I’m in. I’ve been saying this for weeks, I’ll be d@mned if I’ll support this f**king marxist government. I’m retired, a casulty of the economm. I’m retired but my wife still works. If ObamaCrap v.1 passes, she’ll file a W-4 claiming 99 exemptions and we will not, repeat, will not pay income taxes.

Onager on December 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Wow, what a great plan. Amazing that someone like you isn’t employable. Enjoy your audit, race fan!

“Better” than Hawkdriver? You’re not fit to lick the bottom of his boots, you contemptible worm.

Mary in LA on December 21, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Right on sister!!

In the second place, Hawkdriver and the other posters here who serve in the military put their lives on the line for you, every day. What, ever, in your entire miserable little existence, have you put your life on the line for?

“Better” than Hawkdriver? You’re not fit to lick the bottom of his boots, you contemptible worm.

Will the Catholic Church’s lawyers now help to advise us how to resist supporting the Democrat abortion mill? I doubt it.

“If you don’t [fight], this program, I promise you, will pass just as surely as the sun will come up tomorrow. And behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country… until one day as Norman Thomas said, we will awake to find that we have socialism. And if you don’t do this and if I don’t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.”

-Ronald Reagan

With the vast majority of people too busy attending their kids soccer games to care about political “stuff” the country is an easy mark for politicians and Libs that want to take away more and more freedom and personal liberty from citizens.

Think about the small things that we’ve allowed the Gov’t to do for us……

…..low flow toilets (that you have to flush 2 or 3x).

…..gas containers that have those new caps that you can’t hardly open (the store that I bought the old one at told me that it’s now ILLEGAL TO MANUFACTURE the old style (normal lids) containers).

…..low flow shower heads……that force you take showers longer because there isn’t enough water pressure.

…..now gov’t MANDATED 35 PSI tires. What your SUV had listed previously as 45 psi (softer ride) has now been replaced with a 35 PSI tire (they tried voluntarily telling people to lower the pressure in their tires and they didn’t do it so they just made it ILLEGAL to sell them). CHECK THE FINE PRINT ON NEW TIRES.

…..Seatbelt laws, smoking (and where you can and can’t) laws. New Thermostat laws coming soon.

These INCREMENTAL losses were met with no resistance from the citizens……..again too busy with life to raise a stink.

Slow creeping tyranny……..it’s been here for a long time working on Americans.

Dissent is fine, but revolution is treason.
crr6 on December 19, 2009 at 10:59 PM

“Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”
-Thomas Jefferson

And receive most excellent health care while in jail.

It may actually be the course of choice for seniors.

Sort of like living together rather than getting married to avoid cuts in Social Security.

Starting to float around twitter:

NATIONAL STRIKE JAN 20, 2010 to coincide w/ STATE OF UNION SPEECH NATIONWIDE STRIKE over Obamacare & THREATEN we will not PAY INC TAX
elduende on December 19, 2009 at 10:24 PM

I’m in. I’ve been saying this for weeks, I’ll be d@mned if I’ll support this f**king marxist government. I’m retired, a casulty of the economm. I’m retired but my wife still works. If ObamaCrap v.1 passes, she’ll file a W-4 claiming 99 exemptions and we will not, repeat, will not pay income taxes.

lol hawk! no i think we need you guys to focus on the frontlines, at least while you’re deployed, let those that benefit from your efforts start to pick up a little of the slack and fight for their freedom in the rear areas.

elduende on December 19, 2009 at 10:53 PM

elduende is correct. We’ll open a new front here.

A medical case anecdote about the “European way”. A 73-year-old woman with carotid artery stenosis – “narrowing” of the arteries that provides blood to the brain – was refused surgery to “clear the blockages”. This wouldn’t be as significant if only one side was affected – rather in this case both sides were affected. The degree of stenosis bilaterally was > 90%. Of course, “free” state-run health care deemed that surgery wasn’t necessary because of her age. (This same person would have had this procedure in the US.) So, at 76, she has a massive stroke. Unfortunately for her, she doesn’t die, and has just enough functional capacity to warrant incredible costs of continuing care. But, its free.

What would be more cost effective? The “preventive”, yet necessary surgery at 73, or the gamble that eventually the 73-year-old woman would have a massive stroke & die? Oops, but they don’t happen to think about what happens to these people if they live. (Word to the wise – Italy is a fun place to visit – just don’t have a stroke during your trip.)

Good luck finding that internist. Hope you have your own supplemental insurance.

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Firefly_76 on December 20, 2009 at 7:40 AM
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Thank you for educating me regarding the costs of becoming an attorney. My brother-in-law is a patent attorney who recently lost his job – due to cuts in business. I understand this economic mess is also difficult for attorneys.

Unfortunately, attorneys like John Edwards – who made millions off of incorrect science in the courtroom – has yet to return any of his earnings. But, then again, I believe, to be consistent, he worked for it, he earned it. Too bad that obstetrician/gynecologists & anesthesiologists will continue to be held responsible for the health of a child for 18 years after birth…

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Plaintiffs’ malpractice lawyers do not charge by the hour. They charge a percentage of the recovery,

slp on December 20, 2009 at 8:15 AM
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Thank you for the clarification – and reminder. Although I can be a bitter bastard, I have worked with malpractice attorneys during med school – and do realize that they do provide a good service – for both defendents and plaintiffs.

There are plenty of cases that warrant awards to a plaintiff. But, there are filed lawsuits (frankly, cases that would not win in court – nor should ever have been filed) – that instead of dropping the cases – usually settle out of court. The firm I worked with was reputable – this was not done much.

There are attorneys (and firms) who file a lawsuit with the goal to settle out of court. They gamble they can outmaneuver the defendent’s attorneys. The physicians – who may actually not have been negligent – may be counselled to settle because it is cheaper for the hospital and the insurance company (holding the policy), to do so. It smacks of sanctioned extortion.

Demographics also matter. Simply speaking – an identical case, if presented in a Detroit courtroom versus a courtroom in western Michigan – may have opposite outcomes.

Am I way off base here? Or is this a fair assessment?

Where all Americans have basic health care? Absolutely.

crr6 on December 19, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Yeah, sounds dandy crr6. Just peachy.

A recent “Investor’s Business Daily” article provided very interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health Organization:

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:

U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:

U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:

U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:

U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners per million people:

U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in “excellent health”:

U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%

Basic Healthcare crr6? Try crap healthcare.

Last thing, you’ll never appreciate what you don’t earn. You’ll take it for granted. An America like that would be dead and not worth saving. Something new, borne of old American ideas and principles would have to emerge from it for this world to have any chance at all.

hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 11:16 PM

That may well be the comment of the year Hawk. And thank you for your service
+1M

Another distraction … Isn’t the real tip off “the bill is not available to the public”?

tarpon on December 20, 2009 at 9:10 AM

NATIONAL SECURITY: need to know basis

Either crr6 is independently wealthy or s/he/it may have to start appreciating the value of hard work and sacrifice sooner rather than later.

Firefly_76 on December 20, 2009 at 7:40 AM

crr6 s/h/it will never learn, stuck on stupid blaming s/h/it inheritance or someone else. So s/h/it’s bane is that no matter the investment cost, s/h/it doesn’t cut the grade except as sewage. These elite parasites spread cultural Ebola to most cruelly take life from their hosts.

Starting to float around twitter:

NATIONAL STRIKE JAN 20, 2010 to coincide w/ STATE OF UNION SPEECH NATIONWIDE STRIKE over Obamacare & THREATEN we will not PAY INC TAX

elduende on December 19, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Keep the Spirit: CUT TAXES!