Report: Stupak working with GOP to kill ObamaCare after Nelson’s sellout; Update: “Unacceptable”
posted at 2:29 pm on December 19, 2009 by Allahpundit
So strange have the bedfellows become that this story is breaking almost at the same time that this one is. Pro-life and pro-choice, united at last!
Question: Will the nutroots regard Stupak as a traitor for working with the evil GOP or an unwitting hero in trying to block a bill they regard as a sellout to corporate America?
An aide to Rep. Bart Stupak (D. Mich.) coordinated opposition to a Senate compromise on the place of abortion in health care legislation this morning with the Republican Senate leadership, the Conference Catholic Bishops, and other anti-abortion groups, according to a chain of frantic emails obtained this morning by POLITICO.
The emails show that Stupak — who has so far remained silent on language accepted by Senator Ben Nelson (D. Neb.) and faces intense pressure from the White House to accept it — is already working behind the scenes to oppose the compromise…
Stupak is the leader of a group of pro-life Democrats who say they’ll oppose the sweeping legislation if it uses government money to pay for abortion, while McConnell is firmly committed to killing the legislation. The fact that the two have made common cause against the Senates health care compromise will likely further infuriate Stupak’s Democratic colleagues in the House, and demonstrates his willingness to stop any bill that doesn’t pass his test.
I’m assuming the leaker here was someone who’s supporting the bill and eager to shatter Stupak’s pro-life blockade in the House, although I can’t imagine how they would have gotten hold of the e-mails. Or was this actually leaked by Stupak himself as an early warning to Pelosi that he’ll need to be bought off too like his pal Ben Nelson was? (If so, how does “further infuriating” his own side, including possibly members of his own anti-abortion coalition, by secretly coordinating with the GOP strengthen his hand?) Here again is Stephen Spruiell’s calculus of Democratic votes in the House; remember, Pelosi can only afford to lose two net yes votes after passing her own bill, 220-215. The strategy, I assume, will be to appease House progressives by dropping Stupak’s abortion language while using the lack of a public option in the final bill to woo Dems in Stupak’s anti-abortion coalition. Even if she loses 20 votes among House liberals who say they can’t vote for a bill without a public plan, potentially she’ll gain back 20 among weak pro-life Blue Dogs for whom a bill without a public plan is a real treat. Hoyer thinks it’s feasible, but whether he said that because he believes it or simply because he wanted to keep the pressure on while Nelson was deliberating is anyone’s guess.
Exit question: Can anyone explain to me why Bayh and Lincoln and Pryor and the rest of the Blue Dogs in the Senate who represent the 60th vote aren’t now demanding a Medicaid buyout for their state like Nelson got? Big Ben might have sold out America on abortion but at least he has something to show his constituents. The rest of them are voting for an increasingly toxic bill and getting jack in return. Is there some subtle strategic point to this that I’m missing or are they simply the royal schmucks we suspect them of being?
Update: Fixed the blockquote to correct Politico’s earlier typo about Stupak supposedly backing the Senate bill. (He’s opposing it, of course.) Meanwhile, an update:
“I never talked to McConnell about the health care bill,” said Stupak, adding that that “I did not authorize the email [which] “was sent without my knowledge.”
Stupak said that he has discussed the Senate’s abortion position with conservative Democratic senators Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Robert Casey (Penn.). His opposition to the senate’s language, in spite of those conversations and intense pressure from the White House, could augur a challenge to the compromise in the House when the two versions of the bill are reconciled.
The Senate language represented “a dramatic shift in federal policy,” said Stupak, adding that he remained hopeful that the differences could be resolved in conference. Nelson, though, said earlier Saturday that his support for the legislation was contingent on the abortion compromise remaining in it.
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Hmmmmmm … Civil War Part Deux!
The red forces will blockade all blue urban areas, leaving urbanites with dwindling supplies of arugula and body moisturizers. After days of dry, rough skin and having to eat iceberg lettuce, the frantic urbanites will surrender … all without a single shot fired.
darwin on December 19, 2009 at 6:55 PM
It’s just the “home” link on facebook , it should show your friends..
the_nile on December 19, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Dude, us hard working, make America go, citizens don’t burn down our own villages!
Once the costs become obvious, the repecussions too painful, we are comin after you and your lazy ass, freeloading friends!
dhunter on December 19, 2009 at 6:57 PM
I’m the Queen of Sheeba.
Knucklehead on December 19, 2009 at 6:57 PM
lol
disillusioned on December 19, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Will this be written on a cold December 5 years from tonight?
When was the beginning of the end of the United States of America?
Was it the creation of the Fed (that led to the extraction of so much of the wealth of the country for foreign creditors) in 1913?
Was it the institution of the Federal Income tax?
Was it Social Security?
Was it Medicare / Medicaid?
Was it the creation of WELFARE that chained generations of the poor to their new master Uncle Sam?
Was the never shrinking Federal bureaucracy and power?
Was it the appetite of Americans for more and more goodies financed by debt and willing enablers in D.C.?
Was it TARP (the asset program that was supposed to lead to buying Toxic assets but wound up being changed the day after it became the law of the land) that is completely unaccounted for by the Treasury?
Was it when George “New World Order Junior” W. Bush made the speech that said that he abandoned free market principles to save the free market?
Was it when John McCain said we had nothing to fear from an Obama Presidency at that town hall in Minnesota giving the signal to moderates that Obama was A-OK?
Was it Obamacare in 2009?
Was it McCain-Reid Amnesty bill in 2010?
Was it the 2010 Census that redrew the maps and led to generations of Democratic / Liberal / Marxist power?
Was it the 30 million former illegals that voted 75% for the Democrats in the 2010 mid-term elections and saved the Dems from massive losses?
Was it the Cap & Tax bill enacted by Mandates by the EPA and Energy departments in 2011?
Was it the Immigrant Compensation Fair income bill in 2011 that passed that created 30 million new guaranteed income receipients of U.S. Treasury funds?
Was it the Chinese and World Bank or Soros that finally called the debt of the U.S. in 2012 leading to the collapse and takeover of Equity Markets just before the Presidential elections leading a frightened U.S. Electorate to re-elect President Obama?
What was it patriots?
PappyD61 on December 19, 2009 at 6:59 PM
240 years was a good run for this once great nation. All good things come to an end. RIP AMERICA
angryed on December 19, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Hmmm….
lovingmyUSA on December 19, 2009 at 7:06 PM
It’s just the “home” link on facebook , it should show your friends..
the_nile on December 19, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Oh, OK…Thanks for the info.
SHARPTOOTH on December 19, 2009 at 7:07 PM
It ain’t over yet, pal.
docdave on December 19, 2009 at 7:07 PM
I know the Republicans are not the brightest bulbs in the world, but I hope they can craft an alternative bill that they offer to the voters in 2010 prior to November.
They should have 10 bullet points on what parts of this thing they will rescing…and 10 point on what they would do to fix the system.
And try to think outside the box….you can’t solve the whole thing by blaming a boogey man like fat cat lawyers.
Thoughtful and targeted.
Oh, and fire your campaign consultants, they suck (and a fair number are probably moles for the Left)
r keller on December 19, 2009 at 7:08 PM
rescing=Rescind
r keller on December 19, 2009 at 7:09 PM
I’m the Queen of Sheeba.
Knucklehead on December 19, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Yes, you are, Sorry if I annoyed you.
SHARPTOOTH on December 19, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Good graphic of Nelson in action.
H/T: Dave in Texas and Slugblog at Ace.
Mr. Joe on December 19, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Not annoyed, just having some fun with ya. I’m really Donald Trump.
Knucklehead on December 19, 2009 at 7:19 PM
We must put the fear of God into these people.There are enough people in ever one of these peoples state or district to vote every last one of them out of office .I don,t care if they are red or blue states we can do this. I have never seen so many people angry with there Government and ready to throw all of them out.Can you imagine the total fear these jerks would fill if on Nov.3 2010 the headline in the NYT read democrats loose 85 house and 14 sen. seats.
thmcbb on December 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Are you in either Ed or AP’s FB fan club?
ladyingray on December 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Not annoyed, just having some fun with ya. I’m really Donald Trump.
Knucklehead on December 19, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Yeah, and i’m the queen of sheeba, lol
SHARPTOOTH on December 19, 2009 at 7:21 PM
hah! shows how bad your intelligence is. Iceberg lettuce has been ironically hip for several years now — I even had it for dinner last night — though if our supplies of blue cheese dressing and hickory smoked bacon were cut, it would hurt.
This reminds me of conversations with black co-workers back in the 70s when I asked them, “why didn’t y’all burn down the white neighborhoods.
Though, the truth is most cities contribute more to the frderal treasury than we get back, many city people are just as hard, or harder working than you country folk, and the lazy ones are already getting Medicare (not that all Medicare recipients are lazy) so the whole health care debate is moot.
Bleeds Blue on December 19, 2009 at 7:22 PM
SHARPTOOTH on December 19, 2009 at 7:16 PM
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Not annoyed, just having some fun with ya. I’m really Donald Trump.
Knucklehead on December 19, 2009 at 7:19 PM
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Knucklehead: You wish!(And,I kid):)
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Bleeds Blue, you seem nice enough. But you and your friends are clearly freeloading cretins.
Chuck Schick on December 19, 2009 at 7:26 PM
So,is there no Democrat,Liberal,Communist,Socialist that will not sell out American for gain,financial,or otherwise!!
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 7:27 PM
What’s the problem Hot Air?
Not only do I have this frickin government censoring and control every damn thing I say now your pulling this shit!
If your Not going to let me say how I feel about b/s?
Kick My Ass OUT!!
try again later on December 19, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Yeah, it pretty much is.
Midas on December 19, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Are you in either Ed or AP’s FB fan club?
ladyingray on December 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM
no, didn’t even know they had fan clubs.
SHARPTOOTH on December 19, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Most people in the country pay far more to the federal government than they get back, too. I assume you use the same 1040 as someone in Podunk, Kansas. We hear that gripe all the time from those in blue cities/states: “We pay far more than we put in!!! Let those freeloader red states pay their own way!!!” Ignoring, of course, the taxes their blue leadership at the state, city and local level pile on them.
ddrintn on December 19, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Bleeds Blue:
Most Americans do not want this bill, they do not support it and yet they are having it shoved down their throats. I know law abiding tax paying Americans who are saying they are not going to buy insurance, the government can just throw their asses in jail.
The Democrats lied to people, they did not promise anything like this and the truth is since it is a one party item the Democrats will carry the blame for it. After all, who are the Democrats going to blame? Bush?
I work for a home health care agency and if the cuts the Democrats are talking about go through, a lot of agencies like the one I work for will go out of business. And that means more unemployed people. The lasting legacy of Obama’s tenure in office will be poverty, uncertainty, and fear.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 7:36 PM
We won! Kiss your freedoms goodbye cons! Bwhahahahaha!
crr6 on December 19, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Most people in rural areas get a lot less than the urban areas. We are the ones who do not get a lot of the Medicare benefits to begin with. We don’t get as much in welfare or education or anything else. We also do not contribute as much in pollution or crime or dysfunction. When we have floods and other natural disasters we do not sit on our asses waiting for the national guard to come save us.
We pay federal and state taxes, we pay property taxes and gas taxes and higher prices for utilities as well.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Not quite.
ddrintn on December 19, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Kiss yours goodbye too azzhat. you libs kill me, you’re like teenagers thinking you’re somehow immune to the impending disaster or something. Or, maybe your a Senator’s kid . .. then sadly, you are immune.
Firefly_76 on December 19, 2009 at 7:42 PM
You won? That is not what Move On, Kos and NOW say. They say the Democrats sold out to the insurance companies and big pharma in return for campaign cash and influence.
You ever hear of winning the battle and losing the war? Well just be checking out that generic balloting and see who is winning when the Democrats shove this unwanted piece of crap down the throats of the American people.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 7:42 PM
We cannot afford it.
http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWE0MTJmZDRjYTc5ZmZiZjNiODA2YjNmMzU3ODcxMTU=
Socialism kills.
onlineanalyst on December 19, 2009 at 7:44 PM
No kidding, she sounds about 15. Probably unemployed and is assuming this health care is free..
Maybe when grannie loses her home health aide crr6 can pick up the slack and take care of her own. But I doubt it.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 7:45 PM
And Republicans – Medicare D, Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, endless earmarks, on and on and on…
No selective outrage please.
True_King on December 19, 2009 at 7:45 PM
A Pyrrhic victory. Sort of like Obama’s election.
ddrintn on December 19, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Your?
Dumbass.
Saltysam on December 19, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Sayeth the British after their victory at Bunker Hill.
mankai on December 19, 2009 at 7:47 PM
We won! Kiss your freedoms goodbye cons! Bwhahahahaha!
crr6 on December 19, 2009 at 7:38 PM
crr6:Reap what ye has sowed,as Waterloo is upon thee!!
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Bite me, twerp!
SagebrushPuppet on December 19, 2009 at 7:49 PM
2010 is almost here…
“Revenge is a dish best served cold.”
Khun Joe on December 19, 2009 at 7:49 PM
You forgot libs can also be selfish creatures, they are only generous with other peoples’ money. They contribute less to charity because they expect the guvmint to care for the less fortunate. So, hospice for grannie.
This has been a depressing day. Off to drown my sorrows for a while. Round for everyone…cheers.
Firefly_76 on December 19, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Always nice when the National Socialist Democrats let the mask slip.
Juno77 on December 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM
The Democrats’ slogan for the 2010 Elections:
Vote Democratic and kiss your freedoms goodbye!
mankai on December 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Selective outrage my ass. The Republicans did not vote for this and what is more the Patriot Act saved lives, No Child Left Behind actually raised test scores for kids while pissing off teachers unions and Medicare Part D came in 40% under budget and is not a giveaway program, it is a discount program paid into by the people using it. If those things were the only things we had to worry about we might actually stave off bankruptcy.
But hey, follow a third party or Ron Paul and hand the Democrats more power on a silver platter so you can sit back and whine about Republicans.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM
He (she? it? they?) loves the idea of a Marxist regime.
SagebrushPuppet on December 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM
So,is there no Democrat,Liberal,Communist,Socialist that will not sell out American for gain,financial,or otherwise!!
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 7:27 PM
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And Republicans – Medicare D, Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, endless earmarks, on and on and on…
No selective outrage please.
True_King on December 19, 2009 at 7:45 PM
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True_King: Ah,your true colours are finally flying,
a Socialist are thee!!
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM
The Democrats’ slogan for the 2010 Elections:
Vote Democratic and kiss your freedoms goodbye!
mankai on December 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM
mankai:So it is said,let it be written,so it is done!:)
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Yes, please do get all high and mighty at those of us who have had enough of the Republicans. They suck as bad as the Dems!
SagebrushPuppet on December 19, 2009 at 7:53 PM
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/print.asp?id=423054
From Drudge! No-one wins with this cluster fark! The Pinnochio administration and the idiotic Dems are spending this country down the tubes. In ten years or maybe even five the dollar will be worthless. I can’t figure out where to put money.
In commodities but which ones Oil? Farm ground but then the taxes will be raised to the point of naot being able to pay them.
The country will be begging for Sarah to drill baby drill as the dollar will be worth pennies and we will not be able to buy a damn thing!
dhunter on December 19, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Not even hospice care gets a pass in this bill. Cuts to hospice so that the government can afford to subsidize insurance for people they forced to buy insurance. c
My guess is that crwhatever just assumes that people with Ds behind their names will get the free stuff while the rest of us pay.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 7:54 PM
I get that a lot of us are down about the Nelson cave, but what does it hurt to keep trying to pressure these people before the final vote? The time spent on here contemplating the end of the greatness of the US or pointlessly responding to the trolls is better spent calling/emailing the Senators in red/purple states (or doing virtually ANYTHING else for that matter). Cowboy up people.
dfwaggie on December 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM
I am not getting high and mighty, I am pointing out that if the Republicans had more people in the Senate they could kill this thing, whereas some other people just prefer to whine about the outcome without ever coming up with realistic viable alternatives that can actually make a difference.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 7:56 PM
You are right.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Any Senator or congressman who votes for this should be targeted for destruction – politically – no matter when they are up for re-election. We take of what we can in 2010 and then we move on to those who remain. They are not fit to serve!
Sporty1946 on December 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Well, it takes years of taxes before they actually implement this thing, what happens to the money they take in before the damn thing goes into effect? Do they spend it, save it, sock it away, put it in Swiss bank accounts? And can it be repealed, realistically?
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Any Senator or congressman who votes for this should be targeted for destruction – politically – no matter when they are up for re-election. We take of what we can in 2010 and then we move on to those who remain. They are not fit to serve!
Sporty1946 on December 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Sporty1946: Search and Destroy Political Mission,and it kind
of flows real nice off zee tongue too!:)
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Anyone with their head so far up their own crack couldn;t possibly know anything about ideas.
Saltysam on December 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM
My friends actually work pretty hard. I’m a slacker myself but at a sufficiently high level — and my job pays by the billed hour, so I’m not really coasting — that I send Uncle Sam a decent chunk of change every April.
I’ve never seen a county-by-county-type comparison, so I can’t comment on the rural return on taxes, but it wouldn’t surprise me that the real winners are suburban counties and, of course, areas with military installations.
I can’t say that I haven’t been through and heard about a lot of rural communities that have exactly the same problems big cities do, however.
Stereotypes are dangerous things.
Bleeds Blue on December 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Well then, my apologies for jumping to conclusions. However, I am at the point where I don’t trust and can’t stand any of them. Hutchison and Cornyn are my senators and they voted for TARP “because we have to do something.” So I have no use for either of them.
SagebrushPuppet on December 19, 2009 at 8:08 PM
I think in conference they will put back some language on the public option that Libermann opposes. I trust Libermann will be fine with that.
Birdseye on December 19, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Failure in Copenhagen
Gunning Full Throttle into the Greenhouse
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,668111,00.html
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Well,at least the Germans recognize that Obama is a failure,
oops,thats what Rush said too,and now Germany agrees,btw,
the failure sticker on Obama’s forhead is priceless!!!
The World is doomed with Global Warming,but hey,everyone
gets healthcare!!!!(Snark).
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 8:14 PM
You know what? TARP was a drop in the bucket compared to this monstrosity. And the truth is TARP is being paid back at about 5% interest. You can argue about it all you want, act as if it were this great sin, but in the end the money spent on TARP will not ruin this country, however, a big bill like this will have far more effect.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Can’t argue with that. But the problem is that once you put more and more people on the public doll, they become competitors for government money. They begin to resent each other and think someone else is getting more than they are. It destroys the sense of community that was always important in this country.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 8:17 PM
interesting article on Conservative v Liberal Charity Donations
disillusioned on December 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM
How much of the Stimulus Plan was directed towards rural communities?
disillusioned on December 19, 2009 at 8:28 PM
And something else about rural areas, a lot of these folks own some land, but that does not mean they have high incomes. What about them in this bill? Will they be forced to liquidate assets to get subsidies for health care…or will they be told that they will have to pay anywhere from $7000 to $15,000 for care because they don’t qualify for subsidies..or they can refuse to buy insurance and risk jail time. I know people who own property and for whom property taxes are a major expenditure and a lot of those people do not have high incomes.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM
“We won! Kiss your freedoms goodbye cons! Bwhahahahaha!”
We did. But just remember the guy who lived long enough to kill the person who killed him.
We had to be killed.
You…just disposal is sufficient. I would like to see the terror in our eyes when you realize it.
enginemike on December 19, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Interesting take,from the Leftys at FireDogLake on
Ben Nelson!
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http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/19778
Emperor Ben Nelson to Women: All Your Uterus Are Belong to Me
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My first reaction is that this vastly exceeds even the hideous Hyde prohibitions and can’t possibly be Constitutional, except in today’s Court. That means that if Emperor Nelson’s decrees are challenged, that case could become another vehicle for repealing Roe v Wade.
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Now there’s change you can believe in. The Democrats just lost the moral right to ask for the votes of anyone who believes in women’s rights and equal treatment before the law.
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And,finally,the Leftys see the light!
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It’s a suicide pact.
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Bleeds Blue posts as hatful as the best of the trolls when he’s inspired. He has his care troll moments when he thinks there’s a shot of recruiting a few riding fences. (BTW BB, you turn no one’s opinion here) The fact of the matter is, this is a man with a family of his own who would support sending you to jail, away from your family, for not buying health care from the government. How is any fellow American “nice-enough” who would do that to you?
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 8:48 PM
I’m not getting it either, Allah.
I emailed both my Dem senators today about exactly this today. How come us dopes in my bright blue state are paying full freight while other states like Nebraska and Louisiana have negotiated themselves a Medicaid “free ride???”
As long as Reid is handing out bribes…let’s all the rest of the states get in line!
marybel on December 19, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Bleeds Blue posts as hatful as
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 8:48 PM
hawkdriver:Ya,that thingy point,about going to jail for not
having healthcare is most repressive,1984ish,and
how Brazil of him,Obama that is,good point,Hawk!
On a break,in between missions,and how are you
doing!:)
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 8:54 PM
We have a saying in the military. Once you take a fixed position, there’s the small matter of having to defend it. Good luck with that.
Also, I’ve saved that comment of yours in a file to remind me how utterly childish liberals are with their issues. To you, it’s a joke. To me, it paying four times what I would have for insurance through the government than what I worked 33 years to earn as a retirement benefit. I will pay four times as much for less health care covered by your policy. I worked 33 years to earn the former. It was taken away from me by people like you and you have the nerve to laugh about it.
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 8:59 PM
It’s been raining fore two days here and the LZs are blissfully, not dusty brown-out conditions. (Now you just have to be able to get to the LZs through the bad weather)
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 9:01 PM
The left would know. They use them as weapons.
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Nebraska and Louisiana Dem senators…”high maintenance.”
The other 58 Dem senators…”cheap dates.”
marybel on December 19, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Stop using the terms “Blue Dog”, “Conservative” and “Pro-Life” re Dems. There are no such things. They’re just groups which have a higher purchase price.
Hucklebuck on December 19, 2009 at 9:06 PM
“for” two days…
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 9:07 PM
http://www.atr.org/news-comprehensive-list-tax-hikes-inbr-a4345#
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/12/the_high_price_of_ben_nelsons_1.html
elduende on December 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM
We have a saying in the military. Once you take a fixed position, there’s the small matter of having to defend it. Good luck with that.
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 8:59 PM
hawkdriver: A nasty airstrike comes to mind!!
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 8:54 PM
It’s been raining fore two days here and the LZs are blissfully, not dusty brown-out conditions. (Now you just have to be able to get to the LZs through the bad weather)
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 9:01 PM
hawkdriver: Well,at least the enemy can`t see dust clouds,
and give you away,I might be wrong on that,I
dunno!:)
Hawk,have you ever been to this Military Blog,
OPFOR,a great site!!
http://op-for.com/
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Neither Stupak or any of those other frightened little Democrat worms will do anything that might anger Pelosi or Reid. The Politburu is completely controlled by the dictators and their minions will blindly obey.
rplat on December 19, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Stupak can be bought. He’s a DEMOCRAT, people!
fossten on December 19, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Yep, the first one being planned for 2010. Second phase of the operation in 2012. When we reverse this stuff, let’s see if the lefts protests are as peaceful as the tea parties have been. They will riot in the streets.
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Stupak can be bought. He’s a DEMOCRAT, people!
fossten on December 19, 2009 at 9:21 PM
fossten: Liberal America is up for sale!!:)
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 9:22 PM
True!
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Second phase of the operation in 2012
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 9:22 PM
hakdriver: That would be the SarahCudaRevolution,as the
Scout on point,in SarahCudas Army radios in to
Sarah,
‘I can see the White House kitchen window from
our position,awaiting orders’!!!!hehe:)
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 9:27 PM
crapola,forgot the stink`n w in hawk!Ugh.
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Open season on zombies?
fossten on December 19, 2009 at 9:28 PM
The Boss (chalk 2) was catching hell on one landing with the TB shooting randomly into the the dust cloud, till my DG (chalk 1) opened his retirement plan. The damage even a single round makes in sheet metal is amazing.
No, but I’ll check it out.
Yep. And there’s just too much media and movement behind this right now. We need to look to future elections to undo this.
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Depends on the outcome of the next couple elections.
If “America” votes to maintain or increase the Statists in power, then yes, I will remove my 8×5′ U.S. flag from my wall as this nation will be officially dead from its founding principals as never before though one can argue as you have that’s it’s been a work in progress for about 100 years now.
This nation is on the razors edge though. It’s on the brink of collapse.
God help it.
Yakko77 on December 19, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Robert Casey is NOT a conservative anything.
SouthernGent on December 19, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Correct. He’s still riding on the pro-life coat-tails of his dead father.
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 9:50 PM
With Nelson bought and paid for, I fear Obamacare is all but assured now. 2010 and 2012, Repeal platform from the GOP/conservative candidates or don’t bother to vote.
I’ve never advocated leaving the Union but if this passes and 2010 and 2012 don’t bring Constitutional reform in our govt then my faith in this nations govt is totally and completely lost (as if it wasn’t before with the results of the 2008 election) and I’ll want no part in the “United” States no longer. If by 2012 we don’t have a true conservative POTUS and Congress, I’ll burn my flag as it will no longer have any meaning… if it doesn’t already. It will be alive and well in my heart but in Washington D.C. …. it may be dead already.
Yes, I’m the f’n fed up right now.
Yakko77 on December 19, 2009 at 9:57 PM
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/12/025192.php
elduende on December 19, 2009 at 9:59 PM
he needed a Santorum to be elected to office.
disillusioned on December 19, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Santorum was a good Senator. He said what he meant and he meant what he said. He had true convictions and was a real Conservative. We, the Republican Party, demand that from our candidates and then when we get it in a man like Santorum, we let the media make us embarrassed about what “they” assert about them.
hawkdriver on December 19, 2009 at 10:06 PM
2010 could be an interestingyear. $800 BILLION more to Bawney’s Fannie and Freddie, foreclosures will explode in family and commercial real estate, lots of bank failures, stock market crash, and of course this disaster of a bill on top of all of it. Merry Christmas everyone!!
TEXASLEGAL on December 19, 2009 at 10:10 PM
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