Rasmussen: Only 34% say ObamaCare better than passing nothing

posted at 1:36 pm on December 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Rasmussen conducted its latest poll on the health-care overhaul bill in Congress on Wednesday and Thursday, after the announcement that the public option and the Medicare buy-in had been stripped from the bill.  The bill, which has never been popular with likely voters anyway, now only has even limited support from 34% of respondents who say it’s better than passing nothing.  A large majority of 57% says that Congress should just drop the whole thing, but surprisingly, liberals are still bitterly clinging to the remnants of ObamaCare:

Fifty-seven percent (57%) of voters nationwide say that it would be better to pass no health care reform bill this year instead of passing the plan currently being considered by Congress. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 34% think that passing that bill would be better.

Middle-income voters are more likely than others to say that passing no legislation is the better option.

One reason for this is that most Americans now believe they will be worse off if reform passes. Fifty-four percent (54%) hold that view while just 25% believe they would be better off.

Over the last couple of days, the Left’s political class has launched a big effort to stop the bill, claiming that it offers no real reform without a government-run insurance plan.  Former DNC chair Howard Dean has made the media rounds calling on Senate progressives to block a cloture vote.  Keith Olbermann blasted the insurance mandate, exhorting his viewers to defy the law and go to jail rather than comply.  Ed Schultz called Barack Obama “a sell-out” for his acquiescence to Joe Lieberman, as Raw Story reports:

Progressive radio’s most popular talker seems a little fed up with President Obama after this week’s health care concessions.

“Right now, Mr. President,” declared Ed Schultz on his 6 pm MSNBC show, “Your base thinks you’re nothing but a sellout, a corporate sellout, out that. I know it’s tough audio, but I’m your buddy Ed. I’ve got to tell you this. I don’t think anybody else is.”

Schultz’s words echo the flurry of liberal criticisms aimed at Obama and the Democratic leadership this week, following their jettisoning of the popular public option and the Medicare buy-in provision for those 55 and up from the legislation.

“You aren’t listening to the very people who put you in office, Mr. President,” Schultz, who is typically a vigorous supporter of Obama, continued. “This isn’t about your legacy. It’s about the people in America who need health care now.”

Has this campaign been effective?  Not thus far, although it’s still early.  According to Rasmussen’s internals, 58% of Democrats want the bill passed — not an overwhelming number, but it’s more than twice as many (28%) who believe it better to kill the bill. Among self-professed liberals, that number moves upward to 70/21, which means that moderates are much less likely to support the continuing efforts to pass the bill (37/54 among all moderates).  That number increases even more among the “political class,” which supports passage over the status quo, 73/13.

One interesting demographic, new to this poll, is that of Obama’s support categories.  Those who “strongly approve” of Obama’s job performance support passage over starting over by an 82/7 split.  However, among those who “somewhat approve,” that number drops to 52/30, while the Not Sure category splits 0/95 — and the disapproval categories speak for themselves.  Only the Obama True Believers and the political class seem to be enthusiastic about this bill, which really is a redundancy anyway.  But it shows that Olbermann, Dean, and others are in a very small minority of thought in this category, at least so far.

However, Republicans looking to slow down Harry Reid’s progress on the bill may actually help the progressive pushback .  The longer it takes to get to a cloture vote — if Reid ever does get to one — the more time the pushback has to work.  It won’t take much for this bill to unite everyone in sheer disgust, and while it does, it will erode the standing of Democrats in Congress as well as Obama.

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liberals are still bitterly clinging to the remnants of ObamaCare:

nice jiu jitsu

ted c on December 18, 2009 at 1:39 PM

“Right now, Mr. President,” declared Ed Schultz

Ugh … what a blowhard. I dislike this bloated corpse more than bathtub boy.

I suppose they’re getting pretty desperate. Lefties are really a small minority anyway. The only way they ever win elections is by lying to people and stealing votes.

darwin on December 18, 2009 at 1:42 PM

“Progressive radio’s most popular talker…Ed Schultz..”

Oh man, how embarrassing for progressive radio. HAAHAHA!

Bishop on December 18, 2009 at 1:44 PM

liberals are still bitterly clinging to the remnants of ObamaCare

Bleeds Blue is like the crying widow who throws herself on the casket at a funeral.

Chuck Schick on December 18, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Not passing ObamaCare and a gigantic comet crashing into the earth would be better than passing ObamaCare.

myrenovations on December 18, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Give them credit, they managed to alienate just about every demographic along the way.

Tonus on December 18, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Congress and Obama don’t care what the poll numbers are.

Nelson will cave and the bill will be passed.

Happy Festivus for the Rest of Us.

Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 1:48 PM

As you should know, Congress, anytime you try & force a child to do something, they just dig in their heels more.
And since you view us as children, it should be a hint to you to get rid of this stinker.

Badger40 on December 18, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Because when you’ve lost Ed Schultz, you’ve lost one billionth of America.

Chuck Schick on December 18, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Give them credit, they managed to alienate just about every demographic along the way.

Tonus on December 18, 2009 at 1:46 PM

B+ effort on that.
At least BO has accomplished something.

Badger40 on December 18, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Because when you’ve lost Ed Schultz, you’ve lost one billionth of America.

Chuck Schick on December 18, 2009 at 1:49 PM

A more irrelevant persona I have never met.
I am ashamed to live in the same state he is from.
Even worse, he owns a house in Mott where he blows into town on occasion to grace us with his irrelevant presence.

Badger40 on December 18, 2009 at 1:51 PM

liberals are still bitterly clinging to the remnants of ObamaCare

Fired-up! Ready To Go!…down with the sinking ship.

farright on December 18, 2009 at 1:51 PM

99% of informed adults say passing a kidney stone is better than passing Obamacare.

Daggett on December 18, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Obama’s choices seem to be pandering to the extreme fringe left or pander to the majority of the country. He can’t walk a tightrope any longer.

darwin on December 18, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I’m glad that I have never heard of Ed Schultz.

LASue on December 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Nelson will cave and the bill will be passed.

Happy Festivus for the Rest of Us.

Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Rush just said that if Nelson caves, he (Nelson) is finished and he knows it. Rush said if Nelson votes for cloture without the abortion language in the bill he will be done, and will either retire or get “creamed” in 2012.

ladyingray on December 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Only a third of the country wants this. Yet the Dems continue their suicide mission. I honestly don’t know what they’re thinking. Do they not realize the numbers in the House and Senate could flip if they p-ss off the public enough?

Doughboy on December 18, 2009 at 1:57 PM

According to the post at dailykos, Nelson is pretty opposed to everything in the bill. Sanders might cave, but I don’t see Leiberman or Nelson. The Maine twins can just ride the wave of unpopularity and say they are waiting for a better reworked version. It seems safely dead to me, apart from some parliamentary 3am trick to sneak it through.

pedestrian on December 18, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I think the only thing left for the WH to do is to just start writing checks (big ones) to members Congress to buy their vote.

Out-and-out bribery. Why not?

BobMbx on December 18, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Since when did the majority of the democrats become liberals progressives?

txag92 on December 18, 2009 at 1:58 PM

The pundit class still seems sure that Reid ultimately gets the 60 votes for cloture. I’m not so sure. The pundits are probably correct, too much political capital has been invested in this legislative misadventure for the filthy lying coward and his party to back down now. Nevertheless, the longer it takes and the more it becomes clear that the American public does not want this and that it is only coming by the POTUS and his party going it alone…. there is a slim chance that defeat is possible.

Future generations will not be looking back and thanking the filthy lying coward for his seizure of one-sixth of the economy and Democrats are beginning to wake up to this reality.

highhopes on December 18, 2009 at 1:59 PM

It seems safely dead to me, apart from some parliamentary 3am trick to sneak it through.

pedestrian on December 18, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I think it is far from dead. This isn’t about healthcare any more than cap & tax is about fighting global warming. This is about control and the filthy lying coward in the White House has invested far too much political capital in delivering the framework for socialized medicine for him to let this bill die. He will use as much of your money to bribe this bill out of the Senate. He will then use as much of your money as it takes to bribe the process through reconciliation.

highhopes on December 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Since when did the majority of the democrats become liberals progressives?

txag92 on December 18, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Since liberal became dirty word. They want to be known as progressives to suggest that they are less radical than they actually are.

highhopes on December 18, 2009 at 2:03 PM

From “Hope and Change” to “Sheer Disgust” in 11 months. I like it.

Cicero43 on December 18, 2009 at 2:04 PM

I think it’s teetering more than it was 3 weeks ago.

I still won’t breathe easily until it’s deader than dead.

gophergirl on December 18, 2009 at 2:04 PM

I think it is far from dead. This isn’t about healthcare any more than cap & tax is about fighting global warming. This is about control and the filthy lying coward in the White House has invested far too much political capital in delivering the framework for socialized medicine for him to let this bill die. He will use as much of your money to bribe this bill out of the Senate. He will then use as much of your money as it takes to bribe the process through reconciliation.

highhopes on December 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM

That’s been the theory all along. But I don’t see how destroying the Democrat Party in the process helps them at all. They’re already on track for massive losses in the midterms. By ramming this through, they’d all but hand control of Congress over to the GOP.

Doughboy on December 18, 2009 at 2:05 PM

liberals are still bitterly clinging to the remnants of ObamaCare

Heh! :-D

SouthernGent on December 18, 2009 at 2:06 PM

OT:

Here in Northern VA, we’re about to get 20″ of global warming.

Expect a national disaster over the weekend. 1-2″ can stop the city. 20″ is analogous to nuclear detonation.

BobMbx on December 18, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Since when did the majority of the democrats become liberals progressives?

txag92 on December 18, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Most of them only win elections by campaigning to the center. The one benefit of BO’s historic presidency is that the socialist’s are now out of the closet for all to see. Elections in 2010/12 are going to be bloody for the National Socialist Democrat Party!

farright on December 18, 2009 at 2:07 PM

The pundit class still seems sure that Reid ultimately gets the 60 votes for cloture. I’m not so sure.

Well, Dr. K is sticking with that talking point and hasn’t waivered one bit. He said last night that this bill will not be held up because of one vote.

Nelson know’s he toast if he votes for this, but Barry and friends will let him fall on his sword and give him some cushy ambassadorship on some warm Pacific Island.

Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 2:09 PM

give him some cushy ambassadorship on some warm Pacific Island.

Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Now how that job be cushy when that island will soon be underwater?

WashJeff on December 18, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Nelson know’s he toast if he votes for this, but Barry and friends will let him fall on his sword and give him some cushy ambassadorship on some warm Pacific Island.

Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 2:09 PM

And how long will that last once the Dems lose power?

Doughboy on December 18, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Kill this now so I can sing Emmanuel at Christmas Eve Mass without thinking of someone else.

Trusser13 on December 18, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I’m sure both of Ed Shultz’ listeners appreciated his impassioned commentary.

kingsjester on December 18, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Here in Northern VA, we’re about to get 20″ of global warming.

Expect a national disaster over the weekend. 1-2″ can stop the city. 20″ is analogous to nuclear detonation.

BobMbx on December 18, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Suck it up, Valdez, AK got 68″. ;-)

WashJeff on December 18, 2009 at 2:13 PM


Only 34% say ObamaCare better than passing nothing

Same idiots probably feel the same about flatulence!

chickasaw42 on December 18, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Since liberal became dirty word. They want to be known as progressives to suggest that they are less radical than they actually are.

highhopes on December 18, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Shifting definitions of absolutes is how these weasles lull the ignorant and monumentally stupid into voting for them.
Over… and …over…again…

Badger40 on December 18, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Republicans wouldn’t have to worry about any “Progressive Pushback” if they had their own Pushback. It’s incredible how conditioned we all are to defensiveness. We all seem to waiting with bated breath over what the new polls says about whatever new strategy the Left is using. Are we losing yet? Are we losing yet? Have we lost traction yet?

Push them back. How’s that for a novel GOP strategy?

rrpjr on December 18, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Push attack them back. How’s that for a novel GOP strategy?

rrpjr on December 18, 2009 at 2:14 PM

The time for being nicey nice has come and gone.
Time to get down and dirty.

Badger40 on December 18, 2009 at 2:15 PM

I think the only thing left for the WH to do is to just start writing checks (big ones) to members Congress to buy their vote.

Out-and-out bribery. Why not?

BobMbx on December 18, 2009 at 1:58 PM

That or they could just continue to break 233 year old senate rules and pass it with a simple majority. I wouldn’t even be surprised if I wake up in the morning and they just declare that it passed.

Youngs98 on December 18, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Doughboy on December 18, 2009 at 1:57 PM

They know it’s political suicide. They don’t care. Entitlements once created are permanent. They will accept the short term defeat in 2010 to achieve their long term true goal – the transformation of the United States from a liberty loving individualistic society into a European social welfare state. That’s the purpose all this – Cap and Trade, the stimulus, healthcare reform – it’s all about permamently increasing the size and scope of government. “The uninsured” and “Climate Change” are just propaganda tools to trick people into giving up their liberty for government control.

Ted Torgerson on December 18, 2009 at 2:19 PM

WashJeff on December 18, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Talk to da hand! I earned my bones in AK (’68-71,) WI (’91-95) and Minneapolis (’95-01).

I ain’t afeer’ed of no snow….

BobMbx on December 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM

That’s been the theory all along. But I don’t see how destroying the Democrat Party in the process helps them at all. They’re already on track for massive losses in the midterms. By ramming this through, they’d all but hand control of Congress over to the GOP.

Doughboy on December 18, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Democrats are willing to take the hits if it gets them the opportunity to seize healthcare. They are willing to throw a certain number of their own under the bus if it gets them the framework for socialized medicine. The infighting is merely identifying which Democrats will be expected to take one for the team.

highhopes on December 18, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Liberals wanting to be called progressive in order to hide who they really are is like a mass murderer complaing about being called a mass murderer because he only killed three people.

ConservativeTony on December 18, 2009 at 2:21 PM

That’s the purpose all this – Cap and Trade, the stimulus, healthcare reform – it’s all about permamently increasing the size and scope of government. “The uninsured” and “Climate Change” are just propaganda tools to trick people into giving up their liberty for government control.

Ted Torgerson on December 18, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Correct. That is why over half of Porkulus has not yet been spent, even though it was a life or death emergency to get it passed.

Johnnyreb on December 18, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Here in Northern VA, we’re about to get 20″ of global warming.

Expect a national disaster over the weekend. 1-2″ can stop the city. 20″ is analogous to nuclear detonation.

BobMbx on December 18, 2009 at 2:07 PM

The first storm of the season is always over-hyped. My prediction is closer to ten inches though I give myself some latitude by adding that totals are really going to depend on what the front does over the next few hours. What concerns me more is the fact that it is supposed to start as rain, meaning that there will be a nice layer of ice under whatever snow accumulates…

Bottom line, I’m hitting the grocery store and ABC store tonight and plan on hibernating tomorrow.

highhopes on December 18, 2009 at 2:24 PM

“This isn’t about your legacy. It’s about the people in America who need health care now.”

Memo to Ed Schultz: EVERYTHING is about his legacy…ALWAYS.

KeepOhioRed on December 18, 2009 at 2:25 PM

And how long will that last once the Dems lose power?

Doughboy on December 18, 2009 at 2:12 PM

It’s pretty obvious they’re too stupid to think they’re going to lose power.

Or maybe Soros can just buy an island for Nelson.

Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM

I ain’t afeer’ed of no snow….

BobMbx on December 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM

I sense a new direction (global change 360) is looming on the horizon. Back again to global cooling.

Time to fire up the bbqs, buying gas guzzlers, heating our homes to 70, cooling them to 60, mowing the lawn with gas, etc….

I just want to help heal the planet after so many years of doing whatever we did to cool it.

ConservativeTony on December 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM

The first storm of the season is always over-hyped.

highhopes on December 18, 2009 at 2:24 PM

I don’t know… they got the storm from a couple weeks ago wrong… in the opposite direction… it was supposed to rain all day, turn to snow at night, and leave about 1 inch. Well, in my area (western PW County), it never rained… just snowed… got about 5 inches.

Yesterday morning, they were predicting 1-3 inches…. This morning, they were predicting 10-15.

I should have been a meteorologist. You can fail all you want and never be fired.

BPD on December 18, 2009 at 2:32 PM

“Right now, Mr. President,” declared Ed Schultz

I heard that as “Right now, Mr. President boy.” Shame on you, Ed Schultz.

/

DrAllecon on December 18, 2009 at 2:34 PM

You guys hear about the buffoonish Queen of England, who went green by clearing the everyday travelers out of a train car instead of taking her stupid jet?

ConservativeTony on December 18, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Copenhagen is,
Judging by recent events,
The New Waterloo.

Haiku Guy on December 18, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I should have been a meteorologist. You can fail all you want and never be fired.

BPD on December 18, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Or an economist for the same reason. Just look at Christine Romer.

As to the storms. Bottom line it does not matter because people around here do not know how to drive and the counties do not have the equipment to deal with more than a light dusting.

highhopes on December 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Only the Obama True Believers and the political class seem to be enthusiastic about this bill

Got that right. But those Kool Aid drinkers would swallow Barry’s urine if he asked them to.

GarandFan on December 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Only the Obama True Believers and the political class seem to be enthusiastic about this bill

The question is going to come down to wether or not they and Obama’s underhanded Chicago tactics will be enough.

Dark-Star on December 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM

… WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 6 AM EST SUNDAY…

A WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 6 AM EST SUNDAY.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE… SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS… HEAVY SNOW WITH ACCUMULATIONS OF 10 TO 20 INCHES THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT.

* TIMING… SNOW WILL BEGIN BETWEEN 11 PM AND 2 AM TONIGHT AND WILL CONTINUE THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY MORNING. SNOW WILL BE HEAVIEST BETWEEN 8 AM AND 6 PM SATURDAY.

* TEMPERATURES… UPPER 20S TO LOWER 30S THROUGH THE EVENT… LOW TO MID 30S IN COASTAL SOUTHERN MARYLAND.

* WINDS… 10 TO 20 MPH THROUGH THE EVENT… WITH GUSTS OF 25 TO 30 MPH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS…

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. STRONG WINDS ARE ALSO POSSIBLE. CONDITIONS WILL DETERIORATE VERY RAPIDLY SATURDAY MORNING AND WILL MAKE TRAVEL EXTREMELY TREACHEROUS.

Weather for DC.

And Lieberman, an Orthodox Jew, will not drive or ride on the Sabbath. So he walks from Georgetown.

Wethal on December 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM

The bill in its present form [whatever that is - only few know] is bad because no matter how you slice & dice it, it has federal mandates which are unconstitutional. I laugh at the punditry saying that this bill in any form will still pass. Governors are weighing in saying that the proposals still place the burden of all these federal mandates on them and it will ultimately bankrupt their state economies. There are some states right now that are operating in the red with no positive forecast in the near future. Most states have constitutions requiring them to balance their budgets. When federal taxes go up to support federal bureaucratic postions, this is a drain on any strained local or state economy. If more money is leaving the state to support federal programs than what is coming back from the federal government, the states find it hard to balance their budgets. It’s difficult to raise taxes in a recession and rightly so because most of them promised not to raise taxes in order to get elected to office in the first place.

This federally proposed rationed health mandated legislation is another good intentioned entitlement program that can only mean higher federal taxes for everyone eventually. Higher federal taxes only means less disposable income. Less disposable income translates into less demand which begets loss of jobs, loss of more jobs means less generated tax revenue. John Maynard Keynes ghost is so proud of the Democrats. First stimulus, now this pile of dung.

Doctor Zero wrote and posted a great piece about the mystery of unemployment in the GreenRoom. Milton Freidman would be very proud.

With or without the public option, the bill is still a threat to our own economic freedoms because it removes choice, rations care, eliminates competition and ultimately it will be facing the same results we are having with the existing government run entitlement programs.

Americannodash on December 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM

We Won…and I earned a B+…

right2bright on December 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM

All I want for Christmas is a once in a century Blizzard for Sun through Thursday shuttin DC down for Christmas!
A global baloney 4 feet of snow followed by 70 MPH winds and an arctic freeze!

Please Santa I’ve been good (most of the time)!

dhunter on December 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM

The numbers are irrelevant. The possibility of taking over 1/6 of the US economy is too irresistible even to many Repubs—trust me they would vote for it if it were their plan. Oh you think not, Bush and crew engineered and passed the drug benefit legislation increasing Medicare’s deficit by the hundreds of billions and quite possibly trillions:

……The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act (Pub.L. 108-173, 117 Stat. 2066, also called Medicare Modernization Act or MMA) is a law of the United States which was enacted in 2003.[1] It produced the largest overhaul of Medicare in the public health program’s 38-year history.

The MMA was signed by President George W. Bush on December 8, 2003, after passing in Congress by a close margin [2].

One month later, the ten-year cost estimate was boosted to $534 billion, up more than $100 billion over the figure presented by the Bush administration during Congressional debate. The inaccurate figure helped secure support from fiscally conservative Republicans. It was reported that an administration official, Thomas A. Scully, had concealed the higher estimate and threatened to fire Medicare Chief Actuary Richard Foster if he revealed it.[3] By early 2005, the White House Budget had increased the 10-year estimate to $1.2 trillion.[4]

Former US Comptroller General David M. Walker has called this “…probably the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960s… because we promise way more than we can afford to keep.”

I bring this up not to embarrass Bush/repubs etc but to say that government is a constant expanding cancer, the cells of which only argue about its direction not its size. It is for this reason I believe health care legislation cannot be stopped.

patrick neid on December 18, 2009 at 4:03 PM

“You aren’t listening to the very people who put you in office, Mr. President,”
Good God what an idiot. It was the Blacks, young people and the moderates who put him in office. Not the left because the left ALWAYS votes for the person with the D behind their name. The moderates have abandoned him in droves and the Blacks won’t vote again until he is on the ballot. He is a one termer. KILL BILL.

inspectorudy on December 18, 2009 at 5:40 PM

I repeat what I said in the headlines:

Passing a kidney stone is better than passing this bill.

Vashta.Nerada on December 18, 2009 at 7:32 PM