Senate passes Reid bill, 60-39
posted at 8:48 am on December 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
This had about as much suspense as Avatar:
The Senate approved sweeping healthcare reform legislation by the narrowest of partisan margins early Christmas Eve morning, placing President Barack Obama just one step away from signing into law a longtime Democratic priority.
Actually, it’s probably at least two steps away. First, the House has to either consider adopting the Senate bill in toto or responding with another version of their own bill that passed a few weeks ago. Even the White House doesn’t consider the first option realistic, which is why they’re resetting expectations about getting a unified bill out of Congress to February and doing the “hard pivot” to jobs and the economy instead.
The 60 to 39 tally split directly along partisan lines, underscoring not only the great divide between Democrats and Republicans but also the deftness with which Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) at long last united his fractious caucus by offering key compromises to centrists but keeping liberals in the fold.
While I understand the need for The Hill and reporter Jeffrey Young to remain objective, and salute that effort, let’s call this what it was. Harry Reid bribed members of his caucus to support the Democrats’ highest priority domestic agenda item. Why? Because it was so radical that not even all of the Democrats could support it until he started using taxpayer money to buy their votes. That’s not “deftness,” it’s crude corruption of the kind that Reid and the Democrats ran against in 2006 and 2008.
This goes back to the House, and then likely back again to the Senate, and perhaps even a stop in a conference committee if Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid can’t avoid it. Meanwhile, the appraisal by voters of this effort will continue to get worse and worse, and this will continue to be an albatross around the neck of Democrats in 2010.
Update: Harry Reid mistakenly voted no initially, and had to change his vote before it closed. It wouldn’t have mattered; this wasn’t a cloture vote, and all Reid needed was 51 votes.
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Which so many Lefties don’t see. They think we who oppose this are somehow evil, that we’re in some dark abyss of ignorance and racism. One day, this will all come back to bite them. But it’ll be too late.
I’m fortunate, being a military veteran. But what about those who aren’t? My children, and others, are going to get so screwed on this. Even liberals, those who might make a decent wage right now, are going to get screwed, too.
While I relish the idea of saying to them “I told you so”, I hope I never have to.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Yes, you’re right. In Canada, they pay a 50% tax rate for their free care, but just a few years ago they also had to co-pay out of their own pockets on top of it.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:17 PM
I hope you get a lump of coal in your stocking.
LibTired on December 24, 2009 at 12:18 PM
QFT.
The only way this thing could be repealed before if goes into power is if we elect a staunch principled libertarian candidate set on actually making government smaller. Then they’ll do an executive order to repeal unconstitutional legislation.
We need to take the opposition to this 0bamacare if it’s near 60% and take advantage of it. I don’t see Congress taking action against it. It will have to be the executive. That’s why we’ll use someone like Rand Paul for President in 2012 to repeal the interventionist health care bill before it’s too late. Palin doesn’t seem like enough of a principled libertarian to trust with reversing this IMO.
The Dean on December 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Isn’t it surprising they got 60? All those who we expected to vote yes to cloture but take cover on the final vote decided to order the crap sandwich, too. Nelson goes yes? Liebermann? After all that was said and done in the run-up, I think that total is surprising.
TexasDan on December 24, 2009 at 12:21 PM
I don’t mind government telling me I can’t drive drunk.
I don’t mind government telling me I can’t smoke pot.
I don’t mind government telling me I can’t strangle a liberal just because he’s a liberal.
But I do mind government telling me I have to buy something that I might not want and/or can’t afford in the first place.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Not to me. I think Bill Clinton said it best. Either pass something or go down as another failed Dem congress.
They are probably right, too, in that respect. Nobody is buying the hoopla. People are NOT stupid, no matter what the far-right or far-left thinks. People do know this bill is crap.
However, Dems are right about one thing. If they can’t pass their signature bill when they have both branches and the presidency? They are toothless.
They had to pass it.
AnninCA on December 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Do what I and millions of Americans will do: simply refuse. An act of civil disobedience. There aren’t enough federal prisons to hold everyone.
pdigaudio on December 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM
They’ll get around that by simply increasing withholding or cutting a Citizen’s tax refund.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM
The medical device tax if implemented is going to crush them right here in burbs of Illinois. I will tell you why.
Schaumburg just imposed it’s first property tax ever and they say it will add 8.1% to our tax bills.And there wasn’t alot of warning about them doing it. And Cook County just reassessed property and folks got hit hard even though property value is down. Schaumburg already has a 12% tax on food at restaurants.
Chicago has (may be had) a 10.25% sales tax but the fight to repeal it has been going on almost from the moment they voted yes. Palatine has threatened to break away from Cook County.
Many of the other burbs are also increasing property tax or sales tax and laying off fire and police staff. And Chicago has had a bunch of unpaid furlough days.
If this medical device tax goes into effect on top of all the above this area will be ripe for the GOP in 2010 and 2012 if the GOP doesn’t get scared. You would have been surprised how few bumper stickers there were for Obama in the burbs in 2008.
Durbin, Bean and Burris are fools.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM
The only person who can legitimately stop this
brownforussenate.com
Ricki on December 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM
He’s like that stupid drunk at the party, who thinks he’s being clever and funny when he puts the lampshade on his head.
And, everyone else are rolling their eyes.
franksalterego on December 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM
No, it’s being treated as willful tax evasion. You have to pay it or else. Make them do the “or else.” You have to have insurance. It’s the law of the land.
pdigaudio on December 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Heh!!!
http://tinyurl.com/y95uqq9
keepinitreal on December 24, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Prison for not having medical insurance: the new welfare!
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:36 PM
A few years ago I read Thomas Sowell’s ‘A Conflict of Visions’. If you haven’t read this book, do so and if you have, I suggest reading it again. Sowell writes about the constrained vs. the unconstrained views and while reading this thoughtful book I realized just how irreconcilable the differences are between people of my ideology and the progressives. I consider myself a fair and reasonable man but my devout beliefs are uncompromising and they are something that I am willing to fight and die for. After the 2008 election, I prayed that people would recognize a mistake was made and undo said mistake in the 2010 mid-term before any real damage could be done by the progressives or “statists”, if you prefer.I’m still hopeful that 2010 can be a historical election for conservatives but my hope is waning daily as I feel November may be too late. The time for talking and compromise and negotiation may be at and end soon. Are you willing to fight and die for your long held, solid as a rock convictions? I hope and pray that it doesn’t come to this, but if it does are you prepared? I know I am.
the_stoics on December 24, 2009 at 12:37 PM
I saw this comment at Politico (by Taro):
I thought the same thing this Christmas Eve morning. I know the vote passed as expected along party lines, what with all the corrupt bribery and all, so that was no surprise. But as the government oozes to take over a full quarter of our nation’s economy, and we unconscionably pass trillions in debt to our progeny, the thought did occur to me that our children and grandchildren may not ever be as financially free as we’ve been in our worst days. Their best days will be burdened with the financial disaster of our worst days.
Never has a generation of Americans left a worse future for their descendants than what they themselves had. That’s makes us the biggest generational losers and most selfish assholes in America’s proud history.
Merry Christmas to America’s future serfs.
Redhead Infidel on December 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Were those your balls I saw hanging on Dear Leader’s Secular Holiday tree? Made of glass and nothing in ‘em but air.
gordo on December 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM
I saw this comment at Politico (by Taro):
I thought the same thing this Christmas Eve morning. I know the vote passed as expected along party lines, what with all the corrupt bribery and all, so that was no surprise. But as the government oozes to take over a full quarter of our nation’s economy, and we unconscionably pass trillions in debt to our progeny, the thought did occur to me that our children and grandchildren may not ever be as financially free as we’ve been in our worst days. Their best days will be burdened with the financial disaster of our worst days.
Never has a generation of Americans left a worse future for their descendants than what they themselves had. That’s makes us the biggest generational losers and most selfish a**holes in America’s proud history.
Merry Christmas to America’s future serfs – our children.
Redhead Infidel on December 24, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Oh yeah, I agree. It’ll be a middle-class uprising.
They’ll think “teaparties” are fringe groups.
Hardly.
AnninCA on December 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM
…And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Ultimately, the Republicans have no one to blame on this but themselves. They knew the agenda of the left for over 40 years and knew health care needed reform, but they chose to do nothing when they were in power. The best offense is an effective defense and if they had a clue, we could have seen tort reform, medicare reform and more free market competition with selling insurance across state lines long before Dems took over the entire government. They couldn’t be bothered because they’d rather do nothing. On that the left is correct — they are the party of no.
The politicians don’t care about us, they only do things that will benefit themselves…all of them. And with the entitlements coming in this monstrosity, America is lost to the socialist party permanently. Goodbye, USA, hello USSA.
Congratulations Democrats.
wordsmithy2009 on December 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM
How come? Are you jealous?
lovingmyUSA on December 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM
I wonder if one of his was the ball with Mao’s picture on it.
No, wait! That ball was too big.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:42 PM
You realize lost in all of this was Obama allowing Interpol to act above the law in America by executive order.Taken one at a time, these thuggish statist tactics may not be comprehended by your average American concerned only with when the new season of American Idol begins. Take all of these fires started to destroy our freedoms and we have real reason to be afraid.
I wrote about it here.
pdigaudio on December 24, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Exactly! Not only is health care free there, so is food, shelter, clothing, education…
ladyingray on December 24, 2009 at 12:43 PM
I don’t even deserve a lump of coal.
:(
DarkCurrent on December 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Back in the day, these clowns would be publically called out for daring to disrepect Christmas Eve with their arrogant showboating.
kingsjester on December 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM
If they were held today absolutely. The problem, as I said, is that November 2010 is an eternity away. For what it is worth the standard loss for the party in power is 20 seats. Pelosi and Reid could care less if they lose their super majorities. The legislation they want will have been passed and it will never, and I repeat, never be overturned. They know that and the few delusional Repubs are about to learn that also.
Amnesty is probably next with some sort of cap and trade to follow. Sadly even if the Repubs pull off a miracle and gain more than 40 seats in the House the same problem exists–the leadership remains incompetent.
patrick neid on December 24, 2009 at 12:45 PM
And I heard the sex there is hot!
lovingmyUSA on December 24, 2009 at 12:45 PM
They’re going to have to take me alive, first. They can’t hurt a man who has little to lose.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM
The only thing Republicans are to blame for is allowing 15 million illegal aliens to come into American and collapse our urban health care systems to the point where this “crisis” could be manufactured by the Democrats to justify what they have wanted to do for decades.
Remember, they wanted nationalized health care back in the 1940s, and the 1950s, and the 1960s, and the 1970s, and the 1980s….when nothing was wrong with our existing system.
The point of this exercise is to make health care a “right.” Republicans will never go along with that. Once health care is a right, our Constitution is essentially shredded and the government can do whatever a majority in Congress want it to do.
rockmom on December 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Amen, Liam.
the_stoics on December 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM
How about a spankin’?
ladyingray on December 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Wonder what Dear leader’s next move is? Ever notice when Rahm Emanuel drinks water, Obama doesn’t talk?
gordo on December 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I thought…surely someone from the so called party of compassion, would show some, on this day, and tomorrow, of all days. Guess I was wrong again. They aren’t anything they profess to be.
capejasmine on December 24, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Ok! :D
DarkCurrent on December 24, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Under the current constitution, that is probably true.
Still, when you adopt a Latin American economic model, you will have Latin American politics.
Chris_Balsz on December 24, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Not true. A future Republican Congres might not be able to repeal the legislation but it can refuse to appropriate the funds to operate it, and as this would be budget legislation they can run it through under reconciliation which requires only 51 votes in the Senate. The states can also refuse to allocate new funds for the expansion of Medicaid or the operation on a health insurance exchange if the Senate bill is the one that passes. A future Republican president with a Republican Congress could declare a fiscal emergency and suspend all of it, and wait until the Supreme Court sorts it out.
Not to mention the extensive entrepreneurial opportunities this will present for smart people to invent a whole new way to pay for health care that is not “insurance” and therefore will not be subject to all the regulations in this legislation.
rockmom on December 24, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Yes, they are! Just ask one of them! /sarc
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Don’t forget the VAT that Bela Pelosi wants to ram through as well as shamnesty for all the illegal aliens to become SEIU members and a solid Democrat voting bloc.
I am as pessimistic as you are. Americans’ short attention span has them focused on when the new season of American Idol begins. Then the Super Bowl! Then all the entertainment awards shows.
There are activists that will stay focused on the important things, but I am still not convinced there are enough of us to change things in 2010 or 2012.
Votes? Obama and the Dems have enough stashed away to carry the day. Think ACORN and SEIU and the stolen elections in the state of Washington in 2004 and Minnesota in 2008.
We are now officially a third world banana republic.
pdigaudio on December 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Don’t tell AsianGirl…you know how she gets! ;)
ladyingray on December 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Sorry if someone posted this before, but here’s Dingy Harry’s quote:
“We’re going to hear an earful, but it’s going to be an earful of wonderment and happiness that people waited for for a long time.”
VanPalin on December 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Not bad ideas there! A smart doctor might become his own insurer, taking patients on consignment, as it were. A patient could pay a doctor a monthly fee or premium that is put into an account so that when the patient sees the doctor, the fee is deducted from the account.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM
I’m guessing there are plenty of reasonable people who work at the CBO. Reasonable people who know how to use a calculator and know more about this health care bill and economics than everyone on this board combined.
It’s funny, you guys will trumpet CBO findings when they’ll bad for democrats and dismiss them when they’re good for democrats.
Tom_Shipley on December 24, 2009 at 12:55 PM
we’re there…we’ve been there for a while…
right4life on December 24, 2009 at 12:56 PM
And no, that’s not from the Onion.
VanPalin on December 24, 2009 at 12:56 PM
remember, medicare was only going to cost 9 billion by 1990!!!!
the only government program that is under budget is Bush’s prescription drug program…because it relies on free enterprise…ironic, isn’t it?
right4life on December 24, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Harry Reid:
Signing out…Merry Christmas!!!!
WashJeff on December 24, 2009 at 12:57 PM
You guys need to get a room!
lovingmyUSA on December 24, 2009 at 12:59 PM
I don’t disagree that health care shouldn’t be a right. I won’t debate the illigal alien topic here because that is another giant mistake by the right. Hoping they won’t be able to enact their legislation isn’t proactive governing. Enacting your plan first is.
My point was that even if Health Care wasn’t broken in the 70′s or 80′s which is debatable, it was in need of overhaul during the early part of GWB term when they were the majority. Why didn’t they do anything then? Why didn’t they really take on Medicare reform? They weren’t smart enough to figure out if they didn’t do something, eventually the Democrats would?
If they’re that stupid, then they have no one to blame but themselves. Which was exactly my point.
wordsmithy2009 on December 24, 2009 at 1:00 PM
The hard reality that so many won’t face. Most of the “leaders” are still around.
patrick neid on December 24, 2009 at 1:00 PM
There appears to be some dissension over the “most ethical Congress evah.”
Oopsdaisy on December 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Yet they overlooked the 500 billion dollar error That’s 1/2 of a trillion dollars friends…
right2bright on December 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM
I admire your optimism but the historical record is virtually nil. Now I admit should millions take to the street burning and pillaging against this new entitlement the Repubs might show some fortitude. Short of that they have not a clue what to do. That is why they are on the back bench.
patrick neid on December 24, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Merry Christmas to everyone here! Merry Christmas Ed and Merry Christmas Allahpundit!
Over 200 hundred years ago something unexpected happened that defied history. Freedom was birthed in a land called America. The world was changed forever and from that day until this one, every generation of Americans rose and did what was needed to preserve and protect whatever challenges and threats they were confronted with. May our generation do the same so that America may one day celebrate 400 years of freedom and independence!
God bless freedom! God bless America! Merry Christmas everyone!
Luke 2:9-12
“And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were filled with fear. And the angel said to them, “Fear not, for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy that will be for all the people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
Isaiah 9:6-7
“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this.”
JellyToast on December 24, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Does anyone recall the Catastrophic Health Care Bill? It was passed and was a workable plan, but Dem propaganda incensed seniors. One Congressman was surrounded in his limo and had his car rocked around a little.
Soon as Congress reconvened, it repealed the bill.
This present mess isn’t over yet.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 1:05 PM
I don’t trust any government agency no how!
lovingmyUSA on December 24, 2009 at 1:07 PM
But they use those skills for politicians, so all that know-how and basic common sense goes out the window. I believe it was Phil Gramm who asked the CBO to calculate the ten-year windfall from a 100% income tax on incomes over $100,000.00 a year. The CBO did a very nice graph showing revenue projections over ten years…as if the taxpayer wasn’t going to do a duck-dive and stay below $99,999 until it was safe. But Congress does not pay the CBO to tell Congress its parameters are insane.
Chris_Balsz on December 24, 2009 at 1:08 PM
That wasn’t just any Congressman, either, it was Dan Rostenskowski, Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee and the chief author of that bill. And it wasn’t a workable plan, at least not for seniors, and they knew it. My father was already on Medicare at the time and a former physician, and he knew that thing was a disaster from the get-go.
Democrats actually were a little smarter this time, allowing their leaders to essentially write the bills and put their names on them. Certainly there will be no mass protests in Nancy Pelosi’s district, and Harry Reid is already toast next year and doesn’t care. But a massive wave of Democratc defeats next November would probably have a similar effect, especially if Pelosi is retired as Speaker.
rockmom on December 24, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Mery Christmas JT! I hope God has a plan, and I also hope He has a plan B–we are gonna need everything to fight for this country He gave us!
lovingmyUSA on December 24, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Is Dingy Harry on drugs? I am seriously concerned about his mental stability!
ConservativePartyNow on December 24, 2009 at 1:11 PM
All I want for Christmas is to shove that bill up their asses–page by page. Now back to my egg nog and Bacardi.
RepubChica on December 24, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Actually, that would have been a good offense. GOP = FAIL, especially in the Senate. You get girlie men for leaders like Frist and McConnell. They shove real leaders like Coburn and DeMint to the background and instead fawn all over sellouts like McCain and Lindsey Grahamnesty intent on reaching across the aisle and helping the statists advance their agenda, getting their arms chewed off in the process.
GOP = The Stupid Party.
That’s why I have little faith in 2010. When the nonexistent Tea Party outpolls the GOP almost 2 to 1 and by 10 points over the Democrats, people have lost faith in the system.
Tea Party activists have to take over the GOP and drive out the enablers of the statist quo.
pdigaudio on December 24, 2009 at 1:11 PM
And the CBO just reported yesterday that the Senate bill double-counts $500 billion in savings from the Medicare cuts that nobody thinks will actually be enacted. So there is actually already a $1 trillion hole in this bill.
rockmom on December 24, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Yes we do. There’s room for three. Join us?
DarkCurrent on December 24, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Traitors, everyone of them.
Viper1 on December 24, 2009 at 1:11 PM
On December 24th, 2009, the death throws of the republic was accompanied by the silence of ambivalent Americans and the raucous applause of the demrats.
csdeven on December 24, 2009 at 1:12 PM
They’re focus on Tiger Woods and his mistresses. Oh, look! See the bright, shiny object! The new season of American Idol!
pdigaudio on December 24, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Yeah, that’s the guy! I forgot his name after these years.
I think this mess isn’t over. Popular opinion, Right and Left, opposes it for disparate reasons. Anything can happen, though you’re right about Pelosi not facing a hassle back home.
There’s still a final vote, and up to 59 Democrats facing their constituents with everything to lose–like their Senate seats. While things seem bleak right now, I’m trying to stay positive.
There isn’t a law that can’t be repealed; if Congress can enact a law it wrote, it can repeal it. The only things untouchable by Congress itself are in the Bill of Rights. Everything else is up for grabs by popular opinion.
Libs think they won on this but their victory is fleeting long as we have the Constitution and those things sitting in the closet that go ‘bang!’
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 1:16 PM
You might want to actually read the CBO report instead of grazing the liberal headlines.
According to the CBO, Harry Reid left out the Medicare “doc fix” when he submitted it for scoring. A little accounting trick politicans do when they want to fool the public at large. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) cut provisions from his healthcare reform bill that would have given doctors a temporary hike in their Medicare fee. Once they add the doc fix it will cost a whole lot more. Because of chronic flaws in the statutory formula used to calculate how much Medicare pays doctors, they’re on the hook for a 21.5 percent pay cut next year. Doctors will stop taking Medicare if they cut their pay by 21.5% and they know it.
You can read about in on The Hill website here
And that’s just one of the “secrets” the Democrats don’t want you to know.
wordsmithy2009 on December 24, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Like most libs, he’s an A-hole on plain old air.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Wish I could draw better. A perfect political cartoon:
The setting is a 1900 century living room decked with holiday decorations. Obama and Pelosi are dressed as parents and Reid as a grandfather. They are happily onlooking as children open their pork and bribe presents. The children are democrats (Nelson, etc) and a health insurance exec.
Outside the window are several poorly dressed poorly elderly and children sadly looking in.
shick on December 24, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Watching CSPAN yesterday, I took a shoe off and threw it at my TV screen with that syrupy speech Mitch McConnell gave praising Dingy Harry. McConnell is part of the damn problem. Girlie man.
pdigaudio on December 24, 2009 at 1:20 PM
I 2nd that! And I like whiskey in my eggnog! Here’s to you! Merry Christmas!
lovingmyUSA on December 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Where and when…?
lovingmyUSA on December 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Every last one of them is no F-ing good. Of course they’re going to praise each other, because no one else in the country is going to do it.
Come Judgment Day, if you believe in that, those people are going to be in for some huge surprises–ones they’ll never be able to wiggle out of.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Tom, you’re not listening. The CBO scores WHAT THEY ARE GIVEN.
They scored a bill with only 60% of the 10 year costs included and $250B in spending taken out and put into a second year.
This means the $132B deficit reduction over a decade is not true.
And even if it were true- we’re talking a measly $13B a year. Obama borrowed over $180B in October alone.
Save your lies for the ladies, Tom.
Chuck Schick on December 24, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Correction on my post:
Chuck Schick on December 24, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Giving Ann quoting ability is like handing firecrackers to a three year old. By the way, DarkCurrent, you were sorely missed in the copper thread.
LibTired on December 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Go ahead, Democrat Tyrants! Pass your healthcare bill into law!
And then watch me and others break it again and again and again, while we flip the finger of defiance in your faces!
pilamaye on December 24, 2009 at 1:26 PM
That was definitely intentional. Palin wasn’t lying, and yes….they do want to rid the world of grandma, and grandpa. The saddest part of this is….for all the rhetoric we’re reading from people, like Bleeds Blue, and Shipley….it is not us that are being fooled. They will soon find that out.
capejasmine on December 24, 2009 at 1:26 PM
What should be next on the agenda of anyone who is opposed to the Reid health bill is to get involved with the Scott Brown for US Senate campaign in Massachusetts.
http://www.brownforussenate.com
We have the chance to TAKE AWAY HARRY REID’S 60TH VOTE!
The health bill will need at least one more vote to pass the combined bill, and that won’t be until February. The special election for US Senate is January 19.
WHEN SCOTT BROWN WINS, HARRY WON’T HAVE 60 VOTES!
We need to get involved, send support, write our newspapers and GET THIS STORY ON THE FRONT PAGES.
Sadly, most Massachusetts voters don’t even know there IS a special election.
WE NEED TURNOUT! THE HIGHER THE TURNOUT, THE MORE LIKELY A WIN IS FOR BROWN.
The national GOP organizations have all but ignored this race – little press, little funding.
If people are serious about being against the Reid health bill, they need to get active NOW and start talking up Scott Brown on a national level. We need support
and media coverage to get out the vote!
THIS should be at the top of our agenda. We still have some
serious work ahead – the battle to save the US health care system IS NOT OVER!
sultanp on December 24, 2009 at 1:29 PM
I know the feeling. My very sick 77 yr old great-uncle died on this past Monday. Although I’m glad he’s in heaven at peace, knowing that he won’t have to deal w/this is a great relief.
Dubn8tr on December 24, 2009 at 1:29 PM
My 84 year old father has the same bullseye on him. Chronic angina, battled prostate cancer, colon cancer, two mild heart attacks, valve replacement surgery almost 10 years ago (due to be replaced again in the next year), advancing senile dementia …
Obama would tell this WWII vet it’s his duty to his country to go home and die.
pdigaudio on December 24, 2009 at 1:31 PM
The RNC, NRCC, and NRSC couldn’t find their collective rear ends with both hands. The NRSC is too busy trying to get Dede Scozzafava-like RINOs elected in Florida, California, Colorado and everywhere else they can. Same with the other groups.
Permanent case of Cranial Rectal Inversion Syndrome (actual photo of Sen. John Cornyn, R-Tex.)
pdigaudio on December 24, 2009 at 1:35 PM
To quote Clark Griswold:
pdigaudio on December 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Just a little wake up call for Tom Shipley:
The National debt grew by $4 trillion in eight years under GWB.
Current USA Debt under President Obama in his first year has grown over $1 Trillion already and he’s just getting started. Currently, our debt is 85% of our GDP. With health care and two wars, I predict 100% by the end Obama’s first term. And he won the Presidency on the reckless fiscal policies of GWB. Voters are so dull.
National Debt
$ 12,228,258,376,345.97
Pub.Debt =
$ 7,817,469,546,127.65
GDP =
$14,272,132,967,744.20
TotDebt-to-GDP Ratio
= 85.67926325%
PubDebt-to-GDP Ratio
= 54.77436038%
wordsmithy2009 on December 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM
I wonder what will be added to this list of “unconstitutional” government programs that are now accepted facts of life: the EPA, Dep. of Education, Agriculture, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Energy (to a certain extent), Agriculture, Labor, not to mention Social Security, Food Stamps, Welfare, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the Federal Reserve, the IRS, Cash for Clunkers, non-stimulus Stimulus packages, and now Obamacare… So what’s next? At what point will we say, “Gee, it looks like the United States is a socialist country”?
Oh, and if each of Obama’s appointees are known as “____ czar” (Russian for Caesar), then does that make him Caesar?
Send_Me on December 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Right here, right now
DarkCurrent on December 24, 2009 at 1:43 PM
To JT & LMUSA – God ALWAYS has a plan – for everything.
For those who call HIM Lord – Scripture says that “all things work together for our good…..” It doesn’t say all things are good, but that all things work together for good. Somehow, some way, good can come from this.
“The prayer of a righteous man (woman) can accomplish much!”
For those who bless God and the One who’s birth we celebrate tomorrow – There is a happy ending – Trust in that – and pray for our land.
For it is our society that is dictating which plan God executes. God has blessed America abundantly. But does America bless God???
Your answer to that question will “clue you in” as to why this has happened – and what may lie ahead.
Our Nation was founded on the Judeo/Christian Bible (despite what the apostate Obama has said). Read the Founding Father’s statements. A good source is “America’s God & Country” by William J. Federer.
Our country (as a whole) has forsaken God – we are reaping the reward (plan) for that choice.
Pray that America’s light will be lit again – because that is what we must do – to have any hope that the darkness that envelopes our nation now – will be over come.
Oopsdaisy on December 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Call me naive, but at some point, doesn’t the country finally see, once and for all, that the Left is Fascist?
At some point, doesn’t cognitive dissonance affect the masses when the State controlled media paints the Right as stooges for “Big Business”?
I mean, the biggest threat to the stock price of big business is unrestricted free enterprise. Taxes, on the other hand, are the biggest threat to personal liberty.
At some point, isn’t it blatantly obvious?
Saltysam on December 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Condolences to you and yours on your loss. May you still have a lovely Christmas.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 1:53 PM
If you vote Dem in 2010…. Then you are a FU#?!NG idiot !!
CEA_Agent on December 24, 2009 at 1:55 PM
One day, the libs are going to be crying in their passion fruit-and-broccoli shakes, whimpering about government ‘allowing’ them to keep only 1/8 of their hard-earned income each week.
This country as we know and love it isn’t over, Friends and Patriots. Long as you always shoot straight and speak the truth, no one can condemn you.
Liam on December 24, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Yes he would. It just devastates me, that this party professes themselves as the party of compassion, when the are anything but. God Bless, you, and your dad. It seems so defeating right now, but we’ll get our strength back, and fight on. :)Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you as well, Liam. I just saw your comment on another page.
Dubn8tr. I’m very sorry for your loss. It’s never easy, and you all will be added to my prayers.
Saltysam…it is blatantly obvious to all of us, who refused the kool aid, and were able to think for ourselves thru all the brainwashing being done in schools.
capejasmine on December 24, 2009 at 2:00 PM
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