It’s time to start over on ObamaCare, says … top House Democrat
posted at 4:20 pm on December 23, 2009 by Allahpundit
I feel like Carrey in that scene in “Dumb and Dumber” when he’s told that his chances of scoring with his love interest are a million to one. So you’re telling me there’s a chance…
Although the art of legislating involves compromise, I believe the Senate went off the rails when it agreed with the Obama Administration to water down the reform bill and no longer include the public option…
In the House, we fought hard to repeal McCarran-Ferguson, the antitrust exemption that insurance companies have enjoyed for years. We did that because we believed firmly that those Fortune 500 corporations should not enjoy special treatment.
Yet the Senate bill does not include that provision — despite assurances from some members that they will seek to add it. By ending that protection, we will be able to go after insurance companies with federal penalties for misleading advertising or dishonest business practices…
And of course, the Senate bill did not remove the onerous choice language intended to appeal to anti-abortion forces…
It’s time that we draw the line on this weak bill and ask the Senate to go back to the drawing board.
Starting over is, of course, the last thing they’ll do at this point for the simple reason that they don’t want the process to drag on any closer to the midterms than it already has. Dropping HCR altogether would be preferable. Not sure why Slaughter would be twisting Reid’s arm publicly about lefty concessions that he, um, can’t make, but she’s pretty much boxed herself into voting no here. That puts the House vote momentarily at 219-216; Joe Cao has said he can’t vote for a bill that lacks Stupak’s abortion language, which the final bill surely will, so make that … 218-217. That leaves everything in the hands of the Blue Dogs — who, of course, are fully prepared to sell out. Here’s the clip of Jason Altmire last night on Fox Business predicting that “a lot” of centrist Dems will flip to yes this time. Wouldn’t surprise me if the margin on the final bill is wider than the margin on the one they already passed.
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O.M.G.!
*FacePalm*
Someone slap Slaughter.. HARD!
upinak on December 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM
EPIC FAILURE
David in ATL on December 23, 2009 at 4:23 PM
This is more of the same bizarro actions going on in DC.
I can not believe these humans are supposed to represent us.
ORconservative on December 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Oh yeah. Pelosi protected a lot of people on the last vote. She’ll have no reservations about personally throwing a few members down on the swords herself if it means passing it this time around.
BadgerHawk on December 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM
positioning for negotiations
rob verdi on December 23, 2009 at 4:25 PM
AP, you’re forgetting that Griffith just switched to GOP. Wouldn’t that make it 217-218?
ConservativePartyNow on December 23, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Translations: I might want a bribe too. I need $50,000,000,000 dollars to make you holler,
I get paid to do the Wild Thing.
portlandon on December 23, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Slaughter represents one of the safest districts–because it has probably been the most gerrymandered–in NYS (the one just north of mine). She can say whatever she wants, and it’ll never hurt her. And she’s been clear before: if anything even hints at impeding our inevitable walk into socialized medicine, it ain’t worth it.
I doubt she’ll get her way and the bill will pass, but as chair of the House Rules Committee, and a bigwig in the House Progressive Caucus, her name carries some (but not too much) weight.
Pope Linus on December 23, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Fixed it for ‘ya, Skippy…
Seven Percent Solution on December 23, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Pray for america.
unseen on December 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Pelosi has no more regard for her Democratic members than she does for the Nation as a whole . . . shoving them down on their swords or kicking them in the groin are only two of her acceptable methods for getting the necessary votes. The democratic process, who cares . . . that’s from the old America we once knew.
rplat on December 23, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Exactly my thoughts!
Rndguy on December 23, 2009 at 4:32 PM
The pols absolutely don’t know whether to $hit or go blind. It’s just that simple. They’re in deep doo no matter what now.
Oink on December 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM
No, he voted no last time.
BPD on December 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM
“Why yes, we do still have stimulus money left, why do you ask?”
Bishop on December 23, 2009 at 4:34 PM
This isn’t going according to Liberal plans me thinks,this
sounds like Team Obama’s HealthCare Bomber is still taking
heavy flak,and is running on two engines,and hasn’t even
crossed a half way point to said destination!!
Hopefully,this HealthCare bill will get shot down,in
flames!!!!!!!!!!!!(Snark)
canopfor on December 23, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Breaking…………..the Senate just got their final procedural healthcare test vote.
I guess Ben Nelson decided to flip off his Governor who’s now speaking on Fox.
They only need 51 votes tomorrow.
Knucklehead on December 23, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Even Sir Mix-a-Lot says no to this Bill.
upinak on December 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM
that is SUCH BS! God, I am so mad right now I could deck someone and not feel it!!! UGHHHHHH
upinak on December 23, 2009 at 4:38 PM
gophergirl on December 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM
“Someone bribe me, please!”
search4truth on December 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM
The blue dogs can say they voted against it before they voted for it.
pedestrian on December 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Ed, Allah.. can’t we get a RedState other “blags” and maybe Fox news to start having people CALL about this????
Come on this freaking SUCKS!!!
upinak on December 23, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Well you should turn on Fox and now listen to Dingy and watch all the idiots standing behind him smiling.
Knucklehead on December 23, 2009 at 4:41 PM
canopfor: I noticed the other day in one of your post you made reference to your proximity to Michigan,just wondering if you are in the Amhurstburg to Windsor corridor?
heshtesh on December 23, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Until these so-called “blue dog Democrats” actually vote AGAINST Reid or Pelosi, it’s nothing but political posturing and noise. They’re still leftist Democrats, and haven’t done anything to prove otherwise.
bradley11 on December 23, 2009 at 4:42 PM
They are all a ignorant, self serving turds with neither conscience, morals or a credible value system.
rplat on December 23, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Politico reports 2 more dems – Lynn Woolsey & Sheela Jackson Lee also oppose current senate bill.
Anita on December 23, 2009 at 4:43 PM
If only we could see that group holding little placards with their prison number displayed, maybe some nice profile shots too.
Bishop on December 23, 2009 at 4:43 PM
This version is dumber and dumbest,or is it stupid or
stupider,or idiot and idioter,oh hell,were talking
Democrats here,close enough!(Snark).
canopfor on December 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM
I think it’s a sign of the end times when the very hopes of our liberty rest with Shelia Jackson Lee and Lynn Woolsey.
YIKES!
gophergirl on December 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Well you should turn on Fox and now listen to Dingy and watch all the idiots standing behind him smiling.
Knucklehead on December 23, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Knucklehead: To quote,one of H/A’s trolls,stupid illiterate
idiots comes to mind KH,hehe!:)
canopfor on December 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM
B+
jukin on December 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM
I watched a few seconds while Dodd was talking and his cronies were behind him . . . it produced a flashback to the scene for an Indiana Jones movie where he fell into a pit of slimy poisonous vipers.
rplat on December 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM
The second something in this law doesn’t work as advertised, every Congress member who voted for it should be executed.
venividivici on December 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM
We will NOT forget!
Laura in Maryland on December 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Harkin asked if the vote could be taken a 6pm today and then at 1am (so some folks could get out of town early), both shut down by the simple objections—Harkin finished with a parting shot at Repulicans for not caring about familys during Christmas, to which a Republican suggested the vote be put off until January 20th, and every one could go home now—–there was nothing but silence on the other side.
Boo hoo
Rovin on December 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Nice flashback, too bad it was only that.
chemman on December 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM
My God, I feel like I struck gold, by not having, nor ever having voted for a dim O crap.
For all those trolls who want to say…but republicans do this too. Well not to this extent, and not to this level of stupidity, and not to this level of corruption, deceit, and blatant disregard for the will of the people they represent.
It’s all on you Dim O craps!!!
capejasmine on December 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM
ROFLMAO!!! Check, and mate!
capejasmine on December 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM
People had better pay attention because they are being led into slavery. Find out the facts, know the truth and get noisy folks, lest you become nothing more than a passive, dependent ward of a fascist state.
rplat on December 23, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I am so going to laugh when the “uniformed” masses start showing up for their free health care the day after Christmas. I can’t wait to watch their face drop when they find out that it does not go into effect until 2014!
fbcmusicman on December 23, 2009 at 5:00 PM
at work.. cant watch, can’t listen to it as everything for us here is pre-recorded. UGH UGH UGH!!!!
upinak on December 23, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I second the motion.
chemman on December 23, 2009 at 5:00 PM
It’s all posturing now. They have a done deal in the House and the Senate. Now they are just taking cover and getting into re-election position.
Mo2Do on December 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM
“Overs” Democrat mulligan announcements, including Obama’s supposed announcement to wait until Feb. to vote are disinformation.
Obama announces “wait and see” while opposition attempts to celebrate Christmas, after which time people wake up to the news that the vote is over, Obama’s quorum made it happen in secret.
Expect the worst from the Democrats, and be prepared to uphold the Constitution in every way, on every front. Don’t get suckered.
Though Obama should be concerned about the Will of the American People, he never has been and never will be. Obama has never given America any reason to believe a damn thing he ever says. More often than not, if you take the opposite of what he says, you’re closer to the mark.
NEVER expect Obama and this majority of Democrats to observe the law and the legislative protocol. Hold them to account for every infraction on record, and prepare their impeachment and prosecutions for their frauds. Never submit to US federal Marxism.
maverick muse on December 23, 2009 at 5:03 PM
At this point, it is useless for the Democrats to be concerned about the Midterms, considering the fact that every mother’s son and daughter of them is going to be voted out of office!!!!!
pilamaye on December 23, 2009 at 5:03 PM
No, make that 217-217:
“Then realize that, on January 3, Florida Democratic congressman Bob Wexler will resign. . . “
It’s a tie. The motion is not agreed to.
Emperor Norton on December 23, 2009 at 5:05 PM
that is SUCH BS! God, I am so mad right now I could deck someone and not feel it!!! UGHHHHHH
upinak on December 23, 2009 at 4:38 PM
upinak: Swing away,you go girl!!hehe:)
canopfor on December 23, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Go ahead Pelosi, pass this crap sandwich. And next year you can move OUT of the Speaker’s office.
GarandFan on December 23, 2009 at 5:05 PM
No kidding. I’m waiting for the first 911 call complaining that a doctor won’t give them free treatments, it will put the emergency call for McDonald’s McNuggets to shame.
sherry on December 23, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Please say someone said go for the 20th?!?! Or was the silence deafening?
upinak on December 23, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Cmon, real america. You lost. What did you expect? You were beaten soundly in 06 and 08. It’s amazing that your sad little protestations made any news at all.
Ahh, Obamacare for Christmas. Enjoy the holiday, real america. And try to win some elections – maybe someone will pay attention to you guys again some day.
simplesimon on December 23, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Pelosi and Reid to conference, in secret, on the final ObamaScare bill.
This is Transparency America!
America, you land full of fools, you deserve this, for the simple reason that You asked for it. May you all suffer terribly from this, including your families, for generations to come. Morons.
Yes, I’m sorry for the ones who didn’t and who have to pay for this too, in more ways than one.
Schadenfreude on December 23, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Forgot the link, so here it is.
Schadenfreude on December 23, 2009 at 5:06 PM
venividivici on December 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM
When legislation doesn’t work as advertised and promised, every Congress member who voted for it should be drafted to guard duty at the worst federal penitentiaries.
Mincemeat pie
maverick muse on December 23, 2009 at 5:07 PM
simplesimon, I course you to a living hell for you and yours. You deserve to be ruined from this alone.
Your day will come sooner than you think.
Schadenfreude on December 23, 2009 at 5:08 PM
I told you people…buck up!
russcote on December 23, 2009 at 5:08 PM
simple, course = curse, for sure
Schadenfreude on December 23, 2009 at 5:08 PM
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Thank you for the kind wishes, real american! Many courses (???) to you and yours as well!
simplesimon on December 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Someone get simons IP addy? I have a christmas present in mind.
Simon, how do you like stuffing?
upinak on December 23, 2009 at 5:10 PM
simplesimon on December 23, 2009 at 5:06 PM
When things don’t go so well for you, think of my nom, you little weasel.
Plankton s/b indignant in reference to you.
Schadenfreude on December 23, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Schadenfreude on December 23, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Reid and Pelosi bash head ping pong balls.
Merry Christmas, Schadenfruede!
maverick muse on December 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Schumer Says Every State Got Special Treatment in Health Bill
I wonder what my senator begich got out of this. He is to stupid to realize he is out the next election.
upinak on December 23, 2009 at 5:13 PM
maverick muse on December 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Merry Christmas to you too, mm, but what’s to be merry about?
Little simons run our land. What a bunch of fools we have among us.
Schadenfreude on December 23, 2009 at 5:14 PM
There are so many things that are infuriating about the evil SOBs in the White House and Congress (and yes I mean evil, not just wrong/stupid… as I’ve explained at length many times)…. But something just struck me…
We’ve all heard the Christmas sort of “deadline”, now we’re hearing that the White House wants to push it back ’til February… and I believe there was another “deadline” around October/November… But I just thought about something. Does everyone remember when Obama demanded a bill be on his desk before the August recess? Yeah… That was back before all of the tea parties, town halls, etc. Anyway, heck of a job, B+ Barry.
Seriously… I think we all recognize how arrogant it was to even answer the “grade” question, and shockingly/unbelievably arrogant to give Mr. 10% unemployment, Mr. the world is laughing at me, etc. to go as high as a B+… But one has to wonder, just what in the hell does he think he’s done right?
Answer: Everything. I’m not going to ramble on about how his goal is to destroy the economy and “fundamentally transform” (his words) the country, because if you still don’t get it then you’re beyond help.
RightWinged on December 23, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Sad but true, real american. Your kind has no say any more.
simplesimon on December 23, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Simon has been waiting for this day; his “condition” has been needing treatment for quite a while and well…crack doesn’t buy itself.
How sad he will be when he finds that the very medicine he needs is on the restricted list.
Bishop on December 23, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Simple one, don’t kid yourself. We will have lots to say, sooner than you think. Like I said, recall my nom, when things don’t go your way, sooner than you can imagine today.
Schadenfreude on December 23, 2009 at 5:17 PM
I told you people… Buck up!
russcote on December 23, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
maverick muse on December 23, 2009 at 5:17 PM
The stupid started taking over in 2006.
Where is Bleedsblue to explain why OgabeCare will still leave 15 million or so Americans uncovered at the ten year mark.
Bishop on December 23, 2009 at 5:18 PM
I was on the way to the nearest MRI center (very near, indeed; about a mile from my house), and caught a minute of Mark Steyn. Steyn was reminding us that in Canada, you might wait for 24 or 36 months for an MRI. I made my appointment yesterday afternoon.
At the center, I helped a lady get from her car to the door on crutches in freezing rain. I asked her when she scheduled her MRI — it was this morning.
After my test, they thanked me and sent me out the door.
“Do I owe you anything?”
“No, your insurance deductibles are met and everything was cleared yesterday.”
These Democrats need to be drowned in a pool of their own urine.
Jaibones on December 23, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Actually it is worse then that.
It goes back into the mid 60′s when you have Grow Fins and BB’s and Anninca’s all over, breeding their social propaganda concerning warn, love, peace and other BS and forgetting everyone else including their parents in the mix.
Then begins to start by these “hippies” who become “Scientists” and tell the worls that we are ALL GOING TO DIE because the cycle of life decided it needed to cool off a degree or so.
And It goes further.
upinak on December 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM
NO, that is too kind for them. It must be their own latrine slush. May they eat lots of it, like the dwelling rats that they are. It’s the perfect medium for them.
Schadenfreude on December 23, 2009 at 5:24 PM
This so called blue dog is just trying to save his political ass by starting over.If he wants to start over he and 41 more Dems in the house just vote against the final bill.
thmcbb on December 23, 2009 at 5:25 PM
No worries….we will. November 2010 is less than a year away ;) And remember….there are democrats out there disgusted by all this too, and they’re showing up at tea party movements. Careful what you wish for.
capejasmine on December 23, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Good point. In a way I wish they had achieved this crap sooner and quicker, we might already be recovered while having marginalized liberalism to that of a barely-noticed cult. Oh well I guess that process starts soon.
Bishop on December 23, 2009 at 5:26 PM
We will NOT forget!
Laura in Maryland on December 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Laura in Mayland: As in Pearl Harbour,good call LiM!:)
canopfor on December 23, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Crap,thats Maryland,not Mayland,apologizes to the great State of Maryland!
canopfor on December 23, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Anyone who supports or agrees with this type of legislation is a thief – pure and simple!
OldEnglish on December 23, 2009 at 5:36 PM
I haven’t voted for ANY democrat candidate for years and I recommend that all of you do the same. [There is no such thing as a democrat that doesn't follow the liberal socialist line and if there was they wouldn't be democrats]
docdave on December 23, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Sad but true, real american. Your kind has no say any more.
simplesimon on December 23, 2009 at 5:15 PM
simplesimon: Hang on to that simplistic notion Sim,Liberal
repentance is a cometh!
canopfor on December 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Some trolls here can’t lick the foam off their chops fast enough, they’re so over eager about this crap.
All I know is, what you give, is what you get, and Simpleton is in for a long life of what it’s sown.
capejasmine on December 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM
May you get many “courses” of that dish “best served cold”.
This would be a good place to start with you.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104191
venividivici on December 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Y’all welcome to the United Socialist States of America. USSA
rjoco1 on December 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM
A cowardly thief who doesn’t have the guts to steal from people directly, so they use the government to do it for them.
venividivici on December 23, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Real American? Freudian slip perhaps?
You are amongst REAL Americans. Listen up twerp, you might learn something.
donh525 on December 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM
CUDA
Metro on December 23, 2009 at 5:43 PM
canopfor: I noticed the other day in one of your post you made reference to your proximity to Michigan,just wondering if you are in the Amhurstburg to Windsor corridor?
heshtesh on December 23, 2009 at 4:41 PM
heshtesh: I responed to you a while back,but no biggie!
I’m in Sault bSte Marie,Ontario,our twin sister is
Sault Michigan!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sault_Ste._Marie,_Ontario
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Our twin sister,
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Heshtesh,just in case we don’t communicate,have a very Merry Christmas to you and your family:)
canopfor on December 23, 2009 at 5:48 PM
They’re scheming with ACORN now to secure more dead voters for next years election. They’ve been caught with Michey and Goofy. Don’t give up hope for that new whore house funding yet! It ain’t over til the painted lady sings.
bluegrass on December 23, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Sorry, had to go change the oil in the truck. Yes, the silence was deafening. You could hear grumbling in the background while another speaker was talking, but I sure it was something along the lines of Fu, no fu….
Maybe bluegrass is right, Pelosi could have a bunch of disgruntled in her party by the time they come back.
And don’t forget the new buzz word…..COMPROMI$E
Rovin on December 23, 2009 at 6:40 PM
As those of us who listen to Ed’s show say, Slaughter is bought and paid for by Facepalmolive, when you don’t want to chap your face with your palm.
steveegg on December 23, 2009 at 7:19 PM
You know what would surprise me?
If those, who advocated against Republicans – those, who couldn’t hold their noses or their tongues, would apologize to those of us who did.
franksalterego on December 23, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I can see one of two things happening:
- Pelosi finds a way for 218 House Rats to swallow what came out of the Senate whole and without any changes (any changes would require a trip back to the Senate and at least one 60-vote cloture vote)
- Pelosi finds 218 votes for HR3200 (the old, full-public-option, abortion-promoting version of PlaceboCare that only needs 50+Biden in the Senate, which Reid has because it has been certified for “reconciliation”).
steveegg on December 23, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Some got raped while others got rape-raped; in either case it was “special”
ya2daup on December 23, 2009 at 8:34 PM
So, how’s it goin’, eh? I used to live in Marquette myself (thus the ‘up’ in my posting name); Mom still does and cuts her own grass / throws her own snow at age 80.
Did the lock on the Canadian side of the Soo ever get repaired? Also, do you know Mike Zuke by any chance? He played collegiate hockey at Da Tech when I attended there.
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, canopfor!!
ya2daup on December 23, 2009 at 8:52 PM
I guess I never envisioned the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse galloping in on donkeys.
Yoop on December 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM
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