Quotes of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on December 19, 2009 by Allahpundit
“‘Death panels.’
“The claim set political debate afire when it was made in August, raising issues from the role of government in health care to the bounds of acceptable political discussion. In a nod to the way technology has transformed politics, the statement wasn’t made in an interview or a television ad. Sarah Palin posted it on her Facebook page…
“The editors of PolitiFact.com, the fact-checking Web site of the St. Petersburg Times, have chosen it as our inaugural ‘Lie of the Year.’”
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“The Democrats are irresponsibly and disingenuously claiming that the bill would cost $871 billion over 10 years. But that’s not what the CBO says. Rather, the CBO says that $871 billion would be the costs from 2010 to 2019 for expansions in insurance coverage alone. But less than 2 percent of those ’10-year costs’ would kick in before the fifth year of that span. In its real first 10 years (2014 to 2023), the CBO says that the bill would cost $1.8 trillion — for insurance coverage expansions alone. Other parts of the bill would cost approximately $700 billion more, bringing the bill’s full 10-year tab to approximately $2.5 trillion — according to the CBO…
“And what would Americans get in return for this staggering sum? Well, the CBO says that health care premiums would rise, and the Chief Actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services says that the percentage of the Gross Domestic Product spent on health care would rise from 17 percent today to 21 percent by the end of 2019. Nationwide health care costs would be $234 billion higher than under current law. How’s that for ‘reform’?”
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But if the government takes 2.5 trillion out of the private sector that’ll cover it right?
Speakup on December 19, 2009 at 11:21 PM
More than a rumor now.
tru2tx on December 19, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Ha – the Texas Medical Association is sending out e-mail this evening to all it’s members on how to op out of Medicare. Co-inky-dinky?
Marcus on December 19, 2009 at 11:27 PM
What they would do is set up panels that would determine what treatments and medications a patient would receive and under what protocols – not whether individual patients would live or die. That it will result in the deaths of those most expendable in lefty eyes, i.e., the elderly and disabled — oh, well. Therefore, Palin’s statement is a lie. Wink. Wink.
Politifact should be called PolitiLie.
Blake on December 19, 2009 at 11:27 PM
OH, I FINALLY get it… One is sexy insulation, and one is insulation from sex. Well, duh on me!
Yoop on December 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM
What they would do is set up panels that would determine what treatments and medications
apatients would receive and under what protocols…Blake on December 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM
The St. Petersburg Times, whose editorial board sends their kids to private & Magnet schools but fiercely opposes the expansion of Fundamental and Magnet schools in the Pinellas school distict. The Editorial Board of the St. Pete Times – the epitome of Liberal Elitism. For them it was just a matter of picking anything Palin said.
batterup on December 19, 2009 at 11:29 PM
FIFY
Fallen Sparrow on December 19, 2009 at 11:33 PM
OT: Saints are no longer undefeated…
Cowboys 24
Saints 17
Still not going to save your job Wade.
Baxter Greene on December 19, 2009 at 11:33 PM
curses! You beat me to it.
Fallen Sparrow on December 19, 2009 at 11:34 PM
sweet! time to spread the word.
elduende on December 19, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Sorry to be O/T folks but, HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!!
Who Dat? Now you know!
conservnut on December 19, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Is this a Russian news paper or an American news paper? I can’t tell the difference between Pravda and the MSM anymore.
bitsy on December 19, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Heh. Obama won’t get the hint though. He will think everyone is just staying home to get ready for his big speech.
bitsy on December 19, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Wolverines!
lovingmyUSA on December 19, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Screw them Cowpies!
On the plus side, my Jags figured out how to throw another game away on Thursday.
Lanceman on December 19, 2009 at 11:40 PM
thats ok we want him to bask in his arrogance. He’ll never see the collapse until he’s in exile with Zelaya.
http://strike120.ning.com/
elduende on December 19, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Obama said it all in the first sentence, ” health care we deserve”. He hates America and the people in it and thinks we deserve this piece of crap called health care.
Hobbes on December 19, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Evil and stupid. I avoid him at all costs, too.
citrus on December 19, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Oh, American. A Russian newspaper would be more objective.
ddrintn on December 19, 2009 at 11:53 PM
*Bunny rabbits!
*sorry – I don’t get it. Wolverines?
tru2tx on December 19, 2009 at 11:54 PM
“we”…. who is this “we” he speaks of? The unwashed masses will get the crap sandwhich plan while “they” get the best care possible.
katy on December 19, 2009 at 11:57 PM
It’s true – that creep Conor Friedersdorf is guest blogging for Andi S. I am so sick of people calling themselves conservative when they promote donk policies and now are blogging for flaming donks like AS. Enough, already!
Blake on December 19, 2009 at 11:57 PM
That was Like listening to a bottle of poison with vocal
cords.
Now it’s barf time.
Texyank on December 19, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Don’t be a hater man. Now, I am looking for Del or caneloader tonight so I can rub it in a bit.
conservnut on December 19, 2009 at 11:57 PM
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 11:19 PM
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OH, I FINALLY get it… One is sexy insulation, and one is insulation from sex. Well, duh on me!
Yoop on December 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM
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Yoop:Sorry about that,this kind of flew a bit under the
radar,but with Obama,its a gaffe per minute and hard
to keep up!!!!:)
Comes in around the 1:23 mark!:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oCsYeWUh1I
And,from an article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091215/pl_afp/useconomyenvironmentobama_20091215173041
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 11:58 PM
ddrintn on December 19, 2009 at 11:53 PM
D’Oh, you’re right. I guess I am still not adapted to our
brave new worldhope and change.bitsy on December 19, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Guess I’m going to jail, no really. I’d would rather get leeched and bled by Steve Martin than comply with this sh**!!!
abobo on December 19, 2009 at 11:59 PM
It’s ironic but the people who will likely be most hurt by this bill are seniors who are the AGING HIPPIES!
And the youths who supported Obama-nation will be mandated to buy in.
Ho ho ho indeed.
Dhuka on December 20, 2009 at 12:02 AM
It’s about time, FFS.
Red Dawn.
justltl on December 20, 2009 at 12:05 AM
See you in camp! They can’t take us all, can they?
Fallen Sparrow on December 20, 2009 at 12:06 AM
The obvious question that Angie intentionally missed was: Why was the “death panel” provision removed after Sarah brought it to light?
More and more, I’m convinced that liberals are the result of parents that didn’t spend enough *quality* time with their kids growing up.
BruthaMan on December 20, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Wolverines!
lovingmyUSA on December 19, 2009 at 11:39 PM
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*Bunny rabbits!
*sorry – I don’t get it. Wolverines?
tru2tx on December 19, 2009 at 11:54 PM
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tru2tx: I`ll take stab at it,Red Dawn,the movie,with
Patrick Swayze.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/
Wolverines
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoM6IFiyRjE
canopfor on December 20, 2009 at 12:08 AM
By all means…
Let the “Law of Unintended Consequences” commence.
Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Dear God I hope not, never even considered that they might try!
abobo on December 20, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Doesn’t this bill allot several billion dollars to train affirmative action physicians who can then replace all the doctors who are to quit in disgust?
See it’s all taken care of; no problems here.
However they don’t seem to realize that the kind of person who used to train to be doctors are not the kind of people who like to work for the DMV.
Dhuka on December 20, 2009 at 12:12 AM
First time I agreed with Obama was, when he said that we deserved this piece of crap. We really do. After all we voted this Rev. Wright’s parissioner into the office, as well as other clowns.
finallyhere on December 20, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Signed!
Let’s Roll
Knucklehead on December 20, 2009 at 12:14 AM
Compassionate fascism must die.
Dhuka on December 20, 2009 at 12:17 AM
man it is mothafckin SNOWIN up in this joint!
blatantblue on December 20, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Because Palin pointing out that the government will now be making your health care decisions is much more important than this lie:
Nancy Pelosi in November 2006:
Here is the reality”
Nancy Pelosi in action, July 2009:
House Democrats muzzle GOP on sensitive issues
By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer Andrew Taylor, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 16, 7:11 pm ET
Democrats lock Republicans out of committee room
By Susan Crabtree – 10/20/09 05:47 PM ET
The Hill
Here’s more lies for the St. Pete Times to ignore
7 lies in 2 minutes
This guy makes Pinocchio look like a novice. One has to really apply oneself to lob seven (7) fabrications into 120 seconds and about 20 seconds is taken up with applause. Can you hear me now ??????
http://www.theospark.net/2009/09/video-7-lies-in-under-2-minutes.html
Keep moving….keep moving….nothing to see here!!!
OBAMA: ‘Let’s look at the record. I’ve been in office six months. So far my only tax policy has been to cut taxes for 95 percent of working people. I haven’t signed a bill that’s raised taxes yet.
But only a few months before…Obama had raised taxes:
Looking back to February: “President Barack Obama signed legislation Wednesday to more than double the federal cigarette [tax] to pay for an expansion of health insurance for poor children.”
Outright lie.
But the general public and tobacco business owners are the little people, they just don’t rate in the St. Pete Times.
Here’s one of the biggest lies Obama told so far:
Obama, in the third debate, within the first minute: “what I’ve done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut…. What I want to emphasize … is that I have been a strong proponent of pay-as-you-go. Every dollar that I’ve proposed, I’ve proposed an additional cut so that it matches.”
My God this lie is only worth what….Trillions.
But Sarah Palin gets the “big lie” prize from the Pulitzer Prize winning St. Pete Times.
This lie should have turned the netroots on Obama’s a$$ but apparently bowing down to K street is okay if you are a democrat ….
….Apparently the St. Pete Times thinks so to:
Obama promised America he would loosen the grip of lobbyists on Washington.
In his Nov. 10, 2007, speech in Des Moines, Iowa, Obama declared:
I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more than any other candidate in this race to take on lobbyists — and won. They have not funded my campaign, they will not run my White House, and they will not drown out the voices of the American people when I am president.
The reality:
However, USA Today reported Obama’s campaign fundraising team included 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million in 2007 to lobby the federal government.
, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million” for Obama’s campaign, the report states. “Employees of their firms have given Obama’s campaign $2.26 million.”
and it gets worse…..
To date…Obama has used his executive status to waive his own rules,break his own promise (pretty much telling a lie),and hired over 17 lobbyist into his administration.
On…and …on….and…on the lies Obama has told the American people involve hundreds of millions of tax dollars and go right to the heart of the bogus “Hope and Change” drivel his campaign pushed for almost 2 years.
But the St. Pete Times thinks a private citizens objections to having the government make our medical decisions makes “the lie of the year”.
What a joke!!!
Well this lie is going to make plenty of headlines for the next year so the St. Pete Times needs to get prepared to spin,defend,or ignore more of their liberal messiah’s corrupt policies and lies to the American people:
Dear Leader had a Town Hall Meeting today at Broughton High School in Raleigh, North Carolina.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, we did give them a deadline and sort of we missed that deadline, but that’s okay.
We know how much of a lie this is already!!!!
Baxter Greene on December 20, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Me, too!!!! I do, and have done, with the best of my ability, avoided every single “public” appearance and/or oral utterance from this mad man. Small, teeny-tiny sort of meager satisfaction. Think Dracula looking at the Cross or sunlight. That bad.
betsyz on December 20, 2009 at 12:30 AM
Finally…black voters waking up fromt he hopenchange hangover? Maybe?
Link (caution Daily Beast link)
SouthernGent on December 20, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Totally OT. It’s just something to ease the soul in the midst of thinking about the POSOTUS and his band of traitors.
justltl on December 20, 2009 at 12:39 AM
I hope that the GOP has that little speech recorded so that they can play it back point by point in three years when this little turd is running for reelection. Lie after lie after lie.
Mallard T. Drake on December 20, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Thank you! Now I’ll be able to sleep tonight without dreaming about extra large ferret-like critters…. ;)
tru2tx on December 20, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Deficit reduction? How about you not spending us into oblivion? That is real deficit reduction you fools! And what pray tell, have you done with the $700 billion left from the first “stimulus”. Me thinks it has become the Marxist “slush fund”. Payoffs and bribes to the gangsters.
We demand an accounting of that $700 billion!
hopefloats on December 20, 2009 at 12:44 AM
LMAO. Maybe the Obamacare vote will get snowed out… and Obama will be stuck on the runway… due to snow… on his way home from a global warming conference.
BWAAA HAA HA HA HA haah ha.
I think God really does answer prayers… even snarky ones!
especially snarky ones!
bitsy on December 20, 2009 at 12:49 AM
Thank you! Now I’ll be able to sleep tonight without dreaming about extra large ferret-like critters…. ;)
tru2tx on December 20, 2009 at 12:42 AM
tru2tx: Just be thankful,that,there not,ahem,Canadian
Beavers!!hehe:)
canopfor on December 20, 2009 at 12:52 AM
Here’s hoping Joementum gets snowed in up in CT until springtime.
Fallen Sparrow on December 20, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Clickity click. Even Wolverines need to sleep.
G’night.
justltl on December 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM
You want to see death panels in action, read the following story.
death panels in action
I saw exactly this denial of H1N1 shots this week. People 65 and older were being turned away even though shots were available.
Jasper61 on December 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM
Its such short notice. spread the word.
I think it would be great to get the GOP to get up and walk out of the SOTU in protest too.
elduende on December 20, 2009 at 1:08 AM
“There’s still a lot of work to be done, with not a lot of time left to do it.”
–President Barack Obama
Um. Time is eternal. Why is there “not a lot of time left to do it”?
Oh, right. Because the healthcare “reform” (that you once said needed to be passed by the end of July or the oceans will swallow us whole, or something) is so dangerously costly to the country that we need to get this done before anyone realizes what the consequences of doing so will be.
Pound sand.
Tuning Spork on December 20, 2009 at 2:18 AM
Shouldn’t the coveted, inaugural LOY Award go to a lie that had some impact, that was told by some important political figure?
A totally irrelevant private citizen’s Facebook post? Which was overwhelmingly denounced by the media? Really? If I didn’t know better, I’d think this was their way of saying they fear Sarah Palin.
Mr. Wednesday Night on December 20, 2009 at 2:30 AM
I think it would be very irresponsible of me, or anyone else, to suggest PolitiFact.com should receive thousands of messages saying, “You lie.” Therefore, I will not do it. (Wait. Was that contradiction on my part — suggestion cloaked in denial — a lie? Silly me….)
apostic on December 20, 2009 at 3:27 AM
Of course there will be no “death panels.”
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In true totalitarian spirit, they will probably be called “life enhancement panels.”
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Nobody is going to “pull the plug” on Grandma – they will merely rule against plugging the old gal in, in the first place. Send her home with some pain pills, as Obama himself suggested.
Adjoran on December 20, 2009 at 5:36 AM
The biggest lie?
How bout Obama’s “I inherited whatever” considering he was a Senator before the election he “help create” whatever he inherited!
DSchoen on December 20, 2009 at 6:08 AM
Or they could all just stand up and shout, “You lie!”
IrishEi on December 20, 2009 at 6:22 AM
While that’s a nice juxtaposition, AP, it’s easily explainable. We expect the federal gummint to lie to us.
misterpeasea on December 20, 2009 at 6:30 AM
So, some Journalism School graduate types label editorials FACT CHECK, and that makes it automatically so? Seriously, have these tards ever “fact checked” anything other than Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin?
MNHawk on December 20, 2009 at 7:14 AM
SPTimes was a commie pinko rag before being a commie pinko rag was cool.
Kissmygrits on December 20, 2009 at 8:06 AM
What is a St. Petersburg Times?
ctmom on December 20, 2009 at 8:13 AM
global warming climate change: biggest lie of the year
maverick muse on December 20, 2009 at 8:17 AM
If you think there will be available benefits (monies) after four years there’s some real-estate on the moon I’ll sell you. Social Security was supposed to be a fund and it’s broke because the money is spent as it comes in and the same will apply to the health care that’s being shoved down our throats. It’s a tax that will be spent on the wishes of Congress and said to be for our own good. 2010 elections can’t come soon enough so we can clean this mess up because it’s only the tip of the ice burg.
mixplix on December 20, 2009 at 8:21 AM
“If you like your health care plan you can keep it.”
Isn’t Medicare Advantage a health care plan?
Think about this for a second — Democrats are pushing a bill no one wants (look at virtually any poll over the last month), that no one has really seen (per Senator Baucus, who ought to know), and that has never made a credible case for “bending the cost curve” in any of its particulars (let me tell you as a professional economist, shifting the cost curve to the right is not “bending” it). They are engaging in some obscene levels of log-rolling (see Ben Nelson’s successful efforts, and Bill Nelson’s attempts) to create a patchwork of unequal treatments under the new law.
And they’re doing it all purely in the interest of Party, to create millions of new supplicants before the State, and based on the idea that even if a majority of people are harmed by the bill, it’s effectively irreversible because of the incentives it gives a minority who benefit to go all-out to protect it (see Public Choice Theory). Set aside the fact that it makes insurance so expensive that millions of additional people will be afraid of giving up their subsidy lest they face the higher costs that result from the “reforms” in the bill.
I hereby nominate as the lie for the next century the following: “My opponent wants to take your health care away.”
DrSteve on December 20, 2009 at 8:23 AM
Plain English never translates well into Newspeak that intrinsically projects common sense to be a lie, a characterization requiring termination. Don’t let the cat out of the bag; so kill it.
$2.5 Trillion is only the PROJECTED costs which reality always proves 1/10th at best the real cost–and that’s only to get the ball rolling, the ball that will mow you down in prison for not cooperating. Imagine 30 years forward. The burgeoning bureaucrats whose job it is to subjugate everyone into line are not limited to the panels considering winners of the service provision lottery.
ANTIPATHY, Obamarx is thy name.
maverick muse on December 20, 2009 at 8:27 AM
I hereby nominate as the lie for the next century the following: “My opponent wants to take your health care away.”
DrSteve on December 20, 2009 at 8:23 AM
Yep. “Republicans want you to just die.”
maverick muse on December 20, 2009 at 8:30 AM
it’s only the tip of the ice burg.
mixplix on December 20, 2009 at 8:21 AM
maverick muse on December 20, 2009 at 8:32 AM
Mid-life crisis Red diaper doper babies address it faithfully to their juvenile green issue.
maverick muse on December 20, 2009 at 8:35 AM
madness
rob verdi on December 20, 2009 at 8:35 AM
To the left, Steve, to the left. Time for more coffee.
DrSteve on December 20, 2009 at 8:36 AM
I really like Jay Costs, point, also seen in the standard. We are allegedly cutting 500 billion from a government run plan to pay insurance companies to take care of the uninsured. How is this progressive?
rob verdi on December 20, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Yawn….of course the msm will lap this up…politifact is liberal…
this will get more air time, then the boondoggle of a mess that will be passed soon….
those kickbacks are going to haunt the (D)s…everyone of them will now want some extra $$$ or hold off their own votes…
cmsinaz on December 20, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Does it even matter that the tax on employee benefits was adamantly opposed by Obama during the general election, and that the health care mandate was opposed during the primary election, And now that is the heart of Obama’s Health Care plan?
rob verdi on December 20, 2009 at 8:41 AM
i’m sure dear leader has a very reasonable explanation
/s
cmsinaz on December 20, 2009 at 8:43 AM
So something said by a politician from the party out of party like no party has been our of power for 30 years says something on facebook that is the “Political lie of the year”
Let’s just call it what it is. The only effective political move they could find against their beloved progressive democrats.
Conan on December 20, 2009 at 9:06 AM
St. Petersburg Times = Leningrad Times.
FOAD, Politi”fact”.
bluelightbrigade on December 20, 2009 at 9:28 AM
We can all thank Palin for even suggesting it. It caught the attention of the MSM, resulting in more public awareness. And, if anyone knew about Daschle’s book, describing how to get nationalized healthcare passed, and what his recommendations included, they’d realize the phrase is pretty close to the mark. So many “lies” to chose from; yet, Politifact picked this? Well, so much for their credibility, assuming they had some.
LindaDinNev on December 20, 2009 at 9:31 AM
He’s always excellent. He takes time with his articles and does his homework.
AnninCA on December 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM
The choice was interesting by Politico to me because the public knew what she meant. A week later, out comes the recommendations regarding women’s healthcare. It was pretty classic, actually. We always knew she was talking about that type of group decisionmaking.
And she was correct. So I was surprised by Politico’s choice.
It seemed very superficial.
AnninCA on December 20, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Recall all the criticism of the SNL dude who does Obama saying he doesn’t even sound like Obama? Well, I just listened to NPR clip of Zero the First from Nopenhagen on Saturday morning while I was half asleep. I was wondering, “Why do they have the SNL Zero on the news?”
I stand corrected: the SNL guy is pitch-perfect! We just couldn’t comprehend how bad a speaker Zero is when he’s off-teleprompter… it actually sounded like Zero was trying to imitate SNL’s spoofing of himself!
drunyan8315 on December 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Has the revolution started yet? I hear Federal prison food is pretty good…the health care is what’s bad /s
wepeople on December 20, 2009 at 11:42 AM
I refuse to listen to Obama, I just can not do it.
I sincerely hope this thing comes back and buries these people. I mean that.
Terrye on December 20, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Blacksmith8 on December 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM
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