Sebelius: Everyone will pay into abortion-coverage fund

posted at 10:12 am on December 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

What constitutes the notion of “public funds”? If the government forces us to pay into a fund, and then controls the distribution of those funds, are those funds not “public”? Morgen at Verum Serum catches a portion of an interview between HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and BlogHer interviewer Morra Aarons-Mele yesterday, in which Sebelius praises the abortion-funding language in the Reid bill, as it maintains a flow of funds for abortion coverage that everyone — and she means everyone — supplies:

SEBELIUS: And I would say that the Senate language, which was negotiated by Senators Barbara Boxer and Patty Murray, who are very strong defenders of women’s health services and choices for women, take a big step forward from where the House left it with the Stupak amendment, and I think do a good job making sure there are choices for women, making sure there are going to be some plan options, and making sure that while public funds aren’t used, we are not isolating, discriminating against, or invading the privacy rights of women. That would be an accounting procedure, but everybody in the exchange would do the same thing, whether you’re male or female, whether you’re 75 or 25, you would all set aside a portion of your premium that would go into a fund, and it would not be earmarked for anything, it would be a separate account that everyone in the exchange would pay.

BLOGHER: It’s a bit confusing, but …

SEBELIUS: Okay. It is a bit confusing, but it’s really an accounting that would apply across the board and not just to women, and certainly not just to women who want to choose abortion coverage.

BLOGHER: Oh, that’s good, that’s good.

It’s only confusing if you bought Ben Nelson’s dodge that Reid had changed the abortion-funding language in any significant way. If the government forces it citizens to pay into premium exchanges and then controls the distribution of that money, then it becomes a public fund in any interpretation. That’s especially true if its intent is to be a slush fund for bureaucrats to apply to whatever purpose they see fit.

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There are only two circumstances under which abortion is emergent: Ectopic pregnancy and going eclamptic before the baby is viable. Both circumstances are rarer than hens’ teeth. By and large, abortion is an elective procedure, much like Lasik or a boob job. If folks are so concerned about the ability of poor women to pay for an elective procedure, voluntarily donate to a private fund.

Sekhmet on December 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Ah – another example of a usually dependable commie POS slipping up and telling the truth. Yes, if the fund that covers abortion receives tribute contributions from you, your money is paying for abortions, regardless of the “accounting” tricks used to hide the fact.

Filecchio on December 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM

There are only two circumstances under which abortion is emergent: Ectopic pregnancy and going eclamptic before the baby is viable. Both circumstances are rarer than hens’ teeth. By and large, abortion is an elective procedure, much like Lasik or a boob job. If folks are so concerned about the ability of poor women to pay for an elective procedure, voluntarily donate to a private fund.

Sekhmet on December 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM

All three of my children were induced early due to my worsening health. The people who claim a late term abortion is due to maternal health reasons are outright liars. When my oldest daughter was finally induced because they were unwilling to wait any longer, the NICU team was in the room to care for her. There is no excuse the slaughter of the child.

TXMomof3 on December 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM

The Democrats are too stupid to lie. Or maybe the Kansas imbecile Sebelius doesn’t understand that she just described forced taxpayer funding for Federally funded abortions.

Either way, she’s an idiot and a liar.

Jaibones on December 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I see a lot of people saying that to avoid paying into abortion, just opt of of the gov’t run healthcare. That doesn’t make any sense to me. I’m not going to have an abortion. We don’t have forced abortions (yet anyway). I don’t want to pay for abortions taking place in the projects and the suburbs in an attempt to exterminate minorities and curb population growth. If I give money to pay for such a procedure, the blood is on my hands.

manzanita and sage on December 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM

All the talk of one child policies for “green” reasons makes me think that there is a reason why they are so desperate to have abortion funding in the bill.

TXMomof3 on December 22, 2009 at 12:01 PM

There are only two circumstances under which abortion is emergent: Ectopic pregnancy and going eclamptic before the baby is viable. Both circumstances are rarer than hens’ teeth.

No, there are more than two. A pregnant woman gets an aggressive cancer and needs chemo and radiation immediately, for instance.

Pablo on December 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM

I emailed Senator Nelson this news using his offices address since I don’t live in Nebraska. Seemed to work.

journeyintothewhirlwind on December 22, 2009 at 12:09 PM

OmahaConservative on December 22, 2009 at 10:15 AM

OT
Nelson’s D.C. lines are full and Omaha number constantly busy, so I left a message in the Scott Bluff office.

yoda on December 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM

My understanding is that you have to write an additional check to the government if you want abortion coverage and funds in the account that receives the second check can only be used for that purpose. They may be federal funds, but they’re restricted federal funds.

Jimbo3 on December 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM

All three of my children were induced early due to my worsening health. The people who claim a late term abortion is due to maternal health reasons are outright liars. When my oldest daughter was finally induced because they were unwilling to wait any longer, the NICU team was in the room to care for her. There is no excuse the slaughter of the child.

TXMomof3 on December 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I’m talking about getting close to stroking out at 19 weeks. If you were capable of being managed until your babies could be induced, you were not that bad off. Usually eclampsia waits until after 20 weeks to start getting bad, but earlier is not unknown, especially if the woman is already in (often self-induced) poor health.

Sekhmet on December 22, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Jimbo3 on December 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Why should there be a federal fund at all? By and large, abortion is an elective procedure. Even taking the objections to abortion out of the equation, it is almost always as elective as a Lasik procedure.

This is a case where leftists mistake having taxpayers fund something as preserving the right to do something.

Sekhmet on December 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I see a major tax revolt comming over this. The IRS/Federal government loses all moral authority to collect taxes once they decide to force people to fund abortions.

Millions of people will simply refuse to pay the IRS. While individually the IRS can beat down people, once this happens in the millions, the IRS is finished. They simply will not have the time or money to collect taxes from an unwilling public, and no where near enough resources to toss millions in jail (for life) for refusing to contribute to the abortion of millions of helpless babies.

Though I am not a right to lifer, I will not contribute money to ANYONES abortion.

Freddy on December 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Ah, so if she takes my money, puts it in her *right* pocket and then uses it to pay for abortions, that could be problematic. But not to worry, she’s going to take some of my money from her *right* pocket, first put it in her *left* pocket, and *then* use it pay for abortions, and I should feel better about that.

I get it.

Midas on December 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM

It’s looking more and more like I’m destined for prison. I will not pay taxes that go to abortion.

hawkdriver on December 22, 2009 at 1:20 PM

What will be the tipping point for an assault on Capitol Hill?

SouthernGent on December 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM

The majority of Americans losing their cable TV, NASCAR races being canceled, cell phone service no longer affordable, outrageous taxes on booze, strip clubs being closed down due to the recession, intermittent blackouts interrupting X-Box games, EMP burst destroying i-Pods…

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM

There is a caller on Beck Radio who refuses to pay taxes for abortion, she says she would rather go to jail.

PEOPLE ARE PISSED OFF.

We are coming. Fear us.

Geochelone on December 22, 2009 at 1:30 PM

If its part of the Socialized health care system I won’t be filing my taxes either…or paying them. Against both my religion and scientific understanding of human conception.
The government is charged with waging war so taxes still have to be paid if you are against war however the government is not charged with providing nationalized healthcare or abortion and I will not pay taxes to support. I will not sin so that socialists can have their way.

theguardianii on December 22, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Heh.

Jaibones on December 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM

1. Why would I, as a Christian, be forced to pay for something that violates Christian principles, such as abortion?
2. I’m constantly told that, as a man, I have no standing in the abortion debate. So why then am I going to have to pay for some woman to have an abortion? You can’t have it both ways. If a man gets a girl pregnant and wishes for her not to have an abortion, then his vote should count, since, after all, his money would go towards the procedure.

Send_Me on December 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM

This is only the beginning…they’ll be limiting family size and birth rate by denying medical care for “unauthorized” pregnancy. In a word, forced abortion, and on our money – there is no limit now that the barn door is open.

Tax revolt April 15.

tigerlily on December 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM

This will not end well for Ben Nelson.

rogersnowden on December 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Millions need to file an IRS six month tax extension, not a tax return, on April 15. And once millions of us have finally done the right thing, we shouldn’t give in and file until abortion is outlawed through a Human Life Amendment.

Accepting abortion in 1973 brought us to this cliff’s edge.

It’s time destroyed the cancer of abortion that we have let poison us for so long; pull it out, root and branch. We must use the strength that our numbers our giving us at this time in history to go all the way and crush the snake’s head.

An incredible side-benefit will be the destruction of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, et al., because like vampires, these political devils actually draw their strength from baby killing.

tigerlily on December 22, 2009 at 2:31 PM

and btw, this thing is bigger than ben nelson, landrieu or any other political hack traitor. I don’t care what happens to them individually, because like obama, WE should be in revolution mode, and making sure that WE preside over, as obama has said with religious fervor, “fundamentally transforming America”.

That’s right. We are going to transform America and take her back to a place of life, liberty and property. WE need to over-run, kick-out, destroy and take down this evil before it’s too late – and November 2010 IMO is too late.

There should be a million person march on the Capitol ASAP.

Once we stop the health care bill, WE don’t stop until WE get OUR country back – without abortion, teacher’s unions (and their porn for schoolchildren), SEIU and every other evil structure that they are literally chaining us to.

tigerlily on December 22, 2009 at 2:40 PM

There should be a million person march on the Capitol ASAP

tigerlily on December 22, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Why? So it can be relegated yet again to “75,000″?

These pinheads running the show and getting theirs in the MSM don’t give a crap about this, and neither do most of the people around us. The rest of them are actually fine with this.

That leaves a few million of us grumblers. Spread out and not even able to agree on many things. By the time folks do decide to do something (strikes, widespread protests, or whatever), it’ll be too late anyway as the Socialists will be too firmly entrenched.

They’ve got us in a huge vice and they’re squeezing slow and hard…and have been for the better part of a century. Feel it yet?

The only solution as I can see it is to let them keep up with this (what choice do we really have anyway?) and let them hang themselves. Sure, they’ll screw up our lives in the meantime, but they must be given enough rope to discredit their ideology.

Do we really want to be hearing 20 years from now, “Oh, well it could have worked if they spent more money, did this, did that…yeah, the government just has to be able to do all this wonderful stuff for us!”?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM

When I say a million person march on the Capitol, I literally mean the Capitol Building. Swarm and lockdown. No business to be transacted. Period.

As far as letting them go ahead with the mess til it falls apart of it’s own corruption, that is a fatalistic view that will in the end be bourne out, but only after untold years of misery, religious persecution, imprisonment, death and the destruction of what Reagan called, “the idea of America”. Yes, obama likes the idea of “global tyranny” so much better.

I am not about to give up so easily. Do you see the Left giving up, or fighting all the harder everytime we poke our heads out?

As Winston Churchill said, “Never, never, never, never, never give up”.

tigerlily on December 22, 2009 at 3:47 PM

P.S. When I say swarm and lockdown, I am not advocating violence or anything more than the fact that one million people at the Capitol building will in fact make it impossible for any business to be done.

tigerlily on December 22, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Smoke, mirrors, and lies!

GFW on December 22, 2009 at 10:19 AM

And murder.

PrincipledPilgrim on December 22, 2009 at 10:15 AM

I guess we go to jail.

Otis B on December 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Yep.

davidk on December 22, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I guess youll call me convict. Not paying a dime for abortions now or ever.

Viper1 on December 22, 2009 at 5:53 PM

This is a case where leftists mistake having taxpayers fund something as preserving the right to do something.

Sekhmet on December 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I beg to differ. This is no mistake, and it has nothing to do with what the left calls “reproductive rights.” One may have the “right” to an abortion without demanding money from unseen others to make it so. This is about control over our lives, not in ones and twos as they’ve managed thus far, but in thousands and millions. The task is made simpler if there are fewer of us to control in the first place.

This is about reducing the number of people born into this world, and more precisely the “wrong sort” of people. This is the left exposing for us that they fail to learn from their own history; that they never did manage to get past the Eugenics movement of a century ago; that they have in fact expanded it to encompass all of mankind, in the form of the VHE movement.

I have heard it said in the past that the “progressive” left worships death. Until this year, I did not believe the claim. More the fool I, but we’re all learning differently now. What these people aim to do is, in point of fact, end the one, human race on this earth.

In short, the progressives are ignoring the lessons from the Age of Dictators that ended in the Second World War, and that laid bare the monstrous horror that is Eugenics for all to see. They seek to run back the clock to the turn of the last century, intellectually speaking, all in the service of their own poorly-defined “greater good.” From that starting point, where can they progress to? In the last two centuries, nearly every scheme for governance and economics has been tried; nearly all have ended in bloodbaths; only one nation has existed through that period largely unchanged in its underpinnings – the United States, founded on a limited government, as nearly toothless domestically as we can make it. This is something of which they cannot be ignorant – so what then do they plan to do differently?

This is what finally convinced me that the progressives are a death cult, because there is no plan for “after.”

This is something that free people are starting to figure out on our own. It’s why strong disapproval of current policies outnumbers all forms of approval. Our message to our so-called “betters” is: Thank you, but we shall have none.

Blacksmith on December 23, 2009 at 12:07 AM

I will not give my money for abortions. Jail me…

Annie on December 23, 2009 at 12:53 AM

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM

When I say a million person march on the Capitol, I literally mean the Capitol Building. Swarm and lockdown. No business to be transacted. Period.

As far as letting them go ahead with the mess til it falls apart of it’s own corruption, that is a fatalistic view that will in the end be bourne out, but only after untold years of misery, religious persecution, imprisonment, death and the destruction of what Reagan called, “the idea of America”. Yes, obama likes the idea of “global tyranny” so much better.

I am not about to give up so easily. Do you see the Left giving up, or fighting all the harder everytime we poke our heads out?

As Winston Churchill said, “Never, never, never, never, never give up”.

tigerlily on December 22, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Of course I agree with your sentiments. However, it is pure fantasy. Any sign that folks are converging on D.C. for such a purpose, they’d put the entire city on lockdown, the politicians will leave, road blocks, folks arrested, military forces called out and so on.

Think about what I’m saying. The FDR/New Deal and the Great Society entitlement programs have been failures and boondoggles of epic proportions…but yet most Americans have never questioned them and as a group belly up to said troughs when convenient or necessary. They have only survived because they’ve been carried on the backs of hard-working Americans in the middle and upper classes. In other words, free enterprise and capitalism allows otherwise doomed Socialist/Libtard programs to survive loooong after they’ve shown themselves to be failures.

In spite of our (unfair) taxation we still live very well…never dawns on most that we could be living better without having to support millions here, the buddies of politicians and giving alms to foreign countries abroad. But, people have comfortable lives so they don’t complain. The don’t ever stop to think how much better it could be if the system were allowed to work as originally intended.

No matter how much money the Dems and RINOs have thrown at poverty, the fact remains that millions of Americans have no intention of working, being responsible, learning a trade, saving for a rainy day, laying down the doobie, the bottle or the crack pipe…Anyone with common sense should know that if these programs worked there would be no poverty. Any idiot can go through a monthly government check in two weeks and complain for the next two how “poor” they are.

But yet, even after the disastrous Johnson presidency they came back for Carter, and then again for Clinton…twice, voted Shrillary into office in NY even after all the scandals, and now Obama. With every Liberal-led administration and/or Congress, it just gets worse.

That’s what I’m talking about. Ending the cycle. Making it so that once again “Democrat” is not synonymous with “Liberal”. Such a bad taste has to be left in the American populace’s mouth that they will never again fall for these “progressives” and their rantings and guilt trips.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 23, 2009 at 2:27 AM

Millions need to file an IRS six month tax extension, not a tax return, on April 15. And once millions of us have finally done the right thing, we shouldn’t give in and file until abortion is outlawed through a Human Life Amendment.

Accepting abortion in 1973 brought us to this cliff’s edge.

It’s time destroyed the cancer of abortion that we have let poison us for so long; pull it out, root and branch. We must use the strength that our numbers our giving us at this time in history to go all the way and crush the snake’s head.

An incredible side-benefit will be the destruction of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, et al., because like vampires, these political devils actually draw their strength from baby killing.

tigerlily on December 22, 2009 at 2:31 PM

–You are never going to get a Human Life US Constitutional Amendment passed by the required number of states. You can’t even get one state to pass a human life amendment to its constitution or real significant abortion restrictions (like in Colorado and North or South Dakota). You didn’t even get enough votes to put a human life amendment on the ballot in Michigan.

Jimbo3 on December 23, 2009 at 8:58 AM

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