Report: Stupak working with GOP to kill ObamaCare after Nelson’s sellout; Update: “Unacceptable”
posted at 2:29 pm on December 19, 2009 by Allahpundit
So strange have the bedfellows become that this story is breaking almost at the same time that this one is. Pro-life and pro-choice, united at last!
Question: Will the nutroots regard Stupak as a traitor for working with the evil GOP or an unwitting hero in trying to block a bill they regard as a sellout to corporate America?
An aide to Rep. Bart Stupak (D. Mich.) coordinated opposition to a Senate compromise on the place of abortion in health care legislation this morning with the Republican Senate leadership, the Conference Catholic Bishops, and other anti-abortion groups, according to a chain of frantic emails obtained this morning by POLITICO.
The emails show that Stupak — who has so far remained silent on language accepted by Senator Ben Nelson (D. Neb.) and faces intense pressure from the White House to accept it — is already working behind the scenes to oppose the compromise…
Stupak is the leader of a group of pro-life Democrats who say they’ll oppose the sweeping legislation if it uses government money to pay for abortion, while McConnell is firmly committed to killing the legislation. The fact that the two have made common cause against the Senates health care compromise will likely further infuriate Stupak’s Democratic colleagues in the House, and demonstrates his willingness to stop any bill that doesn’t pass his test.
I’m assuming the leaker here was someone who’s supporting the bill and eager to shatter Stupak’s pro-life blockade in the House, although I can’t imagine how they would have gotten hold of the e-mails. Or was this actually leaked by Stupak himself as an early warning to Pelosi that he’ll need to be bought off too like his pal Ben Nelson was? (If so, how does “further infuriating” his own side, including possibly members of his own anti-abortion coalition, by secretly coordinating with the GOP strengthen his hand?) Here again is Stephen Spruiell’s calculus of Democratic votes in the House; remember, Pelosi can only afford to lose two net yes votes after passing her own bill, 220-215. The strategy, I assume, will be to appease House progressives by dropping Stupak’s abortion language while using the lack of a public option in the final bill to woo Dems in Stupak’s anti-abortion coalition. Even if she loses 20 votes among House liberals who say they can’t vote for a bill without a public plan, potentially she’ll gain back 20 among weak pro-life Blue Dogs for whom a bill without a public plan is a real treat. Hoyer thinks it’s feasible, but whether he said that because he believes it or simply because he wanted to keep the pressure on while Nelson was deliberating is anyone’s guess.
Exit question: Can anyone explain to me why Bayh and Lincoln and Pryor and the rest of the Blue Dogs in the Senate who represent the 60th vote aren’t now demanding a Medicaid buyout for their state like Nelson got? Big Ben might have sold out America on abortion but at least he has something to show his constituents. The rest of them are voting for an increasingly toxic bill and getting jack in return. Is there some subtle strategic point to this that I’m missing or are they simply the royal schmucks we suspect them of being?
Update: Fixed the blockquote to correct Politico’s earlier typo about Stupak supposedly backing the Senate bill. (He’s opposing it, of course.) Meanwhile, an update:
“I never talked to McConnell about the health care bill,” said Stupak, adding that that “I did not authorize the email [which] “was sent without my knowledge.”
Stupak said that he has discussed the Senate’s abortion position with conservative Democratic senators Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Robert Casey (Penn.). His opposition to the senate’s language, in spite of those conversations and intense pressure from the White House, could augur a challenge to the compromise in the House when the two versions of the bill are reconciled.
The Senate language represented “a dramatic shift in federal policy,” said Stupak, adding that he remained hopeful that the differences could be resolved in conference. Nelson, though, said earlier Saturday that his support for the legislation was contingent on the abortion compromise remaining in it.










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Does anybody think that Pro-Life will stop ObamaCare?
Ridiculous!
The Women’s Vote goes to the Democrats because Democrats promote abortion. The more abortions paid for, the bigger the Women’s Vote for the Democrats.
It is due to his support for abortion that Obama won the Women’s Vote; otherwise he would not even have been elected. Were it not for their support for abortion, the Democrats would fail to control either the House or the Senate.
Women were given the power over life and death, and they love it. They know where it came from….Democrats.
jay12 on December 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM
And…again… I don’t understand this quote… Are we talking about supporting the health care bill or some amendment I’m not aware of?!
Skywise on December 19, 2009 at 2:34 PM
The Blue Dog is a myth similar to the loch ness monster.
El_Terrible on December 19, 2009 at 2:34 PM
The single last unknown, assuming the Senate Dem caucus holds together, is whether Pelosi can keep the House Dems together.
Pelosi talks a very big game, but she barely got HCR through last month. Stupak could trigger an intra-caucus fight that could leave both conservative and ultra-liberal dems dissatisfied and ready to vote against.
With NOW having ripped the Senate compromise language in the press today, there is still some volatility in the House.
Robert_Paulson on December 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Who says they haven’t already gotten their kickbacks? They are floating the idea of a new stimulus…they could have already named their price.
Diane on December 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM
At this point I will take any help that is offered to stop this corrupt Congress and this illegal bill. I don`t actually think Stupak will stop it, he is fine with everything else but the abortion language, he will be bribed , cajoled, or who knows what to get him onboard. He will cavem they all have so far. Sad that I have to pay for the bribes that ensure my own destruction down the road.
bluemarlin on December 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM
BTW, here’s the “compromise” Nelson agreed to, being praised by Boxer and Murray:
Source
RushBaby on December 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM
NAIL. HEAD.
I’m calling Webb on Monday and telling him he better get the same deal as Nelson. Let’s Cloward-Piven this thing.
Firefly_76 on December 19, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Even Helen Keller can read this writing on the wall. Of course he want’s to be paid off.
I’m tired of getting my hopes built up on this whole healthcare fiasco. I can’t take it anymore.
Happy Festivus for the Rest of Us.
Knucklehead on December 19, 2009 at 2:38 PM
I think there will be some last minute surprises in both chambers. Reid and Pelosi are both big bluffers.
RushBaby on December 19, 2009 at 2:38 PM
So how much does Rep. Bart Stupak want?????
enginemike on December 19, 2009 at 2:39 PM
More false hope…
artist on December 19, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Bought and sold on the Prophet’s profit.
Gob on December 19, 2009 at 2:40 PM
How come my ‘rat senators from Minnesota aren’t cutting deals and bringing home the pirate booty?
Buddahpundit on December 19, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Bayh is my Senator and called and asked his office what the going price for a Democrat Senator from Indiana was these days. No answer. I can not imagine that Bayh the Governor would have supported the bill supported by Bayh the Senator.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Exit question: Can anyone explain to me why Bayh and Lincoln and Pryor and the rest of the Blue Dogs in the Senate who represent the 60th vote aren’t now demanding a Medicaid buyout for their state like Nelson got?
….
Can we stop using the BD media construct?
artist on December 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM
I’m gonna take “royal schmuck” for 1000 Allah.
russcote on December 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM
I’ve been thinking the very same thing. I wouldn’t want to be the one that didn’t get paid for the dirty.
But I’m not convinced that Stupak is after the dough. We shall see.
I also agree with RB @ 2:38. One thing that has been replete through this whole cycle has been the repeated (false) assertion that they had the votes.
Spirit of 1776 on December 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM
royal schmucks indeed
cmsinaz on December 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I am a woman, and Obama did not get my vote.
Terrye on December 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Not all women feel this way so maybe you should stop with the generalizations okay?
As for loving the fact of having “power” over life and death. Most women I know believe that’s God’s decision not theirs.
gophergirl on December 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM
The rest of them are voting for an increasingly toxic bill and getting jack in return. Is there some subtle strategic point to this that I’m missing or are they simply the royal schmucks we suspect them of being?
AP,You may want to read Instapunk’s post on pollyanish conservatives that was linked to by…er.. HA.
nagee76 on December 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Who really believes the vote was that close? Nothing these treacherous traitors do is transparent. Nothing.
LibTired on December 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Amen gg
cmsinaz on December 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM
as matter of fact, why wouldn’t every democrat demand a buy out?
rob verdi on December 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM
definitely sets a bad precedent
CWforFreedom on December 19, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Just schmucks, Allah…just like those that voted for them. But won’t Reid need only 51 votes for final passage? I’m sure a few of them are planning to vote no, after seeing it’ll go through anyway regardless of their vote.
changer1701 on December 19, 2009 at 2:48 PM
you’re not kidding…
cmsinaz on December 19, 2009 at 2:49 PM
and they can go back home and say “See, I didn’t vote for this”
cmsinaz on December 19, 2009 at 2:49 PM
This is just posturing. Stupak doesn’t have the votes to torpedo this bill in the house. Once the Senate reaches cloture it’s all over. This is an empty gesture. It’s Stupak trying to convince his constituents that he’s more serious about fighting this bill than he really is. He’s only pretending to try to stop it now that it’s a foregone conclusion.
Caiwyn on December 19, 2009 at 2:50 PM
I’m not buying it. This is going to pass. The sell-outs and liars and frauds will step up in the end, as true and faithful dramatis personae to play their part in this tragic/pathetic story of our time (one of many, and just part of the bigger picture).
rrpjr on December 19, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Isn’t that already been set? With the stimulus bill.
Spirit of 1776 on December 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM
They’re all royal schmucks. Corrupt, too.
johnmackeygreene on December 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM
I got to get off this board for awhile and enjoy some of the Christmas traditions my family can still afford this year.
Have a good day and I just pray and hope that the Good Lord guides our 40 Senators to find a way to stop this thing.
That truly would be the most Merry Christmas present of all.
gophergirl on December 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM
I say schmucks.
Jim Treacher on December 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Neither would have Nelson the Governor. The Beltway works it’s magic the same old way.
a capella on December 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM
If any state needs random pork, it’s Michigan, and if any district in Michigan needs random pork, it’s the 1st.
But I don’t think that’s what he’s going for. Maybe the polls are saying something I don’t know, but rumor in town is he wants to run for the Senate seat soon. Good way to get his name out if he stands up for his ideals and all that.
Keljeck on December 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM
This is another one of those Ed Morrissey “the bill will never pass” fantasies, even if AP posted it.
It assumes that there are Democrats in congress who are ethical, and play by the rules.
This is no longer a game. It is a death struggle between totalitarian America-haters and the Constitution, and is not being played by the polite rules the pundits seem to rely on.
As of now, the America-haters are going to win.
MrScribbler on December 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM
While abortion is a strong reason to oppose this crap, I can’t believe that most of these senators, and reps would risk the economy, and health of the American citizens. Power really does corrupt absolutley, it seems.
capejasmine on December 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Lets take this a step further on the buy out. I guess states with Republican Senators get no help leading to the situation that opposition leads to your state suffering more.
rob verdi on December 19, 2009 at 2:55 PM
They are shmucks, Allah. Landrieu and Lincoln are not known for being the sharpest tools in the drawer. Nor is Robert Casey of PA, who basically got elected for having the same name as his father.
WarEagle01 on December 19, 2009 at 2:55 PM
The only thing we can do it seems is to go Gandhi on them. In other words widespread, well orchestrated civil disobedience.
There are way more of us than there are of them.
I say give them a little taste of anarchy in the spirit of 1776 to send a nice little message; they work for us and not the reverse.
Geochelone on December 19, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Yep. But they vote for cloture, they’re voting for this bill. I haven’t seen many of them raise much of a public fuss over it, either. Bottom line is they’re part of the Party shoving this down our throats, and unless they stood up to their leadership and demanded changes on behalf of their constituents-who don’t want this garbage-then they are just as responsible as those that vote for it.
I don’t usually like the ‘grab your pitchforks’ rhetoric and all that, but this process has been so f’ed up, and the consequences so clear, that I’m just fed up.
changer1701 on December 19, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Grab your pitchfork or grab your ankles.
Geochelone on December 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM
So, if you are unscrupulous, you can push _anything_ through the Congress simply by throwing enough monopoly money at people until you buy their votes. It’s crazy. We’re very close to a need to start over.
Theophile on December 19, 2009 at 3:00 PM
It ain’t over until the fat lady votes.
Schadenfreude on December 19, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Random thoughts:
- I wonder if Jim Webb is thinking about what he can/should get for Viginia in exchange for his vote?
- If Stupak language is out of the final bill, they almost certainly lose Cao, the only Republican to vote for this disaster in either chamber (assuming Snowe and Collins don’t roll over after the cloture vote). They also lose Stupak. So there’s your two votes.
- I’m pissed off at Nelson for selling out his “pro life” principles for a bowl of pottage, but I’m also upset with him for selling out 49 other states, including mine, in his medicare “deal.” I asked my wife just a little bit ago what Sherrod Brown is bringing back to Ohio in exchange for his vote. Answer: Nothing.
- They’ll likely pass something now, but this isn’t going to end well for the Democrats.
jdp629 on December 19, 2009 at 3:01 PM
I hold no hope in this. We are screwed six ways to Sunday. It’s all over but the shouting now.
t.ferg on December 19, 2009 at 3:01 PM
That’s Senator Royal Schmucks, Allah…
They worked hard for their titles.
Seven Percent Solution on December 19, 2009 at 3:03 PM
I just faxed Webb (and Warner) telling them that they better get the 470 million in annual unfunded liabilities this legislation threatens to cost Virginians. Suggest everyone do the same with their Senators. Its impossible for them to bribe 50 states.
Firefly_76 on December 19, 2009 at 3:04 PM
C’mon, Stupak saw how much Nelson got for “selling his services” and now wants to get paid off too.
PackerBronco on December 19, 2009 at 3:07 PM
I think Bayh and Lincoln are up for re-election in 2010 and need the President’s backing to fend off a primary challenge from the left. Obama had the upper hand with them and they are weak, desperate candidates who no longer stand on principle.
Pryor isn’t up for re-election until 2014 and is showing his true colors as a party hack. He wants power within the party and will do what his master bids.
Landrieu got paid off because she is vulnerable no matter what she does and Nelson just plain got bought off. He likes to think himself as pro-life but in the end he sold out his values and figures people will forget by 2012 when he is up for re-election.
Daemonocracy on December 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM
It was never about healthcare or caring about people, it was all about power to the Fascists in the National Socialist Democrat Party
Fake8 on December 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM
I think Stupak will vote against it, but how many others in his “coalition” will? Don’t forget, Joseph “Cash” Cao will vote for it I’m sure, so we need 42 demcorats in the House. We’re doomed!
SouthernGent on December 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Stupak takes the lead back from Nelson in the race to see which Democrat will get my campaign donation for the next cycle. Let’s see if he lasts longer in the lead than Lincoln, Lieberman, and Nelson did.
Red Cloud on December 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up prostitution…
Seven Percent Solution on December 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM
There is a huge problem with the system. You will be punished for taking principled stands. I don’t think Republicans can be relevant if they work within this framework. The host must either devour the parasite or separate itself from the parasite because a democratic system of parasite v host is a losing battle for the host.
Buddahpundit on December 19, 2009 at 3:11 PM
The Democrat that STOPS the Obamacare bill will be MORE POWERFUL than the Democrat that Jumps on Board the Reid/Pelosi bandwagon.
A Powerful Democrat that is still Standing in 2011, is certainly more Powerful than the Democrats that lose the 2010 elections.
DUHhhhh……Are all Democrats stuoopid ? They’re Liars for sure, but I only thought the Harvard Grads were the Dumasses.
JayTee on December 19, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Interesting. Liberal Congressman Bruce Braley says Senate health bill unlikely to pass House
Robert_Paulson on December 19, 2009 at 3:12 PM
He was talking about the women’s vote, and Obama got the majority. Even if you are pro-choice, acknowledge that pregnancy is “God’s choice” and terminating a life is the woman’s choice. Call it what it is.
alliebobbitt on December 19, 2009 at 3:15 PM
The Chicoms have now said, no more money from them:
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/print.asp?id=423054
Whatever bill passes, we, our children, our children’s children, nay until the seventh generation, is on the hook to pay for it.
America, the land of debt peonage.
Rebar on December 19, 2009 at 3:15 PM
GOP Platform 2010
There are two issues in this campaign. Elect a majority GOP congress and we will
1. repeal this worthless piece of shit legislation before it ruins the best medical system in the world, and
2. overturn every other multi-hundred-billion dollar piece of shit spending program the liberals passed last year and cut spending until the budget is balanced.
Jaibones on December 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM
LOL! That would make a great bumper sticker.
yogi41 on December 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Another suggestion, but too far fetched to be considered I guess: why not get together and write a bill that works, so that much of this finagling and public uproar could be avoided. Now there’s really stupid idea! Whatever could I be thinking!
jeanie on December 19, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Stupak is leading the GOP around by the nose like Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Jim Webb, and the others have done. He will cave in the end and our country will be screwed.
While we have purity tests being discussed.
Jdripper on December 19, 2009 at 3:19 PM
I am sick to death of Democrats. It’s time to actually revolt. Blue Dogs are Democrats. What’s the problem? They aren’t going to kill this thing unless they can’t get something for their vote. I’ll never forgive them for what they have done to this country.
BetseyRoss on December 19, 2009 at 3:20 PM
God is apolitical but He’s pro life. All pregnancies are God’s choice. Nelson is a sellout of Brutus level proportion.
Mojave Mark on December 19, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Well, to me, that’s when you KNOW a bill is in trouble with the public.
When is boils down to the abortion differences, it’s over.
AnninCA on December 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM
It is difficult for us to “figure out” the calculus and strategic thinking behind these various moves due to the fact that we are not slime rats infected with sundry social diseases and manically pumped up with Marxist rantings. Normal Americans, raising children, protecting their spouses, and working two shifts at the plant, can only think in a straight forward, honest, meaningful way. For example, regarding health care, the average American simply looks at their budget, their pattern and history of doctor visits, medicine costs etc., and lays that next to the increase in their taxes, the impact on their medical options etc. It’s very straight forward and fact-driven. The average American family cannot fathom how slime rats think or what dreams of power slime rats have. They are too busy paying bills, going to church, saving for their childrens’ education, and contributing to charities that serve their communities and that serve our men and women overseas. Who will win in the end? Slime rats or the American family? I’ll put my money on the American family.
Cinday Blackburn on December 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM
This is from Stupecks website. Having that philosophy should tell us where his loyalties lie.
fourdeucer on December 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Oh please, such drama. We’ve been entangled in huge issues from Day 1.
Slavery was a huge divisive issue, obviously.
This is peanuts. Either you agree with democracy or you don’t.
We just slug it out.
AnninCA on December 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM
I think this statement refers to endless tests and excessive benefits.
Which is what most people are going through.
AnninCA on December 19, 2009 at 3:27 PM
You mean, bickering over how well the money that kills the baby is hidden?
I agree, at that point the bill is a done deal. “Principles” are about as meaningful as a marxist-lite liberal waving an American flag.
Itchee Dryback on December 19, 2009 at 3:31 PM
I really don’t know which is worse….trying to remain optimistic, only to be let down in the future – or giving up now, and wait for our inevitable destruction.
*sigh*
flyawaybird on December 19, 2009 at 3:31 PM
I thought she bowed out of NY-23. And we all know how she would have voted.
LibTired on December 19, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Oh, thanks for your interpretation. I thought the statement speaks for itself.
fourdeucer on December 19, 2009 at 3:31 PM
I was so tempted to respond with something like…
” I think (insert name of any female D Senator)has already said she’ll vote for this bill”
Red State State of Mind on December 19, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Every step of the way, this thing has been “unlikely” to do everything it has already done.
LibTired on December 19, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Because Blue Dog equals Lap Dog when push comes to shove.
steveegg on December 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM
I am very suspicious of the talk coming from the Left and the media that the Left is unhappy with parts of the bill and revolting against it. “…thou protesteth too much..” ?
Red State State of Mind on December 19, 2009 at 3:36 PM
If Bayh votes for this abomination, his seat must be vulnerable no? I know GOP is not running a credible challenger against him. why not the Tea Party? Let this be the first task the Tea Party must do. Find soild candidates where GOP has given up and get Sarah to campaign. Hammer Bayh for his sellout vote. No Dem will be safe this cycle but the stupid GOP has yet to see it.
Someone has said that GOP is yet to bother field challengers in other blue states (like Maryland?) Well, there’s the work for you, TP. Run them as independents who can caucus with the GOP later on. But find and run good candidates in races GOP is not bothering with.
promachus on December 19, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Yes my friends, we have the best Congress an Semate that
MONEY CAN BUY
driver on December 19, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Future GOP candidates will be vowing NOT to cut your federal insurance funding.
Bank it.
artist on December 19, 2009 at 3:43 PM
But this time we’re talking about slavery for the entire country.
You can enslave people by either taking most of their earnings or by handing out largess with strings attached.
You can control people by telling them how they are to live or by how money will be taken by the government.
Imposing a bureaucratic nightmare like Obamacare on people when they don’t want it doesn’t sound like democracy, does it?
Juno77 on December 19, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Allahpundit
I disagree that getting a bribe on on high profile bill like this is an obvious plus vs just supporting it or not supporting it.
Waving a bribe to the voters makes you more popular?
These aren’t earmarks on a spending bill where you don’t answer for it because voters in general don’t know and the recipients do.
These are bribes on landmark legilation and the voter attitude WILL NOT be the same. I don’t say that to just sound right it is a logical conclusion.
Look how upset we all are at these? The average voter in NE for example is not going to be impressed trading the abortion issue for some federal dollars. Sorry not on that issue or Health Care can you do that and get a net vote gain.
Conan on December 19, 2009 at 3:45 PM
+100. One sixth of the economy is not peanuts and it has nothing to do with slavery. This bill has nothing to do with democracy or the constitution either. Look at this process, they don’t even read these bills. Votes are PAID for with BRIBE money wide out in the open for all to see.
Don’t listen to the lying concern troll who merely seeks to impose her subjective interpretation on otherwise perfectly clear statements; while pretending to be an independent and so open minded. She fools no one.
Geochelone on December 19, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Harkin is my senator and I intend to make his life miserable…I can’t stand him…
lovingmyUSA on December 19, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I should point out, I’m not trying to raise hopes. I just think there are some unknowns about how exactly the endgame plays out. Does Col. Mustard bite dust from the revolver or the candlestick? Also, Pelosi and Reid have an interest in pretending there’s unity in their caucus even when there might not actually be.
Robert_Paulson on December 19, 2009 at 3:46 PM
My favorite time of the week is here. Time for the Rosary, Mass, and prayers for all Hot Air readers, writers and especially for the defeat of this bill.
fourdeucer on December 19, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Hey Reid! Hey Pelosi! Hey Sen Nelson! Hey leftist Americans!
China is cutting us off. Stop this Bill right now.
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/print.asp?id=423054
Not enough money to buy more US Treasuries.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 19, 2009 at 3:52 PM
To me, Democrats, liberals and leftists are despicable.
I loathe them.
I’m tired of them stealing from me.
I’m tired of the constant battle against their ever-encroaching socialist Utopia, which I view as Hell on earth.
I’m tired of their irrationality, conniving, deception and depravity.
Liberalism and conservatism are fundamentally incompatible and have irreconcilable differences.
It’s time for an amicable divorce.
justltl on December 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Powerline notes that Webb has yet to announce a public position on the bill. He’s a loose cannon and the VA elections last month might have given him a little food for thought. Not to mention how much NE and LA got for votes. As Powerline notes, “we’re hanging by a thread.”
Wethal on December 19, 2009 at 3:56 PM
No, it wasn’t really that close. However, it may be closer this time around. Some of the lib House Dems are none too happy with the lack of a public option in the Senate bill. Ditto the Blue Dogs with the weaker abortion language.
Missy on December 19, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Politicians are despicable.
csdeven on December 19, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Is there really such a thing as a moderate Blue Dog democrat.
No there is not. They are all evil socialists.
Dhuka on December 19, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Yeah Powerhouse! Yeah Webb!
My cat and myself were just sitting here wondering how much a Webb would cost.
Guess we will find out soon.
enginemike on December 19, 2009 at 4:08 PM
What took them so long, I wonder?
The time has long since past for any nation seriously interested in its well being…to NOT finance the USA.
This debt reckoning must come, and it shall. No more swipes of the credit card.
Hawkins1701 on December 19, 2009 at 4:08 PM
I vote for the royal schmucks title myself.
karenhasfreedom on December 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Our freedoms are being bought and sold with our own money.
It would be ironically funny if it wasn’t so tragic.
Red Cloud on December 19, 2009 at 4:12 PM
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