Oh my: Obama never pressured me about the public option, says Lieberman

posted at 7:45 pm on December 21, 2009 by Allahpundit

Devastating, not because it reflects some flaw in The One’s strategy — there was no way Joementum would have played ball on a public plan so why waste time begging him? — but because it feeds the developing narrative on the left that Obama himself is chiefly responsible for shattering their dream. No less a progressive icon than Russ Feingold pointed the finger yesterday, an accusation quickly trumpeted by the left’s favorite news site. Now here comes their archenemy to say, yeah, Feingold’s pretty much right:

“Well, no. I think I got pressure from the president to be for health care reform,” Lieberman said when asked by HuffPost about any pressure from the administration to support either the public option or the Medicare buy-in. “I’d have to think about this, but I didn’t really have direct input from the White House on this.”

He added that Nancy-Ann DeParle, a top administration health care aide, downplayed the public option’s significance early in the debate.

“Early on, Nancy-Ann DeParle came in, I told her my argument, I said, ‘Nancy, I don’t remember this ever being in the presidential campaign debates — or discussions. I don’t mean just the debates. And she said, ‘You know, it’s interesting. We went back and checked and there’s one mention in the bottom of a paragraph of an Obama presidential policy statement on health care where it’s mentioned as an option.’ But most of the negotiation I had on that was with Senator Reid.”…

“Most of my dealings were with Senator Reid until the very end, that Sunday, when I went in to his office and Rahm Emanuel was there,” said Lieberman. Rahm, said Lieberman, “was relatively quiet.”

As I write this, there are “Fire Rahm” petitions circulating on the left; just this morning, Joe Scarborough predicted he’d be gone by the end of next year. He’s a useful scapegoat but it’s The One who’s forever been accused of “voting present” at tough moments (witness his passivity about the stimulus earlier this year), so why the stretch to blame Emanuel? Obama’s strategy going into this was to avoid Clinton’s mistake by letting Congress take the lead in hopes that whatever developed organically would have a better chance of passing than a bill that was forcefed by the White House. And … he was right: Something is going to pass, a “starter home,” in Harkin’s words, which they can build upon in the decades to come until they’ve got the socialized-medicine mansion of their dreams. The left wants its mansion now, but Obama no longer has the strength to build it. He’s been losing political muscle for months as the public soured on the bill, even back when the public option was on the table, to the point where he’s now too weak to pressure anyone, really. Which is another way of saying that the left still can’t accept that the bill is unpopular. So instead they’ll blame The One for blowing it and some of them will stay home in protest next November. Works for me.

Update: Since we’re busy stoking lefty antagonism towards Obama, let’s pile on with this clip from Ed Schultz’s show accusing the White House of trying to keep ObamaCare-hating liberals off the air at MSNBC. Any reason to believe that Schultz is right about the administration e-mailing Scarborough during his show to complain? Why, yes — they’ve done it before. So here’s the state of play at the DNC’s home channel: A hard lefty is ripping a Democratic president for leaning on a Republican host, while inviting other hard lefties onto his own show to rip one of his Democratic colleagues at the network. Awesome. Click the image to listen.

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This may be the first time the pigs participated in making the sausage.

flyoverland on December 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Get in bed w/the devil,….you ain’t gonna end up happy!

christene on December 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM

“so why the stretch to blame Emanuel?”

Really? Has Obama ever accepted responsibility for something bad?

exhelodrvr on December 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Look – civil war on the right!

thirteen28 on December 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

DEAD!

*knife to table*

DEAD!

blatantblue on December 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

So instead they’ll blame The One for blowing it and some of them will stay home in protest next November. Works for me.

Not to mention Obama’s numbers among black voters is starting to erode as well.

SouthernGent on December 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

The left wants its mansion now, but Obama no longer has the strength to build it.

they’re getting a double-wide instead

cmsinaz on December 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Okay Rahm, practice this phrase:

“I am stepping down to spend more time with my family, and live my life long dream of being a professional ballet dancer.”

portlandon on December 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM

As I write this, there are “Fire Rahm” petitions circulating on the left

WOW, I am SHOCKED. No really I am. I never thought the left would want twinkle toes out of there!

upinak on December 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM

So instead they’ll blame The One for blowing it and some of them will stay home in protest next November. Works for me.

Its all good. Let ‘em self-implode.

OmahaConservative on December 21, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Someone help me here – I thought Joe L. was going to vote NO but voted YES.

What happened? :(

RedNewEnglander on December 21, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Much ado about nothing. The Left isn’t abandoning Obama. Not now, not ever.

rrpjr on December 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Yeah, but in fairness, we should thank Obama for killing the public option.

Apologetic California on December 21, 2009 at 7:56 PM

What happened? :(

RedNewEnglander on December 21, 2009 at 7:54 PM

He did what he does best. Goes Liberal “Rogue” on independents.

Vote him out!

upinak on December 21, 2009 at 7:56 PM

“Rahm, said Lieberman, “was relatively quiet.”

I still can’t find these negotiations on C-SPAN…?

Seven Percent Solution on December 21, 2009 at 7:57 PM

so why the stretch to blame Emanuel?

Perhaps they realize he’s the hand in the sock puppet???

n0doz on December 21, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Anything stupid from the liberal side is schadenfreudig.

However, they don’t believe a word Lieberman says. To them he is the devil.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2009 at 7:57 PM

I find that hard to believe!!

Btw,remember how they treated Lieberman,when he became
an Independant!!!

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 7:58 PM

The amazing thing is these people think that the sheeple will end up loving all this.

Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Anything stupid from the liberal side is schadenfreudig.

However, they don’t believe a word Lieberman says. To them he is the devil.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Schadenfreude: Me thinks,thats a kind statement!!:)hehe

Didn’t the Liberals use the word,Judas!!:)

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 8:01 PM

I don’t see how the bill is going to be reconciled in conference committee between the House and Senate. Both sides want it to be something the other side does not, and both sides have pledged to vote against it if it has / doesn’t have particular factors.

I say it gets stuck in conference committee and doesn’t come out–if at all–until well after the State of the Union.

Enoxo on December 21, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Uh huh, because Ogabe is really a military hawk and is taking the hard line on spending, deficits and keeping America safe.

Yah sure, as if the libs would turn their back on the 1st Black POTUS this early in the game.

Bishop on December 21, 2009 at 8:02 PM

For the 18th time in the last 3 days… trust NO ONE with a (D) next to his or her name.

They registered, ran and caucused as Democrats for a reason… they believe in Socialism.

Nelson, Lieberman, Stupak, Landreau, Bayh, Dean, some far lefty wanting the whole pie today… no matter what they say, do or threaten… they can ALL be bought and they all want the same thing (either today or tomorrow)… they must ALL be defeated.

mankai on December 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM

mankai on December 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM

You are ruining Allah’s fun!

upinak on December 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Markos for Chief of Staff. Why not?

TXUS on December 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM

So we’ll take the public option out, and put in insurance exchanges where consumers can pick one of four insurance plans defined by the government, but managed by the insurance companies. Meanwhile regulations will require insurance companies to pay out 80-85 percent of the premiums collected, and live (or die) on the remainder. Oh, the government will set the price insurance companies can charge, and also set what the companies will cover.

Yes, I see now, that is completely different than the government running health insurance.

Skandia Recluse on December 21, 2009 at 8:05 PM

As I write this, there are “Fire Rahm” petitions circulating on the left

Are there any “Fire Barry” petitions circulating?

Knucklehead on December 21, 2009 at 8:07 PM

This is all their game for their profit. Anybody that thinks these political whores give a rat’s backside about them is living in some parallel universe. The people in this country are being played like a violin and toyed with like rats in a Skinner box. it would be great if the masses would realize this fact and refuse to be manipulated but i don’t see it happening soon.

rplat on December 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Someone help me here – I thought Joe L. was going to vote NO but voted YES.

What happened? :(

RedNewEnglander on December 21, 2009 at 7:54 PM

I think he was only going to vote No if the public option was in it. Reid dropped it, so Lieberman got on board.

This brings up two interesting points: 1) Lieberman saying he didn’t get any pressure from O about the public option (which is AP’s point) and 2) the Left (esp. DailyKos) is skewering Lieberman for ridding the bill of the p.o., effectively making it a bill for the insurance companies — coupled together, it’s obvious that the far Left DKos and HuffPo types should actually be mad at Obama, not Lieberman.

LastRick on December 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM

I don’t remember The One being passive about Porkulus, Allah. I remember him telling us that if we didn’t pass it RIGHT NOW it would be “catastrophic” (sic.)

Obama votes Present except when it involves 1) shoveling big piles of cash into his buddies’ pockets and 2) killing the unborn or very young.

Pavel on December 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Well,ABC News pulled the same as MSMBC,
back when!
—————————————-
ABC News health care special draws fire

ABC News landed in a political controversy Tuesday after its plans for a special on President Barack Obama’s health care initiative made the homepage of the Drudge Report.

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 8:11 PM

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 8:11 PM

SSDD

cmsinaz on December 21, 2009 at 8:12 PM

Obama votes Present except when it involves 1) shoveling big piles of cash into his buddies’ pockets and 2) killing the unborn or very young.

Pavel on December 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM

THAT!

angryed on December 21, 2009 at 8:14 PM

This is all their game for their profit. Anybody that thinks these political whores give a rat’s backside about them is living in some parallel universe. The people in this country are being played like a violin and toyed with like rats in a Skinner box. it would be great if the masses would realize this fact and refuse to be manipulated but i don’t see it happening soon.

rplat on December 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM

rplat:Speaking of rats!!:)

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=13382

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 8:14 PM

More popcorn. Then vote the bastards out in 2010!

GarandFan on December 21, 2009 at 8:14 PM

I don’t see how the bill is going to be reconciled in conference committee between the House and Senate. Both sides want it to be something the other side does not, and both sides have pledged to vote against it if it has / doesn’t have particular factors.

I say it gets stuck in conference committee and doesn’t come out–if at all–until well after the State of the Union.

Enoxo on December 21, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Coulter and Barbara Bachman say pretty much the same thing. I think they were on Hannity’s radio show. Sean was on vacation and the fill in interviewed Coulter and Bachman back to back.

I hope you are right. Kill the Bill.

Geochelone on December 21, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Skandia Recluse on December 21, 2009 at 8:05 PM

It’s only 97% govt run. Anything less than 100% is unacceptable to the nutroots.

angryed on December 21, 2009 at 8:16 PM

I say it gets stuck in conference committee and doesn’t come out–if at all–until well after the State of the Union.

Enoxo on December 21, 2009 at 8:02 PM

So? The death of the country is put off another month. Yipeeee!!

The Dems don’t care about 2010. They will lose a lot of seats no matter what happens with ObamaCare. The president’s party always loses seats. Vote NO and they lose 30 seats. Vote YES and they lose 40 seats. This is the holy grail of liberalism. Do you think they will give up their chance to turn the US socialist for a measly few seats in the next election?

angryed on December 21, 2009 at 8:19 PM

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 8:11 PM
SSDD

cmsinaz on December 21, 2009 at 8:12 PM

cmsinaz: Ya,tell me about it,and the Left wants a ‘Fairness
Doctrine’!!:)

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 8:19 PM

You could buy HArry Reid’s whole house of corruption … with the lies come out of their.

Get the feeling they don’t get the whole consent of the governed representative republic thingy …. And best interest of the public and country.

They have sold out for their place in the corrupt Washington politburo. Sad…

tarpon on December 21, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Did anyone make it through the entire clip of Axelrod? I um, ah, well, uh, tried, but uh, um, I uh, couldn’t, um, make it.

BKeyser on December 21, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Well you have to hand it to the left; they are purests and highly principled in their blind zeal for a Marxist take over.

Fight this with the most intense passions you can possible muster. RAISE HOLY HELL, as if you were backed into a corner, because you are.

Grab your pitchfork or grab your ankles.

Geochelone on December 21, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Not to mention Obama’s numbers among black voters is starting to erode as well.

SouthernGent on December 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Please, in the name of all that’s merciful, show me a link!!!

Mary in LA on December 21, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Do. Not. Believe. A. Word. Of. It.

David Axelrod calling in to “Morning Joe” was a coordinated event to confuse the senses.

Liberals Progressives could not have an individual thought away from the ‘Party Group Think’ if it sat on their faces…

When you have Billions in ‘slush funds’ left over from TARP and ‘Stimulus’ just lying around Washington, all of these clowns just sit by their Blackberry’s and wait for marching orders.

The ooze of corruption, propaganda, and disinformation that is leaking out of the White House as if it’s Barney Frank’s rectum.

… and our ‘Free and Independent’ press is there to lick it up.

Seven Percent Solution on December 21, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Yeah, but in fairness, we should thank Obama for killing the public option.

Apologetic California on December 21, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Why? There’s enough left in this steaming pile of dung to do major — if not fatal — damage to one-sixth of the economy and the lives of countless real people.

I will thank Osama Obama when he resigns. Nothing else will do.

MrScribbler on December 21, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Right. And Nelson denied that there was ever any threat to close the Nebraska bases, and indignantly told his constituents that his vote “was not for sale” (*said right before he sold his vote*).

LASue on December 21, 2009 at 8:26 PM

The ballerina swims with the fishes.

Geochelone on December 21, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Rahm will have to quit some time in September to help those who will lose in the house or even before as damage control to stop them from the inevitable loss, and/or then run for the congress so he can be the new minority leader.

tjexcite on December 21, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Please, in the name of all that’s merciful, show me a link!!!

Mary in LA on December 21, 2009 at 8:25 PM

I aim to please :-D Caution…it’s a DailyBeast link..

These sentiments are mirrored in recent polls suggesting that while overall support for Obama among black voters continues to be overwhelming, hovering in the 90 percent range, the intensity of that support appears to be diminishing—a trend that could end up affecting black turnout in next year’s congressional midterm elections and possibly even the presidential election of 2012.

A breakout of black voters in Washington Post surveys over the past eight months shows that those who “strongly” approve of Obama fell from 85 to 69 percent, while his disapproval rating quintupled—from 2 to 11 percent. Admittedly, that’s still very low number, but it’s evidently moving in the wrong direction.

SouthernGent on December 21, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Idiots. If Obama fires Rahm, he will probably go with someone more moderate since the reason he’s tanking in the polls is because of his lefty agenda. And if Obama goes with a hard left guy to replace Rahm he’ll just keep sinking in the polls.

terryannonline on December 21, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Something tells me, Rahms ego is almost as big as Obama’s, and him being scapegoated isn’t going to go down his throat like a fine wine. There will be war over this!

capejasmine on December 21, 2009 at 8:41 PM

PATRIOT WINS BIG IN SPECIAL KENTUCKY ELECTION

nondhimmie on December 21, 2009 at 8:51 PM

I find it funny that anyone still thinks Lieberman, Nelson or any of the other Dems WOULDN’T vote for this travesty.

Don’t give me that “they killed the public option” bunk either. Anyone think it’ll pop up again in conference? Or at least some iteration of it? No?

Then you’re continuing to delude yourself.

catmman on December 21, 2009 at 8:51 PM

catmman on December 21, 2009 at 8:51 PM

I agree. Lil things will be slipped in, here, and there….and I don’t think anyone will be allowed to read any of it, before they vote. Which in, and of itself, is deceitful, but now becoming the norm, with this corrupt bunch of democraps.

capejasmine on December 21, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Oh, and we can blame Emmanuel or Obama et al for this to begin with, but let’s be honest with ourselves.

Obama and Co. said they were going to do this all along.

The blame for this lies squarely in the laps of the legislators allowing it to happen – all of those so-called ‘Blue Dogs’ and ‘moderates’ – especially Lieberman, Nelson and the others.

catmman on December 21, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Fire Rahm.

Right!

pilamaye on December 21, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Don’t give me that “they killed the public option” bunk either. Anyone think it’ll pop up again in conference? Or at least some iteration of it? No?

Then you’re continuing to delude yourself.

catmman on December 21, 2009 at 8:51 PM

They will staple the House version to the Senate version and call it a bill and pass it. Any private company that actually tried to comply with the law would spend all of its money on lawyers. The only companies that will be able to comply are the ones that are not prosecuted and sued out of existence. Government run plans will get sovereign immunity and so won’t need that overhead.

pedestrian on December 21, 2009 at 9:00 PM

The blame for this lies squarely in the laps of the legislators allowing it to happen – all of those so-called ‘Blue Dogs’ and ‘moderates’ – especially Lieberman, Nelson and the others.

catmman on December 21, 2009 at 8:53 PM

The blame on the morons who voted Democrat.

pedestrian on December 21, 2009 at 9:01 PM

pedestrian on December 21, 2009 at 9:01 PM

That too.

catmman on December 21, 2009 at 9:04 PM

As I write this, there are “Fire Rahm” petitions circulating on the left

WOW, I am SHOCKED. No really I am. I never thought the left would want twinkle toes out of there!

upinak on December 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM

I have forgotten how this goes now. Will Rahm get a kiss on each cheek from a capo, and then there will be a slight nod of the head as a shadowy figure follows him out the door. Or do we wait to hear of a horse’s head in his bed?

Yoop on December 21, 2009 at 9:06 PM

The public option will be back in conference. It won’t be called that of course. And it will be spelled out over 50 pages with legalese so thick you need 2 law degrees to understand. But it will be there and come 2013 when Dr. Smith’s office is closed and replaced with The Office Of Health Care and Management Office #52-1G-A people will finally understand what’s happening.

angryed on December 21, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Not to mention Obama’s numbers among black voters is starting to erode as well.
SouthernGent on December 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Dallas Tea Party rallied at KayBay’s offices today (Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston that I know of). There were MANY more non-whites in attendance, protesting. And MANY more non-whites driving by, honking, and giving the “thumbs up”. Yes, there were also giving the one-fingered salute, some drove by a couple of times chanting the name of their dear leader. Lots of reason to be positive though. The others? They get what they deserve.

Yellowdog12 on December 21, 2009 at 9:40 PM

F’n lier

Wade on December 21, 2009 at 10:07 PM

The Nebraska Right to Life endorsed Ben Nelson over Republican Pete Ricketts in the last race. Before Nelson played traitor they were saying that Nelson’s stand against government-funded abortion vindicated their endorsement of him.

I think it’s fair to say that Nelson has taught us that you can never just vote for an individual. Regardless of how good or bad the individual is, when you vote for a politician you are voting for their party. Your vote puts their leadership in control of procedures and possibilities. And there is no such thing as a pro-life democrat politician. When push comes to shove they will always stand with their party rather than honor.

I think that’s what we need to let everybody know. A lot of Nebraskans voted for Ben Nelson because even though he ran as a democrat he seemed like a good, decent guy. If he was a good, decent guy he wouldn’t have had anything to do with the democrats. If he was a good and decent guy he should have recognized the scum for what they are.

Nebraskans won’t make that mistake again, except maybe Sodom and Gomorrah (No offense, Omaha Conservative).

justincase on December 21, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Obama couldn’t get the votes and caved on public option telling harry reid “make the deal with liberman”. Oh man, the liberals are gonna go nuts.

TN Mom on December 21, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Not to mention Obama’s numbers among black voters is starting to erode as well.

SouthernGent on December 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

It doesn’t matter the blacks will vote for him again for the simple reason that he is black. they will always vote for the black guy.

unseen on December 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

THEY ARE ALL SOROS LACKEYS IN D.C. UNLESS PROVEN OTHERWISE…

Can we at least operate under that assumption until someone comes up with info to disprove it?

McCain took money from Soros…….and who else on the GOP side?

TERM LIMITS AND BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT….the only way to keep this bribery and backroom “negotiations” from continuing.

PappyD61 on December 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM

First off, can I just say that Mika looks smokin hot in that white tank top. Long been my lib crush.

This has got to be Axelrod’s feeblest performance since Wolf Blitzer (Wolf Blitzer!) pressed him on the idea of allowing people to buy insurance across state lines. He had nothin. You could hear Peggy Noonan’s exasperation when he went on about deficit reduction.

Urquhart on December 22, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Any reason to believe that Schultz is right about the administration e-mailing Scarborough during his show to complain? Why, yes — they’ve done it before.

Hey, on 4 December 2009, I sent HA’s tips e-mail address the following e-mail.

I was just watching Morning Joe.

At about 7:30, after Scarborough had criticized the WH earlier in the show for having no one with private-sector experience, Jarrett evidently e-mailed Mika to remind the Morning Joe that Jarrett had been a CEO in Chicago.

If it’s a slow news day, you might see if you can resurrect the clip and then offer a summary of her private-sector experience. I’m under the impression that she’s an absolutely disgraceful slumlord.

I’d love for Ed or Allah to find this clip from that show. It was unbelievable.

BuckeyeSam on December 22, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Wow does Axelrod sound desperate in that clip. I mean like a Freshman with no date the day before homecoming desperate.

Theophile on December 22, 2009 at 3:00 AM

Communist Democrats eating Socialist Democrats for not being full-blown communists.

MOAR PLEAZ

Good Lt on December 22, 2009 at 8:50 AM

I expected nothing less. Total personal moral bankruptcy. It’s a requirement to be a Senator.

ultracon on December 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM

So here’s the state of play at the DNC’s home channel: A hard lefty is ripping a Democratic president for leaning on a Republican host, while inviting other hard lefties onto his own show to rip one of his Democratic colleagues at the network. Awesome. Click the image to listen.

Blue on blue. Let the streets flow with their blood.

nukemhill on December 22, 2009 at 9:32 AM