Obama: I’m a deficit hawk now or something

posted at 7:00 pm on December 21, 2009 by Allahpundit

The plan initially was to wait until next year to reinvent himself but the polls are such that he probably figures he can’t spare another minute. This is like Bush touting himself as a “diplomacy first” kind of guy circa mid-2003. Or, better yet, like LBJ touting the future savings in Medicare circa 1967, boasting how it would only cost $10 billion a year come 1990. No worries: It’ll all be different this time.

To prepare yourself for what you’re about to see, take a deep breath, concentrate your mind on the fact that everyone on either side of the aisle acknowledges at this point that the bill is being passed simply so that Democrats can claim a political victory ahead of 2010, and savor the irony of this: “Washington’s become more concerned about the next election than the next generation.”


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LibTired on December 21, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Two excellent places to begin Obama’s cost cutting: (1) the office and officials inhabiting the big white house on Pennsylvania Avenue in D.C., and (2) everyone in both houses of Congress.

bradley11 on December 21, 2009 at 7:44 PM

I wonder if Obama knows he’s lying? In any case, he knows that telling people what they want to hear, no matter how insincere, has gotten him elected. My reading of this bill is that by allowing anyone to get private health insurance, such as those with expensiver preconditions, preventing insurance companies from raising rates, not curbing torts, and not permitting insurance to be sold across state lines, will cause most insurance companies to fold eventually. And then the Demo’rats can say that only government provided health insurance will save the day.

NNtrancer on December 21, 2009 at 7:39 PM

I thought about this too, however, if they create these exchanges and all these big companies go under, the pension plans that are invested in them lose money, the people they employ lose their jobs…there will be no question who is to blame. I am not so sure that will work for the Democrats the way they think it will.

Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 7:44 PM

No way am I gonna click on that video.
I just wrote to McConnell and Boehner that I do not want to see one Republican face in the crowd at the State of the Union address. Well, I guess that will be true for me because I will not watch that speech either. I refuse to torture myself.

BetseyRoss on December 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Do we look like Mrs. Obama?

Rocks on December 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM
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I sure hope not!

farright on December 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM
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farright:Ahem:)

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=13011

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM

there are still a few kool-aid drinkers out there (including the msm)…they’ll be helping him out til the bitter end

cmsinaz on December 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Even they will realize that the bulge in his pants was a stuffed sock.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM

I see military cuts and tax hikes coming.

Dear God. We’re screwed.

One Angry Christian on December 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM

This is a prelude to “We need more tax revenue, so sorry!”

That’s exactly what’s coming.

We must all look like Michelle Obama.

NoLeftTurn on December 21, 2009 at 7:47 PM

These people live in the fear that an accident or unforeseen health problem will lead to complete financial devastation, including loss of their home and bankruptcy. It\’s not right.
bayam on December 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM

My husband lost his insurance some time ago and he does not support this bill, in fact he resents people like you using people like him to promote this sort of policy.

The truth is that more than 20 million people will still not be covered under this bill. And the truth is that if all they wanted to do was help people get insurance they could do that without overhauling the entire system and piling on more and more debt and regulation.

People are not denied health care in this country.

Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM

lol
:-)

cmsinaz on December 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

This the lie they plan to use to win again in 2010.

If the federal deficit is cut (odds of this happening: zero) it will be because: Taxes are raised (1 trillion dollars over 10 years was just quoted on FNC’s Special Report) – and that’s using static analysis which doesn’t account for the reduced revenues higher taxes will cause as the government gobbles up paychecks and profits which would normally go to the private sector tax paying economy; the states pick up the cost of programs; promised cuts of, say, $500 billion to Medicare and to doctors/hospitals are enacted.

Buy Danish on December 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Do we look like Mrs. Obama?

Rocks on December 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I dunno. You’ll have to ask Hans Solo.

TXUS on December 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM

You\’re probably going to far to say that Obama ever touted the policy that \”deficits don\’t matter\”. That was practically a policy of the Bush administration over the 8 years that it added $4 tril to the national debt.

It\’s not right.

bayam on December 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM

As a troll, one would think you could at least get a few of your facts right. In 8 years Bush added $4 trillion ot the debt? That would mean he was running an average of $500B per year of deficit spending. The worst case in those 8 year was 2008 in which the deficit was a bit over $400B. As a reminder, take a look at the graph in deficit graph. Remember who was in charge of spending for FY 2007, FY 2008 and FY 2009 (hint: It wasn’t Republicans). Just doing a quick visual integration across that graph — the total deficit sum during Bush’s 8 years don’t add up to the first year of deficit spending under Obama. The rest of your illogic is equally flawed.

… and no, your statement is just not right

AZfederalist on December 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM

I dunno. You’ll have to ask Hans Solo.

TXUS on December 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Uh-oh. Better take it back. That has been a ban-hammer worthy statement in recent days. :-O

conservative pilgrim on December 21, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Do we look like Mrs. Obama?

Rocks on December 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Let’s hope, not.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Obama absolutely has to be the dumbest person to ever hang out in the Oval Office.

He just doesn’t get it.

Oink on December 21, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Marxists in Charge

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Obama absolutely has to be the dumbest person to ever hang out in the Oval Office.

He just doesn’t get it.

Oink on December 21, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Dummies are indignant.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Lying sack of $hit. I know this because his mouth is moving.

csdeven on December 21, 2009 at 8:10 PM

We can’t continue to spend as if deficits don’t have consequences – Obama

We? We? You have a mouse in your pocket? Did you get anointed king?

I’ve never spent as if deficits don’t have consequences; because I’m not an idiot.

gekkobear on December 21, 2009 at 8:12 PM

I can’t watch this either, but I think I saw this earlier today… he blames Bush for increasing the deficit, and then immediately justifies his own bigger deficit increase as somehow better and worthwhile.

And something about the government has to stop spending our money like it’s monopoly money??!?! As if that is not exactly how he sees our money? Puhleeze!

LASue on December 21, 2009 at 8:15 PM

farright:Ahem:)

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=13011

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM

That is scarry looking! The hatred is captured perfectely.

farright on December 21, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Well of COURSE we have to cut spending. Health care is costing too much now that we run it.

FUBO.

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Our dear reader lies a lot, doesn’t he.

tarpon on December 21, 2009 at 8:20 PM

I can’t even watch it. It is all lies. And the US public is buying it.

You got what you deserved, folks.

PattyJ on December 21, 2009 at 8:22 PM

This reminds me of something. Aren’t there like psychotics that do this kind of thing?
I guess they are really banking on the hope we are all really, really stupid.
Sorta like the guy that robs you blind, steals everything you own while his thugs pin you to the floor and then after getting caught, vows to someday run for sheriff as the “tough on crime” candidate.
Now I remember, it was the KDL, or the KTM or KFC serial murderer or whatever he was called. During the trial he talked about how nice some of his victims were. How his one victim liked cats or something, and how he liked cats too, and maybe people could learn good things from him and the relationships he had with all the people he killed.

JellyToast on December 21, 2009 at 8:27 PM

He thinks we’re stupid, and oblivious.

The fat-filled $1.1 trillion appropriations bill Democrats sent President Obama last week is the latest action in a spending spree that is fast becoming the pivotal political issue of the midterm elections.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Yet Mr. Obama and his party still don’t get it. In a speech at the Brookings Institution here in which he outlined another stimulus bill, he said the country must continue to “spend our way out of this recession.” Hold on to your wallets.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Soon, millions more will be without work. Then what? Tax revenues will spiral down as well. Is he really this stupid? My guess is an emphatic….YES!!!

capejasmine on December 21, 2009 at 8:36 PM

The POTUS is mentally ill.

BHO Jonestown on December 21, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Obama: I’m a deficit hawk now or something

File this in the cabinet right next to: Ahmadinejad: I ♥ ♥ ♥ Jews now or something.

MB4 on December 21, 2009 at 8:38 PM

can’t even watch it. It is all lies. And the US public is buying it.

You got what you deserved, folks.

PattyJ on December 21, 2009 at 8:22 PM

- — –
You are partially right It is all lies but the US public is not buying it, only the MSM and freeloaders who elected him and even their numbers are getting fewer.

bluegrass on December 21, 2009 at 8:40 PM

This is like Bush touting himself as a “diplomacy first” kind of guy Mahatma Gandhi circa mid-2003.

MB4 on December 21, 2009 at 8:41 PM

The POTUS is mentally ill.

BHO Jonestown on December 21, 2009 at 8:37 PM

That just means that TOTUS will have to carry all the load now. Oh, wait!

MB4 on December 21, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Joe the Plumbers dreams were replaced with those seeking better whore houses in the USA endorsed by the US government.

Pass the ACORN cookies please……….

bluegrass on December 21, 2009 at 8:44 PM

tarpon on December 21, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Lollie lion licks lollipops in La La Land.

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Do we look like Mrs. Obama?

Rocks on December 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Let’s hope, not.

Schadenfreude on December 21, 2009 at 8:03 PM

She would make a dreadfully ugly child but she makes a rather handsome pig, I think.

Cheshire Cat on December 21, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Does this guy even celebrate Christmas?

d1carter on December 21, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Really, Barack? 4th and 56 and down by 34 points with 29 seconds on the clock, and now yer gonna make it better?

This is truly a nightmare.

Trusser13 on December 21, 2009 at 9:04 PM

I remember when BHO signed the omnibus budget bill, chock full of earmarks, saying there would be no further earmarks, since these were Bush’s earmarks…He just signed 2 more bills chock full of earmarks too….. I want to see actions that match words, but this is wishful thinking…

kringeesmom on December 21, 2009 at 9:29 PM

The Absalom Complex
2 Samuel 14:25 – 18:18

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 9:32 PM

The worst case in those 8 year was 2008 in which the deficit was a bit over $400B. As a reminder, take a look at the graph in deficit graph. Remember who was in charge of spending for FY 2007, FY 2008 and FY 2009 (hint: It wasn’t Republicans). Just doing a quick visual integration across that graph — the total deficit sum during Bush’s 8 years don’t add up to the first year of deficit spending under Obama

Look, I’m not trying to defend Obama’s spending increases. Those are real and significant. But you’re not in full command of the facts. A deficit graph isn’t a useful metric since Obama inherited a massive recession with accompanying reductions in tax revenue (only aggravated by Bush’s tax cuts).

During those years when Republicans had full control of Congress and the White House, the country’s annual budget increased from $2 trillion to $2.7 trillion, an increase of about 35% Keep in mind that Bush hid the true size of the national debt by excluding war costs from the annual budget.

So while you whine about how everyone else is ruining the country under Obama, you might what you did to oppose Bush’s irresponsible fiscal policies. If not for what Bush achieved after inheriting a budget surplus, the current national debt levels wouldn’t be much of concern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget

2006 United States federal budget – $2.7 trillion (submitted 2005 by President Bush)
2005 United States federal budget – $2.4 trillion (submitted 2004 by President Bush)
2004 United States federal budget – $2.3 trillion (submitted 2003 by President Bush)
2003 United States federal budget – $2.2 trillion (submitted 2002 by President Bush)
2002 United States federal budget – $2.0 trillion (submitted 2001 by President Bush)

To look at more

bayam on December 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Nothing good to say…so DMFD!

dmann on December 21, 2009 at 9:47 PM

bayam on December 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM

While I agree with you, Bush’s spending was a lot….unemployment wasn’t at +10%. Taxes weren’t high…and he was narrowing the gap. The real spending started when Dems took the house, and Senate, and remember…Bush doesn’t make the budget…Congress does. Bush also wasn’t in the middle of this economic crisis, and pushing for a massive overhaul of health care, at a time the country can least afford it. Over spending …there’s blame on all sides, but this has to stop, and it’s within Obama’s power to stop it, and he’s just so eager to sign everything that is put on his desk it seems.

Also to note…I don’t always entirely trust Wikipedia as a source. I do go there, but….they tend to omit things, that aren’t favorable to some, and allow things, that trash others. If the truth is what it is, it should stand, and the folks at Wikipedia aren’t always about the truth. :)

capejasmine on December 21, 2009 at 9:50 PM

bayam on December 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM

I’m not an economist and didn’t support much of Bush’s spending, but a couple of points I think are important: 1) Bush also inherited a recession; 2) Bush immediately had to deal with the very real economic effects of 9/11; 3) looking only at Bush’s budget numbers won’t tell you anything about deficits (spending more than we have); and 4) as you concede, Obama’s spending increases in less than one year in office are real and significant.

LASue on December 21, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Do we look like Mrs. Obama?

Rocks on December 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM

We do if we have toned arms and a fat ass.

SNL skit. I get it. Very good. ;-)

David2.0 on December 21, 2009 at 9:54 PM

bayam on December 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Your forgetting about the GOP Dukes of Hazzard mentality.
…straighten’ the curves, flatten’ the hills, someday the mountain might get ‘em, but the law never will…
and likewise the DNC mentality.
…fight’n the system like modern day Robin Hoods…

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Hey, don’t worry!

Obama is going to halve the deficit he “inherited” by 2012.

Pay attention to words.

That’s $500 billion in deficit reductions over 4 years.

Whattaguy!!!!!!!

David2.0 on December 21, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Bayam,

NOBODY CARES.

Your talking points are running on empty. Obama is President now. Voters don’t like it when the Commander in Chief keeps whining about what the guy before him did. They want the guy to man up and stop the spending.

Talking about 19 billion dollars in savings that haven’t occurred yet is weavilly peanuts compared to the 2.5 to 6 trillion dollar monster that Bambi and his National Socialist friends are dumping on the people.

There is a point beyond which smoke and mirrors stop working.

Talking about Bush’s budgets and how bad they were completely miss the point of who is in power now, and who is held responsible for this Freight Train to Weimar.

victor82 on December 21, 2009 at 10:12 PM

bayam:

Obama has quadrupled spending when compared to Bush. I can remember when Bush vetoed a farm bill and Democrats called the man stingy for Chrisake. They took Congress in 2006, there was a budget deficit of $168 billion…now that run almost that much in a month.

There is no comparison.

And then they come up with this crappy health care bill that does not even insure all the uninsured. They are saying as many as 23 million will be left uninsured..and following the hysterical crap from the Dems on that subject I guess that means 23 million Americans left to die in a gutter. The whole thing is a big fat expensive joke…and then today I hear some idiot Democrat saying the Congress will limit shareholder profits and regulate executive pay for insurance companies..good grief that is downright unAmerican. It really is.

Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM

I can’t wait til this lying POS is in the copter on his way back to IL on 1/20/13.

gsherin on December 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Like getting out of Saigon.

Fallen Sparrow on December 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Sorry but you cannot talk about reducing costs whilst at the same time push for what is presently called Obamacare… as well as pushing for “stimulus” which has nothing to do with anything that would have been “prescribed” by Lord Keynes (I honestly doubt that he would ever think that what has taken place would have been appropriate).

Obama is a tool and a big fool. He should not be POTUS since he is so totally unsuitable.

maggieo on December 21, 2009 at 10:22 PM

And then they come up with this crappy health care bill that does not even insure all the uninsured.
Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Is that due to the Dems or the Republicans? If I’m to believe that the Republicans want health care for all, I’ll be over in my spaceship welcoming all to planet Mars.

Make you wanna cry, Know the reason why. Gettin’ old, Gettin’ grey, Gettin’ ripped off, Under-paid, Gettin’ sold, Second hand, That’s how it goes… living in the GOP land.

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Is that due to the Dems or the Republicans? If I’m to believe that the Republicans want health care for all, I’ll be over in my spaceship welcoming all to planet Mars.

How could it be due to the Republicans? They did not even write the damn thing or have anything to do with it.

Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Obowma must have read the Wall Street Journal today letting us know he is reckless on the economy. What a scumbag to completely deny what the people want. He is not our king, he just thinks he is. Remember, his job is temporary and so is the democrat congress in 2010.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704398304574598130440164954.html

dthorny on December 21, 2009 at 10:35 PM

This is like Bush touting himself as a “diplomacy first” kind of guy circa mid-2003

Er…Bush was a “diplomacy first” kind of guy.

So, no, this is not like that.

KittyLowrey on December 21, 2009 at 10:39 PM

2006 United States federal budget – $2.7 trillion (submitted 2005 by President Bush)
2005 United States federal budget – $2.4 trillion (submitted 2004 by President Bush)
2004 United States federal budget – $2.3 trillion (submitted 2003 by President Bush)
2003 United States federal budget – $2.2 trillion (submitted 2002 by President Bush)
2002 United States federal budget – $2.0 trillion (submitted 2001 by President Bush)

To look at more

bayam on December 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM

You forget the deficits, which were dropping until the democratic congress took over in 2007 and raised the minimum wage, TARP, Stimulus 1 and 2, bank bailouts, payola to democratic supporters, See the chart by the CBO. You cannot blame the republicans for the econmy, you blame the democrats plan to tank the economy to help Obowma get elected. ZRmrmmber, McCain was leading all the polls until the economy faltered in the summer of 2008.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/deficit.jpg

dthorny on December 21, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Sorry, I forgot the Republicans were all for the public option. My bad. No wonder this is a bipartisan bill, with all of those good hearted GOP reps loving thy neighbors.

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Why doesn’t he just say that the health care bill will save trillions? He’s making it all up anyway.

I would not want to be Obama in his next lifetime. It’s going to be something gruesome.

disa on December 21, 2009 at 11:04 PM

McCain was leading all the polls until the economy faltered in the summer of 2008.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/deficit.jpg

dthorny on December 21, 2009 at 10:43 PM

I still want to know what Soros did to set the whole thing to tip.

disa on December 21, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Sorry, I forgot the Republicans were all for the public option. My bad. No wonder this is a bipartisan bill, with all of those good hearted GOP reps loving thy neighbors.

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Republican DO love their neighbors!

We’ed LOVE them to get a job and subsidize themselves.

Funny how Lib’s only quote the Bible when it’s time to steal from the righteous.

Funny how they forget the Bible when it comes to gay marraige and abortion.

David2.0 on December 21, 2009 at 11:08 PM

farright:Ahem:)

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=13011

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM
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That is scarry looking! The hatred is captured perfectely.

farright on December 21, 2009 at 8:17 PM
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farright:)

canopfor on December 21, 2009 at 11:09 PM

I still want to know what Soros did to set the whole thing to tip.
disa on December 21, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Obviously he encouraged abandoning free market principles to save the free market system.

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Obviously he encouraged abandoning free market principles to save the free market system.

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Actually, TARP worked so well Obama tried to take credit for it.

David2.0 on December 21, 2009 at 11:24 PM

David2.0 on December 21, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I’m all ears here David2.0. Tell me what the Bible says specifically about gay marriage. I’ll read a link provided given that it is sourcing the bible and not someones blind interpretation.
Absalom2.0

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 11:27 PM

I’m all ears here David2.0. Tell me what the Bible says specifically about gay marriage. I’ll read a link provided given that it is sourcing the bible and not someones blind interpretation.
Absalom2.0

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 11:27 PM

“For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.”
—Romans 1:26-27 (NKJV)

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”
—1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)

“Knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,”
—1 Timothy 1:9-10 (NKJV)

David2.0 on December 21, 2009 at 11:35 PM

President Obama:

As long as you are in Washington, the next time I am in your town, will you at least treat me to dinner and a movie?

I think it is only the polite to do…

itzWicks on December 21, 2009 at 11:35 PM

David2.0 on December 21, 2009 at 11:35 PM

I seemed to have missed the gay marriage part, and the…

“. . . for there is no difference. FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 3:22b-23

” . . . John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold THE LAMB of God, which TAKETH AWAY THE SIN of the world.” John 1:29

or is the latter statement subjective?

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 11:47 PM

I seemed to have missed the gay marriage part, and the…

“. . . for there is no difference. FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 3:22b-23

” . . . John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold THE LAMB of God, which TAKETH AWAY THE SIN of the world.” John 1:29

or is the latter statement subjective?

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 11:47 PM

The Bible cuts down homosexuality way before “marraige” becomes involved. Gay marraige is the manifestation of the sick liberal mind.

Gays always do this. In the face of clear, concise condemnation of homosexuality, they always trot out some obscure, unrelated passage of the Bible in a lame attempt to legitimize their perversity.

David2.0 on December 21, 2009 at 11:53 PM

David2.0 on December 21, 2009 at 11:53 PM

I’ve yet to see gay marriage specifically quoted. I don’t understand the “marraige” point.
obscure, unrelated passages of the Bible? Isn’t that a quid pro quo of the passages previously mentioned?

disillusioned on December 22, 2009 at 12:08 AM

After watching that clip there is a quick link to a clip about the polls for support of Obamacare. The lead line almost sounds like “Great News!” that support for Obamacare is now up 6 percent. Except, that well; uh, it still lags overall support by 15 points, or something. But hey, 6 POINTS!

Heftyjo on December 22, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Awesome. I’m sure he spent the past few days reading the 2000+ pages of the Health Care Bill that Nobody Can See and noting just how marvelous it is at saving money.

Nethicus on December 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM

This is some f****d up s**t.

russcote on December 22, 2009 at 12:59 AM

The POTUS is mentally ill.

BHO Jonestown on December 21, 2009 at 8:37 PM

He might have PTSD (Post TOTUS Stress Disorder)

nyx on December 22, 2009 at 2:34 AM

I feel like a jerk saying it, but in this context $36 billion is absolutely nothing. In the context of a credit card, that’s like making a $50 payment on a $17,000 debt where you’re spending $2,250 a year, and you’re paying $500 in interest on the debt you already have. Not to mention you’re hiding the fact that you borrowed $9,600 from yourself and you’re committed to spend $100,000 before you even get to your basic expenses in the not-too-distant-future.
I hate that even after all of their failures and incompetence, my leaders have the gall to think I’m stupid enough to care at all about this bunk. For a long time I held the view that guided us since FDR, that there would always be another generation to pass the debt onto, but I’m thinking that the principle is going to run out sooner rather than later.
It’s a sign how out of touch these people are that they’re passing a new massive entitlement in this situation. We’re being eaten alive by our entitlements, the amounts of money we’re liable for to keep social security going are absolutely staggering. It’s three times the GDP!!!

galenrox on December 22, 2009 at 2:41 AM

or is the latter statement subjective?

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 11:47 PM

You aren’t much of a theologian are you?
Do you think pulling quotes out of context can win a debate?
You were shown the quotes, and you ignore them…just to make sure you understand, it helps to ask forgiveness for a sin to be removed…just quoting scripture won’t do it.
Do you really think that because Jesus “came” that there is no sin now? You guys crack me up with your bible knowledge.
Please, be honest in your debates…it is obvious David2.0 answered your challenge…the actions of homosexuals are a sin.

right2bright on December 22, 2009 at 3:33 AM

For a long time I held the view that guided us since FDR, that there would always be another generation to pass the debt onto

galenrox on December 22, 2009 at 2:41 AM

It’s called a Ponzi scheme…it’s illegal, unless you are a politician…

right2bright on December 22, 2009 at 3:35 AM

David2.0 on December 21, 2009 at 11:08 PM
I’m all ears here David2.0. Tell me what the Bible says specifically about gay marriage. I’ll read a link provided given that it is sourcing the bible and not someones blind interpretation.
Absalom2.0

disillusioned on December 21, 2009 at 11:27 PM

In Genesis 19 God destroyed Sodom for their homosexuality. It does not deal with gay marriage but their immoral lifestyle that God despises.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19&version=NIV

dthorny on December 22, 2009 at 4:08 AM

right2bright on December 22, 2009 at 3:33 AM

I won’t claim to be much of a theologian, but won’t hesitate to ask questions. The quotes I mentioned was as much out of context as the quotes David2.0 used. I mentioned and acknowledged this in the quid pro quo statement. I have no intentions of winning a debate, only pointing out the inconsistencies of the argument. I did see the quotes and understand the theological aspect of asking for forgiveness, and no I didn’t ignore them. I can’t speak of asking forgiveness of a sin, and quoting scripture to do so. I’m not the one you need to convince here that there is no sin now. I’ll agree that David2.0 answered the questions, and we had a polite conversation. Although disagreeing. I tried to bring up the point of Jesus dying for our sins no matter what they are. But sins seem to be very selective these days with vanity overseeing them.

disillusioned on December 22, 2009 at 4:45 AM

dthorny on December 22, 2009 at 4:08 AM

would you say, at least, that after destroying Sodom that God gave a thumbs up to incest? The thought is based on reading the story of Lot from the link provided. sorry, right2bright, only asking questions again. I’m always interested in the evolution of morals.

disillusioned on December 22, 2009 at 5:28 AM

I am waiting for the moment he blames his teleprompters on feeding him lies and unsupported facts.

The left voted for a person that represented their image of President Reagen, photogenic, speaks well, and is educated. What they forgot to see is that President Obama has not, can not, and will never have integrity – the trait that President Reagen exuded.

President Obama uses the right words to describe the problems we face. But, he does not have the intestinal fortitude to solve those problems, because he does not want to waste a perfectly good crisis.

MSGTAS on December 22, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Can’t watch him, ever. He’s setting us up for something. That’s his job, getting us ready for the next move. The dems are seizing the moment and taking over health care is the biggie for them. There has to be so much hidden in the pages of the bill, that they think will give them power forever. Raise taxes on higher wage earners and give it to lower income earners. Keep everyone in poverty, we are on our way to becoming a 3rd world country.

Kissmygrits on December 22, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Yes, Mr. Obama.

You’re a “deficit hawk” that quadrupled the deficit in less than a year.

“For the children.” In this “era of fiscal responsibility.”

The campaign ads practically write themselves.

Good Lt on December 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM

no one is buying this big piece of crap w/ ears.

jbh45 on December 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Obama as a deficit hawk? So the guy who has spent more than any other President in history, with 3 more years to pad his record, is donning the mantle of fiscal conservatism?

More than any.President.Ever. 3 more years.

At best, he’s going to embark on a tax-increasing program. And that’s a really awful best, because raising taxes shrinks the economy. And shrinks government revenues. That’s what kills me most. The Dems would rather give up increased tax revenue from the Bush tax cuts, and punish the “rich”.

hawksruleva on December 22, 2009 at 10:12 AM

BWA-HAHAHahahahahaaa!

Sure he says this now, but this is a guy that encourages spending $billions$ as easily as most people breathe.

Typical politician:
“I can say and do completely opposite things and nobody will notice.”

rockbend on December 22, 2009 at 10:43 AM

OK The Fed Govt has seized control of 30% of our economy, and is trying to control healthcare, banking, lending and financial services – or 71% of our entire economy WILL be controlled by the fed govt. Now, tell me this isn’t grounds for an uprising.

marklmail on December 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM

In less than a year…

marklmail on December 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM

I’m a deficit hawk now or something

YOU LIE!

NoFanofLibs on December 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM

He is indeed hawkish for deficits.

TheUnrepentantGeek on December 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM

I noticed that he says it is a reform that has been delayed by DECADES. In 1944 there were many socilist here in the United States pushing for socialism, even communism; who saw the move move to socialism in England as the future. They worked to make that same move here in the United States, to continue the initives that FDR had begun, but they were not able to convince the American people that it as better to let the government make decisions for them than makeing them for themselves. The New York Times was one of those that had the goal of socialism in the USA
; lavashing praise on Fidel Castro and others like him. That embracement as we have seen,has never faded. Obama is a socilist at best, with a communist view drilled into him since he was a child. If you listen to this speech you can hear that side of him. At the end he says his changes will help to put in place a government… This is almost a “Let me be clear”, I want to change this government to one I want. His entire purpose for getting elected by any means possible was to change the American government in to a socilist government. That why the passing of the health bill, in any form, is so critically important. It is not about health, but about socialism. The socialist and communist have long stated that the only way that they would get the American people to accept socialism was through nationalised health. The reason was simple. It is hard to deny someone healthcare.

Of course we all can believe that his plans will save tax payers billions in the furture to reduce the debt of trillions that he has spent, and Santa is going to really deliver tons of things we want. This from a president that can not see the damage he has done to our country ,or tell the truth about anything; with a party that sees spending more money as the solution to every problem. They are not even ashamed to tell us everyone has their price in negoiations to get what they want; or in otherwords, to he– with the people and what they want, it is what those with the power want that counts.

Franklyn on December 22, 2009 at 12:31 PM

When Democrats talk about “reducing the defecit”, those are code words for “raising taxes to the moon and beyond”. And don’t think that low income workers will escape: the health care bill alone raises payroll taxes for EVERYBODY. On top of those massive increases, the Bush tax cuts will “expire”, which raises EVERYBODY’s taxes and re-imposes taxes on low wages which were exempted under Bush.

Government cuts and/or efficiency improvements are not feasible in Democrats’ alternate reality.

landlines on December 22, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Stock up on essentials, folks, this situation is getting worse by the day. Government is out of control, out of money and out of ideas. As Americans, the fate of our Republic rests with us.

joe btfsplk on December 22, 2009 at 1:59 PM

This guy is hysterically funny!

MCGIRV on December 22, 2009 at 2:33 PM

I believe NOTHING this man says anymore. All lies that come out of his mouth. His mask is off and people are starting to see the liar that he is.

What do you call someone that says sweet things you want to hear and then does the opposite? I think I dated a few of those……

Mo2Do on December 22, 2009 at 3:13 PM

What until we see the “entitlement reforms” after the 2010 election. All stick and no carrot for the working suckas.

johnboy on December 22, 2009 at 5:50 PM

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