 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM
There are several problems with this analysis. Among them:
1.Who takes any statements by these recent bribees at their fact value? If they cared about the economy they would not have voted for the Obamacare fraud on the American people. They have no position that cannot be changed for cash.
2. The “hard pivot” Americans will feel this year will be toward regulation. This will be the year of Cass Sustein and Mark Lloyd, the Regulation Czar and the Chief Diveristy Officer in the FTC and a Hugo Chavez fan.
3. The flaming liberals in charge of our government do not have any understanding of what it takes to change the environment into one that will lead to the creation of real private sector jobs. We will get more pork for “green jobs” and there certainly will be growth in government employment. Real American job growth, with real American innovation, I don’t think so.
GaltBlvnAtty on December 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM
As long as they continue to speak in terms of “global warming” when there is no global warming it’s not over…They are merely making a tactical retreat while blizzards rage across the world and record cold temps are evident…I mean, snow in Dallas for Christmas…They don’t have a leg to stand on right now and there is so much blood on the floor after the healthcare debacle that they are probably fearful of starting a civil war…But, its not over!!!! Oh, by the way…Where is Lindsey Graham these days? The man who wanted to reach across the aisle to John Kerry to put together a climate change tax package, I mean rescue package…The world wonders…
Nozzle on December 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I’m quoting you to my Congressman tomorrow!
lovingmyUSA on December 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Liberal fools . . . their tactics are equivalent to kicking the country in the groin with an iron boot then offering everybody reduced prices on ice bags as a sign of reconciliation.
rplat on December 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM
The so-called moderate Democrats have already established what they are. Now it’s just a question of price.
TXUS on December 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM
I don’t believe anything they say publicly, especially Dickie Durbin. They say one thing and do what THEY want. It’s just a way to sneak in laws that help their agenda of redistributing wealth. Their only goal is to have complete control and power.
Hobbes on December 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Said Bayh, surrounded by snow. Perhaps he should deal with that other phenomenon called “realtiy.”
“However, I reserve the right to change my mind should another huge bribe come my way. Just so long as it’s bigger than Landrieu’s.”
“Just like my reelection.”
irishspy on December 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM
What exactly is their plan when they make their “hard pivot” towards jobs and the economy? My instinct tells me Porkulus III, but Obama also wants to portray himself as a deficit hawk(I know, I can’t stop laughing either). How do you juxtapose those two?
Doughboy on December 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM
FIFY. Guess it’s not that urgent after all.
theCork on December 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Well at least they are doing something that comes natural.
ray on December 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM
I agree, but it needs to be completely defunded and all past policies peer reviewed..heh..for validity and the agency needs to be purged of ideologues.
As it stands now, with the help of the environuts, a farmer tilling his field is potentially liable for the dust that is raised. Its now pollution and a health hazard.
This is insanity.
These people are mentally ill people with power.
Itchee Dryback on December 27, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Let ‘em pass Crap and Trade. Go for it Harry! Prove you’ve got the guts (and the taxpayer money). Do it Harry! Don’t read it, just pass it! Barby and Ken don’t want to be disappointed!
GarandFan on December 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Who cares? They have created the health care obscenity that they are trying to reframe into something good for the country. Letting off of Crap and Trade is nothing. Pawn it off on EPA. In the few short days from Christmas Eve until now, we have another crisis. How the hell did that terrorist get on that plane? It’s one crisis after another and the bungling Obama adiministration is at fault. Again. Two terrorist attatcks against the United States in two months.
Where is the State Dept.? Homeland Security is falling all over themselves. We are starting to notice and the failure of our very expensive government is more than noticible all over the world.
BetseyRoss on December 27, 2009 at 11:40 AM
I wonder why the democrats are suddenly so worried about the economy now. They’ve just spent the last 11 months driving it into the ground.
darwin on December 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Hmmm, let’s see: Some risk that is based on questionable theories and controversial projections that have a continuous record of failure, but requires a huge increase in government control is something the Democrats think is necessary for survival. On the other hand, a Social Security system that all projections show is going bankrupt, is already dipping into the red, but the solution for which requires a scaling down of government is considered by Democrats to be a fabrication only promoted by fear-mongers trying to scare the electorate.
I think I’m detecting a pattern here.
Socratease on December 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Another pragmatic way to look at it — The global warming fraud won’t survive the winter.
tarpon on December 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Let’s just dump billions down the volcano erupting in the Philippines. That will do as much good as this Cap and Trade stupidity.
sheriff246 on December 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Why not the enviro-nuts instead?
darwin on December 27, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Hey darwin, They would probably be spit back up!
sheriff246 on December 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
This sounds suspiciously like another “Health care? That monstrosity won’t even get through the house, much less the senate” post from you, Ed.
It’s abundantly clear that Democrats will lie and misdirect as much as they need to in furtherance of their totalitarian agenda.
The “tell” is using comments from such upstanding political thugs as Nelson, Landrieu and Durbin. None of them can be trusted.
A 100% replacement of congress — and a new president — will be necessary to put the enormous Ponzi scheme known as “crap and tax” out of our misery for good. As long as we have the current crop of goons in power, it’s not a matter of if the axe will fall, but when.
MrScribbler on December 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Unfortunately the WH and Obama don’t care and I will bet he will try to FORCE it along with amnesty! Or better yet make it one big bill with both included. He already stated he doesn’t like the way senate gets thing done……don’t put anything past this administration he and the rest of the marxist could careless about the people’s wishes.
xler8bmw on December 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Too late, chumps.
AZCoyote on December 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Because they can’t stuff a bunch of amendments into a random tax increase bill and call it “cap & trade” doesn’t mean they can’t find some existing regulatory “Authority” to smack on new rules to limit what they think of as a planet-destroying industry.
Because they must do something to save their political power over us serfs, er, the planet.
Neo on December 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I can stop the “global warming” stuff in one week. Let’s get all of the southern Baptists and evangelicals to suddenly proclaim that they all got a “vision from the lord” telling them global warming is real and Jesus wants them to fight it now. The frickin’ libtards would drop it like a hot rock.
noblejones on December 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM
The only thing the dems can say about the economy is… they kept it from being worse by spending more.
Oh yeah, they will try it and some will buy it. Sad state of affairs.
donh525 on December 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Hey Messiah, the ball is now in your court. Be like King Canute and hold back the waves and you always claimed you could heal the planet by just stating it was to be.
technopeasant on December 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM
They have an energy policy??? America is standing like a punch drunk boxer waiting on the knockout blow…We have already seen $150/bbl oil…We are merely getting a brief reprieve while the world deals with recession. Instead of putting energy, specifically energy independance, on the front burner like the “manhattan project” of WWII, these idiots are playing politics with the global warming hoax of the century…
It has been reported that China is building a coal fired electrical generating plant every week…They get it. Modern economies require lots of energy and they will not be left behind. We on the other hand are not even in the race.
We need a Gov Palin in Washington who gets it…Lack of an energy policy is a National Security threat…
Nozzle on December 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Exactly! Since the “melons” (ie: green on the outside, red on the inside) worship the Earth as if it were a god (gaia), tell them that the volcano represents her anger at their hypocrisy (or maybe it’s just PMS) and demands the sacrifice of every public environmentalist who lives in mansions and commands fleets of limousines and jets.
Start with Algore. If the “melon” movement were a religion (and it is), and the limousine and jet set environmentalists are the “Televangelists” then Algore is Jim Baker.
wildcat84 on December 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM
At the risk of bringing an avalanche of criticism down on myself, and while I do not approve of cap and trade as it’s just another way to raise money for greedy pols, there are some environmental measures that are good. For example, here in New England acid rain, caused largely by dirty coal burning utilities in the middle west, were slowly killing the sugar maples. These maples are as important to our economy as cheaper power is to the middle west. In recent years these emanations have been reduced and are being reduced further. To me, that’s good enviromental policy and I hope it continues and improves.
jeanie on December 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Unless the republicans are successful in getting a ban passed on the EPA making carbon tax or from regulating co2 emissions, it will not matter what the Congress does. The Obama Administration will have destroyed the US Economy by its fiat regulations all based upon a hoax played by socialists and democraps on world public opinion.
eaglewingz08 on December 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Since the country needs power, but doesn’t need sugar maples, why not have the sugar maple industry subsidize the replacement of coal plants with nuclear?
wildcat84 on December 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Gee, the members of the House who voted for that crap sandwich back in June, must feel all warm and gushy over this development!
So many of them went out on a limb to vote for the bill, and now they have been legislatively de-pantsed by the Senate!
Especially consider the “precious” eight Republicans who jumped ship. Michelle kindly put together that group photo!
Three of them are from my state – New Jersey – and knowing those districts, at least two — and possibly all three of the members — will incur some primary heat over that vote.
Leonard Lance even wrote a lengthy defense of his participation, which was also published as an Op-Ed in the state’s lead daily, the Star-Ledger. He even mentioned the 300 page last second amendment that no one, including himself, had a chance to read before voting!
Here’s betting they all wish they could take a Mulligan on that one, eh?
Note that in her “rogue’s gallery,” the “boss” also included a reminder that the D’s actually pulled Patrick Kennedy out of rehab to cast that vote.
That should have been a signal to any thinking person that
Trochilus on December 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM
As long as we keep electing democrats we’re going to have irrational governance. Cap and trade is beyond stupid but so is the social security debacle and that hasn’t stopped them. AGW is a total hoax but unlike previous hoaxes it’s going to cost us a lot of money.
Mojave Mark on December 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM
“thinking person” — that’s the rub!
Trochilus on December 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM
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I think this is bad analysis. Comrade Obama (PBUH), Princess SanFranNan, and Prince Harry Reid know that they may lose their supermajority in 2010 or in 2012. They will continue to ram through their C**P SANDWICHES regardless of any political damage that occurs.
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C(R)AP and TAX–just let EPA implement it. SHAMNESTY–gitterdone with another 1 AM vote–New Year’s Eve is open. GUNGRAB–just do it after the next Jihadi shooting style attack provides a “Reichstag Fire” excuse.
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If the Messiah squeaks through in the 2012 election he is “golden” to continue trashing the economy and converting the U.S.A. into the new United Socialist States of America.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on December 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Well, here I live in the mid west with coal utilities all around me. Oh yes, I also live in the middle of a woods, primarily sugar maple. They grow so well that I cut them for firewood. I know, I know, heresy.
donh525 on December 27, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Translation-
this is an election year and we’re going to do nothing other than raise taxes so this little nuclear bomb will have to wait.
Besides the EPA is doing a good job of carpet bombing businesses anyway.
jjshaka on December 27, 2009 at 12:15 PM
I’ll believe it when I don’t see it.
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 27, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Next to be banned? Jihadist jockstraps!
donh525 on December 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Interesting side-note on that subject: “Scrubbers” were added to the coal plants to remove the sulfur dioxide which was causing the acid rain. Sulfur dioxide is kind of an anti-greenhouse-gas, and the reduction of acid rain actually led to an increase in the greenhouse effect. Such are the unintended consequences of trying to tweak our atmosphere.
Socratease on December 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Well said! If the environmental movement had not killed nuclear power, we would be exporting power to Canada and Mexico. Can you imagine how these United States would be differant if like France, we were producing our electricity with clean nuclear power…Nuclear “was” the way to get us out of the middle east…As President Bush said, actions have consequences. And, the actions of well meaning environmentalists, their lawyers, and their accomplices in the media and government have set us back fifty years in terms of having a rational, modern, safe energy economy…
Nozzle on December 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Only seiu friendly companies will reap the green (revenue).
Fuquay Steve on December 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Exactly the same rhetoric they used just before passing the “healthcare” bill in the Senate. It’s a hudna — designed to catch adversaries unaware.
unclesmrgol on December 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Never trust a demonrat, they don’t have to pass the cap-n-crap they have the EPA to do that dirty work.
farright on December 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Agreed. Sometimes conservatives tend to lose sight of reality when it collides with their Ayn Rand-style “the earth is here for us to exploit without limits” philosophy.
It’s obvious that there are plenty of harmful side-effects to our reliance on finite resources and imperfect means of transportation/power generation/manufacture. Pollution of various kinds does exist, and if it doesn’t destroy the world as the alarmists claim, it certainly does make life less pleasant.
What we need to do is devise strategies that make people who come up with real solutions rich, instead of fattening pigs like Al Bore who feed off of bogus schemes.
That’s possible, but at present is far less glamorous to the “greens” than hard work, which is what is necessary to improve, not destroy, our way of life.
MrScribbler on December 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Just another case of “look what this hand is doing (Congress / Senate) while the other hand (EPA) works to destroy more of the economy.
Mark Boabaca on December 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Heh heh, that’s old news.
According to Gordon Brown, we only have 50 days to save the planet.
Of course, that was back in October.
Has it been 50 days yet?
mrt721 on December 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Do not profess to understand the science of it, but apparently the acid rain has only minimal effects on the areas that produce it. Sorry, I do not know why. Can anyone explain? New England has become a tourist economy in large part and many livlihoods depend directly or indirectly on the autumn foliage and the sap processing economy. For better or worse, wrong or right, that’s how it is. We need those trees. That aside though, I don’t care where one lives in this country. It’s basic to all of us and future generations that we treat our environment with respect and with carefully thought out measures. A middle ground has to be struck.
jeanie on December 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Sorry, the bomb-throwing eco-fringe is a pack of flat-out liars. You don’t find middle ground with fantasy.
Chris_Balsz on December 27, 2009 at 12:53 PM
A white flag…for now. This is hudna. They will wait until after the midterms, then attack us again with a flurry of statist takeover bills.
PattyJ on December 27, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Would that be the same Gordon Brown who, along with his new best friend, Al Gore, seemed to have a little trouble finding their way to the stage in Copenhagen?
Note the sheepish grin on Brown’s face, once he realizes that he and Gore just got filmed marching into a closet. To me, that indicates perhaps a tiny smidgeon of humility in the old boy.
But watch Gore — he tries to “tough it out” and then flashes his gratuitous “I’m soooooo much smarter than you” grin just as he passes the person holding the camcorder.
Honestly . . . could there possibly be a more pompous jerk alive today?
Trochilus on December 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM
They are too extreme and need to be squashed, they don’t grasp ‘middle ground’as a concept either. Middle ground means exactly what I tried to make it say(failed?)..a compromise between both extremes, theirs and the anything goes point of view.
jeanie on December 27, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Yep, if the 2010 elections go well, we may dodge this bullet. Now, if we can just be as fortunate with the health care takeover…
petefrt on December 27, 2009 at 1:09 PM
jeanie on December 27, 2009 at 1:02 PM
There is an old saying that wealth is lost in the third generation. Meaning, the children of those persons who accumulated wealth through savings, investment and hard work do a poor job of managing their inheritance…And, by the third generation it is usually gone…We are now in the third generation following WWII when the United States was truly the wealthiest nation in the history of the world…We are living off the fruits of earlier generations. Our insane energy relationship with the rest of the world is but one way that we are squandering our inheritance…At the peak of oil prices we were sending 700 billion dollars a year to energy exporters…How long do you think we can do that as a nation and survive economically? While you seek a middle ground and speak dreamily of leaves turning color we are losing our way of life…You have to have money and leisure time to enjoy life as a tourist. What are we to do when our parents money is all gone?
Nozzle on December 27, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Yep, we’ll have to fend off that part in the courts and maybe also impeachment proceedings.
petefrt on December 27, 2009 at 1:24 PM
There is only one reason why Botox Rex The Ketchup King and Barbie “Call Me SENATOR!” Boxer are going to keep pushing for this cap and tax thing, and that is because as members of the Senate, they both know that neither of them will be affected by what this idiotic thing is going to do to the economy, regardless on how much devastation it is going to instill on us Average Joes.
pilamaye on December 27, 2009 at 1:25 PM
I don’t think it’s'dreamy’ of me to want some sensible environmental safeguards, I think it’s eminently practical.
jeanie on December 27, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Maybe it’s the left that’s unyielding, refusing any middle ground. I’m guessing most of us conservatives/libertarians would swing from coal to nuke power, but the lefty zealots reject all the feasible energy sources, staying stuck tight somewhere between windmills and a carbon tax.
petefrt on December 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM
“Global Warming” the scam that lasted 4 decades til we got wise. The Gores of the world gaining profit from it. Disgusting!
faol on December 27, 2009 at 1:48 PM
You’re probably right about that. They do seem to want it their way or no way. I am wondering how such a group of extremists got such power so easily and why no one seemed to notice until the cap and trade debacle. California is kind of a poster child for environmental policies that were once well meaning and necessary and degenerated into ridiculous ideas and proposals. A small group of radicals have given the whole thing a bad name, taste and smell. But, remember that old saying about throwing out the baby with the bath water? It may apply here?
jeanie on December 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM
But they didn’t have to be ‘realistic’ about the health care bill and what *it* will do to the economy, I guess.
Midas on December 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Europe is the really scarey place for so called environmental necessity. Europe has, by far, become one of the scariest places in the world as I see it. They have an agenda that aims to impose their values on the whole world sooner or later. Seems like their populace is helpless with politics having gotten beyond their control on all fronts, not just environmental…but they havn’t realized it yet? Or they like it that way? Obama, for example, raised in a world with these values, cannot see why much of this country is opposed to it. There’s no excuse for the likes of Al Gore. He’s either easily duped or saw from the start the road to riches.
jeanie on December 27, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Actually it’s only been “global warming” for the last 20 or so years. For the first 20 it was “man made global ice age”.
I’m old enough to remember my 2nd grade reader (in 1979) having in it a propaganda story about there being an ice age and we would need gas masks outside by the 1990′s.
I’d imagine they’ve changed it to everything will be a desert and you will need gas masks to go outside by 2020…
That kind of scare crap is in school textbooks everywhere, designed to indoctrinate and scare youths.
wildcat84 on December 27, 2009 at 2:07 PM
There isn’t a “middle ground” between Luddite destruction of American wealth, and its preservation. There’s differing degrees to which we reject the Luddite destruction of our standard of living–but if you don’t phrase it as rejection of that fringe stupidity you’re helping preserve that yahoodom as a “legitimate voice”.
Refusing to build power plants as our population grows is just evil. Pigheaded and done to hurt people.
Chris_Balsz on December 27, 2009 at 2:08 PM
There’s always a middle ground but the thing about it is that few,if any, are ever pleased with it. That’s what may be happening with health care.
jeanie on December 27, 2009 at 2:12 PM
I was under the impression that is was the Dept. of Ecology who be giving us the recommendations for sensible evionmental safeguards? The EPA has been relying on the same kind of scientist who were proponents of global warming. Now that their data collection methods and the manipulation of that recorded data has been clearly compromised, how is it that we are not pressing this agency to come clean as well? Do you trust the people of an agency who are driven by a political ideology instead of reporting the truth? The EPA and the global warmers are all in the same camp. Al Gore has a relationship with the EPA that goes back years and years. The idea of Environmental group started back on 1970 but became a federal agency [EPA] during the Carter administration back in 1977. It started out with all good intentions but as the saying goes so was the road to hell. The EPA is a place that has become the stalwart for regulating everything anything it deems “environmental.” They lost my confidence a long time ago. The rest of the country should have joined me after the EPA determined that CO2 was a pollutant. So I say to you all now, join me and laugh at the EPA as we’ve been laughing at the antics of the global warming movement and Al Gore.
Americannodash on December 27, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Al Gore is not someone I respect or like. Please don’t equate my approval of reasonable environmental practices with an approval of Al Gore. I think he is an opportunist who saw his chance and took it with his own best interests in the forefront.
jeanie on December 27, 2009 at 2:23 PM
I’ll believe it when the Bill is removed from the calendar…
NOT DEAD YET… Don’t fall for the okeydoke!
Khun Joe on December 27, 2009 at 2:27 PM
If it’s bad in this economy, why is it good in any other?
Idiots!
jeffersonschild on December 27, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Do women of ill-repute (as my mother calls them) have some additional ways of communicating that we should know about?
LASue on December 27, 2009 at 2:38 PM
The fact that liberalism is a mental disorder is constantly being reinforced by the continuos lies and deceptions this endless list of incompetent buffoons keep putting out on a daily basis. To sit back and hear one moronic liberal after another express the delusions that clutter their mind is nauseating. Al Gore,Barbara Boxer, Nancy Peloser, Harry Reid and Vann Jones all border on the verge of insanity.
volsense on December 27, 2009 at 2:38 PM
And we know how they never say one thing then do another.
Federal control of energy-related businesses is about as dead as Federal control of finance, auto, and health care related businesses.
It’s time to End the Fed — not the Federal Reserve, the Federal Government.
JDPerren on December 27, 2009 at 2:41 PM
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