The illusion of design
posted at 2:00 pm on December 20, 2009 by Doctor Zero
The basic argument in favor of government-run health care, among people who sincerely believe it’s the best way to reform the medical system, is that a program designed and administered by the State will provide health care to more people. As things stand, a certain number of people have no health insurance, and this is held to be unfair and dangerous… to the extent that the rest of us must endure a radical overhaul of the entire system, as the State takes control of the insurance industry first, and eventually all of medicine.
Why do these uninsured people lack coverage? The ostensible reason is that they cannot afford it, although in fact a sizable portion of the uninsured are young people who choose not to purchase expensive insurance, and many more are illegal aliens. Also, the nature of the laws surrounding health insurance make it very expensive to purchase privately, instead of receiving it as part of employment compensation, so rising unemployment (the signature feature of the Obama economy) means more uninsured. Still, the popular conception of the case for health care reform is based on the haunting image of millions of poverty-stricken sick people, wasting away from the lack of health insurance. As the slogan tossed around through Twitter earlier this year put it, “no one should have to die because they can’t afford health insurance.”
Why is health insurance so expensive that the poor cannot afford it? The Left believes this is a failure of the free market, with greedy health-insurance companies callously pricing their product out of reach, and slapping exorbitant premiums on anyone who isn’t the picture of health. The true answer is that government is primarily responsible for distortions in the health insurance market, dating back to the wage controls that made it commonplace for employers to offer health benefits as a means of attracting skilled employees. The law preventing the sale of health insurance across state lines is an example of government-induced price distortions. For a contrasting example of medical services becoming more affordable in response to free-market competition, consider the constantly falling price of Lasik eye surgery. The Left refuses to think clearly on this subject, and maintains that health care is a “human right” that should be available “free” to everyone.
Liberals insist it is simply unthinkable to allow financial considerations to impact the distribution of this essential human right. As Kirsten Powers put it recently, “Americans will die if we don’t provide universal health insurance.” Because money is the instrument through which free people express their will and make choices, the argument for socialized medicine boils down to the superiority of design and control over competition and choice.
So, in summary, the case for nationalizing health insurance is that health care cannot be entrusted to the unpredictability and greed of the free market. The individual purchasing decisions of free men and women are too chaotic. The only way to ensure access to health care for everyone is for the State to install a massive, strictly enforced system, complete with huge fines and jail time for those who fail to comply. This system would be superior to the free market, because it would be carefully designed by brilliant minds… engineered to deliver an incredibly complex, ever-changing service to hundreds of millions of Americans.
Is anyone stupid enough to think a “carefully designed system” is what the Democrats are about to drop on us?
Senator Ben Nelson (D-Nebraska) held up the Senate reform bill over his heartfelt concerns over abortion funding… until he was bought off with hundreds of millions of dollars in enhanced funding for Medicaid in his state. In a similar vein, language worth over $100 million was added to the bill, targeting the state of Louisiana, to purchase the vote of “moderate” Democrat Mary Landrieu. In other words, this “carefully designed” health care bill has different rules for people who happen to live in Nebraska or Louisiana, because this was necessary to buy the votes of their senators.
The Congressional Budget Office scoring for the health care reform bill is based on tricks and gimmicks, including Medicare reductions and cuts of over 20% in physician payments, that no one seriously believes will actually happen. A great deal of this health care reform package is a delusional fantasy, if not an outright fraud.
Socialist senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont jammed a 767-page amendment into the bill, then violated Senate procedures to suddenly withdraw it when Republicans forced the entire amendment to be read on the Senate floor.
Far from being a brilliant plan constructed by top doctors and financial experts in a government brain trust, this health-care bill is a twisted, deformed political document, seen in its entirety by only a few high-ranking politicians belonging to a single political party. Its components have not been precisely crafted as part of a fantastic system calibrated to ensure the maximum access to quality health care for all Americans.
The bill is not being examined with transparency and careful deliberation by representatives who behave as humble servants of the people and their Constitution. Instead, it’s being hastily rammed through in the dead of night, over the objection of powerful majorities of the American people, with desperate last-minute deals cut to acquire the necessary votes, financed by vast sums of taxpayer money. The primary consideration is not crafting the most sophisticated and intelligent health care reform… it’s getting a bill pushed through before angry voters have a chance to blast the Democrats out of Congress. Look at it this way: if the average middle-class American paid about $5000 in federal income tax last year, then you might be one of the 20,000 people who paid for Mary Landrieu’s vote, in the hope of giving Barack Obama a bill to sign as a Christmas present.
Aside from the nauseating payoffs, this kind of legislative taffy pull is to be expected in a representative republic. That’s how it works. People elect Congressional representation to look out for their interests. Legislation is modified by demands that can range from mild objections to stubborn intransigence. Parliamentary procedures are invoked by experienced politicians to shape the debate. Regional interests and passionate beliefs are poured into a bubbling stew of sections and sub-paragraphs. All of this is inevitable, and therefore good reason to avoid the absolute madness of allowing the President and Congress to nationalize industries, or posture as wise stewards of a high-performance command economy.
The moral imperative for socialized medicine is the belief that government can design a system to distribute health care more efficiently than the free markets. I challenge anyone who sincerely believes this to review the recent events in the House and Senate, and realize that representative government is utterly incapable of designing any such system. The merciless and tyrannical enforcement techniques required to ensure hundreds of millions of people comply with health care reform are utterly indefensible in the service of a monstrosity stitched together from back-room deals and nine-figure bribes.
The only logical way to maintain the integrity of a vast, complex program designed to control a trillion-dollar industry is to dispense with the “representative” part of our government model. Those who seriously believe the State must control health care, which is tied into the bulk of our economy and technological development, should stop fooling around with half-measures of tyranny. If health care is truly a “human right” that must be provided “at any cost,” then take a cold, hard look at the tortured gestation of the rough beast slouching from Harry Reid’s office to be born… and understand that liberty, democracy, and representation must be sacrificed, as part of that cost.
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Doc you are always the best.
tim c on December 20, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Brilliant commentary and summary of current events. Too bad the Left doesn’t read. THIS is what should be read into the record on the floor of the United States Senate.
Thank you.
JeffinOrlando on December 20, 2009 at 2:11 PM
It will slowly but surely change us from citizens into supplicants. We’ll all be in the charity ward.
Drained Brain on December 20, 2009 at 2:12 PM
I don’t even know where to start, there are so many salient points.
The only thing I can think of is:
My health-care statements are already complex. Each doctor has his/her own way of doing things. But at the end of the day, once I slog through each unique accounting method, I AM able to determine pretty closely what price I expect to pay for a procedure. And if I don’t like the price, I can doctor-shop or bargain with the one doctor and use another doctor’s quote to get a discount. That’s market freedom in action.
Does anyone realistically expect that:
1. The government system will be MORE understandable?
2. That I can choose the best doctor at the best price?
They’re fixing to trade an imperfect, but workable, system, for a monolithic train wreck.
Get all your procedures done now, is the best advice I have.
cane_loader on December 20, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Brilliant!
aikidoka on December 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Has anyone asked the nation’s doctors if they plan to go along with this?
If all the pilots go on strike, the plane doesn’t fly…..
My 65-y.o. orthopedic doctor says that he’s retired if this is signed. And he’s a damn fine doctor and man.
Thanks, Barry. Love you too.
cane_loader on December 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Now I will never die because the government is running our health care syste. WooHoo!!
/sarc
Brat4life on December 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Give me liberty or give me death.
Weight of Glory on December 20, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Two points:
1) Using Lasek surgery or cosmetic surgery as an example is utterly indefensible. These industries have the freedom of entry and exit. If I don’t like my face but can’t afford surgery, I go without. If I don’t like my cancer but can’t afford treatment, I die or accept debt bondage through bad luck
2) Using this health care bill as an example of what universal health care is or should be, is misrepresentation. Anyone who thinks this represents actual reform is practiced in either scapegoating or ignorance.
The Calibur on December 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Why yes, of course
Bleeds Blue, crr6, Grow Fins, Proud Rino, simplesimon
darwin on December 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Seriously…hahahahahahahah. Thanks for the laugh!
scalleywag on December 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Yawn.
Another repetition of the obvious, albeit well-written in this case.
When the audience knows very well what dung looks and smells like, it’s a waste of time to launch into a long, detailed explanation of the visual and olfactory characteristics of dung.
Earlier today, in a comment on another site, I wrote that it’s a shame that none of our conservative pundits are willing to lead their audiences instead of merely analyzing “policy” and “process” and engaging in wishful speculation like the wimps at NRO.
We need someone with a following to issue the call for (and help facilitate) mass demonstrations and mass civil disobedience. If a Limbaugh, a Beck or a MM would stand up against the totalitarian monsters of congress (and the White House) instead of saying (in effect) “we wuz robbed,” we might actually be able to push back against this atrocity.
In short, one of these “opinion leaders” need to say that the time has come for us to act like Democrats. Their methods have worked. I strongly doubt a conservative coined the phrase “by any means necessary.”
This stopped being a game some time ago. If we go on the field dressed for a polite game of tennis and the opposition is suited up for pro football, we will be trampled.
So sorry, DZ. Nice work, but you’re preaching to a choir with many members who still haven’t gotten the big picture. They understand what’s being done to us, all too well, but until someone starts the action, we’ll just read along, nodding in agreement, while our country is destroyed.
MrScribbler on December 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Ten years from now, or maybe 5, we’ll be posting comments like “I told them it would run up the deficit”, or “I knew they were going to end up rationing care”, or “Yup, wouldn’t you know, they’ve raised my taxes again.” We’ll be griping about this boondoggle till kingdom come.
scalleywag on December 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM
LOL, eternal life with government health care!
milemarker2020 on December 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Someone like Lt. Col. West perhaps? He could get people all fired up.
scalleywag on December 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Where did that come from?
burt on December 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM
“Legislative Taffy Pull” Brilliant!
GunRunner on December 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM
The libs will reap what they sow if this disaster is passed. Soon enough the torch of power will be transferred to the GOP and they might just decide to restrict, add or remove certain provisions which would directly affect those lefties.
Who is to say that the GOP couldn’t as easily adopt a scorched-earth policy as the demokkkrats have, throw caution to the wind and move forward on what they want to do, such as completely gut or cancel such legislation.
Bishop on December 20, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Judge Napolitano on The Glen Beck TV show on Fox : “What is a right“.
No one is addressing the supply side of the equation. Everyone is focused on the cost side of the equation as the liberals intend. If you really want to bring down the cost of a good, or a service, you increase the supply of it. You get government out of the way, because government makes decisions for political reasons, never economic reason.
Government regulations stifle innovation, competition, and this governmental effort mislabeled as ‘reform’ does not address the issue of those who receive the service being insulated from the cost of that service. Who cares what it costs if someone else is paying for it?
Click my nick for additional remarks.
Skandia Recluse on December 20, 2009 at 2:43 PM
No one here has any notion that this crap sandwich represents “reform”. It represent almost complete control over a free people, and almost total plunder of our individual treasure. It’s about taking the word “free” out of the free enterprise system.
Dominion on December 20, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Could someone tell me why insurance can’t be bought across state lines? Is it a law, states rights, ??
TIA
Tom
marinetbryant on December 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM
There is no question in the mind of any fair-minded person that this whole bill has become so corrupt, scabrous and offensive, that it is beyond repair or usefulness.
The only logical solution is COMPLETE repeal across the board and a complete new start on any attempt to “reform” “health care.”
Any presidential candidate willing to say something so refreshingly simple would immediately grab everyone’s attention.
Total repeal should be a non-negotiable foundation of any GOP candidate’s 2012 bid.
cane_loader on December 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM
As I was reading, I kept thinking of this grotesque howling beast as a visual metaphor for what these people are creating, similar to where the Doc leaves off. Far from creating this dynamic thing with life and liberty, it is instead like some Eraserhead baby, or one of the twisted, disturbing Ripley monstrosities from Alien 4. And it will grow and fester and destroy us all.
somewhatconcerned on December 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Two other gov-incuded distortions are: states that require bumper to bumper policies, that cover everything with a small co-pay, and don’t allow inexpensive catastrophic or high-deductible policies with HSA’s; and cost-shifting to the fully insured to make up the shortfall of medicare and medicaid payments, the government doesn’t pay for the full cost of the care, so the insured pay more to cover it. Both government induced, and both making insurance more expensive. Add on top of that the requirement that public hospitals give free services to the indigent, and you have all the makings for ridiculously high insurance premiums.
iurockhead on December 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Lt Col West is a good candidate for the job.
There are several good candidates. Sadly for reasons that I suspect may be partly political or financial, there’s a deafening silence on the action front.
I wouldn’t expect someone like Michael Steele to yell “charge!,” for obvious reasons. The “loyal opposition,” and all that.
The first one who leads on this issue — if any do — will be a genuine hero, IMO. And it won’t hurt their ratings or hit counts a bit.
MrScribbler on December 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM
I wholeheartedly agree. The terms of the game have changed and unless we are willing to die literally for this country as these Democratic politicians are willing to do die politically, we will lose this country this up coming decade.
These people have the audacity to pass this piece of sh** legislation, because their vision is beyond this country. They are on a globalist, socialist agenda and they are already 2/3rds of the way through with this agenda. The steps to socialism is to create two classes of people, the elite class and the welfare class. The welfare class must be populated with uneducated poor people with no initiative. The elite class with liberal intellectuals. They have control of our education system and you see the results. They are trying to flood this country with poor people with their next act, immigration reform. They control the car companies through their unions. They control the housing market and finance through TARP which they won’t end. They are taking over our health care system. And they are going to further their suicidal agenda, in passing Cap and Trade.
When I say suicidal, I don’t mean in terms political. I mean these people are willing to sacrifice this country and its glorious history and all the blood shed, for a utopian globalist agenda. They know their time is now with the most left wing president ever to occupy the Oval Office. They are willing to do this despite how unpopular their programs are because they don’t fear the electoral costs. They are doing the Census and they will do immigration reform, so that by 2012, they will have their numbers. It doesn’t matter what happens in 2010 if they get immigration reform. It won’t matter how many Tea Parties we throw, because they will out number us. Their intent is to flood the country with poor people to expand the welfare state and to pay for that welfare state with a devalued currency, higher taxes which are already baked in the cake, and a smaller military. This is their agenda and Obama is implementing it audaciously. I agree we must act and rally around a true patriot, a true leader that has common sense Tea Party values to stop this legislative agenda now! Not in November 2010. NOW! Or else its too late.
milemarker2020 on December 20, 2009 at 2:56 PM
And what if the government decides you don’t merit cancer surgery? Then what do you do?
You see this is all based on supply. If 100 people need cancer surgery but the infrastructure only allows for 95 people to be served, then 5 people are going to out of luck. How do you choose which 5?
The only long-term solution to the problem of shortage is to grow the supply. The free market does this well which is why something like Lasik surgery can drop in price and increase in availability.
One of the basic principles of the free market is that goods and labor will naturally flow to areas in which scarcity exists, in which profits are there to be made.
However, the government response to high prices is to inflict cost controls on the market. This is what government-run or government-controlled health care will do. They will seek to “bend the cost curve down” not by increasing the market, but through cost controls. The end result will be a shortage of goods and service since no one will freely enter into a market in which they are underpaid or their potential for profit is undercut.
Ask yourself this very fundamental question: Say you are a very talented young person and you can become either a cancer surgeon and work as a employee of the government-controlled health system and subject to their rules about how much much you can charge, or you can become a lawyer and write your own ticket in very lucractive field. Which do you choose?
There’s going to be a lot of talented would-be surgeons who are not going to sign up for Obamacare. The end result will be instead of 95 people getting that cancer surgery, the infrastructure might only allow for 90.
But of course, it will all be “free”.
PackerBronco on December 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Was Obamacare declared unconstitutional in 1925?
Linder v. United States, 268 U.S. 5 (1925)
2. Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously beyond the power of Congress. P. 268 U. S. 18.
DerKrieger on December 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM
If anyone doubts that the time for doing things the civil conservative was is past, watch C-Span 2 right now, or see if you can find a text of Sen Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), who sounds more like a member of a certain ruling German political party in the 1930s and ’40s than a rational, decent American.
The time is now, people. Will those who have the power to power up a peaceful American uprising against vile loons like Whitehouse wake up, or will we continue to take the dismantling of the greatest nation in the history of the world meekly?
MrScribbler on December 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Another great article by DZ.
The so called “health care reform” is another piece of the puzzle by the PTB to enslave the world in a form of soft tyranny. You will receive care only if it is “cost effective.” Each of us will have a specific amount of money allotted to us from birth and once that is spent, you are SOL and are required to die (Logan’s Run).
ny59giants on December 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM
If it is to be peaceful then those opposed to Obamacare must physical flood and lock down the Capitol. If Martin Luther King, Jr. could direct equivalent actions at the state level (and yes, he went to jail for stuff like this), then the People do have the ability to stop this. If the senators and representatives cannot physically get to the chamber they would have a hard time taking a vote. I would have to say that America would be hard-pressed to accept a health-care takeover that was voted upon in the Holiday Inn meeting room.
cane_loader on December 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Accurate andwell informed as always Doc but it only serves to erage me further that so many are buying this **** sandwich and eager taking a bite and forcing it down my throat as well.
Yakko77 on December 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Well, to me it looks as if America is waiting for a levee-break moment. The leak starts small but very, very quickly the whole thing collapses. The amount of anger against what Obama is trying to do to the United States of America is unlike anything I have seen in my lifetime -not even close.
Once someone steps forward, I predict that the whole thing will collapse. And by the whole thing, I do mean his presidency. He may actually be run out of office if he tries to stick to his guns.
cane_loader on December 20, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Don’t forget Normy Blitzer and voxpoopili. They add another 10 points to the collective IQ of this group of dysfunctional misanthropes.
Geochelone on December 20, 2009 at 3:19 PM
I know I’m mad and know other posters on conservative blogs are mad but where is the general outrage among the population you describe? Not doubting it’s there, just want to know where you’re witnessing this.
DerKrieger on December 20, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Whitehouse is a blue ribbon fool and I wonder why even the Democratic puppet voters of RI would vote for him. RI is a case of ‘we’ve been down so long it looks like up to us’ yet they never see the root causes of their problems. My home state once and I have a very real affection for it but weep for their stupidity and corruption. Union and lawyer controlled, so little or no chance for change any time soon. They also support a huge welfare population in proportion to the size and income of the state. Little posh and very zoning protected enclaves exist here and there so the powers in charge can escape the peons. The rest is approaching varying degrees of semi-slumhood. Buuuuut…everything changes sooner or later and I suppose that applies to RI too? lol
jeanie on December 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM
I see you have rounded up the usual libturds.
bill30097 on December 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Cloward & Piven
bill30097 on December 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM
2009- the year the Congress reinstated Serfdom.
(I predict the archaic word manumission will soon see a revival.)
Welcome to Obama’s Potemkin Christmas Village!
To your health… ~or else!
profitsbeard on December 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Thanks for another good read Dr. Z.
Geochelone on December 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Too bad the Republicans don\’t read either. Let\’s be honest, they haven\’t truly represented Conservative values in a very long time.
nater1976 on December 20, 2009 at 3:29 PM
As I critically re-read my RI post, something else occurs to me. I suppose it’s dawned on many of you too if you read it. It’s like Detroit, parts of NJ, New Orleans or any other geographic entity controlled by Democrats for the long, long, long term. MA and NY etc are saved by Boston and NY City, but states like RI that do no have mega-cities are doomed to third world status by their local government and their political habits. In places like RI if you are not part of the ruling class or the welfare class, you might as well move out.
jeanie on December 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Are they really insane enough to think they’re abolishing death?
Jim Treacher on December 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM
DerKreiger,
I see the anger in anyone watching FoxNews and/or listening to Limbaugh and/or Hannity.
And that’s a LARGE segment of the population.
My 20-y.o. cousin was over here doing some work with me and I had Rush on the radio. Cousin had never heard him. He kept asking questions as to why the Democrats would do things so counter to common sense. I chuckled and turned the radio up. Then a bit later my landlord showed up, spitting nails about Obama’s social sec’y claiming executive privilege over the party-crashers. My young cousin was tripped out as to how people are mad and he didn’t know. Then he started getting mad. He said he didn’t vote in 2008 because he felt he didn’t know enough about the issues. He said he will vote next time.
If humble country landlords are spitting nails, the anger IS widespread.
Mark my words, DerKreiger: America in 2009 is a powder keg. Be careful where you strike matches and toss your cigarette butts.
cane_loader on December 20, 2009 at 3:38 PM
The English fellow that Hannity and Beck had on a while ago(name escapes me)said that one of the reasons the UK can’t modify or get rid of NHS is that so many folks work for it that these skew the vote. I suppose this is not lost on Obama and friends.
jeanie on December 20, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Why is the government incapable of increasing supply? The supply of bombs and corn have greatly increased over the years. Can the government not put a mechanism in place to increase supply?
It can. The current politicians refuse. This doesn’t mean government can’t. It means this government at this time can’t. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
The Calibur on December 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Mr Scribbler @3:04
I’ve been watching CSPAN2 since the debates started at 1PM eastern, and some of the Republican Senators are on fire.
There have also been some very eloquent Democrats who say all the right words but the meanings they attach to those words are profoundly different from my understanding what of those word should mean because of the things those Democrats leave unsaid.
Skandia Recluse on December 20, 2009 at 3:43 PM
That closing paragraph gave me frightening chills more than any scary movie could. It’s because this slavering beast is real and coming to my home to stalk my family.
People, the only hope we have is to starve the beast – our rabid out-of-control government. “Voting ‘em out” will be too little too late. We will HAVE to tax revolt – it will be the last resort before civil war.
Redhead Infidel on December 20, 2009 at 3:44 PM
The question is, would you trust a government with the compassion of the IRS, the efficiency of the Post Office, and the effectiveness of FEMA to control your healthcare and its costs?
The vast majority of the people, in every poll across the board, resoundingly say, “Hell No”.
The suicidal elite are saying yes.
In the end, we’ll see who makes the real B+.
TXUS on December 20, 2009 at 3:45 PM
That could be true.
Yes.
Somewhere over the rainbow
Way up high
That’s a land that I heard of
Once in a lullaby.
Outside of a lullaby, of course, it would be:
This system would be a nightmare compared to the free market, because it would be chaotically and maliciously designed by morons and psychopaths …
MB4 on December 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM
<blockquote The Left believes this is a failure of the free market, with greedy health-insurance companies callously pricing their product out of reach, and slapping exorbitant premiums on anyone who isn’t the picture of health.
This is a complete lie. The left knows this is a lie, you cannot be intentionally stupid. Obamacare is a power grab, plain and simple.
Rode Werk on December 20, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Even the Mad Hatter is starting to have his doubts about them and he is usually very gullible. If they are losing him I think they have lost America.
Cheshire Cat on December 20, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Once again……….Bravo to the Doctor. Just fab writing! Merry Christmas (as an American, am I still allowed to say this?)
Cinday Blackburn on December 20, 2009 at 4:01 PM
It’s a T*rd! It’s a Shame! It’s …Super-Sham!
Health Care with the staggering efficiency of the DMV!
Health Care with the cost-containing example of the Post Office!
Can’t wait… to wait.
And find out that the A) procedure, B) new drug, C) doctor, or D) service is unavailable ~because of budgetary restrictions.
Here’s an IOU for your liver… next!
profitsbeard on December 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Yes, Doc…
They voted for Barack Hussein Obama for President of the United States.
Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2009 at 4:11 PM
My husband lost his health insurance with his job. When he tried to buy insurance privately, the company literally sent his check back to him. He was 55 and had hypertension and they were not interested in covering him. I tried to get him on my health insurance at work and they said it would be at least $235 a pay period, or $470 a month. We could not afford it. Now, he is trying to get some insurance with a very high deductible, about $5,000 for $300 a month. I hope this works.
In spite of our problems, neither of us support Obamacare, however, I think that some people who oppose it like to assume that everyone who does not have health insurance is either lazy or illegal or dysfunctional..and that is not true. There are all sorts of reasons why people do not have health insurance..but that does not mean the government needs to take over the entire health care industry.
Terrye on December 20, 2009 at 4:13 PM
And another misconception is that people who do not have health insurance do not pay their way. That is not true, my husband has never ask for or received anything from anyone that he did not pay for himself with money he had earned.
Terrye on December 20, 2009 at 4:16 PM
The government can’t even make the postal service understandable. How the $%&# are they going to make health care work?
Mojave Mark on December 20, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Press 1 if you have a broken leg: A home repair instruction manual and pain pills will be mailed to you within 10 business days.
Press 2 if you are having a heart attack: A home repair instruction manual and pain pills will be be mailed special delivery to you within only 2 business days …. … oh never mind as you will likely be dead by the time they would get there anyway.
MB4 on December 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Why Government Can’t Run a Business
The Obama administration is bent on becoming a major player in — if not taking over entirely — America’s health-care, automobile and banking industries. Before that happens, it might be a good idea to look at the government’s track record in running economic enterprises. It is terrible.
In 1913, for instance, thinking it was being overcharged by the steel companies for armor plate for warships, the federal government decided to build its own plant. It estimated that a plant with a 10,000-ton annual capacity could produce armor plate for only 70% of what the steel companies charged.
When the plant was finally finished, however — three years after World War I had ended — it was millions over budget and able to produce armor plate only at twice what the steel companies charged. It produced one batch and then shut down, never to reopen.
Or take Medicare. Other than the source of its premiums, Medicare is no different, economically, than a regular health-insurance company. But unlike, say, UnitedHealthcare, it is a bureaucracy-beclotted nightmare, riven with waste and fraud. Last year the Government Accountability Office estimated that no less than one-third of all Medicare disbursements for durable medical equipment, such as wheelchairs and hospital beds, were improper or fraudulent. Medicare was so lax in its oversight that it was approving orthopedic shoes for amputees.
These examples are not aberrations; they are typical of how governments run enterprises. There are a number of reasons why this is inherently so. Among them are:
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MB4 on December 20, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Are any media going to ask Obama and Reid about their “transparency”?
Schadenfreude on December 20, 2009 at 4:24 PM
WTF this sh!* better not become law.
Denniscat on December 20, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Heil Harry!
redfoxbluestate on December 20, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Obama made out the pharmaceutical industry as suckers for a quick “promise,” a deal with the devil (as Chavez called him).
J_Crater on December 20, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Just reading a few quotes from Whitehouse’s speech over on Kos. “GOP….want to break the momentum of our new, young President.” I laughed out loud. I don’t want to break his momentum either since it’s all downhill and gravity is taking over.
jeanie on December 20, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Well if there is such a disagreement on Obamacare maybe a Divided States of America is needed, the Democrat states, and the Republican states. I wonder who would emerge as the dominant economic power?
royzer on December 20, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Where are the Spartans when we need them ?
Sadly the Marxist prevails !
Sandybourne on December 20, 2009 at 4:44 PM
The problem with your thesis is there is no imperative for a free market to make anything fair. Monarchies are not fair. intelligence is not fair.
You are right of course. The Democrats can’t be trusted to do anything but blame America when she is attacked.
Only an Idiot thinks Free Markets should be eliminated.
Only a Moron thinks they shouldn’t be managed.
We need government health can and we need to start taxing Mexico.
Observation on December 20, 2009 at 4:50 PM
I hear there will be a vote at 1 am. The middle of the freaking night.
Terrye on December 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM
On the issue of buying off Senators for their votes, all I can say is the Obama administration may want to tone down their rhetoric on Afghanistan. If I were speaking for the Afghans, I would definitely chastise anyone talking about their political corruption.
I’ve always suspected we had some crooked politicians, but I never thought it would become so blatant that it would be covered on the news without any censure whatsoever. The realization that we have truly lost our way as a nation can be seen by this very fact.
texabama on December 20, 2009 at 5:08 PM
So we need someone to hack the video feed of every bar within a 20-mile radius of the Capitol.
Put out a broadcast that the Dems have inserted a beer tax.
Every bar within a 20-mile raduis empties at 12 midnight and the patrons descend on the Capitol. And they are pissed in more ways than one. They fill the chamber and refuse to allow a vote.
Throw your bodies upon the gears of the machine, to steal a tactic from Mario Savio and the Berkeley Free-Speech Movement of 1964.
cane_loader on December 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Of course, those voting on this will in no way be effected themselves and will continue to receive the highest level of care for life.
Hening on December 20, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Re: your first point concerning the comparison between Lasik providers and oncologists, I would posit the following:
It is true that there is a difference between a person shopping around for Lasik and one shopping around for chemo. The former does not need the procedure, it is not life or death. The former also has the luxury of time that the latter may not (although, having witnessed cancer treatment firsthand, I would say that even the most aggressive cancers do not necessarily demand treatment begin immediately; there is often time to consider various options). But you are only taking into consideration the transaction between the patient and the provider. This is not what will dictate cost. What will dictate cost is the degree of competition from other providers. That’s where prices will be set. At least that’s how I see it. That some might consider it unseemly to bargain for the best possible health care at the best possible price hardly seems a reason to throw out the baby with the bath water. I
NoLeftTurn on December 20, 2009 at 5:15 PM
If this mess is not rolled back the America of the future will go one of 2 ways.We will be a country of slaves to the Fed Government or a country at war with it,s self.The American spirit and desire to be a free people will be a hard thing to kill.I smell Revolution in the air.God i only hope we can stop some of this madness in 2010 if not Kattie bar the door.
thmcbb on December 20, 2009 at 5:23 PM
From Powerline: Where is Jim Webb? Please read!
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/12/025199.php
SheetAnchor on December 20, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Yawn.
Another repetition of the obvious, albeit well-written in this case.
When the audience knows very well what dung looks and smells like, it’s a waste of time to launch into a long, detailed explanation of the visual and olfactory characteristics of dung.
Earlier today, in a comment on another site, I wrote that it’s a shame that none of our conservative pundits are willing to lead their audiences instead of merely analyzing “policy” and “process” and engaging in wishful speculation like the wimps at NRO.
We need someone with a following to issue the call for (and help facilitate) mass demonstrations and mass civil disobedience. If a Limbaugh, a Beck or a MM would stand up against the totalitarian monsters of congress (and the White House) instead of saying (in effect) “we wuz robbed,” we might actually be able to push back against this atrocity.
In short, one of these “opinion leaders” need to say that the time has come for us to act like Democrats. Their methods have worked. I strongly doubt a conservative coined the phrase “by any means necessary.”
This stopped being a game some time ago. If we go on the field dressed for a polite game of tennis and the opposition is suited up for pro football, we will be trampled.
So sorry, DZ. Nice work, but you’re preaching to a choir with many members who still haven’t gotten the big picture. They understand what’s being done to us, all too well, but until someone starts the action, we’ll just read along, nodding in agreement, while our country is destroyed.
MrScribbler on December 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Needs to be shouted from the rooftops.
tigerlily on December 20, 2009 at 5:39 PM
A certain well known blogger notes that the CBO has already issued a correction.
The correction includes this classic line:
Drained Brain on December 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM
For what it’s worth, here are my two cents (for some reason, when I pasted it in, it didn’t double space between the stanzas. [I even tried triple spacing...oh well, u get the drift]):
“Twas the Night Before Healthcare”
By Chewythelab
T’was the night before Healthcare and all through the houses,
Th’ only creatures still stirring were silly white mouses.
The senate in session, oh wow what a scramble.
They’re hopin’ that health care can be their preamble.
On Nelson! On Conyers! On Reid, on you blowhards!
You’re screwing our futures, but that’s what you wanted.
But what to my wondering eyes do appear?
Why it’s Nancy Pelosi, and my, she looks queer!
She’s pruny, she’s prissy, she’s really quite sassy.
She looks like she farted, she’s really quite gassy!
“Now Harry,” She snarls (her voice dripping in anguish),
“Pay somebody off, don’t you let this bill languish!”
Obama’s determined, “This bill it must pass!”
He’s sounding pathetic that Narcissist Ass.
So, what to my wondering eyes do appear?
The RINOs on Sunday trying hard to strike fear.
It’s Lindsey, and Collins and Mac on Fox Sunday
Their tepid rejoinders will screw us by Monday.
So it’s all up to us, don’t let up on the task,
Keep calling, and faxing and e-mailing fast
Don’t give em’ and inch and tell all that you know
Of the horrors that await if this bill is to go.
Yell from the rooftops and scream if you must!
There’s too much at stake to start acting like pups.
Ben Nelson you bent over just like they sought..
Your (ahhm) hole exposed, but that’s just what we thought.
You RINOs! You moderates! You spineless lack-lusters,
Just melt down our wallets, you candy-assed suckers!
To this fight of our lives, we had better adhere.
Because if we don’t it’s so sorry my dear.
Barely two centuries after its founding,
The U. S. of A as a nation is floundering.
I wish it could be that its just silly stuff,
But Oh, my dear Maker, it’s more than just tough!
Stand up for our freedom, cause that’s what’s at stake!
Its not about “Healthcare,” geez give me a break!
As Obama exclaimed as we gave up our rights,
“You all are such suckers, so effing, good night.”
Chewy the Lab on December 20, 2009 at 5:44 PM
The English fellow that Hannity and Beck had on a while ago(name escapes me)said that one of the reasons the UK can’t modify or get rid of NHS is that so many folks work for it that these skew the vote. I suppose this is not lost on Obama and friends.
jeanie on December 20, 2009 at 3:38 PM
I saw that too. The number of English workers in their health care system is over ONE MILLION. I think their population is about 65 million.
With US population at 300 million, head thug Andy Stern and his SEIU hoards should occupy about FIVE MILLION gov’t. health care jobs and be guaranteed leftist voters.
tigerlily on December 20, 2009 at 5:46 PM
The CBO is a totally useless, useless group. Any projections they make ASSUME that tax revenues will increase or at least remain neutral.
History has taught us differently. Raise taxes, revenues DECREASE, (but I know I’m preachin’ to the choir!)
Chewy the Lab on December 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM
So far as I know none of these people are voting for health care. The truth is the people who were more concerned with beating RINOs than they were with defeating Democrats can stand up and take a bow right now because without them Harry Reid could not pass this abomination.
Terrye on December 20, 2009 at 5:48 PM
I heard Mark Steyn say the the only employer larger than the National Health Service in Britain is the Red Army in China..and I don’t think he was kidding either.
Terrye on December 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM
When I was younger and uninformed, I resented my paycheck being cut by health insurance. I was invincible.
Now, I’m informed and I still resent government telling me I have to care for myself.
Kini on December 20, 2009 at 5:51 PM
I understand that, the point is, the republicans have done a very pyss poor job in explaining, just why this is a horrible, horrible bill.
Even Boehner (I think it was him, but I may be wrong), just said after Harry’s pronouncement that it is (paraphrasing)”Disasterous legislation.”
They’re speaking in hyperbole, not specifics.What will it do?
For example: I plan on calling my Dr. on Monday to demand that they hand over my health records TO ME. That way, if I have them, the Doc won’t be required to submit them (via the internet) to the gob’ment, and I can just carry a copy with me whenever I have a doctor visit.
Doubt if it will fly, but worth a shot…y’all lawyers out there…whatta ya think?
Chewy the Lab on December 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM
We were put in the water by most every POTUS since LBJ. The last crisis and this gang have removed the stopper. We are going down the drain.
And we have exactly the leadership to get us where we are headed. Fraudulent election activity, bribes for legislative votes, a citizenry that sends characters like Murtha back to office because of his wasteful gifts to the voters, a media full of propaganda, a Dear Leader who is a joke to most of the world, aggressive mercantile economies ruining our trade arrangements and mountains of spending entitlements and debt.
Another two or three election cycles like this one and handing trillions over to the developing world will be out of the question. Our economy will be as screwed up as theirs. Free enterprise economies with ethical government models are vanishing like the democracies of the ancients were replaced by the feudal systems.
And they wonder why people are buying gold and ammo?
IlikedAUH2O on December 20, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Chewy the lab:
I disagree. I have heard plenty of Republicans talk about how crappy this bill is and it must be working because the majority of the American people don’t want the damn thing.
Terrye on December 20, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Good stuff Doc, I am going to send out a mass e-mail linking to this. Folks need to read it.
conservnut on December 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM
And Americans will die even if we do provide UHC. It’s built into the genes and time’s arrow (entropy) always wins.
chemman on December 20, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Offhand, I would say that we are some distance from the Gov’t collecting all the health records in the nightmare database which the national health scheme would perforce create, anyway..
Be aware, though, that various medical bureaus have your records; they sometimes even have your prescription records. Applying for life insurance is one example of when these items are collected. And this is not even considering feeral employees or people who had health reviews for other reasons.
Like any government program, the capture and use of your records will likely be slow, inefficient and then devstating. You have time.
IlikedAUH2O on December 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM
My argument is that many many more will die under UHC.
conservnut on December 20, 2009 at 6:37 PM
No doubt conservnut, no doubt about that at all.
chemman on December 20, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I have the feeling the world is heading into a new dark age, being led by the
United Nations and the United State congress.
Has Joseph Stalin finally won the cold war?
Dhuka on December 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM
should have added and many who think they can control those of us who don’t want to be controlled in that way.
chemman on December 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Did you ever read Asimov’s “Foundation Trilogy?”
I think we’re headed towards that type of dark age situation.
chemman on December 20, 2009 at 6:55 PM
OT:Yemen airstrike a failure on every level http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/200104.php
theTarCzar on December 20, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Americans will also die if they don’t have food. But this isn’t an argument for the government taking over all, or even the majority of, food distribution. We allow the vast majority of food delivery to be provided by the market (albeit distorted by ag subsidies), and seem generally able to tolerate the fact that rich folks buy much nicer dinners than poor folks do. We have a safety net in place for those who can’t afford what the market provides. And the results are clear — while hunger isn’t eradicated, and that is a tragedy that must always command our attention, it’s a comparatively smaller problem among the poorest among us even than obesity.
Most of the problems in our health care system are the result of government distortions of the market rather than market failures. The academic literature is pretty clear on this — read Amy Finkelstein’s work demonstrating that the establishment of Medicare did much to spur increased health care cost inflation.
There is no empirical rationale for the view that Americans will be healthier if we expand the federal role; it is simply the easiest political course for elected officials who want to show an immediate effort to address health care shortcomings.
Chuckles3 on December 20, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Chemmin
Yes, I read Asimov when I was too young to grasp his meaning.
Now, at 70, I unfortunately do.
Dhuka on December 20, 2009 at 7:26 PM
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