WaPo/ABC poll: Obama support plunges on global warming

posted at 11:15 am on December 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Even before Barack Obama did his Neville Chamberlain impersonation in Copenhagen, Americans had begun to turn on his approach to anthropogenic global warming, and on AGW in general.  In a survey conducted between December 10-13 for the Washington Post and ABC, Obama’s support plummeted on this issue from a 61/23 split in April to 45/39, a 32-point drop in the gap.  And in conducting this survey, WaPo/ABC did a little dishonest question editing that changed the direction of support for government regulation by making it much less specific:

As President Obama arrives in Copenhagen hoping to seal an elusive deal on climate change, his approval rating on dealing with global warming has crumbled at home and there is broad opposition to spending taxpayer money to encourage developing nations to curtail their energy use, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

There’s also rising public doubt and growing political polarization about what scientists have to say on the environment, and a widespread perception that there is a lot of disagreement among scientists about whether global warming is happening.

But for all the challenges American policymakers have to overcome, nearly two-thirds of people surveyed say the federal government should regulate the release of greenhouse gases from sources like power plants, cars and factories in an effort to curb global warming. Last week the Environmental Protection Agency said it is putting together plans to control the emissions of six gases deemed dangerous to the environment and public.

Support for such a regulation is down 10 percentage points from June, but majorities of Americans remain supportive of such regulations even if they increased monthly bills, so long as they lower greenhouse gas levels. If energy bills jumped $10 a month, 60 percent back new limits; at $25 a month, it’s 55 percent.

Is it?  The question changed from the surveys taken in the past in a subtle but significant manner.  Look at the difference between the two:

Previous Polls

23. (HALF SAMPLE) What if a cap and trade program significantly lowered greenhouse gases but raised your monthly electrical bill by 25 dollars a month – in that case would you support or oppose it?

     Support   Oppose   No opinion
8/17/09     39        59          1
6/21/09     44        54          1
7/28/08     47        51          2

This weeks poll

28. (HALF SAMPLE) What if that significantly lowered greenhouse gases but raised your monthly energy expenses by 25 dollars a month – in that case, do you think the government should or should not regulate the release of greenhouse gases?

           Should   Should not   No opinion
12/13/09     55         42            3

What’s missing now? The mention of the cap-and-trade bill. This makes a comparison problematic, and it most definitely doesn’t answer whether the public supports any kind of cap-and-trade legislation currently in Congress.  And since skepticism on AGW has returned to its highest point in years, that seems to be a strange change indeed:

32. Do you think (most scientists agree with one another) about whether or not global warming is happening, or do you think (there is a lot of disagreement among scientists) on this issue?

Most agree A lot of disagreement No opinion
12/13/09 36 62 2
7/28/08 39 57 4
4/10/07 40 56 3
3/14/06 35 64 1
2/13/98 30 67 3
10/5/97 35 62 3

The administration is losing its battle to maintain the pretense of a consensus on AGW. Imagine what would have happened if the media had reported on Climategate to anywhere near the extent they did with, oh, Sarah Palin’s headband.


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Here are my thoughts on the subject, put to a nice holiday tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGFWkMU24_o

cannonball on December 19, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Does anyone really expect honesty from the MSM?

GarandFan on December 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Obama = Slim Pickens riding the bomb all the way down.

Robert_Paulson on December 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM

The media is frantic. What have they done wrong? Their propaganda hasn’t worked.

darwin on December 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Here’s a great Global Warming picture:
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/politics/2009/12/19/diplomatic-storm-snow-storm?slide=2

zmdavid on December 19, 2009 at 11:24 AM

All roads lead to Copenhagen (but they have to go through Waterloo to get there)

hang in there, champ

ted c on December 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Fellas: my wife and I just trudged through knee deep global warming that has our city literally socked in for the next three days

ted c on December 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM

It doesn’t matter. They don’t care about what the American people think. This country is no longer a “representative republic” – it has been fundamentally transformed into a “democracy” – like, say, Venezuela.

Buy Danish on December 19, 2009 at 11:29 AM

I am sorry, I think that now that they have gotten Health care through, they have a template to ram more garbage through. We are in deep mess.

Cindy Munford on December 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

So the hell what!

It doesn’t matter. Why post garbage like this. They can do whatever they want…A meaningless poll doesn’t do anything.

tomas on December 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Hmmmmmm … seems everything the American people are against the democrats are for. That means something, I wonder what it could be.

darwin on December 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM

It doesn’t matter. Why post garbage like this. They can do whatever they want…A meaningless poll doesn’t do anything.

tomas on December 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

What exactly do you want to see?

darwin on December 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I would think it quite wise for O’Bomber and company to put the climate issue waaaaay back on the burner, and do it now! They need to get us to forget about this massive failure before they have zero support for any of it. Of course, the way to do that is by ramping up the rhetoric on ANOTHER topic. I expect that to happen almost immediately. The fraud in the White House won’t even be asked about any of this in another week or so. He gets another pass.

GoldenEagle4444 on December 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Imagine what would have happened if the media had reported on Climategate to anywhere near the extent they did with, oh, Sarah Palin’s headband.

And there in lies the problem. The news media in this country is decidedly leftist. If not for the internet, talk radio, and Fox News our point of view would be heard only in cafes and grocery stores.

Though out gunned in the beginning, the new media is turning the tide in this country. Hot Air, take a bow.

donh525 on December 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM

. We are in deep mess.

Cindy Munford on December 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Indeed. We will need hip waders.

portlandon on December 19, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Obama = Slim Pickens riding the bomb all the way down.

Robert_Paulson on December 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM

And what happened to the world after Slim’s Ride?

Osama Obama and his cronies are trying their best to set off the Doomsday Machine, and it seems more and more likely they’ll succeed.

MrScribbler on December 19, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Jobs = Fail
Economy = Fail
Diplomacy = Fail
Commander In Chief = Fail
Health Care = Fail

NEXT?…

Votes for Illegals and Global Warming will be his next failure. Can’t wait.

Mojave Mark on December 19, 2009 at 11:38 AM

I love how this poll is released on the day of the Great Blizzard of ’09. God has an awesome sense of humor !

Tony737 on December 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM

I’ll have see what Ben Nelson thinks on the matter. He may be our only hope to avoid cap and trade.:)

a capella on December 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Climategate!

d1carter on December 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Our government is trying to destroy itself.

Then it can be remade when we all have to start from zero. This is the Marxist Socialist dream. A population of poor equals with no power of purse to control the government. When people have enough money, they can make choices in their life, they can buy private healtcare, SUV’s, guns, donate to policians who have their interest in mind, etc. Think that’s hyperbole? Ask yourself this question, if you really wanted to destroy a government and bankrupt the nation, what would you do? I’m thinking that what I would do is pretty much what is being done in congress now.

I have always said that the triad of freedom is the dollar, the voice and the gun. The dollar is the most important because it enables us to have the voice and the gun. That is why our marxist government is going to destroy it first.

Bikerken on December 19, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Snow? It’s not even officially winter, yet.

Lanceman on December 19, 2009 at 11:43 AM

The notion of our paying developing countries billions–for any reason–is inconceivable to me.

BuckeyeSam on December 19, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Many fewer Senate Dems support “climate” legislation that they did for health care, because the economic impacts are disproportionately felt in heavy manufacturing states. Dems who’ll be against or at least on the fence:

– Bayh
– Landrieu
– McCaskill
– Harkin
– Levin
– Stabenow
– Casey
– Rockefeller
– Lieberman
– Dodd
– Specter (depending if vote happens pre or post primary)
– Carper
– Webb
– Warner
– Dorgan
– Johnson
– Conrad
– Tester
– Baucus

Cap-N-Tax will be nearly impossible for them especially in an election year.

Robert_Paulson on December 19, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I want to see something meaningful. Not, Oh this is dead, the president’s ratings are falling. It gets the locals riled up but in the real world it doesn’t effect anything.

The dems are in control and can pass whatever they want. There is no acknowledgment of this on this site. Just small gotchas.

tomas on December 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I am sorry, I think that now that they have gotten Health care through, they have a template to ram more garbage through. We are in deep mess.

Cindy Munford on December 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

I was talking with my son this morning about this. Everyone was saying the Healthcare Plan was political suicide for the dems. Well, if so, why not go all the way?

Healthcare is only the start, Cap and Tax, immigration reform, card check, all socialists programs are on the table.

No hope and a lot of change.

donh525 on December 19, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Our government is trying to destroy itself.

Then it can be remade when we all have to start from zero. This is the Marxist Socialist dream…………….

Bikerken on December 19, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Cloward-Piven Strategy

iurockhead on December 19, 2009 at 11:48 AM

“But for all the challenges American policymakers have to overcome”


The American people are suspicious of sending any more money to third world ruler’s Swiss bank accounts. So what is there to “overcome”? I think the final straw in the Global Warming scheme was when world “leaders” gathered together in Hopemchaneam and demanded money from the U.S. A little to raw a shakedown in my mind.

The bottom line. There is nothing to overcome. Don’t spend money on this science-fiction hoax.

Fred 2 on December 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM

tomas on December 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

You’re right in this sense that if they are completely ready to disregard all public opinion and enact their agenda — then sure, there’s nothing stopping them, least of all the congressional GOP.

However, the senate and house consist of politicians. Which means they have to stand for election. In the face of the angry voter, these guys almost uniformly turn into cowards.

My point — I don’t think they have the stones to enact their agenda. Particularly, the Dems in red/purple states.

Robert_Paulson on December 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM

NEXT?…

Votes for Illegals and Global Warming will be his next failure. Can’t wait.

I’m not sure where he goes after this. He’s already pissed his base off so bad that if he were to go to Cap/Tax or amnesty he’d be twisting that knife in the back of traditional Union Rat voters even more. Both directly affect them and are impossible sells in this economy.

The political capital he had has been largely spent one year in.

He and Rahm need to find a rache of bridge naming and ribbon cutting ceremonies for the next 6 months to soften the blow of 2010……

JoeinTX on December 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Do scientists lie?

/

CWforFreedom on December 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM

OMG if the media said a PEEP, these numbers, AS Obama’s would be MUCH different.

marklmail on December 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Polls? Who cares what the polls say?
Just buy off the politicians and get the votes. The sheeple will get used to it.

And if we do get a Republican majority they’ll just ‘fix’ things around the edges to pay off their own people.

When can we put a fork in this republic?

solidaction on December 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I’m in the research business and anyone who deals with research methodology will tell you that tracking answers to questions which are asked differently simply can’t be done…

Marconi on December 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Great letter in the Columbus Dispatch today (at least they are printing dissenting opinions as they in general carry the water for the believers every chance they get)–

Global warming is far from being imminent threat
Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:13 AM

Columnist Eugene Robinson, in his Forum piece of Dec. 4, “E-mails look bad, but polar ice still melting,” says, “Most Americans are convinced that climate change is real.” While temperatures have been slowly rising over the past millennium, there is little evidence that humans are the cause or that a majority of us are concerned.

The temperature rise from 1000 to 2009 is just 1 degree.

He wrote, “In one message sent to a long list of colleagues, (Phil) Jones (head of the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, in England) speaks of having completed a ‘trick’ with recent temperature data to ‘hide the decline.’ ”

The message was to Michael Mann of the University of Pennsylvania, originator of the hockey-stick graph used by Al Gore in his movie. The message actually says “your trick,” meaning what Mann had done to his own figures. The graph, showing a very rapid rise in the 20th century, has been widely criticized. To get temperature data, Mann used “proxies,” in this case mostly tree rings. The problem with tree rings is they show only summer growth. If the winter is very warm or very cold, you will never know it. The hockey stick also shows no evidence of either the Medieval Warm Period (800-1300) or the Little Ice Age (1300-1850), phenomena widely documented by others.

Temperature data gained in recent times has relied on ground stations here in the U.S. Most of the stations are in urban heat sinks and tend to record higher-than-normal temperatures. Satellite data, available since 1959, refutes much of the excessive-warming data from the Climatic Research Unit and others.

“Hide the decline” refers to the inability of any climate model to explain the cooling of the past 10 years, and the efforts of the Climatic Research Unit, Mann and others to manipulate the data at any cost. Jones temporarily has stepped down from the research unit. Mann is under investigation by the university. Robinson is correct in saying that the e-mails showing the scientists squelching dissent are “most damning.”

Climate scientists agree that, if the carbon-dioxide content of our atmosphere doubled, the temperature would rise just 1.2 degrees. The current concentration is 388 parts per million. The current rate of increase is 2 ppm per year. Doubling would take 194 years. No algorithms are needed; just extrapolate from graphs used by the research unit, Mann and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Control. Humans are responsible for just 3 percent of CO{-2} emitted. Water vapor, by far the greatest contributor to global warming, is out of the control of man.

Why is there such a rush to spend trillions of dollars on a project over which we have very little control? Under the proposed cap-and-trade act, we will be put into the ludicrous position of borrowing trillions of dollars from the Chinese to give to China and India to build wind farms.

JOHN McFADDEN
Groveport

CWforFreedom on December 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM

The administration is losing its battle to maintain the pretense of a consensus on AGW. Imagine what would have happened if the media had reported on Climategate to anywhere near the extent they did with, oh, Sarah Palin’s headband.

This is all about propping up the first black president. Which is sad. He’s not being judged on his merits as a human being, but on the color of his skin. Which makes the media the racists. Would they have propped up any other dem, had they won the white house? I seriously doubt it.

capejasmine on December 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM

The notion of our paying developing countries billions–for any reason–is inconceivable to me.

BuckeyeSam on December 19, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Especially in a recession that i fear has not hit anywhere near bottom yet.

theTarCzar on December 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM

I have to say I’m pretty demoralized and that doesn’t happen but once every 5 years or so. I don’t like where the country is going and there doesn’t seem to be an alternative right now.

If I thought republicans would do something about it…I might not be…I just don’t.

tomas on December 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM

This is all about propping up the first black president. Which is sad. He’s not being judged on his merits as a human being, but on the color of his skin. Which makes the media the racists. Would they have propped up any other dem, had they won the white house? I seriously doubt it.

capejasmine on December 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Well theyve covered for the corruption of Frank,Rangel,Reid,Boxer,and damn near half the dems.They are part of this wave trying to sweep over us.I blame the media more than anyone .

theTarCzar on December 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Obama could care less about his polls. Health care should prove that. Cap and Trade? No worries. His EPA will implement an even more draconian version.

It is over folks and has been since Obama, Reid and Pelosi got control. With the current Repub leadership, looking like used car sales people, there is no hope. Even getting control of the House, Senate and the Presidency will never be able to change the bills they are putting in place.

This is the price we are paying and will continue to pay for Repub malfeasance as regards fiscal restraint and small government in all things while they were in control. The current leadership was part of that cancer. That was the crew that passed the ethanol and perscription drug bill boondoggles topped off with the bridge to nowhere.

patrick neid on December 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

What a joke the “one is, oh sorry not enough respect to close quote.

mhrepub on December 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Well theyve covered for the corruption of Frank,Rangel,Reid,Boxer,and damn near half the dems.They are part of this wave trying to sweep over us.I blame the media more than anyone .

theTarCzar on December 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM

COMPLETELY CORRUPT MEDIA

Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank, Schumer, etc etc are criminals. What they are doing (with the cover of the complicit media) is CRIMINAL. What if a Republican congress was cramming through multi-trillion dollar pieces of junk legislation BEHIND LOCKED DOORS on CHRISTMAS NIGHT??? Holy God, the media would be hyperventilating! These crooks should be in jail, not propped up as heroic statesmen. It’s bizzarro world!

marklmail on December 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM

I have to say I’m pretty demoralized and that doesn’t happen but once every 5 years or so. I don’t like where the country is going and there doesn’t seem to be an alternative right now.

If I thought republicans would do something about it…I might not be…I just don’t.

tomas on December 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Republicans can’t do anything about it. I feel your demoralization. We all feel the same way.

darwin on December 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Do scientists lie?
CWforFreedom on December 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM

More like, “If a AGW Scientist tells a lie in the forest, do world temperatures go up 5 degrees?”

scotash on December 19, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I have to say I’m pretty demoralized and that doesn’t happen but once every 5 years or so. I don’t like where the country is going and there doesn’t seem to be an alternative right now.

If I thought republicans would do something about it…I might not be…I just don’t.

tomas on December 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Morrisey’s opener relates to your comment:

Even before Barack Obama did his Neville Chamberlain impersonation in Copenhagen

When you go back and read about pre WWII, Chamberlain was cheered when he returned from kissing the behind of Hitler. England (the nation which can no longer be named, for political correctness) was swamped with the equivalent of Huffpo peaceniks who wanted everyone to just get along, even if they had to bow to the new potentates

Wikipedia, on Chamberlain’s triumphant return to England

The two men signed the paper then and there. When, later that day, German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop remonstrated with Hitler for signing it, the Führer replied, “Oh, don’t take it so seriously. That piece of paper is of no further significance whatever.” Chamberlain, on the other hand, when he returned to his hotel for lunch, patted his breast pocket and said, “I’ve got it!

The Jackass having just bought a used car from the Wolf

Unlike today, Hitler told Chamberlain he was going to invade Czechoslovakia

On arrival in Munich, the British delegation was taken directly to the Führerbau, where Daladier, Mussolini and Hitler soon arrived. The four leaders and their translators held an informal meeting, with Hitler stating that he intended to invade Czechoslovakia on 1 October. Mussolini distributed a proposal similar to Hitler’s Bad Godesberg terms—in fact, they had been drafted by German officials and transmitted to Rome the previous day. The draft was debated by the four leaders, and Chamberlain raised the question of compensation for the Czech government and citizens, which Hitler refused to consider

And the crowds in England still cheered Chmberlain

So take heart, Tomas, the crowds are not cheering today in the USA despite the MSM slather job

I believe we will still be thrown into a terrible maelstrom and have to fight for our lives, but at least we know we were not all bowing along with Obama-lain

And I agree with you on the GOP. They have not changed. They are simply thinking the public will shift back to them on reflex. The GOP will have to be changed, from within which means new delegates have to force their way into the country club

Got nothing else to do, We are facing WWIII and have to try and preserve some of this nation to be able to face the threat bigger than Obama-lain

Take heart. Our volunteer army proves we have people willing to put their money where their heart is. Joshua said it right (24:15), And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD With that strength he prevailed

entagor on December 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM

President Obama bent over for foreign leaders, once more.

This time, he was simply facing the other way.

Star20 on December 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Looks like Palin was right … Obama should have boycotted Hoaxenhagen.

darwin on December 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM

This time, he was simply facing the other way.

Star20 on December 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM

They do sex to him?

darwin on December 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM

The Copenhagen agreement was kind of like a bunch of robbers demanding that you transfer your bank assets to them.

Obama and Hillary came to the rescue saying; “Do what they tell you!”

Star20 on December 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

A-

He’s getting socialized health care by spending our tax dollars to bribe congressman.

Skywise on December 19, 2009 at 12:48 PM

And in the meantime crazy Harry is shoving his socialist healthcare manifesto up the collective butts of all America. Thank you enlightened voters you really stuck it to us this time.

rplat on December 19, 2009 at 12:53 PM

When I consider who were speakers at Copenhagen, and how they were cheered, it is astounding. Mugabe. Chavez.

These are deformed demented court jesters compared to Hitler

One can give Hitler credit for coherent speeches. Hitler built up a (twisted) historical perspective of Germany in his speeches and then carefully tied it in to his master plan. Was he evil? Yes. Insane? Who knows. But the complexity of his (evil) rhetoric was shoulders above sulfur-stink-chavez, and thug-mugabe.

Chamberlain and Obama, both delusional simpletons

If any doubt exists on Obama’s capabilities, consider how he dealt with China (not)

Obama functions well enough in a system created by others, using well established lords of power to manipulate their troops, and using embeds to manipulated government entities. That system has deep roots and can pull a lot of rabbits out of the hat for an amateur magician like O, who himself was pulled out of the hat to service the Lords of the System.

O was dumb enough, I am assuming, to think if he told the evil gnomes behind the scenes that he too hated America and wanted it to fall, that they would be behind him in any battle. So much for understanding demented gnomes.

This is the problem of sending a puppet to work without a puppetmaster

entagor on December 19, 2009 at 12:57 PM

I am sorry, I think that now that they have gotten Health care through, they have a template to ram more garbage through. We are in deep mess.
Cindy Munford on December 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

I see you’re sorry. Aint everybody happy that youall showed them damn RINOs. In the name of conservative purity, we gave the socialists a near-undefeatable majority.

Instead of slow and sure conservative advances, all you guys wanted instant RINO extinction. See what it got you!
We will have RINO and socialist extinction next election (if they let us), but the damage will be done and nigh on unrecoverable.

Old Country Boy on December 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Well, its about time we get away from this red herring and focus on the real earth catastrophy facing our planet:

Anthropogenic Continental Drift

As I’m sure you are all aware, the shifting of the tectonic plates leads to earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanos. This movement of the earth’s mantle has been positively proven to have been caused by the rise in obesity among Americans.

The added weight of US citizens (particularly those who insist on wearing spandex pants) presses down on the planet causing the earth’s crust to buckle which results in massive death in indonesia.

Forget about Carbon Footprints, I’m concened with 300+ lbs. footprints!

Put down that hamburger and prevent Continental Drift!

I’d show you the raw data but I accidentally shredded and burned it. What? Are you one of those DENIERS?

kurtzz3 on December 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM

***
HI ENTAGOR–12:28. Good post–your Joshua quote is one I always remember. A good guide for all people in their lives. No compromise with evil–ever.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on December 19, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Obviously, polls don’t matter to this government. We will just have to wait and see if elections matter.

mobydutch on December 19, 2009 at 2:07 PM

kurtzz3′s theory was peer reviewed by me and I find it okey-dokey.

But Kurtzz3′s theory needs to add a component of continental drift caused by all the fat Americans inducing a wobble in the Earth’s rotation like an unbalanced tire.

Pelayo on December 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Take heart. Our volunteer army proves we have people willing to put their money where their heart is. Joshua said it right (24:15), And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD With that strength he prevailed

entagor on December 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM

The only thing that gets me through this is the knowledge that God has a plan…I just hope He has a plan B…

lovingmyUSA on December 19, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Global temperature average is on the decline?

Does anybody have a reference that refutes the following NOAA analysis?

Global Highlights
• Global land and ocean annual surface temperatures through October are the fifth warmest on record, at 0.56 °C (1.01 °F) above the long-term average.
• NOAA scientists project 2009 will be one of the 10 warmest years of the global surface temperature record, and likely finish as the fourth, fifth or sixth warmest year on record.
• The 2000-2009 decade will be the warmest on record, with its average global surface temperature about 0.54 °C (0.96 °F) above the 20th Century average. This will easily surpass the 1990s value of 0.36 °C (0.65 °F).
• Ocean surface temperatures (through October) were the sixth warmest on record, at 0.47 °C (0.85 °F) above the 20th century average.
• Land surface temperatures through October were the fifth warmest on record, at 0.80 °C (1.44 °F) above the 20th century average.

oakland on December 19, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Imagine what would have happened if the media had reported on Climategate to anywhere near the extent they did with, oh, Sarah Palin’s headband.

I still can’t believe they reported on that. It’s a sad, sad world. This is why talk radio does so well, they talk about things that matter to people.

xax on December 19, 2009 at 4:22 PM

• The 2000-2009 decade will be the warmest on record, with its average global surface temperature about 0.54 °C (0.96 °F) above the 20th Century average. This will easily surpass the 1990s value of 0.36 °C (0.65 °F).

Well if you read the emails, even the climatologists acknowledge that there has been a cooling trend in this decade.

It’s interesting all you have are random stats. How does any of this prove that your supposed warming is due to the activity of mankind? You use the term “long term average”, but neglect to tell people that your average is based on, at best, 200 years worth of data points. How can a 200-300 year average of anything (surface temps, ocean temps, etc) matter on a planet that has been in existence for billions of years?

That is one fundamental point that has never been fully answered. The fact is no one can really understand the dynamic equilibrium that is earth unless you have actual long term, accurate, consistent data points. Not guesses, predictions or temp ranges- but accurate measurable data. And by long term I don’t mean 200 years, but more like 100,000 years worth. And I don’t want random temp ranges from ice cores or tree rings, but consistent worldwide measurements for the next 100,000 years. At that point, maybe we’ll start to scratch the surface of climate change.

xax on December 19, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Well if you read the emails, even the climatologists acknowledge that there has been a cooling trend in this decade

Do you have a reference?

oakland on December 19, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Hey BHO …….

Why waste your time with this “climate change” nonsense??

If you REALLY want to do something to effect humanity’s future ……….

STOP PLATE TECTONICS!!

bannedbyhuffpo on December 19, 2009 at 10:46 PM

oakland on December 19, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Looks like NOAA, NASA and the CRU are on the same page…They are stonewalling release of their raw data…These organizations have sacrificed their credibility, committed fraud, to support their political leanings. You’re repeating the ravings of madmen here serves no purpose…

Nozzle on December 20, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Helooooooooooooo please understand that it has NOTHING to do with the cap n trade or the health care bill both of which will pass. This guy has taken over. We are lost unless we take up voters and get these traitors out of office. NOT because they want to destroy our Country, but because they are far too ignorant to understand the damage they are doing. These are intellectual midgets and we must prevail…. NOW what…. where the hell are the so called 6 million listeners of Rush and the other many millions of Hannity and the other big guys on the waves????? Get them into action Rush……….. Oreilly sucks and can’t even begin to rally a one car funeral. He caters to Obama and the horrid woman who said that she has “NEVER been proud to be an American…. et. Where are all these people. This is such a joke when I hear how many “listeners” they have. NADA…….DO SOMETHING DAMMIT.

highninside on December 21, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Would they have propped up any other dem, had they won the white house? I seriously doubt it.

capejasmine on December 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM

You’d be wrong.

runawayyyy on December 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Do you have a reference?

oakland on December 19, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Do you have the raw data? Yeah, neither does the NOAA.

runawayyyy on December 21, 2009 at 3:07 PM