Will people comply with health-insurance mandate?

posted at 12:15 pm on December 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Now that the Senate appears to be on its way to imposing the very first federal mandate in American history for residents to buy insurance, a number of questions will need to be answered.  We’ve already done more exploration on the issue of constitutionality than Congress has bothered to do, but compliance and enforcement have not received enough attention.  Enforcement will come through the IRS under the current plan, as the IRS is the single most knowledgeable federal agency on health-care issues and insurance coverage probity … nah, I’m just kidding.  They’re the government agency with the best experience in kneecapping, which is why the Democrats decided to hand them even more power over our lives.

But what about compliance?  Nick Gillespie points to an interesting argument offered by the Obama administration on this point, reported by USA Today, that says that a natural compunction to do what’s right will ensure compliance:

White House budget director Peter Orszag says penalty size isn’t the only factor in determining whether people buy coverage. He predicts the mandate will help create societal expectations that everyone gets health insurance, just as most people feel obligated to buckle their seat belts.

He points to Massachusetts, which in 2007 became the first state to require that most residents have insurance. Since then, the percentage of uninsured has declined to 4% from about 7%.

The Massachusetts penalty for failing to buy insurance this year is $1,068 — about half the cost of the lowest annual premium. About 96% of tax filers in the state in 2008 reported they had coverage; only 1% paid a penalty.

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, which assesses the impact of legislation, says the number of people opting to pay the penalty instead of buying coverage would be “limited.”

Others aren’t so sanguine.

“Engineering social norms is hard,” says Jeffrey Munn, a principal with the consulting firm Hewitt in Washington. “We may need to temper our expectations around what an individual mandate can actually accomplish.”

A recent CBO report provides a few examples of Americans who don’t follow existing mandates:

  • Most states have required seat belt use for about two decades, yet 18% of Americans still don’t buckle up.
  • Schools have required children to get immunized for chickenpox since the 1990s, but 15% don’t get vaccinated.
  • Nearly all states require drivers to buy car insurance, but 15% don’t comply.

Let’s put those numbers in perspective. At the moment, we have an uninsured rate of 13%, which includes illegal immigrants and millions who opt to pay cash rather than buy comprehensive coverage. Only about 14 million people don’t have insurance because of financial inability to pay (rather than a choice to use their money for other purposes). In other words, we already have better compliance on insurance without a mandate than we do on these existing mandates.

The people who don’t buy insurance do so because it costs more than it’s worth.  That will still be true after the mandate passes.  As Nick explains in his blog post at Reason, the penalties don’t really change that calculus much:

So what percentage of Americans won’t buy mandated insurance? It’s not clear, though it seems a no-brainer that if the penalty is only $95, many won’t, at least at first. And the non-compliants (a term with Philip K. Dickian resonance and one that I’m sure will become common parlance if and when the current miscarriage of health care reform passes) will be concentrated among the relatively young and healthy, precisely the demographic that the government wants to pull into the pool to lower costs and raise revenues. But that’s OK, because we have ways of making them work, right?

The mandates will both increase the participation in the pool of higher-risk patients and increase demand for services from providers.  That will have the same effect nationally as we have seen in Massachusetts and Maine, which is to make insurance premiums much more costly, wait times for services lengthen, and eventually put providers and insurers out of business if they can’t raise prices to meet those conditions.  Even with higher penalties imposed by the IRS, many of these non-compliants will still resist the notion of subsidizing cheaper prices for higher-risk people when they could handle their own costs without third-party payers.

Oh, and don’t forget the side benefit of making a vast new class of criminals out of people who only want to be responsible for their own costs, and not everyone else’s.  We should be asking Congress why they want to sic the IRS on such people, rather than make it easier for everyone else to handle their medical care in the same efficient manner with some real reform based on eliminating third-party payers from the system altogether.

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I won’t! They can kiss my ass. F Reid, F Pelosi, and F Obama a thousand times.

elduende on December 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM

The “Rock the Vote” kids wanted their liberty…and now they will get it.

WashJeff on December 21, 2009 at 12:20 PM

No. They don’t have the right to mandate it.

Vashta.Nerada on December 21, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Mr. Olbermann will be the first test case. That could be interesting.

Cindy Munford on December 21, 2009 at 12:21 PM

I was under the impression Massachusetts numbers got worse after the mandate.

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:21 PM

One of the great things about America, that sets it apart from many other nations, is how respectful most people are of the law here. There are plenty of nations where tax avoidance is a national pastime, people will break any traffic law they can get away with, etc. But with government getting bigger and bigger, and trying to dictate more and more of our lives – I wonder if these days are numbered.

kc8ukw on December 21, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I won’t comply. Send me to jail.

txag92 on December 21, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Tricare is a cattilac plan.

Thats the entire us military.

sonofdy on December 21, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Now that the Senate appears to be on its way to imposing the very first federal mandate in American history for residents to buy insurance

Residents? Try “citizens.” I can think of several million “residents” that won’t be required to buy anything, yet will likely be covered all the same.

Only citizens will have the privilege of being muscled by the IRS.

Missy on December 21, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I’m an expat living overseas. They can shove this mandate up their ass.

anticucho on December 21, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I was under the impression Massachusetts numbers got worse after the mandate.

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:21 PM

I thought they did too. I would like to see where those numbers came from. I also remember reading recently that Mass Care had to yet again get a loan from the general fund.

Johnnyreb on December 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM

I guess I will be on the IRS hitlist, I can’t afford HC right now and am not sure if I would buy in if I could. So come and get me! But I won’t go quietly!

HotAirExpert on December 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Oops, I remembered wrong

Although the state has reduced the number of residents without health insurance, 200,000 people remain uninsured. Moreover, the increase in the number of insured is primarily due to the state’s generous subsidies, not the celebrated individual mandate.

linky

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM

NO.

It’s revolution time.

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM

If the GOP does not support lawsuits over the constitutionality of this they don’t deserve to be in power.

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:26 PM

White House budget director Peter Orszag says penalty size isn’t the only factor in determining whether people buy coverage. He predicts the mandate will help create societal expectations that everyone gets health insurance, just as most people feel obligated to buckle their seat belts.

And yet we have seen an Obama administration and administration nominees who have had federal obligations to pay taxes and the like, but they have just blithely gone about their lives ignoring those responsibilities. That is, until they wanted to write federal policy, then they expected to be forgiven because they finally did the right thing.

myrenovations on December 21, 2009 at 12:26 PM

They’re the government agency with the best experience in kneecapping, which is why the Democrats decided to hand them even more power over our lives.

Wait….are we talking about ACORN?

BacaDog on December 21, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I too, will not comply. I’m calling it “dissent” -which make me patriotic.

BKeyser on December 21, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I guess I will be on the IRS hitlist, I can’t afford HC right now and am not sure if I would buy in if I could. So come and get me! But I won’t go quietly!

HotAirExpert on December 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Same here, yeah funemployment! At this rate, with the job killing crap in this bill, I’ll have to move in with family but at least I’ll get “healthcare” oh boy!

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:27 PM

you kidding me? I don’t think most of the people know about the mandate, and once they find out, it’s going to piss a lot of people off.

deidre on December 21, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Is that picture reversed or did you get it from the UK?

davidk on December 21, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Orszag is the worst kind of Govt policymaker. He plans optimistically. Jeez, that guy needs to fired.

Robert_Paulson on December 21, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Enforcement will come through the IRS under the current plan, as the IRS is …the government agency with the best experience in kneecapping, which is why the Democrats decided to hand them even more power over our lives.

A free society depends on the vast majority of taxes being paid through voluntary concensus.

That is now officially a thing of the past. As is the concept of an “income tax”. From now on, American government will be financed through confiscation.

For all practical purposes, the IRS will soon be running EVERYTHING in this country.

logis on December 21, 2009 at 12:32 PM

As more and more Americans find out about this debacle the more people are going to resist. Here come the insurance police…

d1carter on December 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM

He predicts the mandate will help create societal expectations that everyone gets health insurance,

Enough with the social engineering already.

forest on December 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM

If the GOP does not support lawsuits over the constitutionality of this they don’t deserve to be in power.

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Screw the GOP at this point.

This isn’t about politics anymore. This is about my livelihood, my freedom, my liberties. The United States government has gone rogue and usurped its authority over our great states and over our individual sovereignty guaranteed to us by the Constitution. This is not negotiable. This is not something we hide behind a partisan flag. This is something we fight as a nation… otherwise we are well on the same course Chavez has moved Venezuela on.

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Not going to participate. (As if I could afford it!) If I can get the money together, I’m buying a gun.

joe_doufu on December 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Will people comply with health-insurance mandate?

The problem is, if the people don’t comply, then because of the must issue provisions in this bill, insurance will get very very expensive.

At which point the govt will step in, with the claim that insurance companies are gouging the people, and single payer is the only solution.

MarkTheGreat on December 21, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I strongly reject the premise this whole thing is over healthcare. It’s completely about centralizing power to the federal government. This bill is unconstitutional, period. It doesn’t matter how much this or that aspect will actually cost taxpayers, while this percentage of people will be insured, blah, blah, blah. That’s all debates that accept the premise there is legitimacy in the Obamacare. It is unconstitutional, so it is irrelevant what the consequences it will have on the country. Being fundamentally wrong from the very beginning is all that is necessary when talking about this bill.

Weebork on December 21, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I won’t! They can kiss my ass. F Reid, F Pelosi, and F Obama a thousand times.

elduende on December 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM

The Chicken thanks you for not including him on that list.

Old Hippie Vet on December 21, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Not going to participate. (As if I could afford it!) If I can get the money together, I’m buying a gun.
joe_doufu on December 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM

In the very near future, that’s the only insurance policy that’s going to do anyone a damned bit of good.

logis on December 21, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Politically, the piece of this bill that will almost certainly grow in unpopularity is the mandate to get health insurance.

The health insurance card will become the new drivers license / Social Security Number.

Robert_Paulson on December 21, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Wait until most people find out that they have a “cadillac” plan and will be taxed.

smrtas1 on December 21, 2009 at 12:37 PM

The problem is, if the people don’t comply, then because of the must issue provisions in this bill, insurance will get very very expensive.

At which point the govt will step in, with the claim that insurance companies are gouging the people, and single payer is the only solution.

MarkTheGreat on December 21, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Yup! All in all, we will be getting a single-payer system. They wouldn’t vote for anything that they didn’t think would turn into single payer in the end.

deidre on December 21, 2009 at 12:37 PM

I have insurance and Im so pixxed I want to drop it just to say frak youuu congress

yeah bitter, clingy, nose cutting face spitin’ Democratic woman, thats me

ginaswo on December 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I won’t comply. Send me to jail.

txag92 on December 21, 2009 at 12:22 PM

My sentiments exactly, however, they’ve set up a system that can be easily gamed, and I predict it will.

The penalty for not buying insurance is, I think, $750. So, if you’re reasonably healthy, you pay this amount instead of the, say, $6,000 per year premiums, thus saving $5,250 per year.

For regular check-ups and minor matters, negotiate and pay the doctor in cash from those savings. Believe me, doctors will be glad to do this off the books. In fact, the medical underground is going to be a fast growing industry.

Now, if you get sick or it looks like you’re going to need surgery or other expensive procedures or medications, buy the insurance. The insurance companies won’t be able to turn you down.

I realize this won’t work for everyone, and it may need to be tweaked or we might even find other loopholes.

In the meantime, we continue the war and vote as many of these vermin out of office as we can, to undo this disaster.

TXUS on December 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I will not submit. See you in the gulag.

Zippy_Slug on December 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I will refuse to comply. I will not pay their fine(s), and if they choose to put me in jail, fine. If millions of us do not comply, we will so overload the legal system, and they won’t know what hit them!
I will go so far as to close all my bank accounts so the government cannot take my money by force to pay any fines!
Me thinks the American people are at the end of their rope. The dems will realize too late that they have slit their own throats!

GFW on December 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM

smrtas1
wait til they find out they will STILL be preexed as adults thru 2014

I cannot WAIT to hear how that goes over, ESPECIALLY after the taxes and fines

ginaswo on December 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM

has anyone found rhe expemtoion for labor form the excise tax yet?

I KNOW it is in there…

ginaswo on December 21, 2009 at 12:39 PM

It would not surprise me one bit for the irs to take the money from the SS checks the seniors are getting. They could get into our bank checking and savings and even go into our stocks mm account. The irs can get into every nook in our lives.
L

letget on December 21, 2009 at 12:39 PM

During a floor speech, he excoriated Senate GOP members for up holding the pending health care bill and accused their supporters of being birthers and fanatics in right-wing militia and Aryan support groups.

THIS is our US Senate… This is what you get when you disagree with their legislation. You want to negotiate with this?

http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/dec/20/sen-whitehouse-foes-health-care-bill-are-birthers-/

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Might as well go ahead and create a “prison” tax to cover the cost of imprisoning me. Will this make me a POLITICAL PRISONER?

THE CHOSEN ONE on December 21, 2009 at 12:39 PM

The best part of all of this is that there’s no way in hell that the insurance we get through my husband’s work is going to meet their guidelines. His company will drop the program all together since it will cost them far less to do so, and we’ll end up in the magical pool that may or may not be government run.

Horray. Remember that time Obama said we could keep our insurance if we liked it? He lied.

Vera on December 21, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Wait until most people find out that they have a “cadillac” plan and will be taxed.

smrtas1 on December 21, 2009 at 12:37 PM

The problem is that very few of the people who have their insurance policies increase in cost will find out that it is due to new taxes. They will just blame the insurance company, and demand that govt to do something to make insurace cheaper.

MarkTheGreat on December 21, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I will not be regulated.

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 12:42 PM

The Chicken thanks you for not including him on that list.

Old Hippie Vet on December 21, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Ok, at the risk of sounding lost, who is “the Chicken”?

has anyone found rhe expemtoion for labor form the excise tax yet?

I KNOW it is in there…

ginaswo on December 21, 2009 at 12:39 PM

the longshoremen are specifically exempted in the so called “managers amendment”

elduende on December 21, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Will the government garnish pay to get the money? How will collections work when people decide not to buy it?

wiseprince on December 21, 2009 at 12:44 PM

‘Residents? Try “citizens.”’

No … “subjects” is the word for which you are looking.

enginemike on December 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM

I have an idea for an anti-ObamaCare add. The clip is in a prison background with a big, ugly, swastika tatooed prisoner who says “I need a new ‘mandate’ so please disregard the mandate.”

farright on December 21, 2009 at 12:46 PM

A-HA!! I frakkin KNEW I1!!

Jay Cost notes the LABOR exception to the excise tax in the post in headlines up top:

-Longshoremen. They were added to the list of workers in high-risk professions who are shielded from the full impact of a proposed new tax on high-value insurance plans.

ginaswo on December 21, 2009 at 12:46 PM

The only reason there is a mandate, for a socialist ponzi scheme to stand a chance at working, they need the wealthy to be forced into it.

Congress is drooling over the portion of their so-called 30 million that can afford insurance, but chooses not to purchase it.

Otherwise they would be more focused on those who already qualify for programs but also choose not to sign up, which we could have done without ‘Comprehensive Health Care Reform’.

cntrlfrk on December 21, 2009 at 12:46 PM

wiseprince

good questions, Obama threw them at HRC all thru our primaries when he was ‘against’the mandate

ginaswo on December 21, 2009 at 12:47 PM

thanks elduende!
I knew it!!
those frakkers!

ginaswo on December 21, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Liberals: You have a right to healthcare. And we have the power to make you pay for it!

gwelf on December 21, 2009 at 12:48 PM

There is not going to be enough room in the jails,Ed.

ohiobabe on December 21, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Will the government garnish pay to get the money? How will collections work when people decide not to buy it?

wiseprince on December 21, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Using the same mechanisms they did with seat belt laws and anti-smoking laws

First the peer pressure ad campaign to demonize non-believers.
Then the seat belt laws where you can’t be pulled over for not wearing a seat belt but if you get pulled over for another reason then you get fined.
Then the stronger seat belt laws where they setup road blocks to verify your compliance, citizen.

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Seat belts are NOT regulated by the Federal Government.

The Feds put language in the Federal Highway bills that States without mandatory seat belt laws wouldn’t get the cash. Same with 21 drinking age etc.

So strings attached to the cash.

barnone on December 21, 2009 at 12:49 PM

ps is anyone surprised Orszag thinks size doesnt matter?

Bueller?

sorry couldnt help it

ginaswo on December 21, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Oh, and don’t forget the side benefit of making a vast new class of criminals out of people who only want to be responsible for their own costs, and not everyone else’s.

I’m going to be an outlaw!

Blake on December 21, 2009 at 12:50 PM

There must be better ways to fight against this monarchy then simply just “not buy insurance”. Sure that probably helps, but we need more.

Any ideas?

darwin on December 21, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Might as well go ahead and create a “prison” tax to cover the cost of imprisoning me. Will this make me a POLITICAL PRISONER?

THE CHOSEN ONE on December 21, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Intereting choice, free room and board at club fed. I might have to consider this.

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM

As a retired (and disabled) 64 year old, I have no choice…I won’t be paying ANY federal insurance premiums, and I will NOT “report” to the gulag voluntarily. They’ll have to come and find me first….and good luck on that!

GoldenEagle4444 on December 21, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Using the same mechanisms they did with seat belt laws and anti-smoking laws

First the peer pressure ad campaign to demonize non-believers.
Then the seat belt laws where you can’t be pulled over for not wearing a seat belt but if you get pulled over for another reason then you get fined.
Then the stronger seat belt laws where they setup road blocks to verify your compliance, citizen.

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 12:49 PM

That has pissed me off for awhile. Indiana used to just have it as an additional fine when you got pulled over for another reason then blammo! You can get pulled over just for that! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:57 PM

oh, and I choose to wear my seatbelt.

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:58 PM

I loathe these democrats. Fascists….all of them!

capejasmine on December 21, 2009 at 12:58 PM

If pre-existing conditions can’t be factored into the premium then it makes no sense whatsoever to buy health insurance if the penalty is just $750 a year. Naturally, people will choose to pay as they go for the minor things and if something major happens, like a bad accident, heart disease, cancer, etc., they will simply buy a gold-plated cover everything policy at that time.

WarEagle01 on December 21, 2009 at 12:58 PM

I’m willing to keep buying insurance provided I can:

1) Keep my current high-deductible plan;
2) Keep my HSA;
3) My premiums don’t increase exponentially

I would keep it for my own peace of mind and not b/c I’m being required to do so. However, if I am forced to start paying higher premiums (which seems inevitable) for a product I rarely use and have purchased only to protect me in the event of a catastrophe, and/or my current high deductible plan is deemed not “qualified” per Kathleen Sebelius, I will drop it, pay the penalty, and take my chances. I assume since the lofty, altruistic goal of this beast with ten heads is to ensure I don’t bankrupt myself in the event of a catastrophic injury or illness, I can get right back on the rolls even after I’ve gotten sick. What do I have to lose?

NoLeftTurn on December 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM

The IRS doesn’t audit you for not buckling up.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM

If we’re all in jail for not paying the mandated penalty, we still can’t pay the mandated penalty.

/Congress opens door into face

fossten on December 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM

I think people will comply, unless they can’t. The problem is that I think most people actually can’t.

They’ll be forced to apply for subsidies, which is a lot like welfare application.

That will deter a lot of people.

Then, compliance enforcement will be huge.

AnninCA on December 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Intereting choice, free room and board at club fed. I might have to consider this.

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM

As long as i get internet and can bring my dog i’m in.

heshtesh on December 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM

About 96% of tax filers in the state in 2008 reported they had coverage; only 1% paid a penalty.

So you’re saying 1% were STUPID enough to say, “I don’t have insurance”. Where’s the CHECK that the other 96% do have insurance? Just on their word?

Guess the assholes in Washington will find out when all that money for their “health care reform” doesn’t appear.

GarandFan on December 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM

I loathe these democrats. Fascists….all of them!

capejasmine on December 21, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Yes, and the masks are off for all to see.

farright on December 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM

oh, and I choose to wear my seatbelt.

aikidoka on December 21, 2009 at 12:58 PM

And remember, in Indiana it’s LEGAL to ride without a motorcycle helmet!

I’m all for wearing seat belts and wearing your helmet which I do most of the time. I’m just against mandatory safety laws. (Airbags on the other hand…)

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM

I won’t comply. Send me to jail.

txag92 on December 21, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Ahh, they’re a step ahead of you. In jail you will get free mandatory health coverage under ObamaCare!!!

(Watch out for the death panels!)

dtestard on December 21, 2009 at 1:02 PM

People should threat this entire bill as unlawful and unconstitutional. In fact, Congress should be treated the same way.

darwin on December 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM

We should be asking Congress why they want to sic the IRS on such people, rather than make it easier for everyone else to handle their medical care in the same efficient manner with some real reform based on eliminating third-party payers from the system altogether.

Asking what Congress “should” be doing as a matter of wise public policy is an exercise in naive futility. By voting to close debate on a bill that nobody has seen, that would eventually nationalize the entire health care industry, and that will hemorrhage money that our already-bankrupt government does not have and has little hope of ever getting — increased taxes or not — our elected representatives have made it perfectly clear that craven political interests will trump the interests of wise public policy hands down.

Cicero43 on December 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Sarah’s next facebook post: Prison Panels

farright on December 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Well, we are pretty sure they woun’t send usto Gittmo. Oh wait…

MikeA on December 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Ahh, they’re a step ahead of you. In jail you will get free mandatory health coverage under ObamaCare!!!

(Watch out for the death panels!)

dtestard on December 21, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Free healthcare, room & board, and food. Sounds like a liberal’s wet dream.

txag92 on December 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM

All of this makes perfect sense IF the health care bill had anything to do with 1) health insurance or 2) health care. Since the real intent of the bill is simply to put a bureaucracy in place for future use…

texabama on December 21, 2009 at 1:07 PM

The healthcare benefits don’t kick in until 2013, I think, but we all get higher extortion (tax) rates starting next year. So, we all won’t get a chance to NOT participate until four years from now. Somehow, I don’t think we’re all going to make it until then – especially if amnesty passes and, as a result, the 2010 elections change NOTHING.

hogfat on December 21, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I think people will comply, unless they can’t. The problem is that I think most people actually can’t.

They’ll be forced to apply for subsidies, which is a lot like welfare application.

That will deter a lot of people.

Then, compliance enforcement will be huge.

AnninCA on December 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Nail, head, pile driver.

Connecting the DAPD’s* that come with every civilian vehicle made for decades costs you…what…ten seconds? Compliance with seatbelt laws is a breeze. But compliance with the insurance mandate in the middle of a recession? Not even close.

*Darwin Award Prevention Devices. My aunt is a rural nurse.

Dark-Star on December 21, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Any ideas?

darwin on December 21, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Everyone quit your job (if you have one) and start your own cash only business?

txag92 on December 21, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Like it or not you now live in a fascist state. The great Republic we once had is nothing but a proud memory.

rplat on December 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM

At one point they were thinking of not allowing high deductible insurance plans. Anyone know what’s in the bill regarding this? If they take away high deductible plans, I won’t be able to afford health insurance. Can I choose jail time instead of paying a fine?

GCM on December 21, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Like it or not you now live in a fascist state. The great Republic we once had is nothing but a proud memory.

rplat on December 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM

The bill hasn’t passed… yet… Also this is just the tripping point. There’s a lot of legislation that needs to be undone that’s been imposed upon us over the last several decades.

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I don’t plan on complying either I also don’t plan on paying my taxes should Abortion be covered. I’m opposed to supporting abortion on both religious and scientific grounds. I have the freedom of religion in this country and being forced to pay for abortion is making me a party to a sin that I wish to be no part of. It also makes me party to one of the most severe infringements of human rights known to Mankind.

I plan to put all my confiscatory goods into possession of my wife. File separately but I will pay no tax to uncle Sam so long as he is supporting abortion. The left will point to their opposition of War and them paying taxes as proof that we don’t always agree with what the government does however War is something that the government is actually charged with waging…abortion is not.

This is more than a culture war now it is a war for our very liberty and freedom from tyrants.

theguardianii on December 21, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I think a new agency would be best suited to enforce this new mandate. Call it the Ministry of Love or something.

TheMightyMonarch on December 21, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Let them do what they will. Our Con-gress is a bunch of Nazi Fascist. Impose their will upon me? Run me?
“Give me Liberty or give me Death!”

In the end, “Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord!” I and all Americans will be avenged.

Lotta words, i know. Gotta ask yourself, what do you have to lose? Me, nothing. This life, this miserable life of no hopes, no dreams, taken by those imperialist, means nothing.
Suddenly, becoming a martyr doesn’t seem bad.

Orion Prime on December 21, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Nail, head, pile driver.

Connecting the DAPD’s* that come with every civilian vehicle made for decades costs you…what…ten seconds? Compliance with seatbelt laws is a breeze. But compliance with the insurance mandate in the middle of a recession? Not even close.

*Darwin Award Prevention Devices. My aunt is a rural nurse.

Dark-Star on December 21, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Compliance is the whole issue. Nobody argues that seatbelts aren’t good ideas. The point is, for liberty to mean anything, we have to have the right to do “stupid” stuff like drive without seat belts on. Eat cheeseburgers. Smoke cigarettes. Read playboy.
Just because it’s easy to comply with seatbelt laws doesn’t make them any less wrong.

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 1:16 PM

The self employed, those most affected by this bill, will greatly understate their incomes to qualify for the government subsidy. I do not know a person under 40 without a pre existing condition that has health insurance. Of the building contractors I know that do, they have catastrophic with enormous deductibles, to keep their cost down. None, and I mean none, will voluntarily pay $500 a month or more for something they have never had.

patrick neid on December 21, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Are all of those Democrat senators really fascists . . . or are they simply stupid? It could be that dingy Harry has had them marching in lock step so long that they’ve lost their will to resist. On the other hand, they probably are fascists because as that great 20th century philosopher Forrest Gump said: “stupid is as stupid does’.

rplat on December 21, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Health Care Nullification underway!

DerKrieger on December 21, 2009 at 1:20 PM

The democrat party yesterday, on the floor of the United States Senate, proclaimed health care to be a right, a natural right, a human right. You can not be denied treatment if health care is a right.

Thus, there is no need to buy health insurance because the medical community must treat your affliction.

Skandia Recluse on December 21, 2009 at 1:20 PM

I will not comply. Call it civil disobedience or passive resistance or what have you–I will not comply.

Matt Helm on December 21, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I’m 58 with a 54 year old wife. We will only buy insurance if one of us develops a serious health problem, where insurance costs less than paying cash. The moment our health improves, we’ll cancel our policy. Don’t forget too, that the penalty only applies if the cost of your policy is no more than about 10% of your income. So people our age won’t be penalized because the policy cost will far exceed that.

So all the young suckers will subsidize us in the event of a health issue. But young people insisted on handing dictatorial power to the Democratic Party so why should I have any sympathy for them? When a country moves headlong into socialism everyone should screw the government every single way they can to survive. We won’t cooperate in the slightest–and I’ll guess millions will do what we’ll do. Screw the socialists and every last loser who voted for the Dems!!

BillCarson on December 21, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Everyone should call their health insurance agents and tell them they want to cancel since the government is going to supply them with it now. Of course the agent will have to explain that is not the case. Enough people do it and the dems will have to come out and say oh no that is not what happened, stop canceling. Ah, good times.

kahall on December 21, 2009 at 1:23 PM

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