Top House liberal hints: We’re ready to cave on the public option
posted at 7:02 pm on December 22, 2009 by Allahpundit
I figured they would — but not before the Senate’s even voted on its own bill. Why not wait, threaten, and pile up as much negotiation leverage as you can? Either Pelosi’s already put the fear of god into this guy or he’s as big a sucker as Bayh, Lincoln, and the rest of the unbribed Blue Dogs are.
So goes the last, best chance of stopping the bill.
In the inteview, Grijalva confirmed that House Dems were beginning to discuss the idea of revising the Senate bill in conference to move up the implementation date for insurance coverage and make it more in line with the earlier date in the House bill.
I asked Grijalva if he could support the bill if such a change were made, even if it lacked a public option or other similar concessions sought by liberals…
Asked if he was suggesting that he’s open to supporting such an outcome, Grijalva answered in the affirmative, but insisted that he would have to evaluate the changes in conference before making any decision. He said House liberals would continue to push for a public component and a repeal of the anti-trust exemption for insurance companies. And he demanded that conference negotiations not merely “rubber stamp” the Senate bill.
“We need a win on our side of the aisle,” Grijalva said. “That’s very important politically.”
Is there anything left in this bill that’s not about political face-saving? Nelson needed the Medicaid bribe, Reid needed it passed by Christmas, and of course the bill itself needs to be passed because … it’s “very important politically.” Sean Trende saw it coming from a mile away:
To begin, very few of the progressives are likely to kill the bill, just as, at the end of the day, Feingold, Sanders and Burris all voted for the bill. The impending retirements of Congressmen Tanner, Gordon, and Baird have probably given Pelosi a few extra votes to play with. Moreover, a public option-less bill gives some of the less conservative “noes” some cover to vote yes; Democrats like Adler (NJ-3), Boccieri (OH-16), Davis (AL-07), and Teague (AZ-05) come to mind. This could offset losses among the progressive caucus.
I’m also guessing that there were ten-to-fifteen Democrats who voted “no” who were available for the Speaker if she really needed them, or wanted them badly enough. Given the buy-offs of Senators Nelson, Sanders and Landrieu, it is pretty clear that no price is too high for the leadership and the White House…
Their only hope for a good outcome is that the bill passes, and Obama somehow convinces the nation over the course of the next year that it was a good thing, that unemployment declines substantially, and that his popularity rises. This isn’t particularly likely, but it is the only path that offers some hope of survival for Democrats in marginal seats.
Translation: It is indeed very important politically that something pass, which is why even a fight fight fightin’ nutroots hero like Grijalva is prepared to break the left’s heart. As for the other wing of the caucus, Stupak’s Blue Dog, expect a few dozen of them to sell out too — if Pelosi needs them — once they get a bill without a public option in front of them. Stupak’s talking tough and he’ll surely vote no himself, but a lot of the pro-life votes he attracted last time were likely due to the fact that Pelosi simply didn’t need them and could afford to give them cover. She may need them now. Repent, for the end is nigh.
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No way AP. This bill is about one thing and one thing only: abortion, abortion and abortion.
Eeyore or not, there’s no way a compromise satisfying everyone on funding language is going to happen.
We’re gonna beat this thing yet.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Pitchforks. Torches. Christmas Revolution.
NickTx on December 22, 2009 at 7:05 PM
So will it come down to Stupak’s Raiders and abortion?
singlemalt_18 on December 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM
I honestly don’t see it happening with the Progressive Caucus. Them giving up the public option would basically destroy liberal morale and crush any chance of them going out to vote next year.
There were even several Senators who said they were only advancing the debate because they assumed the House would make it a better bill by forcing a public option.
Enoxo on December 22, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Only three, count ‘em, three blue dogs have to switch on the abortion language for it to fail in the House. Stupak’s saying anywhere from 6-12 will most likely do so.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and believe him.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:08 PM
The entire things needs to die. It’s a monstrosity.
Kill it.
darwin on December 22, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Have we been that resoundingly cowed that we, as citizens, will not revolt?
If so, it is an insult to our founders and all those who fought and died to wrest the shackles of King George and give birth to this once great Republic.
HadithHarry on December 22, 2009 at 7:12 PM
… and more cowbell!
Seven Percent Solution on December 22, 2009 at 7:12 PM
I was reading the comments in the HuffPo last night. Wow are people pissed at Obama over this.
Chuck Schick on December 22, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Ok, so are there any organized groups who are going to “VISIT” blue, ah, I mean, LAP DOG offices over the break?
Seems like they need to hear an earful. They are ALL up for reelection.
stenwin77 on December 22, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Why this? Why now? Someone is playing an end-around game with the Left, and we can all assume who it is, no?
SouthernGent on December 22, 2009 at 7:13 PM
I hope [he] it fails.
OmahaConservative on December 22, 2009 at 7:13 PM
This bill will pass the house. Dems can’t afford to put it back into Reid’s hands – he barely got it past cloture and he’d have a tough time doing it a second time.
gwelf on December 22, 2009 at 7:14 PM
this bill will collapse the current health care system, so people will clamor for a single payor…
clower-priven..
right4life on December 22, 2009 at 7:15 PM
And absolutely MORE cowbell.
But really, please tell me we are not back to discussing and pinning our hopes on the mythical creature known as the “Blue Dog Democrat” again.
If those people are our only hope, we are totally hosed.
NickTx on December 22, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Good to hear. Events are converging – anti-Democrat sentiment is on the rise and the lefties are so pissed they won’t show up in the numbers they did in 2008. 2010/12 is going to be a blood bath.
gwelf on December 22, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Time for a Christmas miracle!
GFW on December 22, 2009 at 7:17 PM
The abortion-funding issue won’t kill this steaming pile of dung, and neither will the so-called “public option.” Once the Dems ram this through, they can spend next year tinkering with it.
Or they can simply depend on the Repubs not reading it, and dole out Nelsonesque bribes to anyone who shows reluctance to go along.
We have been screwed, to an extent most of us can’t yet imagine. Whatever the political Pollyannas say, it’s a done deal, as the right won’t get up off their ever-widening butts and play lefty-style hardball.
If we could get 535 new representatives and 100 new senators, we might be able to straighten things out. If, that is, we could replace Osama Obama, too.
MrScribbler on December 22, 2009 at 7:19 PM
I think the ace is the level of outrage building…it is really becoming a pile of shit in the public’s view…we’ll see…
winston on December 22, 2009 at 7:19 PM
*grumble*
Boy, you gotta be quick around here…
turfmann on December 22, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Where do I sign up?
belad on December 22, 2009 at 7:19 PM
And there is the money quote. This bill has nothing to do with right or wrong, it’s all about winning one for Barry.
That being said, my gut is all of sudden telling me this thing is going to crash and burn once these criminals get home and face their firing squads thanks to Ben Nelson.
Knucklehead on December 22, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Dude I was tweeting them for two hours last night. I couldn’t get enough. I was literally mesmerized to see HuffPo liberals go off on Obama in ways that make a lot of Conservatives blush.
Everybody hates this thing, albeit for different reasons. I’m starting to believe those who have said that, far from being “very important politically”, passing this thing will be the worst possible scenario for liberals and the Democratic Party in general.
I still don’t want it passed, of course, but there’s at least that small consolation if something does.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:21 PM
I think you mean 435 representatives.
fourdeucer on December 22, 2009 at 7:23 PM
I hear you, but I’m in one of my optimistic moods today and I’m believing that enough pro-life Dems in the House just aren’t going for it.
I’ll say it again, we’re gonna kill this thing yet.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Ahhhh! Judas Iscariot Nelson. Man of the hour.
Enjoy your 15 minutes of
fameinfamy and disgrace while you can.OmahaConservative on December 22, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Its starting to seem that we all begin to ask ourselves that question. People are starting to soft-peddle the importance of this healthcare nightmare before Christmas, but I beg to differ.
I think its a disaster of epic proportions.
NickTx on December 22, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I like to watch the left wing “Democracy Now!” on public television. (We have two in Philly, the bland PBS channel 12, and the left wing channel 35). DN is hosted by Amy Goodman, the lefty journalist who was arrested at the GOP convention for disobeying a police order to leave a secured area.
DN is furious about the Senate bill. A sell-out to lobbyists and insurance companies. Sure, Reid has his 60, but at least I can enjoy this for the meantime. (She had Monbiot on yesterday blaming Obama for the collapse of Copenhagen.) Lefty outrage. And it’s not even aimed at George Bush.
Wethal on December 22, 2009 at 7:25 PM
i think the liberals are gonna bite the bullet and pass this thing without a public option because it’s going to be so absolutely horrible that in a couple of years even conservatives will be crowing for single-payer as vastly superior.
Hell, I have a couple conservative friends now who would prefer single-payer to this piece of crap bill
MFn G I M P on December 22, 2009 at 7:25 PM
We’re gonna beat this thing yet.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Midas on December 22, 2009 at 7:27 PM
or better yet, rifles, shotguns, pick-ups, etc Christmas revolution.
royzer on December 22, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Ok, I’m confused. Whatever happened to Lincoln’s promise to filibuster if Reid did not drop the public option? I guess she was last week’s number 60.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/21/lincoln-warns-reid-drop-the-public-option-or-next-time-ill-filibuster/
JellyToast on December 22, 2009 at 7:28 PM
And the Dems KNOW that and are still willing to take the hit. The only obvious conclusion is that they are willing to take the hit for the sake of advancing the larger agenda.
Thats why its very important.
NickTx on December 22, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Color me shocked.
thirteen28 on December 22, 2009 at 7:28 PM
You have to believe that other than those guys, no one else changes their vote.
Like AP said, Pelosi’s surely got more than enough votes ready to switch to offset those – bet on it.
Midas on December 22, 2009 at 7:28 PM
The liberals know if they can get any thing related to health care passed they will spend the rest of their lives growing it just like every other piece of liberal crap.
fourdeucer on December 22, 2009 at 7:29 PM
The Christmas Revolution. I can see the Wikipedia entry now…
NickTx on December 22, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Pelosi has an 81 seat advantage. Getting the votes is a foregone conclusion.
NeoKong on December 22, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Here.
fossten on December 22, 2009 at 7:30 PM
QUESTION:
Doe anybody here know if one GOP senator objects to a conference with the House on the HC bill, then NO cnference tkes place??? That’s been suggested by RedState, but I want to hear an authoritative answer. What are the Senate rules on this?
No conference with the House blows this up.
ex Dem from Miami on December 22, 2009 at 7:31 PM
The progressives? Please. They were never going to create any real trouble for Pelosi.
None of them have any real principles except for power. And Pelosi is right there with them.
But makes me wonder why they think it’s a great idea to do this, politically. All the pain is put up front in terms of taxes/fees [yes, the rationing comes later]; the benefits don’t come into play until years later. That makes it so much easier to rescind, given that there are a few election cycles before the benefits kick in. No one will be attached to anything that just means more taxes for everybody with little to show for it personally.
meep on December 22, 2009 at 7:32 PM
If you’re a betting man, I’ll take that action. Beers on me, (if you’re close), or else a bottle of scotch, if this thing passes. Vice-versa for you.
We on?
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Who? The vote was 220-215. What else has changed besides the abortion question that matters, if in fact the liberals fall in line and dump the public option?
Nobody. The vote will be exactly the same except the potential for Stupak’s gang on the funding language. All things being equal, only three of them have to switch to kill it.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Interesting personal anecdote.
My girlfriend is black and I am white so it’s interesting to hear her friends’ changing opinions. The way they speak about politics to me, it seems that they assume I am an Obama voter.
We went out Sunday with a couple who have 2 Obama stickers on each of their cars. They are upper middle class and very up to date on the issues. They are disgusted with the bill and are very disappointed with how far he has fallen. They were even laughing at what an ass he made of himself in Copenhagen.
The backlash is very real. The healthcare bill will be Obama’s Iraq. It will put him on the defensive for the rest of his presidency. Every negative news story about rising prices, ballooning deficits and declining care will be laid at his feet.
Chuck Schick on December 22, 2009 at 7:39 PM
If the 38 pages of comments at HuffPo I read last night are any indication, the backlash is very, very real.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:41 PM
I want a new country.
WisCon on December 22, 2009 at 7:43 PM
This is why they’ve structured it so the “benefits” do not start until after 2014. The only thing that begins now is taxes.
Enoxo on December 22, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Pass the popcorn. It’s going to be interesting to see who’s in SURVIVAL MODE.
GarandFan on December 22, 2009 at 7:43 PM
I want
a newmy country back.WisCon on December 22, 2009 at 7:43 PM
FIFY
OmahaConservative on December 22, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Yep. There will be little to no changes to the Senate bill.
Pelosi will strong arm it through on the promise that all the wish list items will be tacked on to other bills this spring/ summer.
BadgerHawk on December 22, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Yes, I originally meant to write 535 members of congress.
Hard as hell to type when you are (as Ed Anger used to say) pig-biting mad.
MrScribbler on December 22, 2009 at 7:45 PM
I might be in for that bottle of scotch bet.
I’ll warn you, Russcote. Alot of those Dem no votes were fake. Those people will vote yes on the final bill.
If there’s any good in this- the Democrats had to give up the truly destructive things and bloody themselves badly in the process.
Like they said about Iraq- you break, you bought it.
They’re about to take responsibility for 1/6 of the American economy. And it will not go well for them- that much I am 100% positive of.
Chuck Schick on December 22, 2009 at 7:45 PM
No you don’t. You just want the old one back.
So do I.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Think about it, but let me know if you want in.
That’s exactly my point. They know this. They’re thinking about it. I don’t see the finger-in-the-air Democrats doing it.
Come on people…CONFIDENCE! Let’s go!
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Your point was still well taken.
fourdeucer on December 22, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Is it possible? Are we ever going to get 67 Senators to repeal this?
WisCon on December 22, 2009 at 7:49 PM
So the 88% of Americans who have health insurance will suffer:
* higher taxes, both directly and passed down
* lower HSA/FSA deposit limits
* increased premiums (some projections are over double for middle class families)
* tougher regulation that will alter or kill existing plans
for 4 years before we even begin to create the 6% of beneficiaries.
Remind me why this is a good plan again?
Chuck Schick on December 22, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Nice touch with the music!
justltl on December 22, 2009 at 7:51 PM
I don`t think the Blue Dogs will kill it, simply because there is really no such thing anymore. Nancy will fill all their desires with money we don`t have or whatever else they want. I don`t think abortion stops this bill as I do believe they will cave to Stupak if they have to and then immediately start to change it after passage. It is all about passing something for political gain. I have been hearing over and over again how this will stop it or that will stop it or that they will be committing suicide doing this or that. Well, they keep right on going and they keep passing this abhorrent legislation onto the next step. November cannot get here quick enough if we have the time to wait, that is.
bluemarlin on December 22, 2009 at 7:51 PM
At this point, I favor taking EVERY representative and senator, and hanging them all, by their own intestines, from the nearest lamp posts. Leave them for a mo0nth to sway and rot in the breeze, as a warning to those who would run for such an office to be true to the Constitution, and remember WHO they represent, and WHAT they represent.
At the very least, a Christmas present for each of them of a new coat of tar and feathers for to express our collective feelings about them.
AW1 Tim on December 22, 2009 at 7:51 PM
It’s not gonna pass in the first place. Don’t let AP get you down. We need his Eeyoreishness in many places, conceded, but not on this one. Abortion is going to kill this bill.
Mark my words.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 7:52 PM
this bill will collapse the current health care system, so people will clamor for a single payor…
clower-priven..
right4life on December 22, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Ahem, cough-cough..thats Cloward-Piven.
Archimedes on December 22, 2009 at 7:52 PM
That, too, is a weakness. The Dems will start taking people’s money, but not promptly give them any entitlement they’d get used to and not want to give up. That will grate on a lot of voters. Not that you get lousy services for yoru taxes, but you get nothing for your money.
“Wouldn’t you like to have that money back, instead of using it to build up a big bureaucracy that will be worse than the DMV?” This could resonate, at least with independents.
Wethal on December 22, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I just want to verify that’s what you meant to type. Because that seems like a pretty thin branch to walk out on.
BadgerHawk on December 22, 2009 at 7:57 PM
You are going to believe a DEMOCRAT? Give me one example of where that has worked out. They Are Evil…not just wrong ALLAH.
leftnomore on December 22, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Public option is a fake issue, smoke and mirrors. They don’t need a public option now and they know it. The Senate bill is already a de facto nationalization of healthcare, because the government will set all the packages, standards and prices.
modifiedcontent on December 22, 2009 at 7:59 PM
It’s a really thin branch, but it’s the only one I can see right now and “thin” doesn’t mean “nonexistent”. I think you were here Badger when we were up to the wee hours on this site watching Amnesty go down in flames. I’m gearing up for round 2 to watch ObamaCare go down as well.
Allah? Huh?
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 8:01 PM
In this one, your right-wing paranoia is right: the only reason this bill is important is because it brings us one step closer to single-payer.
Bleeds Blue on December 22, 2009 at 8:02 PM
I would call your Senators people. You have nothing to lose by giving them a call and telling them that you will get them out of office if they pass this bill.
upinak on December 22, 2009 at 8:03 PM
That was a tagline on Allah’s AGW article, that Dem’s are just “wrong, not evil.” I disagree. 101%.
leftnomore on December 22, 2009 at 8:04 PM
We need to stay educated, alert and ready for action. Some sort of revolution is brewing. I simply refuse to stand idly by and watch the American Way destroyed by socialism or communism.
God Bless America, again!
OmahaConservative on December 22, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Now THAT is change I can believe in!
NickTx on December 22, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Oh, every Judas once loved a Jesus
But oh betrayal will seize us
Caught in the middle
Of a dangerous riddle
You may end up in hell
If your principles you sell
Enjoy all the enticements the Devil may pay
There may come a day when you trade your soul away!
PercyB on December 22, 2009 at 8:05 PM
It’s not a good plan, but I believe it’s our biggest weapon in our arsenal for the next couple of weeks.
Most of the people I know, the majority being moonbats, have no idea that this is part of the plan. When you tell them that they’re going to pay now, but won’t be able to drive that shiny new car off the lot until 2014, they go nuts.
And I too spent a couple hours over at HuffPo last night reading those comments and can’t believe how Barry’s followers have turned on him. And I’m really having hard time believing that the hard left progressives in Congress are not hearing them.
Someone is going to cave.
Knucklehead on December 22, 2009 at 8:06 PM
I was here during the amnesty flame out. And I know you’re being an optimist right now, but Stupak didn’t really come through the first time around, so I don’t see a whole lot of reason to pin your hopes to his tail now.
It’s political. That’s it. He gets to talk a good game and show off his pro-life street cred while not angering his party leadership too much. They’ll shelter anyone they need to and pass the Senate bill with little to no changes by a razor thin margin.
I hope I’m wrong and you’re right. I just think I’m being realistic on the percentages here.
BadgerHawk on December 22, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Allah P, this is why I solidly disagree with you with Democrats being not just wrong, but EVIL. How can Nelson weep for the unborn one minute and glad-hand with Reid the next? What a wicked crock this slime-eater is. These POS will rue the day they ever decided to get into politics.
leftnomore on December 22, 2009 at 8:07 PM
Relax….Allah just needed an excuse to put the reaper clip up.
csdeven on December 22, 2009 at 8:09 PM
There is also this.
http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/12/21/stopping-obama-and-the-democrats-in-30-days-or-less-reader-post/#more-31873
redridinghood on December 22, 2009 at 8:10 PM
!!UPDATE!!
Thune is on with Ingram write now saying this thing isn’t over yet. “We will use every proceedural too at our disposal to stop this bill”.
Thune has also been getting mention as a possible candidate in ’12.
Archimedes on December 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM
The House will cave on the Public Option because any bill is a rock solid means to that end eventually.
It’s like allowing only a moderate amount of termites into your wooden house.
It’s no longer a matter of “if”
jjshaka on December 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM
The moral of the story is the less there is for you the more there is for them.
Cheshire Cat on December 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM
We’re praying for the characteristic spinlessness of liberals so our nation isn’t irreversibly damaged.
What a weird world we live in!
Dark-Star on December 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM
A-MEN, Brother! I want Judas Iscariot Nelson to pay, big-time. I want him to face a living hell here in Nebraska to the point that he is compelled to flee his home state in his dotage and retirement.
OmahaConservative on December 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Thirty-nine Democrats voted against the bill. Let’s say over half, twenty, just voted that way to protect their careers. Pelosi will get them to vote for the bill this time around. The question is whether there are twenty Democrats who’ll vote against the bill with no Stupak or public option.
There’s a chance. Stupak has his name on the line; probably his biggest legislative achievement. 10-15 votes there. There might also be 10-15 crazy leftists who’ll vote against it to make a statement.
TimTebowSavesAmerica on December 22, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Yes. It takes only a single senator to block a conference committee. I’m told that right now you’ll have double-digits of Rs ready to do so. It’s the Hail Mary, the last chance. And it could work.
TXUS on December 22, 2009 at 8:13 PM
I think you are right, unfortunately.
bluemarlin on December 22, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Oh I’m definitely betting on the longshot here, I know that. But I for one just can’t live day to day in a funk because of it and just won’t quit being optimistic until I see that final vote tally flash up on C-Span’s screen.
I know Stupak screwed us once. I know it’s political. I just think that if there’s wiggle-room in the abortion funding language big enough for a trial lawyer to squeeze through, three pro-lifers doing the right thing isn’t completely out of the realm of possibility.
Ok, thanks. I don’t paint all liberals with the ‘evil’ brush because I think too many of them are just too stupid to get it. But I do believe that yes, many of them are in fact pathological and ‘evil’ insofar as the ideology they espouse is unquestionably evil, and to follow it knowing so by extension makes one either insane or, evil.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 8:13 PM
OmahaConservative on December 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Cornhuskers, go get your state back!!
leftnomore on December 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Do the Senators even care about their office phone voicemails? Is it just there to absorb the rage? I wonder if the staffers just hit “delete” every morning.
WisCon on December 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Franken and Klobuchar??
Naw, think I’ll pass on that.
Besides, I don’t think they would really like what I call them….
BigWyo on December 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Can you explain the details on this? What would be the process for such a last stand, and the risks involved?
Dark-Star on December 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Michael Ramirez has a great cartoon tonight.
The Declaration of Dependence
rslancer14 on December 22, 2009 at 8:16 PM
I’m all over the Brown scenario too.
Great point. I understand the despair here, I do. But I for one will keep trying to rally the troops until it happens.
Then I’ll gear up with the rest of you for the fight after that one…and the one after that.
russcote on December 22, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Yeah, this piece of crap is gonna die in the piece of crap House. I just laughed up my liver.
LibTired on December 22, 2009 at 8:17 PM
So, if enough Democrats decided to repeal the church/ charitable tax-exemption, it would pass? They can do whatever the H they want because the clowns at the switches want it done? CALLING ALL JUSTICES– isn’t this where they show up?? Obviously the voters have no influence anymore.
leftnomore on December 22, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Alexander and Corker, plus Zach Wamp (my three) have already stated thay are against it. I am available to help badger another couple of Senators.
Pelayo on December 22, 2009 at 8:20 PM
As I understand it this is just a delaying tactic. I believe it just causes a couple of House votes, but I haven’t seen anyone discuss it in depth so I may be wrong.
BadgerHawk on December 22, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Have you folks in Nebraska planned any kind of a ‘welcome home’ party for the sorry POS?
farright on December 22, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Wow, yer state has 3 senators??
You must have had Obama for your Civics teacher.
BigWyo on December 22, 2009 at 8:22 PM
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