Quotes of the day
posted at 10:17 pm on December 21, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Consider the president’s leadership style, which has now become clear: deliver a moving speech, move on, and when push comes to shove, leave it to others to decide what to do if there’s a conflict, because if there’s a conflict, he doesn’t want to be anywhere near it…
“Like most Americans I talk to, when I see the president on television, I now change the channel the same way I did with Bush. With Bush, I couldn’t stand his speeches because I knew he meant what he said. I knew he was going to follow through with one ignorant, dangerous, or misguided policy after another. With Obama, I can’t stand them because I realize he doesn’t mean what he says — or if he does, he just doesn’t have the fire in his belly to follow through. He can’t seem to muster the passion to fight for any of what he believes in, whatever that is. He’d make a great queen — his ceremonial addresses are magnificent — but he prefers to fly Air Force One at 60,000 feet and ‘stay above the fray.’…
“I don’t honestly know what this president believes. But I believe if he doesn’t figure it out soon, start enunciating it, and start fighting for it, he’s not only going to give American families hungry for security a series of half-loaves where they could have had full ones, but he’s going to set back the Democratic Party and the progressive movement by decades, because the average American is coming to believe that what they’re seeing right now is ‘liberalism,’ and they don’t like what they see. I don’t, either.”
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“If this health care legislation becomes law, Democrats will attempt to use the new infrastructure they built to add stricter regulations, more subsidies, and additional mandates. They will continue to incrementally expand existing government-run programs such as Medicaid. And as health care spending spirals out of control, instead of faulting government intervention, liberals will blame the absence of a public option…
“All along, opponents of the pending legislation have argued that it was just one step on the long march to a government takeover of health care. And now, with victory in sight, Democrats are proving their critics’ point.”
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“True, if Republicans had played ball, they would have been in a position to eliminate the public option, demand deficit neutrality, and so forth … but they had Democratic centrists to do that work for them, and they won all those battles, to some extent at least, without having to vote for the final bill. Whereas winning the larger war, over the design of the legislation, was probably beyond their capabilities whatever negotiating strategy they took…
“In the end, when the history of the health care debate is written, I don’t think any of the choices that G.O.P. lawmakers made this year will loom particularly large. The choices that they made, or didn’t make, across the last fifteen years are what made all the difference. Between the defeat of Clintoncare and the election of Barack Obama, the Republicans had plenty of chances to take ownership of the health care issue and pass a significant reform along more free-market, cost-effective lines. They didn’t. The system deteriorated on their watch instead. And now they’re suffering the consequences.”









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DerKrieger on December 21, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Wah! We eleceted a Communist dictator and he refuses to destroy America any faster than he is! Waaaah!
mankai on December 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Nullification.
DerKrieger on December 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM
He believes you’re a sucker.
Fletch54 on December 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Yah if only the GOP had rented themselves a battering ram from EZ Rental (5 convenient DC locations) and bashed down the doors which had been locked by the ‘rats, they could have had some input.
Liberals try to be dumb, I think.
Bishop on December 21, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Hopey/Changey’s Perception/Deception OnGoing NeverEnding
Campaign!!!
canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Will the real Obama please stand up!!
canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Well, that part is definitely right. The GOP is such a disappointment.
deidre on December 21, 2009 at 10:25 PM
The lefties forget that dictators like to purge critics on their own side nearly as much as they do the opposition.
justltl on December 21, 2009 at 10:25 PM
How many times have tort reform and individual health accounts been brought up?
ddrintn on December 21, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
============================================================
From HuffPuff!!
Give’m more rope,the Liberal Party is hanging itself quite
nicely!
canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Wrong Captain Analysis, everyone is going to suffer. And for a long, long time.
fogw on December 21, 2009 at 10:26 PM
LOL…terrific.
ddrintn on December 21, 2009 at 10:27 PM
“..just one step on the long march”
Yeah, we have seen this before…
Seven Percent Solution on December 21, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Largely because of posturing by nominal “moderates” like you, Douchehat.
spmat on December 21, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I’ll admit that I waffle on what the hell the President actually believes.
Sometimes I think he’s a hardcore marxist, because it’s difficult to imagine someone is so economically retarded that the downward spiral the nation’s on isn’t intentional.
But more often I think the guy’s just a utopian leftist with no practical real world experience of any kind who has bathed in progressive juices his entire life. And he’s surrounded by people just like him. People that are convinced a progressive ideology can stand up to economic realities, simply because they can tinker with the parts better than all the other leftists around the globe who’ve tried and failed.
BadgerHawk on December 21, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Yeah, I go for the latter explanation. A clueless leftie.
ddrintn on December 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM
I hope the Air Force One crew is getting a holiday break, they deserve it.
d1carter on December 21, 2009 at 10:31 PM
A commenter once posted here, said:
We are there now with socialism taking hold of our system of government. If you want an example of how this will ultimately turn out. Just check out the other Frankenstein monster, Social Security.
A ponzi scheme is a ponzi scheme no matter how you stack the deck. They start robbing your payroll taxes now, only to pay for a system that is doomed to failure. That’s going terribly difficult, if not impossible, to remove.
Kini on December 21, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Yep, elect an ‘empty suit’ and 11 months later you finally discover He NEVER WAS A LEADER.
GarandFan on December 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM
A Moronomarxist.
justltl on December 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Utopian leftists are usually hardcore Marxists, and they’re always smarter than the last batch of Utopian Marxists.
thomasaur on December 21, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Then start fighting back at the state level by supporting conservative candidates who will support nullification.
DerKrieger on December 21, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Ooooh, self-loathing. What they’re seeing IS liberalism.
ddrintn on December 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM
No.
Will the real Osama Obama please leave the freekin’ country!
It’s clear he prefers the wonderful wonderfulness of exotic lands, such as Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea or Somalia. He’d get even more mindless adoration in those places, too.
The news has been sop awful the past few days. Hearing that the Chicago Jesus finally decided to do something right for the country he perjuriously swore to defend and bugged the hell out would improve my mood considerably.
MrScribbler on December 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM
One can only hope setting back the liberal agenda happens at breakneck speed and continues into perpetuity.
anXdem on December 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM
This is the essence of Obama. This and a narcissistic need for approval.
Ted Torgerson on December 21, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Warren Buffet was someone that I admired. His company, Berkshire Hathaway, in an insurance holding company and is domiciled in the state of Nebraska.
I wonder what Buffet gets out of this and how much arm twisting he did to senator Spineless Nelson.
Vince on December 21, 2009 at 10:37 PM
“I don’t honestly know what this president believes.
Obama believes in Obama.
TN Mom on December 21, 2009 at 10:39 PM
You see, that’s the thing. The libs were going to shove that “full loaf” on us, and people started speaking out against it in town halls and in polling data. That necessitated the “half loaf” instead of the “full loaf” which this writer apparently thinks is what everyone really wanted in the first place. How dense.
ddrintn on December 21, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Get a brain and a clue. What the average American is seeing right now is liberalism and that’s why they don’t like what they see.
MB4 on December 21, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Ahh, utopia, the GOP could have fixed everything if only they had the desire. The fact that most people are happy with the system that exists might have something to do with that. The fact that Democrats blocked any kind of tort reform etc might also have had something to do with it..and the fact that no Republican president in years and years had the kind of majorities that Obama had might also have had something to do with it. Even if the Republicans had tried to do more reform, the Democrats were still going to go after universal coverage as soon as they had the votes to do it.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Obama scratchs the dome!!!
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=13399
canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Anyone who can totally out jive the Clinton’s on the campaign trail while simultaneously wrapping himself securely in plausible deniability with voters from the likes of Ayers, Rezko and Wright is cunning and dangerous. Do not underestimate the amateur and what his motives are. Look at who he aligns himself with in cabinet and policy positions.
Fletch54 on December 21, 2009 at 10:42 PM
I think this is true.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:43 PM
What consequences? The Republican’s seem to be reaping political benefit.
MB4 on December 21, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Obama’s Trinity is of the most Unholiest.
Me, Myself and I
Kini on December 21, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Oh, I don’t know. Everyone of those GOP Senators voted no on this damn bill, if we had one more socalled disappointing Republican in the Senate, this bill would be dead right now.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Door number
3666,MonteCanopfor.MB4 on December 21, 2009 at 10:48 PM
and when was that?
The R’s haven’t had 60 votes forever. The most was 55.
From 1997-2001 under Clinton and 2005-2007
Would Dem’s like a “free-market” based reform republican sponsored plan? Let’s think back…to Nixon.
That plan certainly didn’t go over well with the Dems. Would have stolen their issue you know.
You can blame the victim all you want, but the Dems are a crafty lot. They want power forever on your dime. They want R’s to disappear. They have a PR house called “MSM”.
So could R’s have done that??? Unless they had 60 I don’t think so….sorry (we need better pundits)
r keller on December 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM
The Dems own it! We don’t need no stinkin RINOs helpin them. It should be evident how much a RINO’s worth.
How many reached across the isle to their good friends and brought any over!
Its’ always the RINOs crossing over to the left and none of their friends reciprocating!
RINO’s are only good for the Dems to do sex to them!
This isn’t over yet. It could get interesting if this goes to conference committee!
Nice speech by McCain about Persian rugs or something!
Fire the senile old fool Arizona!
dhunter on December 21, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Sometimes I have to step back and remember that people actually thought (still think?) Obama was a different kind of politician despite our warning that he is nothing more than the typical communist democrat.
SouthernGent on December 21, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Well, I do agree. The GOP isn’t viewed as good caretakers of this industry. It did deteriorate to the point of needing intervention.
AnninCA on December 21, 2009 at 10:52 PM
I’ve always thought of him as the “Real Slim Shady”.
thomasaur on December 21, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Can you imagine the reaction of conservatives if Republicans had actually passed something like that? No, the truth is the base was more concerned with other issues than it was with health care anyway. The only health care issues that really got conservatives interested in recnet years was embryonic stem cell research and Terri Schiavo. That is not a criticism.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Yeah, we have seen this before…
Seven Percent Solution on December 21, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Seven Percent Solution: And the French women,who aided the
Germans,recieved a very short hair
cut as well!!:)
canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
But this:
No, they are not “magnificent”. Some have phrases that are adequate and acceptable. Maybe. To be “magnificent” one must not include commentary in the address that undermines any of the more lofty notions. Obama always includes something along those lines. He also does not display sincerity or a true grasp of whatever topic or event he is addressing.
KittyLowrey on December 21, 2009 at 10:55 PM
McCain talked about a lot more than Persian rugs and he voted against this bill and made it plain that it was a sham. If we had just one more guy like McCain in the Senate this bill would not have passed the cloture vote, so maybe rather than trying to get rid of the Republicans we do have we should try to get some more of them.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:55 PM
And btw, I heard some moron on FNC (i think he was a “producer” say that 60 was one thing that the Dem/Left were arguing for during the election.
WFT moron is this….let’s review history. A dubious election of Franken…Prosecutorial Misconduct in Alaska.
Even with Spector that drops their total to 58.
I know the NYT is Left but the “conservative” pundits on the NYT should at least tell the truth.
r keller on December 21, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Well, I do agree. The GOP isn’t viewed as good caretakers of this industry. It did deteriorate to the point of needing intervention.
AnninCA on December 21, 2009 at 10:52 PM
AnninCA: The Talking point memo only mentioned,CRISIS!!!
canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Bull Crap! He told you what he was about. He told you what he was going to do. You voted for him.
To ask this asinine question and expect an answer other than FU, you’re more stupid than I give you credit for.
Kini on December 21, 2009 at 10:56 PM
No, it did not.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Will the real Obama please stand up!!
canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 10:23 PM
I’ve always thought of him as the “Real Slim Shady”.
thomasaur on December 21, 2009 at 10:53 PM
thomasaur:That sums it up,rap!!:)
canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Just think, if there had been a runoff between Franken and Coleman, Coleman would have won. If Stephens had not been railroaded in Alaska, there would not have been 60 votes. Very odd.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Will the real Obama please stand up!!
canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 10:23 PM
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Door number 3 666, Monte Canopfor.
MB4 on December 21, 2009 at 10:48 PM
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MB4: No doubt!:)
canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 11:01 PM
My point wasn’t that R’s should pass something like that…my point was that the Dems wouldn’t pass even that to make Nixon look good.
This is power politics…not out helping anybody. If Dem/Left were serious about their vision of healthcare they would have supported Nixon….they wanted the issue more.
So 35 years later they get a chance to do it their way, and they do it…to make Obama look good.
Power politics…and that is all
r keller on December 21, 2009 at 11:02 PM
And Obama is the intervention….
I suppose you think the Exorcist was a slum load ridding undesirables from rent controlled properties just so others can occupy the space between their ears.
Kini on December 21, 2009 at 11:04 PM
r keller:
Oh, I agree. I doubt if conservatives would have wanted it to pass, but Democrats would never tolerate a Republican stealing their issue like that. I think that is one reason they never acknowledged a lot of the things Bush did for the poor, they could not bring themselves to give a Republican that kind of credit.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:05 PM
That plan also would have killed the real purpose Dems have in all their universal health care fantasies: perpetual Dem control of government. Of course, I imagine that in 1974 they were more interested in getting Nixon out of the White House as well.
ddrintn on December 21, 2009 at 11:06 PM
FYI: AP(ress) with another story bringing up the potentional deal breaker issue of abortion in ObamaCare.
WashJeff on December 21, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Not like that old fool. He assured the country Obama was a harmless, God fearing family man, who loved his country giving the squishy middle permission to elect the false Jesus.
McCain now proceeds to go on the Sunday shows and whine that Obama lied!
WAAAAAA.
STFU McCain we need a conservative Senator from Arizona not one who will cross the isle to sign on to Amnesty and the Global Baloney!
The inarticulate bumbler is way past his prime, replace him!
The Sunday shows are draggin the old fool out again precisely because he is such an inarticulate bumbler, they love makin him the face of the GOP and he eats it up thinkin he is somehow relevant.
Disgusting!
dhunter on December 21, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Ross Douthat should ask his liberal buddies how this shameful legislation got this far. Right now, with 2/3′s of this country searching for answers why taxpayer dollars are paid out like candy to buy legislation that will be a jobs killer, it’s surprising Douhat has the balls to blame Republicans for a fiasco that belongs 100% to the Democrat Party.
If this is what Douthat still thinks is Obama’s “signiture legislation”, so be it.
Rovin on December 21, 2009 at 11:10 PM
I wonder if Europeans understood what was happening as they began their slide into the soft tyranny they currently live in. When those first pieces of ‘historic’ legislation appeared, did the European citizens fight against it, and the politicians force the bills through anyway, or were the losses of individual freedom brought about with the praise and approval of the people?
Growing numbers of Europeans understand their state now, but it’s probably too late to be reversed in anything other than a violent manner. I’m hoping enough Americans are seeing it here to keep it from ever happening.
BadgerHawk on December 21, 2009 at 11:11 PM
It’s unprecedented and historic!
TN Mom on December 21, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Overheard at HuffPo
A man is purchasing a new car. He and the dealer have the following exchange:
Man: “I’d really like to pay only $20,000 for this car, but I definitely won’t go higher than $30,000.”
Dealer: “How does $30,000 sound?”
Man: “Great! That’s exactly the deal I wanted!”
This is how Obama negotiates.
LMAO !
nagee76 on December 21, 2009 at 11:13 PM
dhunter:
What do you mean not like that old fool? That man voted no on this bill for cloture, one more cloture vote would have put an end to this.
Right now, Republicans and conservatives need to band together to oppose this kind of bill, not attack each other, it is pointless and self defeating and it is exactly the kind of silly infighting that helped get us where we are.
And what is more, if McCain had said that Obama was a socialist or something it would not have made any difference at all, if anything it would only have made Obama look more sympathetic to people. You say McCain gave the people permission to vote for Obama, they did not need his permission, they made that choice themselves.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Barack has two very distinctive personalties at the same time and in my sessions with him he goes back and forth between the two. He doesn’t seem to be able to make up his mind which he wants to be. I have named the one personality Homie Obama and the other Squire Obama.
Homie Obama is an angry Black man who found his soul mate in Michelle the angry hate America Black woman of his dreams and in Jeremiah Wright the God damn America and curse all things whitey firebrand mentor he had been searching for.
Squire Obama on the other hand is an upper class elitist white liberal in the John Kerry mode who really very much wanted to marry a rich white woman and only married Michelle instead as he needed to establish his Black cover and sought out Jeremiah Wright simply to gain his Black credentials or in the vernacular “creds”.
This is making treating him most difficult as it is most vexing to determine whether he is coming or going, an upper class elitist white liberal very much in the mode of John Kerry or an angry ghetto Black man.
At my advanced age and state of decomposition I can hardly be expected to treat both of Barak’s contradictory personalities so I am just going to have a cigar and leave treating him up to the rest of you. Just be sure to not rule out the possibility of treating him with electroshock therapy as even if it does not improve his psychological state it will surly improve yours.
Sigmund on December 21, 2009 at 11:14 PM
They’re about 90% of the way there. ObamaCare’s not a done deal, but it’s close. I strongly suspect Pelosi will twist arms in the House to make very few changes to the Senate bill, and then start tacking on their other dream items to spending bills down the road.
BadgerHawk on December 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Oh man. The comments over at the Huffpo link are priceless. They are eating their own.
Guardian on December 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM
At least Bush would look us in the eye, speak from his heart and not read off a teleprompter with his nose stuck in the air.
tbear44 on December 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Screw it. I’m going concern trolling.
“Yeah, Bush was very mediocre. And it’s not Obama’s fault. I think his handlers aren’t doing their job correctly.”
I sure do miss W.
Lanceman on December 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM
All jokes aside, these lefturds are dumber than rocks.. they want single payer NOW without realizing that this is not possible..definitely not immediately.
Obama is paving the way for “the transition” that he talked about in one of his interviews.. and these libtards have no sense of what he is trying to do here..
This is just foreplay – America is going to get F***d pretty soon.
nagee76 on December 21, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Since most of the Eurpoean welfare state was constructed right after WWII, the population was most likely seeking security (in life, not military). They were willing to accept anything that would return life to normal and to move beyond the horrors of WWII. The socialists had very pliable people to work
withover.WashJeff on December 21, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Like the song said, don’t know what you got til its gone.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Just imagine, they were still rationing certain foodstuffs when they started these measures. I imagine people thought of it as something necessary to be done.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:19 PM
I cannot see how Dem leaders would allow abortion to kill the bill one way or the other. The leadership can (A) tell the opposing side we will address it later or (B) how much money of other people’s money do you need for your distrcit\state to vote for this bill.
WashJeff on December 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM
England went into it champing at the bit – along with Nationalization of all major industry.
OldEnglish on December 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM
In the 1930′s, when people were being forced into cattle car trains and taken away, they knew.
After watching people run the gauntlet of barbed wire fences, walls erected to keep the populace in a life of tyranny, they knew.
After watching their standard of living divide into the elitist class and a state that provides for everyone, they knew.
History of Europeans, lessons never learned.
Kini on December 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Oh, I assure you, I knew. Personally, I was kinda hoping that he was gonna seize power and stifle future elections like all those leftards kept saying he was gonna do. Hoping Just a little bit.
Lanceman on December 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM
OldEnglish:
But then later they did privatize some things again.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Ah, yes, the benign despot.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:22 PM
I am going to be blunt–though I by no means consider myself a wonk on this issue, I really question the entire reform thing. Sure, the often-cited proposal to allow insurance companies to compete across state lines makes sense. But at the end of the day, if you are talking about making healthcare more “affordable”, then I can’t see how what you are talking about isn’t basically going to boil down to forcing a lot of talented, highly educated people who have to spend a lot of years in school studying–doctors, biomedical engineers, chemists, etc.–to accept something on the order of $50-70,000 a year (max, with less for those further down on the training pole–EMTs, nurses, etc.) in order to make healthcare more “affordable”. In other words, we want to make education not pay. And that is exactly what will happen–it won’t pay. And so people won’t pursue that education. Or won’t eventually stop using it.
Because I posit that health care is expensive not because of greed, but because a lot of the cost goes into compensation for people who have to spend a lot of time gaining the skills needed to make healthcare possible; and I also posit that the only way to cut costs is to eventually cut that compensation. Period.
My gut instinct here is to say that the realistic solution is to accept that healthcare is always going to be expensive, and to work diligently to grow the economy so that ever-increasing levels of wealth reduce the relative level of income paid for it. That is a long term solution not palatable to the left, of course, but I think it is the real one. And the only one. Grow the economy. Long term, most people will have the resources needed to obtain the healthcare they need, and those that don’t will be but an inconsequential drain on the economy (and government coffers). And, as a personal aside, only if it is a small number, and an inconsequential drain, do I support widespread public financing of healthcare for the able bodied. Sorry, not trying to be Scrooge here, but there is such a thing as incentives. Perverse ones, even.
At any rate, the fact is that what the left wants to do is just not achievable with the current population as sized to the current economy. We have to grow the economy to provide what is wanted, and that is reality. Pointing to Europe as a way of saying “no, it can be done” will get you no points from me–because as Mark Steyn has pointed out, Europe’s long term ability to maintain a Western culture and a welfare society would seem to be in doubt. So, if that is your argument, I reply that we need to check back in another 30 years and see how it is going, because I think that may be real length of their epicycle. About 70-90 years total. With no guarantees it will play out well.
Or in other other words, everyone seems to have momentarily forgot that we still don’t know how to fund Social Security in about 10 years…fund it, and not destroy future growth, that is (as well as the human spirit that says “I shall be the main beneficiary of my talents”).
So I’ll summarize this in terms people can understand–when a young couple starts out, they can probably only afford an apartment. Later, maybe they can buy a house and afford the kids. With hard work and a good career path, later come the family vacations and college educations (while still paying for the house). Even later–with careful attention to one’s career and earning power—comes the vacation home and the investments and the luxury cars. And so on.
A nation is the exact same way–the left right now want to send the kids to private schools and have expensive tutoring lessons, when you know what? We can’t afford it, we can only afford public schools, and that is simply going to have to be good enough.
We as a nation are going to have to learn that something can be good and not doable (or prudent) at the same time. I can name you about five things that would be very desirable for me to do right now, each one a positive benefit to my future plans. But I can’t do them, because it would destroy the future plan, because I can’t afford them. So it is with healthcare.
And we are not going to be able to just tax our way to a solution. It is time for liberals to accept that as payment for the bounty of capitalism that allows many to live well, some people get to get rich. And it might not even be the people that “should” get rich. But that is just the way it is. For human nature does not allow for any of the options they envisage. Deny human nature, penalize those who are able to do well, and you will get, eventually, nothing. For people hate injustice, and they have a strong evolutionary instinct not to tolerate freeloaders. Mutual support is one thing. Freeriders are something else. I will not work harder so you can work less. So taxing higher and higher is not, has been proved to be not, the real solution.
So, I would say once again that forcing doctors who spend years as poor students, who can basically only afford to eat Ramen noodles until they are about 30, to accept less money while a union hack with a high school education sits on a well-preserved $80k/annum job is not a “good”. It is instead a perverse incentive, an injustice, a travesty, and one that will be noted, to everybody’s detriment. People have an instinctive feel for justice, and those who are bright are only going to accept so much “Harrison Bergeron” treatment before they just start packing it in. It’s human nature.
Or in other words, if you think your typical ACORN or SEIU goon could be your doctor, more power to you. But if you don’t–then why are you siding with them over those who can do the job? For at some point you have to render unto Caesar what art Caesar’s, God what art God’s (if you go that route), and those who can acutally do the job what art those who can actually do the job. And that “rendering” comes in the form of cold hard cash. Period. Or else those who have the talent will find something else to do, out of spite if nothing else.
And so, once again, how are costs going to be cut? Only by penalizing those whose main crime seems to be being talented enough to do what others can’t do.
And thus, I am not sure I agree with Mr. Douthat at all. But once again, there may be a reform I am not aware of.
Horatius on December 21, 2009 at 11:23 PM
I am sure the Eurpoeans of the time had a big case of “Do Something”-itis.
Side note, a little after WWII, our country produced 40% of the world’s GDP. Today it is around 25%. Obama says he wants to bring the world’s trade back in balance. Does that mean balance is us kickin’ arse to the tune of 40% of world GDP?
Naahhhhhhhh!
WashJeff on December 21, 2009 at 11:23 PM
You got it, my friend. Bam! Hit the nail right on the head!
Lanceman on December 21, 2009 at 11:23 PM
I think the USA took away Englands role as the world’s reserve courrency after WWII as part of the deal to loan England money to rebuild. England probably had a lot of stress after WWII, repairing the damage and losing super power status.
WashJeff on December 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:13 PM
You and I have had this discussion before and I pointed out, correctly, what would happen when McCain became the nominee. I voted and donated and he was derelic in duty to country by coddling Obama, by not pointing out his associations or forcing Obama to reveal his past.
He IS an inarticulate old bumbler and that is precisely why the media loves him and has him on. He is the face of the GOP they want America to see.
Goin on TV whining that Obama lied when most of us knew Obama was lying during the campaign, but McCain assured us he was not, he was a good, God fearing family man.
He suspended his inept campaign reached across the isle and threw capitalism, free enterprise and conservatives under the bus once again.
I am saying Arizona can do better. Much better. Maine maybe not, the N.E. is tough but McCain needs to be gone he voted right this time!
WOW, we got lucky!
Hows’ he gonna be when amnesty comes up and the Dems want to cement their future by givin free healthcare to millions of illegals?
AWOL?
dhunter on December 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Yes, but you see that is just how it happened. After seeing people hauled off in cattle cars, death camps, destruction and war..they did not exactly freak out when the state said, we will help you get health care. After what they had seen that seemed downright warm and cuddly. They did not associate national health care with a lack of freedom or security, they saw it as one less thing they had to worry about in a very worrisome world. There was a shattered economy, food shortages. They might have thought differently about it later, but at the time I think they just wanted to be taken care of.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:27 PM
That’s gonna be a hard pill to swallow
MB4 on December 21, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Yes, the Steel Industry, after the unions realized that they had bet on a dead horse. Fortunately, by 1951, many people began to have regrets about their rush to Socialism, and put Churchill back in to put the brake on the madness.
That worked for awhile – until Wilson.
OldEnglish on December 21, 2009 at 11:29 PM
dhunter:
Fine if Arizona can do better, then let them do better. I am just saying that going after each other when the Democrats are kicking our ass is self defeating. McCain is fiscally conservative and strong on national security and while that might not ever be good enough for the people who hate his guts, it puts him head and shoulders above Obama. And if we had more people like him, warts and all this bill would be dead. But hey, if it makes you feel better to call him names, just keep on doing it.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:31 PM
i hate clicking blindly on these quotes only to find myself directed to Huffingandpuffingtonpost. i can’t get out of there fast enough. abort, abort.
exceller on December 21, 2009 at 11:34 PM
You should know better on an Allah post.
And does it really matter which liberal said what?
Lanceman on December 21, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Yes, the Labour Party spent what was supposed to be a four year loan in twenty months – on Socialism.
The war did, indeed, break the superpower status of England, but there was no need to hasten the fall through the evil that is Socialism.
OldEnglish on December 21, 2009 at 11:36 PM
I don’t know what will happen with this issue, but I do know that Obama thought the kind of bill McCain was supporting was too harsh, too punative. The sort of bill Obama wants will not include any back of the line stuff, it will not include any back taxes or fines. I really doubt if he can get it done. But people said that McCain would support cap and trade when the Democrats started to push it and he did not. So maybe we should deal with the problems we have right in front of us rather than wonder what will happen if and when some future legislation comes up.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 11:36 PM
I disagree with this point. Doctor compensation does not need to be cut to lessen the price consumers pay. The costs of providing many routine medical services can be trimmed through efficiency improvements.
IMagine truly free health care system with limited regulations. I suspect you would see a business called “Babies R Us” that, instead of baby items, deliveries babies. This business would for say $9000 provide all care from initial check-up of the pregent mother to child delivery. This business would be more efficient since a VAST majority of services would be provided by nurses (maybe even the delivery itself).
I could see the another business called “Bonez” thatonly does broken bones.
I do not think these businesses exists today due to the 3rd party nature of health care and no pressing need to innovate. HSA and high deductibles would help too.
Costs would be cut, but doctors would still make a great income…they deserve to.
WashJeff on December 21, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Terrye
I take no pleasure in calling McCain what he is and I agree with you on his stance on spending and national security!
Its his presentation, his stance on Illegals and Global baloney, his inarticulate bumbling and incessant whining that makes the GOP look like a bunch of sour old loosers that tells me its time he leaves.
He had his shot he blew it now ride off into retirement quietly and let a newer, younger, more articulate conservative pick up the reigns or, keep givin up the votes of everyone under say 35.
dhunter on December 21, 2009 at 11:38 PM
I confuses the hell out of me that the English did not give Churchhill a chance at post-war government. How could a country throw out leader that successfully lead the country through such horrible times.
WashJeff on December 21, 2009 at 11:39 PM
But not as great as Bawnnie Fwank
macncheez on December 21, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Blaming the GOP, blaming the Democratic Congress, blaming Obama… plenty of valid criticism to go around. But the one thing left out is that these bastards got voted into office. That means the people to blame are the people who voted for these cretins, and never put forth better opponents.
The American people – with a small percentage of exceptions – got what they asked for, good and hard, as Mencken once wrote. Most refused to think beyond their noses for the past 100 years and the Republic deteriorated to its present point.
To be great again will require a change in the American people, to become again what they once were, what their great grandfathers and grandmothers were. It’s possible, but it will take a lot more than the analysis of simpletons like Douhat. It will take the kind of intellectual clarity and moral fiber of a James Madison, a Samuel Adams, a Patrick Henry.
The next 20 years will tell the tale. How many Americans age 20-50 do you know that have it in them?
JDPerren on December 21, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Immigrants to this country from socialist Europe, that lived through those times, would vehemently disagree with you.
Kini on December 21, 2009 at 11:45 PM
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