Awful: Giuliani not running for Senate in New York

posted at 8:15 pm on December 21, 2009 by Allahpundit

Bad in so many ways.

Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani is expected to announce Tuesday he is not running for U.S. Senate or anything else in 2010, effectively ending his storied – and often stormy – electoral career, The Daily News has learned…

Ironically, however, Giuliani’s decision not to run will almost certainly benefit the Democratic Gillibrand more than anyone.

The former mayor’s step back all but assures that the freshman Gillibrand, appointed earlier this year by Gov. Paterson to fill Secretary of State Clinton’s old seat, will not face any big-name GOPers.

“Her path is now cleared,” enthused one Democratic operative…

Had Giuliani run for Senate, all his scandalous baggage – which includes his former top cop, Bernard Kerik, who last month pleaded guilty to accepting home renovations from a mobbed up contractor – would have been unpacked again.

Yes, all his scandalous baggage — which has been public knowledge for years and years and yet he still led Gillibrand by double digits in three separate polls over the past month. You’re never going to get an environment better suited for a GOP pick-up in New York than next year: Gillibrand’s largely unknown, the national mood is anti-Democratic, and there’s a challenger available with national name recognition who’s largely in line with New Yorkers on social issues. A Rudy win would have given the party a foothold again in the northeast and a voice with a Senate megaphone to challenge Obama on detainee issues, for starters. And of course it would have undercut the media stereotype that the GOP is a small tent that’s dominated now by tea partiers and the like. All that, up in smoke.


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Look, nobody in New York outside of Nassau County knew who Al D’Amato was when he won election for the Senate in 1980 on the coattails of the Reagan landslide (and the Republicans taking over control of the Senate). And no one outside of Poughkeepsie knew who George Pataki was when he defeated Mario Cuomo for governor as part of the Republican landslide nationally in 1994.Having a superstar/high profile candidate would certainly help, but if the state GOP can get its heads out of its collective orifices, past history has shown they can still win in New York during years that are favorable nationally for Republicans, even if they nominate only half-decent canidates.

Gillibrand, Cuomo/Patterson and Schumer still have to defend not only the Democrats’ work in NYS, but also nationally, because other than the ‘blame Bush’ strategy, there’s no Republican higher-up at the federal level state Dems can blame for their problems.

jon1979 on December 21, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Why do Republicans love running in races they have no chance of winning but get scared of a sure thing like this?

Speedwagon82 on December 21, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Rudy was the one person I hoped would run against Chuckie Schumer’s shadow, Gillibrand. Pataki doesn’t have the star power for a successful bid against a powerful democratic machine that will fight mercilessly for Gillibrand. Rick Lazio couldn’t win the gubernatorial race if he pulled a Scary Harry Reid by bribing every single New Yorker with five thousand bucks each.

New York has elected a few centrist Republicans in the past, chiefly because centrists are more palatable to moderate Dems. If a Repub wins in virtually any district, it’s typically a RINO. The state split between the parties is approximately 5.5 million Dems to 3.1 million Repubs, which may explain the tendency for New Yorkers to vote for RINO’s, if they vote for a Repub at all.

That said, a conservative candidate, with an upbeat personality, moxie, and superior linguistic skills could beat Gillibrand. Given the economic mood and the disillusionment many New Yorkers currently feel since the Eliot Spitzer scandal, and because of our hopelessly ridiculous and inept current Governor David Paterson, a solid conservative candidate could win. I hope this isn’t just wishful thinking.

anXdem on December 21, 2009 at 9:51 PM

That does it. Bleep him. Turn off Hannity whenever he sucks up to this bore or the other dried-up old fool McCain. Rudolpho has done nothing but lead us on for the last four years now.

Rudy, go the frig away!

Mr. Grump on December 21, 2009 at 9:53 PM

anXdem on December 21, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Like I said, nobody in December 1979 could have told you who D’Amato was outside of his home area. And no one outside of Pataki’s home area in December of 1993 had any idea who he was either. But both won in years when the Democrats controlled the White House, controlled the U.S. House and controlled the U.S. Senate, which left the party with no higher up evil Republicans to blame for their own craptacularness.

A currently low-profile Republican who doesn’t have a Scozzafava-like voting record and is even a halfway decent campaigner has a chance in the current environment because while it may seem so at times, New York State is not New York City, reflexively pulling the ‘D’ lever no matter what they do while in office (and even New York City isn’t as batshirt crazy as, say, San Francisco, and the outer boroughs do have areas that won’t vote Democratic next November if the Republicans give them any sort of decent option).

jon1979 on December 21, 2009 at 9:58 PM

He’s too busy getting rich off of dictators and other heads of state. Have a disaster happen in your city, have the cleanup crew get sick from breathing in toxic air and you are rewarded with a lucrative consulting business.

LevStrauss on December 21, 2009 at 10:00 PM

See you later Rudy.

I am sick and tired of settling for crappy RINO’s with disgusting personal lives. Flush all of the garbage and bring in the A Team. If you elect non-conservatives, you never know what you will get.

David in ATL on December 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM

I’m no Guiliani fan by any stretch….but I’m smart enough to know that we Republican New Yorkers needed someone with name recognition to defeat the Dems.

Now we’re left with no one for Senate…and no one for Governor. We’re screwed……

IrishGirl17 on December 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM

jon1979 on December 21, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Just so you know, I love the neologism “craptacularness!”

Substantively, you’re right. We have a fighting chance if the Repub brass can identify someone with integrity, conservative ideals, a solid voting record, and at least half a personality. The problem is, our fighting chance is predicated on the Repubs actually selecting a candidate who isn’t a complete loser.

anXdem on December 21, 2009 at 10:07 PM

HillBuzz is thinking that it’s for medical reasons. I hope that’s not true; and I hope he changes his mind.

ParisParamus on December 21, 2009 at 10:08 PM

It is awhile before the election. Someone could come along who would win. I wish Rudy would change his mind though.

Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Rudy, go the frig away!

Mr. Grump on December 21, 2009 at 9:53 PM

The man’s cancer might have come back.

Terrye on December 21, 2009 at 10:11 PM

I haven’t read the thread so if I am repeating another person’s point, sorry, but could he be afraid of some backlash from Bernard Kerik. I am not suggesting that he was involved but you know the Dems would link the mayor to him. It’s sad though, I would like to see him in either the office.

Cindy Munford on December 21, 2009 at 10:17 PM

anXdem on December 21, 2009 at 10:07 PM

NO CAREER POLITICIANS…someone who has run a sucessful business.

jerrytbg on December 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Cornyn at it again….Screwed this one up.

Doing it with Rubio/Crist
Doing it with Devore/F woman
Screwing it up that is.

Does Soros pay everybody in D.C.
I guess there are only 545 of them….that is chicken feed…It is our money after all….Soros has bought em’ all….thanks John Cornyn have fun cashing your check….you too Kay Bailey…..oh, I forgot Coburn, McLame, Graham all think Obama is a great guy…..Soros money must be really good

nondhimmie on December 21, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Oh, because WHEN it goes bankrupt, it all goes ‘poof’ and vanishes?

Chris_Balsz on December 21, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Pretty much, yeah.

Red Cloud on December 21, 2009 at 10:25 PM

First, the paper is “reporting” that Rudy is “expected” to make the announcement. He hasn’t said anything publicly.

Second, assuming he did get elected in a blue state, the Senate is no place for someone of his abilities. He would be effectively neutralized by that sack o’ dung Schumer, and would have to spend too much time watching the Dems — and yes, I’m sorry to say I expect to see them keep their majority in ’10 — doing there destructive bit without having any way to combat them.

A Cabinet position in the next administration, or a similar post where Rudy’s decision-making (and personal) skills can be put to maximum use would be far better.

MrScribbler on December 21, 2009 at 10:27 PM

The Democrats ARE in a death spiral.

But if half of the people commenting here had their way, the ones with the pitchforks and torches for Rudy, they’d basically save the Democrats from themselves and then wonder why they lost.

What works in Oklahoma doesn’t necessarily work in New York, people. Anyone calling Rudy a “RINO” either doesn’t know his true record or doesn’t know the meaning of the term.

Red Cloud on December 21, 2009 at 10:28 PM

And this is bad, why? Are we running short on RINOs in the Senate?

tballard on December 21, 2009 at 10:28 PM

A crying shame.

Buy Danish on December 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM

rudy the QUITTER

unseen on December 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM

This is very disappointing. It is also very curious.

It is disappointing because, although many are willing to pin that overused RINO tag on almost anyone nowadays, Rudy was Ronald Reagan compared to anyone who stood a chance of winning a NY senatorial seat. And we could have used that. He may be to the left of me on some issues, but I have no doubt that if he were seated in Congress today, the Obamacare bill would have been defeated.

But it is curious that Rudy will not run for a seat he most certainly would have won. And I am dying to know why he won’t. Don’t think he has another health issue. Don’t think he was deterred by the thought of old dirt being shown new light. Perhaps he is making so much money now he can bear the thought of a senatorial paycheck (although I doubt this). I suspect that if Rudy was to run, there would have been another scandal involving his personal life. A mistress perhaps. Perhaps even some sort of unscrupulous financial dealing.

DarkKnight3565 on December 21, 2009 at 10:40 PM

I guess that Rudy figured out that a noun, a verb and 9/11 doesn\’t play anymore. See ya!!!

simplesimon on December 21, 2009 at 10:44 PM

RUDY IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE…HE’S A RINO AT BEST.

Surely somewhere in New York SOMEONE can be found to defeat the stench of the Liberals control of that hapless state.

Rudy signaled he didn’t the fight in him when he refused to run against the Hildebeast when she ran in 2000 for her stepping stone Senate seat.

Goodbye Rudy. Thanks for at least being tough on criminals.

PappyD61 on December 21, 2009 at 10:45 PM

I am weeping for the future of conservatism. I had thought that Hot Air had a lot more intelligent commentators, but I’m seeing the conservative equivalents of the DUmmies.

Red Cloud on December 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM

WHY?!!!
WHY?!!!
WHY?!!!

ErinF on December 21, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Wow. Rudy is a wussie. Big disappointment. If he runs, he wins that senate seat.

Anybody else in New York that has a pair?

Sapwolf on December 21, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Red Cloud on December 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Nope you are correct. Rudy is perfect for New York, he did a great job as mayor. I am sorry that he’s not running.

Cindy Munford on December 21, 2009 at 10:59 PM

I am weeping for the future of conservatism. I had thought that Hot Air had a lot more intelligent commentators, but I’m seeing the conservative equivalents of the DUmmies.

Red Cloud on December 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM

You’re right. After all, having an R behind Collin’s name has worked so well so far. Ya, ya, you get committees. So what? What good does it do when you have people who happen to have an R behind their name are liberal?

boomer on December 21, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Whatever sympathy I ever had for Rudy is now gone.

It reminds me of Romney refusing to run for a second term as governor of Massachusetts because 1) it would be hard work, 2) people would criticize him, 3) there was *gasp* some chance he might lose, and 4) it didn’t fit well with the rest of their personal agenda (a Presidential run for Romney, apparently a boatload more money for Giuliani). Never mind that it screws your party, your state and the people that supported you.

What a pair of self-centered quitters.

cool breeze on December 21, 2009 at 11:07 PM

That’s too bad.

He would have been great in that seat.

Saltysam on December 21, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Any word on Pataki running for office? I know a few months back he said he’d be up to run, I assume Rudy for Gov and him for Senate, but since then I haven’t heard much.

They said he’s going to do stuff in the private sector, but what? Didn’t he make a mint in his last company? Late night with Rudy maybe?

Rbastid on December 21, 2009 at 11:31 PM

He may have health reasons. Why not wait to see what he has to say first.

crosspatch on December 21, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Lets hope something gets done to let Rudy be the lead prosecutor against the 9/11 terrorist.

Rbastid on December 21, 2009 at 11:39 PM

This is annoying if true. What the hell Rudy? Take what is yours, the only 2 reasons I can think of you not running is that you make too much money in the private sector or there is a scandal we don’t know about. Rest assured that if you don’t run, curious reporters will be looking into the latter so it would be exposed either way.

Gillibrand is an absolute joke and is beatable but I have heard of no potential candidates yet. No Giuliani, no Kink and no Pataki? Maybe Lazio will decide to run, he might have a chance, but it would have been so easy to take out Gillibrand with Rudy that money could have been saced and spent on other closer races.

Daemonocracy on December 21, 2009 at 11:43 PM

I am weeping for the future of conservatism. I had thought that Hot Air had a lot more intelligent commentators, but I’m seeing the conservative equivalents of the DUmmies.

Red Cloud on December 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Screw it, I’m tired of explaining why “conservatism” is not “something hostile to the Reagan Coalition”. Have the brand. I’m a Falangist.

Chris_Balsz on December 22, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Rudy, love ya, but don’t let the door hit your vacillant ass on the way out.

NY GOP, find an actual conservative to beat the current junior senator. Don’t NY-23 us all over again.

mizzoujgrad on December 22, 2009 at 12:20 AM

NY GOP, find an actual conservative to beat the current junior senator. Don’t NY-23 us all over again.

Guess what? The only one we have is Giuliani. Imagine that.

Run a social conservative in New York and all they’re going to do is lose. However, faced with the option of a liberal Democrat and a fiscal conservative, it seems some people here are preferring the liberal Democrat.

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 12:48 AM

You’re right. After all, having an R behind Collin’s name has worked so well so far. Ya, ya, you get committees. So what? What good does it do when you have people who happen to have an R behind their name are liberal?

boomer on December 21, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Keep calling Giuliani and people like him liberals. Go ahead. You’ll get the real McCoy instead – aka more of what we’ve already got in Washington. Then you’ll stamp your feet, and I’ll… well, I’ll be too depressed to say “I told you so.”

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Guess what? The only one we have is Giuliani. Imagine that.
Run a social conservative in New York and all they’re going to do is lose. However, faced with the option of a liberal Democrat and a fiscal conservative, it seems some people here are preferring the liberal Democrat.

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Oh, you already asked Doug Hoffman? 2nd largest state in the Union, and you only got 1 guy in your outfit? Who do you think you’re kidding? Why would you even try that? A liberal Republican works with Democrats. No more liberal Republicans. If all you got is liberals then you’re sure to lose, because we got an interest in seeing your liberals lose.

Chris_Balsz on December 22, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Keep calling Giuliani and people like him liberals. Go ahead. You’ll get the real McCoy instead – aka more of what we’ve already got in Washington. Then you’ll stamp your feet, and I’ll… well, I’ll be too depressed to say “I told you so.”
Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Did that “fiscal conservative” EVER say “whoa, New York doesn’t need all that federal money” one time, ever?

Chris_Balsz on December 22, 2009 at 1:15 AM

Bummer.

gbear on December 22, 2009 at 4:39 AM

So why does Giulani keep telling everyone he is going to run for some office and then drops out or gives up early?

Just PR stunts to get himself more TV time?

If it wasn`t for 9/11, where would Rudy be in the national limelight? He hasn´t done anything since then.

albill on December 22, 2009 at 6:18 AM

Lazio:

abolishing the senate to create a unicameral legislature.

maverick muse on December 22, 2009 at 7:55 AM

This Giuliani decision makes me concerned for his general health. Giuliani has aged significantly within the past year, a simple observation. I wish him well, and am sorry for his apparent reticence to campaign for himself. But perhaps he must retire from center stage, while still applying his influence to bear sway.

maverick muse on December 22, 2009 at 8:00 AM

I wish HRC could take the GOV seat and Cuomo could take the Senate seat. The HRC could take POTUS.

sigh

ginaswo on December 22, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Gillibrand would have been so easily beaten. She barely eeked out support in her district as someone who paid her dues and was strong on the Second Amendment.

I feel nothing but disgust for Giuliani now. It’s like it’s September 10 all over again, and he is Mayor Buzzkill, going after ferrets, dancing in bars and peepshows in Times Square.

chunderroad on December 22, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Oh, you already asked Doug Hoffman? 2nd largest state in the Union, and you only got 1 guy in your outfit? Who do you think you’re kidding? Why would you even try that? A liberal Republican works with Democrats. No more liberal Republicans. If all you got is liberals then you’re sure to lose, because we got an interest in seeing your liberals lose.

Chris_Balsz on December 22, 2009 at 1:11 AM

A local race, which is what NY-23 was, is NOT the same as a statewide race.

Guess what? In order for a Republican to win in New York, they have to be able to take a chunk of votes in New York City. Like it or not, that’s the way things operate here. Why did Doug Hoffman have a chance in NY-23? BECAUSE HE DIDN’T HAVE TO WIN VOTES DOWNSTATE. It’s not rocket science.

So basically, when given the choice between Giuliani and Gillibrand, you pick Gillibrand.

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Red Cloud on December 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Republicans and Conservatives will do just fine, thank you, without a Rudy Giuliani playing the Brett Favre role every couple of years. Tends to get in the way of developing political talent, you know.

Besides, Rudy is a bigger person than the position of US Senate, anyway. Like Sarah Palin, Rudy can only go for the elected office of POTUS.

BradSchwartze on December 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Republicans and Conservatives will do just fine, thank you, without a Rudy Giuliani playing the Brett Favre role every couple of years. Tends to get in the way of developing political talent, you know.

OK, then. Find me someone in New York who can run and win, therefore helping bring down the number of liberals in the Senate. I’ll wait.

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 12:48 AM

The NYSGOP is so far removed from political power in NY State right now that it probably wouldn’t hurt the young talent to start from the SocCon baseline. As long as they get SOME experience running for office.

BradSchwartze on December 22, 2009 at 10:11 AM

So basically, when given the choice between Giuliani and Gillibrand, you pick Gillibrand.
Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Yes! The first order of business is busting up the machine that gives a choice between two liberals.

Chris_Balsz on December 22, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Again, the real goal right now isn’t a quick win. It’s getting experience in running for higher office, and learning some of the political (don’t confuse with ideological) tricks of the trade from the other side.

The GOP in the rest of the country will capably hold things in place while the NYSGOP gets its young talent in place.

BradSchwartze on December 22, 2009 at 10:14 AM

OK, then. Find me someone in New York who can run and win, therefore helping bring down the number of liberals in the Senate. I’ll wait.

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 10:08 AM

You already declared Giuliani was It. You didn’t wait.

Chris_Balsz on December 22, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Yes! The first order of business is busting up the machine that gives a choice between two liberals.

Chris_Balsz on December 22, 2009 at 10:12 AM

I’m seeing all sorts of non compos mentis here. Please, elaborate on how Rudolph Giuliani is a huge fiscal liberal. I’ll wait here too.

You already declared Giuliani was It. You didn’t wait.

Chris_Balsz on December 22, 2009 at 10:24 AM

He’s the only one that can win, yes. And, as I keep telling you brick walls, he governs as a conservative. He’s not overturning Roe, so what does it matter what his stance on abortion is? Did you know abortion rates fell faster in NYC than anywhere else in the country during his tenure as Mayor? No? Oh, but don’t bring that up. HE’S A LIBERAL!

Seriously, it’s people like you that are the reason that we’re looking at 60 Senators jamming ObamaCare down our throats. I’m all about having standards for what we call conservatives (Dede Scozzafava was NOT acceptable), but if Giuliani, given a real, careful look at his overall record isn’t good enough to fit your mold, then we’re never going to get ANY conservative values coming out of the Northeast in statewide races. So you’re telling me that you prefer outright liberals to mostly conservatives? Yes, I do blame you for ObamaCare.

BradSchwartze, I understand what you’re getting at, but US Senate isn’t a place where people should be “getting experience in running for higher office.” It’s not where you grow your “farm team.” The goal needs to be to get young talent in place in the counties and in Congress (Doug Hoffman being a fine example for his location in the state), and they just don’t have that right now. Meanwhile, we’ve got a guy, on the bench, who would probably win for the Senate. Yes, I am disappointed that he isn’t running, but really, seriously, there’s no one left. Sending up one of these young neophytes to run against Gillibrand only to lose is not doing them any favors for their future in electoral politics.

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 10:33 AM

The GOP should now run Sue Kelly or KT McFarland.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on December 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM

The GOP should now run Sue Kelly or KT McFarland.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on December 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM

They aren’t awful ideas, but they aren’t winning ideas either. Kelly was defeated for re-election in ’06, and KT, although I like her a lot, can’t beat Gillibrand because she can’t pick up enough votes in NYC.

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Giuliani would rather make money that be beat to pieces every day by the media. That’s not a bad plan, it’s actually very smart. Sarah Palin better be paying attention.

Moesart on December 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM

They aren’t awful ideas, but they aren’t winning ideas either. Kelly was defeated for re-election in ‘06, and KT, although I like her a lot, can’t beat Gillibrand because she can’t pick up enough votes in NYC.
Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM

We’re DOOMED then. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED because apparently Rudy isn’t willing.

Obamacare is such a disaster only because you guys don’t vote out entitlements, ever. That’s a choice. A bad one.

Chris_Balsz on December 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Let me state this very clearly for those who think in terms of gaining or keeping a seat: New York’s 23rd CD will become Republican again. In the form of Utah’s 4th CD. Or, in the form of Georgia’s 14th CD. Or in the form of Arizona’s 9th CD. All of these will happen in the next reapportionment.

There are plenty of places where the GOP can get seats in the House or the Senate while the New York state GOP rebuilds itself.

BradSchwartze on December 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM

We’re DOOMED then. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED because apparently Rudy isn’t willing.

Chris_Balsz on December 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Yes. Rudy was the only fiscal conservative who had a shot at knocking off Gillibrand. That’s just the way it is.

Red Cloud on December 22, 2009 at 1:46 PM

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