Quote of the Day

posted at 9:00 pm on December 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

“The question is not just whether you can reverse the vote. … If he reversed it once, he can do it again.”

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At the risk of getting caught in the crossfire – and sounding like your mother – floatingrock, unclesmrgol and lovingmyusa – go to bed!

And tomorrow, I want to see you united against our common enemy and ready to use your talents with God’s help to bring down the beast. Now go to sleep. ;)

tigerlily on December 21, 2009 at 3:32 AM

Yes mother! ;)Guilty as charged…
Beating a dead dog here folks. Either go to bed or change threads if you aren’t going to write about the subject of thread…

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 3:42 AM

Liberty is my ability to breath clean air unsullied by your cigarette smoke.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2009 at 3:28 AM

Actually it means bit more than that:
1. a. The state of being free from control or restriction. b. The right to act, believe, or express oneself as one chooses. C. The state of being free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. 2. Freedom from undue or unjust governmental control. 3. A right to engage in certain actions without interference or control.

When it comes right down to it, liberty has very little to do with enforcing your personal preferences on other people.

That’s just a fact.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 3:45 AM

unsullied by your cigarette smoke.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2009 at 3:28 AM

By the way, I don’t smoke.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 3:46 AM

Hey, kids…don’t make me come up there…. lovingmyusa won’t be grounded as long as the rest of you, but you won’t be happy if I have to go get your father…(that’ll make you pause for a second of two, anyway…)

tigerlily on December 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM

Oh, and by the way, am taking my own advice…nite all…..

tigerlily on December 21, 2009 at 3:50 AM

…the government will require you to have two bathrooms and that they be handicapped accessible–even if no one in a wheelchair ever comes into your establishment.

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 3:30 AM

True, but that’s different. Even a cigar club, (which is illegal in my state), intended only for smokers and smoke-friendly people should be accessible to people in wheelchairs, IMO. Failing to provide access to wheelchair bound smokers is discrimination whereas allowing smokers and others who voluntarily participate is not.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 3:52 AM

You are SO lucky I decided to drop the subject–heh :)

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 3:32 AM

We’ll call it a draw, it’s getting late. :)

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 3:54 AM

And tomorrow, I want to see you united against our common enemy and ready to use your talents with God’s help to bring down the beast. Now go to sleep. ;)

tigerlily on December 21, 2009 at 3:32 AM

Right: common enemy: Tigerlily! :)

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 3:55 AM

tigerlily on December 21, 2009 at 3:50 AM

Night mom, I will make sure the door is locked before I go to bed!

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 3:57 AM

Right: common enemy: Tigerlily! :)

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 3:55 AM

That’s no enemy, she’s my momsistah!
Peace, and good night.

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 3:59 AM

Either go to bed or change threads if you aren’t going to write about the subject of thread…

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 3:42 AM

Good plan, but I should point out that our conversation was about statism, which has long been one of the foremost complaints about Huckabee, and how this conversation got started.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 3:59 AM

Peace, and good night.

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 3:59 AM

Good night.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 4:00 AM

Huckabee should be simultaneously on a news channel
and pushing for political issues
thphilli on December 20, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Ya mean like Olbermann, Madow, Mr. Ed and tingles?
ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC,

DSchoen on December 21, 2009 at 4:00 AM

Oh, and FloatingRock???

Touched ya last! *Sticks out toungue!

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 4:00 AM

How is it OK for a person who has a news show to be running a rally for or against some political issue.

“who has a news show”

Ahhhhhhhh Huckabee show is a opinion show.

DSchoen on December 21, 2009 at 4:07 AM

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 4:00 AM

:)

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 4:14 AM

Liberty is my ability to breath clean air unsullied by your cigarette smoke.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2009 at 3:28 AM

Not really.
Liberty has nothing to do with what you define as “clean air” much less your “right” to breathe it.
Liberty has everything to do with the smoker’s right to smoke, a personal liberty, a liberty which has been severely abridged and taxed in this country of late.
The worst thing Conservatives ever did was bow to the Big Pharma financed smoking bans and subscribing to the false common wisdom that Second Hand Smoke was harmful.

Jenfidel on December 21, 2009 at 7:19 AM

I really like Huck’s rhetoric. It’s when I start looking at his actual record that I say “No thanks.” I could support him as VP because he would be good at being the mouthpiece and attack dog.

Kafir on December 21, 2009 at 7:46 AM

Kafir–I agree. He is good VP material. I think most of us agree that it is good to have someone/anyone speak out against this government. We must start attacking and attacking and never let up. No matter what, bill or no bill. We may be disappointed, but we will not be defeated–the line in the sand has been drawn We will need every voice out there to be raised–WE WILL MAKE THEM HEAR US!!!

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 8:05 AM

Wow, it looks like REAL america is full of homely middle-aged women who wear christmas sweaters.

simplesimon on December 21, 2009 at 8:28 AM

I really like Huck’s rhetoric. It’s when I start looking at his actual record that I say “No thanks.” I could support him as VP because he would be good at being the mouthpiece and attack dog.

Kafir on December 21, 2009 at 7:46 AM

That’s what many are saying about Obama…they like what he said, but the record is different…time we put the record in front, and personality in back.
There are many issues and actions that are infinitely better then most any liberal, but we can find better representation for our conservative views. He is better then any liberal, but not as good as many conservatives…

right2bright on December 21, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Finally. The voice of reason from a girl. Thank you, Jenfidel.

And, LovingmyUSA, go back and read my original post about conditioning. I even put the word ‘Most‘ in bold.
Now I know how frustrated Boortz gets when he has to say “Not all (fill in the blank) are baaaad!” in a derisive fashion. Always in imitating a caller who, as usual, wasn’t listening.

Lanceman on December 21, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Dear Lance,
That subject is closed.
We have bigger battles to fight.

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Huckabee is right on.

keepinitreal on December 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM

I realize this is completely off topic, but I have to address this.

Liberty is my ability to breath clean air unsullied by your cigarette smoke.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2009 at 3:28 AM
Not really.
Liberty has nothing to do with what you define as “clean air” much less your “right” to breathe it.
Liberty has everything to do with the smoker’s right to smoke, a personal liberty, a liberty which has been severely abridged and taxed in this country of late.
The worst thing Conservatives ever did was bow to the Big Pharma financed smoking bans and subscribing to the false common wisdom that Second Hand Smoke was harmful.

Jenfidel on December 21, 2009 at 7:19 AM

Hey, I say we use the same rationale for alcohol that was used for tobacco – triple down on the current tax!

Have the PC police use the same tobacco jihad tactics against anyone buying booze. That is, start a campaign to ridicule and belittle anyone seen drinking. Make them societies outcasts. Afterall, anyone who abides in alcohol is a potential danger to themselves and others. They aren’t making the proper personal choices.

Oh, what’s that, – it’s ok to tax those stupid smokers you say. Those cigarettes aren’t good for them and we need to nanny them into proper behavior.
/s

And remember these cautionary words from C. S. Lewis: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. “

SoldiersMom on December 21, 2009 at 10:23 AM

MrScribbler on December 21, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Why MrScribbler, have I got a deal for you! You can generously volunteer your good name and time toward an equal protection lawsuit. Think of all the good press you’ll get when you do so, especially if you can prove personal harm done by the granting of a special tax exemption to Nebraskans.

Why do I think you won’t do such a thing?

BradSchwartze on December 21, 2009 at 10:31 AM

MrScribbler on December 21, 2009 at 2:08 AM

You know, you’re definitely proving a certain notion held by people that conservatives are ill-mannered and ill-tempered. Really, now: All 100 Senators must be defeated? And just who are you to make that statement? You’re just an ill-tempered commenter on HA who hasn’t updated his Blogspot blog in about 3 months. Why should we take you seriously?

BradSchwartze on December 21, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Wow, it looks like REAL america is full of homely middle-aged women who wear christmas sweaters.

simplesimon on December 21, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Racist.

uknowmorethanme on December 21, 2009 at 10:50 AM

By the way, I don’t smoke.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 3:46 AM

But it’s your smoke anyway. You support it, you own it.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Actually it means bit more than that:

FloatingRock on December 21, 2009 at 3:45 AM

Thank you for agreeing that my right is included in the definition.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Not really.
Liberty has nothing to do with what you define as “clean air” much less your “right” to breathe it.
Liberty has everything to do with the smoker’s right to smoke, a personal liberty, a liberty which has been severely abridged and taxed in this country of late.
The worst thing Conservatives ever did was bow to the Big Pharma financed smoking bans and subscribing to the false common wisdom that Second Hand Smoke was harmful.

Jenfidel on December 21, 2009 at 7:19 AM

We disagree. Tobacco smoke is, amongst other things, a poisonous gas. Nobody has the right to blow poisonous gas on another person, thus forcing them to breath it. I don’t see that right in the Constitution, and I refuse to recognize it when someone asserts that it is a right.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2009 at 11:13 AM

SoldiersMom on December 21, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Their behavior costs society millions of dollars every year in healthcare costs. Those aren’t millions they pay — they are millions the taxpayers pay. Like murder, I don’t want to subsidize the industry, and, in fact, want to penalize those who are associated with same.

I still remember a woman with a child who approached me in the supermarket parking lot on Christmas eve, begging me to buy some food for her kid. I almost fell for it — until she went over to her car where her husband/boyfriend/whatever sat in the vehicle smoking. When she turned to come back, I said “Never mind. If your husband can afford his cigarettes, then he can afford to buy food for your children.”

I understood where these people were — because that’s my mom — she had her ciggies even when we had to raid my piggie bank to buy bread.

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2009 at 11:22 AM

BradSchwartze on December 21, 2009 at 10:31 AM

BradSchwartze on December 21, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Do you have a family member that is a Senator? Otherwise, why are you being so petty? Do you have a blog that you updated constantly? Or are you jealous that you don’t? Read your own words, for they could be thrown back at you!

You know, you’re definitely proving a certain notion held by people that conservatives are ill-mannered and ill-tempered. Really, now: All 100 Senators must be defeated? And just who are you to make that statement? You’re just an ill-tempered commenter on HA who hasn’t updated his Blogspot blog in about 3 months. Why should we take you seriously?

Good grief go back to bed and get up on the right side!

lovingmyUSA on December 21, 2009 at 11:30 AM

And remember these cautionary words from C. S. Lewis: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. “ SoldiersMom on December 21, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Thanks for that great quote from Lewis. The generation has passed that truly understands where this takeover is going. God creates all life, He’s pro-life. The ideology that seeks to destroy life is evil.

Mojave Mark on December 21, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Wow, it looks like REAL america is full of homely middle-aged women who wear christmas sweaters.
simplesimon on December 21, 2009 at 8:28 AM

See what you learn once you leave that Gay bar!

DSchoen on December 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Oh, what’s that, – it’s ok to tax those stupid smokers you say. Those cigarettes aren’t good for them and we need to nanny them into proper behavior.
SoldiersMom on December 21, 2009

Why stop there?

If were going to become a Nanny Nazi State lets do it right!

# 1 Car crashes kill 40K every year in the USA. Most of those killed are males under 25 years old, so lets ban males under 25 from owning or operating any motor vehicle.

They will still have to buy auto insurance.

(remember that when you read or hear 44K Americans die each year due to not having health insurance. Yes Harvard DID include include this group in their study)

Ya know snow skiing kills a lot of people every year lets ban skiing!

Injuries rates per 1000 visits to the slopes range from 3 to 10. Knee injuries are most common, but broken bones and death are possible.

Why should I have to pay for your Injuries due to your dumb Choices ?

Speaking of dumb Choices, obesity is a major problem.

We need to issue a “Buyers Card” to each and every American.

This card will have to be used to purchase ANYTHING.

What you buy will be recorded in a central data base, say, if your weekly purchase exceeds your allotted caloric intake that six-pack of sodas will not cost $1.98 but $29.98. You will not be allowed to NOT purchase the $29.98 six-pack of sodas, we can call this a “Teaching Purchase”.

The uses of this “Buyers Card” are endless, link it to the IRS and used to determine if you are spending more than you REPORT to the IRS, well then ya found a TAX cheat!

Isn’t that great!

DSchoen on December 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Isn’t that great!

DSchoen on December 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM

you betcha! At least the people participating in the risky activities get to pay for them, rather than the rest of us having to pay for things we don’t do. A completely flat tax based on consumption rather than earnings.

As for spending more than you make, that is indeed the government in a nutshell. I can’t see why it would be illegal, unless you don’t have a Federal Reserve….

unclesmrgol on December 21, 2009 at 8:41 PM