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I’m pretty sure Bush never told Coburn that he was keeping score,but Obama’s thuggery and vindictiveness is clear to Coburn
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/72889-pelosi-rahm-do-not-scare-rep-defazio
macncheez on December 18, 2009 at 11:55 PM
No, my friend. He’s just a politician.
They lie.
Kini on December 18, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Only for one side. Our side tries WAY too hard keep it friendly and treat the Dems as though they are honorable opponents. They are anything but.
Sporty1946 on December 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Sporty1946: Ya I can relate to that,so then,I`ll say it!!
MEMO:To the RNC,please stop acting like polite Canadians
and get in there and fight,and stop playing nice!!
There Sporty1946,I feel much better,tho I kid!!:)
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:57 PM
I want to read them first, cause I don’t trust them.
Kini on December 18, 2009 at 11:58 PM
Did Arlyn Specter have a baby son?
Travis1 on December 18, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Maybe Cobourn,is just Crazy like a Fox!!:)
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:41 PM
No, my friend. He’s just a politician.
They lie.
Kini on December 18, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Kini: D*mmit Kini,I so wanted to believe!!!!hehe:)
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Let’s get it straight. Coburn says Obama is wonderful. Bush is terrific. And he may even rate Hugo Chavez as delightful. It doesn’t matter. All niceties add up to zilch.
As long as Coburn keeps up the legal parliamentary tactics against reid/pelousy/maobama deathcare, let’s not get silly about idiocy like this. This is about as substantial a blog item as Palin crossing “McCain” off her visor.
Western_Civ on December 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM
If you haven’t already done so. You should read one of my favorite Canadian blogs and one of my favorite topics.
La cuvée capitaliste
Kini on December 19, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Well,Call of Duty is calling,zee video gaming,
nite everyone,Aloha Kini,nice chating again,
sweet dreams,
and HawkDriver,keep the faith,stay safe!!:)
canopfor on December 19, 2009 at 12:08 AM
But he has no problem going on the record, the campaign trail, on television, personally deriding Bush? He said in this very clip that the reason he didnt’ have a good relationship with Bush is because he campaigned against him.
Dollayo on December 19, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Actually, I have to disagree with you. When you invite a clown to a party, you have a circus.
Civility is giving weigh to vulgarity.
Kini on December 19, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Aloha, A hui hou.
Kini on December 19, 2009 at 12:16 AM
Coburn is my Senator. I’ve sent him two notes of criticism and several notes of thanks. But the two notes were against this buddy-buddy with Obama while his constituents are fighting a revolution! He just doesn’t get that. And he doesn’t get that his “friend” will throw him under the bus whenever it’s expedient for him to do so.
Oh and the 2nd note was voting for TARP!
The 3rd will be about amnesty for illegal aliens for which he has stated he wants to bring a compromise. I like Coburn but I wish he would get off the my friend kick. Sounds like McCain.
Christian Conservative on December 19, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Agree with BadgerHawk and others. This is the way polite society is taught to act. He has class. Also, tons of Republicans loved Teddy Kennedy. Why? Because he was always personally calling when there were births, deaths, etc in the family and whatnot. He was very friendly as a person to them. This is all Coburn is saying.
di butler on December 19, 2009 at 12:23 AM
You got that right!
Hobbes on December 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM
It makes them have a wishy-washy middle of the road appearance. McCain-ish indeed.
However, the record is the real proof of purchase.
If you don’t like the product, get a refund.
Kini on December 19, 2009 at 12:31 AM
Come Monday afternoon there will be more to consider. Yes. So charge up your batteries, get some rest.
Robert17 on December 19, 2009 at 12:35 AM
How does it matter how these politicians treat other politicians ? They can all be members of a ‘mutual admiration club’, but how they treat their’subjects’ is what affects us, and thats why they need to be praised or derided relentlessly and truthfully.
Coburn maybe a good buddy to his fellow politicians, Obama maybe a good husband and father, so what ? My life and my pocketbook is affected by what they do to me not as a good buddy but as a politician.
macncheez on December 19, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Without having read all the comments here, but having read some, I’m baffled by the level of vilification toward Coburn. Basically he says he has a good personal relationship with Obama, and didn’t with Bush because there just was never the chance to foster such a relationship. Okay, how is that a bad thing exactly? He also rightly points out that Bush was too liberal on domestic issues. Again, what’s wrong with that? You can argue that it’s hypocritical because Obama’s worse, but ummmm… that would be valid if Coburn had shown an aversion to criticizing Obama because of their friendship. But he hasn’t. Soooo… again… what’s the problem here? What am I missing? Why is he a bad person for being friends with someone with whom he has disagreements?
As for the second video, it’s great, and if you have doubts that he doesn’t let his personal opinion of Obama get in the way of his job, you probably didn’t watch it.
OneGyT on December 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Something missing here. He was too critical of Bush because of his “growth of government” so he couldn’t have a good relationship with him, but he has a lot of admiration for Obama?
Good grief, Tom. At least he is clear-headed enough to realize that Obama is wrong on just about every public policy position known to man.
Jaibones on December 19, 2009 at 12:46 AM
I will probably be the only one on this thread with this opinion….but I’ll say it anyway. How does it help Republicans when other Republicans are always dumping on Bush? I
terryannonline on December 19, 2009 at 12:48 AM
The problem I have with this not what he said about Obama but what he said about Bush. Why is that he can’t seem to put aside his policy differences with Bush and form a strong personal relationship like he can with Obama? At 0:46 he said that the reason he didn’t have a good relationship with Bush is because he was critical and campaigned against his big spending, big government polices but for some unknown reason he doesn’t have this problem with Obama and his big spending, big government, bankrupt the country, policies.
Dollayo on December 19, 2009 at 12:53 AM
Pure political cowardliness probably. Bush approval ratings starting tanking quickly after 2005….when he joined the Senate. He didn’t want to be seen too close to Bush. Like McCain treated Bush during the 2008 campaign. These politicians have no spine.
terryannonline on December 19, 2009 at 12:57 AM
I’m with ya on that, and you’re right, it’s probably poll driven
Dollayo on December 19, 2009 at 1:01 AM
And just be clear I’m not saying “Don’t criticize Bush.” I have absolutely no problems with Republicans criticizes Bush. My issue is that is ALL do. I do see how it helps the GOP brand when even fellow Republicans are treating the last Republican president as the “evil Bush.”
terryannonline on December 19, 2009 at 1:05 AM
Geeze people get a grip. Coburn and Obama, as two individuals have a good relationship. Big deal. There’s more to life than politics.
therightwinger on December 19, 2009 at 1:05 AM
Your momma is Sun-tzu?
Bless.
Please tell her that I loved her book.
justltl on December 19, 2009 at 1:06 AM
Meant to write:
I don’t see how it helps the GOP brand when even fellow Republicans are treating the last Republican president as the “evil Bush.”
terryannonline on December 19, 2009 at 1:06 AM
I don’t like to see Bush being dumped on. Especially, since Bush did more good than bad. Bush didn’t act like a fiscal conservative in the second term. He acted more like a spending liberal. He Supernova’ed in the end.
Bush had the political capital and he used it. It was the responsibility of other Republicans to use their own good judgment to regulate it. They didn’t.
Such is history.
Kini on December 19, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Treating Bush as ‘evil’ worked for Obama and the libs. Maybe the GOP thinks it’ll work for them too
macncheez on December 19, 2009 at 1:15 AM
I think the Republicans should at least try be balanced it’s assessment of Bush. Here is what he did wrong and strayed Republican/conservative principles. Here is what he got right.
terryannonline on December 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM
To do so, will not fair nicely for the GOP.
It’s a matter of positioning the positive, not the negative.
If you want to win, you have to present achievements, not disappointments.
There are more achievements than disappointments with the GOP.
Kini on December 19, 2009 at 1:24 AM
That’s the template. The message. It’s easier to focus on the negatives than the positives.
Reagen, brought that with, “Are you better off than you were”
Kini on December 19, 2009 at 1:29 AM
History will judge Bush. Not 2010, or 2012.
Kini on December 19, 2009 at 1:31 AM
Anybody that thinks Obama is a wonderful man has a serious mental deficiency. I think he can probably be trusted as far as you can throw him…
theaddora on December 19, 2009 at 1:42 AM
Coburn = blithring idiot/or/pathological liar
either way…
urbancenturion on December 19, 2009 at 1:52 AM
Stupid is, as stupid does
Kini on December 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM
In case of GWB, whenever he went for pleasing the liberals by supporting Pelosi’s and Kennedy’s initiatives, the liberals instead of thanking him, just turned around and punched him in the face.
The mexican government treated him the same way although Bush went out of his way against the wishes of his own conservative base.
The tragedy for all of us was that the country suffered . Liberals got everything they wanted and conservatives got alienated in the process by the Bush WH. Bush and GOP took conservatives for granted and in the end, both got a bloody nose from the liberals .
And GOP still hasn’t learnt its lesson. Thats what amazes me.
macncheez on December 19, 2009 at 2:00 AM
I am also, in astonishment. It is what it is.
We, are ultimately responsible for voting these people into office.
If fingers are to to be pointed. We, the American people have been complacent in the election of idiots.
Kini on December 19, 2009 at 2:16 AM
I saw the whole segment on CSPAN. He was merely saying that he has a close “personal” relationship with Obamba because they were Freshmen Senators together. He disagreed with Bush’s spending so they didn’t get along.
I wish you would show a clip of the IMPORTANT parts of this interview. As a Dr., his ideas for cutting medical costs and insuring everyone, are so logical and make so much common sense it is a shame we are wasting such a talented resource in the Senate to help reform health care.
What a great loss to our country for not using this man’s knowledge and understanding of the health care system. As someone who has followed this debate very closely, this is the first time I’ve heard his reform ideas.
He also said there will be rationing. The Medicare Advisory Board, the Comparative Effectiveness Board and the USTFPS, the one that just rationed mammograms, are a part of the bill and their guidelines and judgements will be required to be followed, which is in case, rationing, or “Death Panels”, built and mandated right into this bill. Also these boards are appointed so they will be removed from public pressure.
The scariest thing though, he said the House would pass whatever the Senate signs, indicating no conference. Because he’s in the know, I think this means the House will very quickly sign the exact bill the Senate signs on Christmas Eve, and the Prez could very well sign it before Jan 1, or right after the House returns to DC.
mhrepub on December 19, 2009 at 5:11 AM
Coburn is part of the “good old boys” club in the senate. I get it. As far as being friends with the One, I have to ask, in similar cicumstances, would I be friends with the One?
He!! no! He’s against my way of life, he’s intent on destroying this country.
If he was my next door neighbor, I’d move!
donh525 on December 19, 2009 at 5:47 AM
Dogpile on Coburn? No.
maverick muse on December 19, 2009 at 6:26 AM
I’ve been a fan of Coburn’s since he first got to the Senate, but didn’t follow closely enough to bother to see him on TV, just kind of followed his writings and press clippings, etc. This is one smart, reasonable guy.
RWLA on December 19, 2009 at 6:42 AM
mhrepub on December 19, 2009 at 5:11 AM
I’m sorry I missed the C-SPAN hour with Coburn. The clips above actually included your points in brief. But when people are anxious, they read their fears as the message. Folks, just because Coburn is a gentleman does not make him a fool. He said that on policy, he and Obama disagree. Coburn disapproves of increasing bureaucracy, whether it’s Bush or Obama running an administration.
Months ago on C-SPAN, I saw him with the other Republican Physicians in Congress explaining in Parliamentary fashion the original ObamaCare bill they had diagrammed for the public.
I’m not surprised, but all the more disappointed in Obama, BECAUSE he has a good relationship with Coburn, that Obama denied Coburn an influential position forming the Health Care Bill, having relegated this entire project into Eugenics. Had Obama given Coburn a seat of authority in the health care bill passage, their “personal friendship” would have suffered.
maverick muse on December 19, 2009 at 6:44 AM
CSpan2 is now live.
Enoxo on December 19, 2009 at 6:45 AM
Coburn is a physician. He has honed his patience working with every sort of personality needing his assistance under stressful circumstances. There is no call for Coburn to adopt ugly mannerisms to make his point. It takes all sorts including those who are calm and collected; not every good leader must be a firebrand and bite the opponent, though the delivery of effective force is a requirement.
maverick muse on December 19, 2009 at 6:53 AM
I’ve always had a problem with this buddy-buddy stuff with the enemy. And I do consider those who are trying to destroy our way of life the enemy. They deserve to be shunned. That’s not by any means all the Dems, but Obama certainly fits in that category.
VBMax on December 19, 2009 at 6:59 AM
I like Coburn, one of the good conservative across the red river, but the real reason he never had a good relationship with Bush was The University of Texas was kicking the hell out of his Oklahoma Sooner’s……….lol
Being critical of Bush is one thing, but this Obama is a wonderful man who he admire very so much? That’s Matthews Legs and Harry Smith’s panties b/s!
try again later on December 19, 2009 at 7:31 AM
How can a good man have such evil plans?
Buy Danish on December 19, 2009 at 7:33 AM
Something happens to the people after a few years in D.C.They start using terms like this and they start calling ever other sen. & congressman my good friend.They loose touch with the real world.Also they are so afraid of what the Post or NYT will say about them.The only way to solve this is to limit there time there.I one,s saw Ted Kennedy at a press conference say the most awful things about the Rep.with Bob Dole standing right by him .Then Dole started talking by saying my good friend Ted.Normal people would have started by punching Ted in his big fat nose.
thmcbb on December 19, 2009 at 7:52 AM
The ONLY reason these criminals aren’t hanging from a tree near the capitol, is the “cover” of the media. What they’re doing is borderline treason, and they know it. Pelosi, Dodd, Frank, Reid, and OBAMA are criminals.
marklmail on December 19, 2009 at 8:15 AM
Wow, that must blow your little minds. A Red-blooded red stater like Cobern suggesting that it’s possible that President Obama could disagree with you guys on issues, and still not be morally evil! Doesn’t that go to the core of your arguments? That any disagreement with far-right policy is immoral?
People keep behaving like Coburn and maybe this country could come together again. Can’t have that.
(And yes, I know my team is less than stellar in this area, too).
Bleeds Blue on December 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM
I think it is completely appropriate and in fact, necessary for politicians to treat each other with respect and civility. The only exception to this is Al Franken. He needs to be beaten harshly with a rad hose.
Syd B. on December 19, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Coming together would be nice … but since the communist progressives control the democrat party now, it a virtual impossibility. Nothing, absolutely nothing the democrats stand for these days is in line with the founding of this country.
The progressive “bill of rights” is more in line with the Soviet Constitution than anything else. Older democrats are slowly realizing that the democrat party isn’t the democrat party anymore. In fact, the democrat platform is virtually undistinguishable from the Communist party USA.
Since when have democrats compromised on anything? Or even attempted to cross the aisle? It’s always taking more freedom, imposing more restrictions, more taxes and growing a more powerful government.
Even you Blue, must realize your party has been taken over by communist progressives. If that’s what you want, that’s one thing … but at least admit it.
darwin on December 19, 2009 at 9:11 AM
I actually read this yesterday, and found it hilarious.
I’m sure that people in Congress are quaking in their boots that Mr. Below-50%-Approval-Rating-And-Sinking-Lower-All-The-Time is gonna get rough and tough with them.
Vyce on December 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM
OT – Did you catch that Lieberman may not be in town tonight to be a 60th vote? Still think it was super cool for the angry clown not to give him that extra minute?
BadgerHawk on December 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM
there we go! There’s the right we we know and love!
Can’t be in favor of health care reform without being an unpatriotic communist bent on destroying America. No chance of a something simple like an honest policy agreement between people of sincere good will and intention. It has to be a conscious conspiracy to destroy all that is Right and Good.
My understanding is that leaders of both parties told him that there would be no votes where he is needed.
Besides, I’m sure that a noble, courageous Warrior for Good like Joe Lieberman would never do anything petty or vindictive.
Bleeds Blue on December 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM
This isn’t health care reform no matter how fast you spin. Forcing people to buy insurance? Subsidizing insurance? Increased premiums? Rationed care?
That’s reform?
“No chance of a something simple like an honest policy agreement between people of sincere good will and intention.”
In all honesty, do you really think subverting the will of the people is honest and sincere? You deny the communist influence, stick your head in the sand. Either you don’t know the history of progressives or you do and ignore it.
Your party has caused great harm to this nation and before it’s over it will cause even more. Your party actively works against the people of this country and you condone it.
Ignore it, that’s what you always do.
darwin on December 19, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Adams and Jefferson were known adversaries. And yet they were civil. We’ve lost sight of this. Think of your own life. Do you not have many acquaintances (neighbors, etc.) to which you are diametrically opposed and yet are civil with each other? It’s called civility… manners… etiquette. I’m all for it as long as Coburn separates the issues from the person and performs his job well.
PrincipledPilgrim on December 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Write me when we start collectivizing farms, banning private property, jailing and assassinating dissidents and suspending elections. Until then your use of the term “communists” shows either an ignorance of history or a hysterical mind. or both.
Bleeds Blue on December 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Okay, I can understand that. But I think what he’s getting at is his first interactions with Bush were centered around their political differences, which makes it harder to get past. Whereas with Obama they formed a personal bond before becoming as major political adversaries as they’ve become. So I still don’t think what he said warrants the reaction it’s getting, but I can understand where you’re coming from.
OneGyT on December 19, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Wouldn’t it be refreshing for someone to simply say, I’m not his judge personally, but I think he’s been repeatedly untruthful to the American people, and his policies are quasi-marxist and exactly what this nation doesn’t need.
Was that so hard? Not a mean streak in it.
paul1149 on December 19, 2009 at 10:24 AM
You’ve highlighted either your ignorance, or your fear to face what your party is.
I bet you’ve never read the Soviet Constitution … here’s a taste:
Article 42. Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection.
This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life.
Article 43. Citizens of the USSR have the right to maintenance in old age, in sickness, and in the event of complete or partial disability or loss of the breadwinner.
The right is guaranteed by social insurance of workers and other employees and collective farmers; by allowances for temporary disability; by the provision by the state or by collective farms of retirement pensions, disability pensions, and pensions for loss of the breadwinner; by providing employment for the partially disabled; by care for the elderly and the disabled; and by other forms of social security.
Article 44. Citizens of the USSR have the rights to housing.
This right is ensured by the development and upkeep of state and socially-owned housing; by assistance for co-operative and individual house building; by fair distribution, under public control, of the housing that becomes available through fulfilment of the programme of building well-appointed dwellings, and by low rents and low charges for utility services. Citizens of the USSR shall take good care of the housing allocated to them.
Article 45. Citizens of the USSR have the right to education.
This right is ensured by free provision of all forms of education, by the institution of universal, compulsory secondary education, and broad development of vocational, specialised secondary, and higher education, in which instruction is oriented toward practical activity and production; by the development of extramural, correspondence and evening courses, by the provision of state scholarships and grants and privileges for students; by the free issue of school textbooks; by the opportunity to attend a school where teaching is in the native language; and by the provision of facilities for self-education. It all sounds great huh? We all know how well it worked don’t we?
darwin on December 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Yeah, and Norman Thomas’s Socialist Party platform for 1936 (or whenever) is now mostly law, too.
But if being in favor of public education, Social Security and and abolition of child labor makes me a Communist, well color me (and the vast majority of the American people) Red.
Bleeds Blue on December 19, 2009 at 10:45 AM
That’s not the point and you intentionally dance around it. The point is more government control, more government power and less indiviual freedom and liberty.
You pick out a few choice phrases and words and ignore the overall result of having an all powerful and corrupt government control the lives of people. It doesn’t work. Millions of people have lost their lives proving it doesn’t work. If it did the framers would have written the Soviet Constitution instead of the one we have which specifically limits federal power.
The democrats have ignored the Constitution because it’s the only way to reach their goal.
All I have to say is thanks Blue, er, Red! Thanks for being a frightened, mindless minion and selling us out.
darwin on December 19, 2009 at 10:58 AM
AMEN!!!
And there should be a Constitutional Ammendment which prohibits bills which are over 1 page long.
It seems that more pages = more graft and corruption. We are also tearing down the “Ignorance of the Law is No Excuse” doctrine by ramming through telephone-book-size bills which nobody reads.
Once a court agrees that the law is impossible to know, it’ll be every man for himself!!
If I were King, I’d also cap the total body of Federal Law at 435 pages (one for each Congressman). This means that they’d have to repeal a law in order to add a new one. Net result would be that everyone could read and know Federal law. (I can dream, can’t I?)
landlines on December 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr were known adversaries as well. And we know how that ended.
Slowburn on December 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM
US Senators are wanton whores.
Tom Coburn is a US Senator.
happyfeet on December 19, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Maybe it was his evil twin . . . . . Truth is stranger than fiction. Ya couldn`t make this stuff up!
Sherman1864 on December 20, 2009 at 1:33 AM
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