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UGH!!
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 10:27 PM
That is totally not good…geez!
I think going to DC makes even intelligent people sound retarded. This is surreal.
I promise to never let anybody elect me to Congress.
AUINSC on December 18, 2009 at 10:29 PM
The aids who answer Sen. Coburn’s office said yesterday that they are receiving thousands of calls from Democrats, incl. from California, on lauding him for initiating the Sanders amendment to be read out loud.
Schadenfreude on December 18, 2009 at 10:31 PM
I think the second clip would be great if it could be put into an ad.
El_Terrible on December 18, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Errrrr Errrrr
SouthernGent on December 18, 2009 at 10:32 PM
What a classy and intelligent man.
Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 10:32 PM
I`m perplexed,he claims he never had a good relationship
with Bush,is Senator Coburn a RINO!!!!!!!!!!!
And,Obama done fooled him good,me thinks!!
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 10:32 PM
I liked him. Don’t know much about him, but he sounds like my kind of conservative. And he is right… “no” is the correct thing to say on this bill.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 10:32 PM
I think Coburn is fine here. Nobody on our side is calling Obama awful racist names like Ralph Nader did.
JKahn913 on December 18, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Lemme get this straight… you were critical of Bush for his spending and the growth in government… but Obama is a wonderful man who you admire very much?
mankai on December 18, 2009 at 10:33 PM
I’m sure on some sort of personal level Obama may be a decent person. I don’t know. Most narcissistic people are not easy to be around nor are they capable of feeling anything for anyone other than themselves. I think the first video was “politically correct” with a hint of gratitude for condolences for his mother. The second video he is absolutely right. Being a parent of 2 teenaged boys, the word “no” has become a common response. When you know that someone is getting ready to make a decision that is not in their best interest you have to stop them.
milwife88 on December 18, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Btw,the Left will use Coburn,as see,not all Republicans
hate,er dislike Obama!!
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 10:34 PM
He had a problem with Bush’s spending and Bury is a wonderful man.
thomasaur on December 18, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Somebody,spiked Coburns drinks,and coffee`s with
KOOL-AID!!!!
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 10:35 PM
How crazy is that that Coburn has a better relationship with President Obama than he had with Bush?
BadgerHawk on December 18, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Yeah, Knucklehead, he does sound pretty intelligent. I think he is too generous with Obambi, but that does show he is pretty classy. And I think he had a great point – Obambi should have LED on the healthcare issue, and gotten the middle ground. A strategic mistake.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 10:35 PM
beat me to it
thomasaur on December 18, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Okay, now everyone in America tell obamacare legislators…….NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, O, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO,…….
whatzit2u on December 18, 2009 at 10:36 PM
I think Obama also mentioned Coburn during a debate about how he was close to him and considered him a friend… I think at the same time though, he through him under the bus and compared him to Ayers?
El_Terrible on December 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM
The point here is they’re not attacking Obama the person. They’re attacking Obama the policies.
Obama may be a great guy as a person. But he sucks as a President, and his policies are horrible.
Enoxo on December 18, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Bury doesn’t want the middle ground on healthcare. He wants single payer,public option universal gubmint controlled healthcare. Saying nice things about the enemy doesn’t make them any less the enemy.
thomasaur on December 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM
It is pretty crazy Badgerhawk, but there you go. He probably didnt like Bush’s spending habits, and let’s face it, Bush was pretty damn RINOy on domestic policy at times.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM
They were both senators, so they worked alongside each other. I imagine they frequently saw and talked to each other, while access to President Bush for long periods was less common.
El_Terrible on December 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
I think Coburn is wrong. The ones that brought him to the dance were not the far left base – though they did help him beat Hillary, but it’s the moderates and dorks like Brooks/Parker/Noonan and their ilk that can’t see past the label or the crease to the real person.
If the ones who brought him to the dance wanted his legislative package, the polls wouldn’t reflect that people think no hc bill would be the best option now. Same with cap/trade, etc.
Spirit of 1776 on December 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
I think the point, which he doesn’t clarify very well, is that after he became critical of President Bush the relationship was effectively done. Bush probably didn’t expect a conservative like Coburn to tear into him that hard.
It’s the same thing you’re seeing with the activist left vs. the establishment left right now. Mathews probably never imagined that kos would go after President Obama. A cheerleader like him feels blind sided, watching his guy get stabbed in the back by people he thought would fall on the ObamaCare sword just like him.
Coburn and President Obama know exactly what their political positions are with regards to each other, so there’s no illusions and thus no chance for betrayal.
Also, it’s just smart politics to be cordial, especially when you’re on C-SPAN.
BadgerHawk on December 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Dirty filthy liars aren’t great guys.
thomasaur on December 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM
touche
El_Terrible on December 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM
homasaur on December 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Exactly, but that was a strategic mistake, thank goodness. If he had incrementally gone after health care, he could have moved us to the left several points and so made public option a reality in time.
He still might pull it off here, but by pulling so hard to the left, he has mobilized the masses, or better stated “made the natives restless”. Now we are sensitized and becoming mobilized.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM
And that was my point when I said Coburn was acting classy. Why get down in the mud like the idiots on the left with the crazy name calling?
Two things my momma always taught me….
“Kill em with kindness”
and
“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”
and that’s what it sounds like Coburn is doing.
Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM
The Strange Case of Professor Obama and Mr Hussein is a real life drama playing out in the aftermath of the Presidential election of 2008. It is about the dilemma of the American citizen who sees strange dissonances between the new found Messiah, Professor Obama, and the ever more emerging misanthropic, pyromaniac Mr. Hussein. It is a vivid portrayal of a split personality, split in the sense that within the same person there is both an apparently good and an ever more emerging evil personality each being quite distinct from the other. In mainstream culture the very phrase “Obama and Hussien” will come to mean a person who’s words are vastly different in moral character from his actions.
After drinking a potion of his own, Saul Alinsky’s and Jeremiah Wright’s creation, Barry is transformed into the cruel, remorseless, evil Herr Hussein, representing the hidden side of Obama’s dual nature brought to the fore. Barry has many friends and has a pleasing personality, but as Herr Hussein he becomes more and more dictatorial, encourages violence and becomes ever more fascist like as time goes by as Herr Hussein grows in dominance. After taking this potion repetitively, he no longer needs to rely upon it to unleash his inner fascist demons.
Sigmund on December 18, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Common Sense.
Connie on December 18, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Well said.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Head games.
Skandia Recluse on December 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM
…and another thing my momma taught me
You catch more flies with honey than with salt.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM
I swear I’ve read this somewhere before….
+1000
Kini on December 18, 2009 at 10:50 PM
What exactly would Obama have to do before Coburn would lose his fondness for him?
Buddahpundit on December 18, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Colburn voted for the TARP, enough said.
milemarker2020 on December 18, 2009 at 10:50 PM
My mom told me the same thing, I asked her why the hell would I want flies?
thomasaur on December 18, 2009 at 10:53 PM
ok, that makes me have doubts about him. sigh….
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 10:54 PM
oh thomasaur, you get the point you just dont want to acknowledge it.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Curiouser and curiouser.
I wonder if something has been changed in the night? Let me think. Was it the same when I got up this morning? I almost think I can remember it being a little different. But if it’s not the same, the next question is ‘What in the world is it?’ Ah, that’s the great puzzle!
Cheshire Cat on December 18, 2009 at 10:55 PM
I get the point I’m just givin’ ya the bidniss.
thomasaur on December 18, 2009 at 10:56 PM
…and another thing my momma taught me
You catch more flies with honey than with salt.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM
=========================================
My mom told me the same thing, I asked her why the hell would I want flies?
thomasaur on December 18, 2009 at 10:53 PM
———————————————-
========================================================
thomasaur: Riddle me this,then what was attracted the flies
catlady: to the White House,in the infamous,Obama`s murder
spree of snuffing out said flies!!(I kid tho):)
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 10:58 PM
What the hell kind of conservative is that?! Coburn sounded foolish in that first clip. Ugh.
Jim DeMint for GOP senate leader.
All these men, except DeMint are pathetic.
cubachi on December 18, 2009 at 10:59 PM
thomasaur on December 18, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Besides, all congressmen are flies in my estimation, feeding on the rotting carcasses of bloated spending bills. By that is just my jaded, cynical opinion of politicians.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 10:59 PM
I know I was one of those from California that called to thank him. Nice to know some of my fellow Californians did the same.
yogi41 on December 18, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Curiouser and curiouser.
I wonder if something has been changed in the night? Let me think. Was it the same when I got up this morning? I almost think I can remember it being a little different. But if it’s not the same, the next question is ‘What in the world is it?’ Ah, that’s the great puzzle!
Cheshire Cat on December 18, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Cheshire Cat: I as well,am inexplicable perplexed!!!:)
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Come back to this thread tomorrow, after the booze has worn off, and see how ridiculous that statement is.
BadgerHawk on December 18, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Wait a tic,I`ve got it,the Left have run out of KOOL-AID!!
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Good point. Congress has acted emotionally and not with common sense.
Something that’s no longer in vogue.
Kini on December 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM
yogi41 on December 18, 2009 at 11:00 PM
I think I know the answer but I will ask the obvious question anyway. Why did the democrats thank him for initiating the amendment to be read out loud? There is a nuance here I have missed, or I am really tired and it went over my head.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM
The first vid made me want to vomit, so I’m ignoring the second.
Osama Obama is the greatest danger our nation has faced since WWII. I don’t care if he’s nice to his buddies — his goal is to destroy America.
If Coburn wants to drink the Chicago Jesus’s Kool-Ade, that’s his business. I don’t like it, and will continue to oppose anyone who buys even the smallest part of the Traitor-in-Chief’s BS.
MrScribbler on December 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM
And Jello.
There’s always room for Jello.
Kini on December 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Coburn is a great guy – remember, Obama equated him to an abortion clinic bomber when Stephanaupoulous asked him about his ties to Bill Ayers ?
He could have very easily been offended by that – but it seems like he still has a good relationship with Obama.
It also takes guts for him to say that his relationship with Bush was not great – but it’s a joke that he did not allow for Obama’s big spending to come in the way of his relationship with him. but it did for Bush ??
May be he holds Republicans to a higher standard – and i for one agree with him – i dont expect a Democrat Prez to be nothing more than an idealogue like Obama
nagee76 on December 18, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Look, Coburn is a good guy…but that first clip praising Obama over Bush was just silly and disturbing…he sounds like a typical ‘collegiate’ Republican…it’s that strange disease that afflicts almost all GOP senators when they get to DC…I just can’t explain it. These are the first symptoms, but, in the end, they wind up as RINOs. Coburn is clearly not that far gone yet…but the fact that he thinks so much of Obama is a problem in the long term.
AUINSC on December 18, 2009 at 11:04 PM
And this old gal called him at his D.C. office and I’m in Illinois.
Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 11:04 PM
It would be so nice if something made sense for a change.
Cheshire Cat on December 18, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Somehow,this reminds me of Coburns description of Obama!
I present,Hanover Fiste,from HeavyMetal!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqTLolHFSCc&feature=related
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Coburn is a white guy from OK and if Bury was a white guy from Illinois I would be willing to bet that his public stance on Obama would be somewhat different.
thomasaur on December 18, 2009 at 11:07 PM
That’s the thing though, isn’t it? It wasn’t a mistake, it was intentional. Rules for Radicals and Cloward/Pivon have nothing to do with middle gorund. They’re about creating and using crises to destroy the American way in order to replace it with Marxism.
Obama has no interest in “middle ground”.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM
The Senate is a club for abunch of drinking buddies.
I don’t care how entertaining some chucker Democrat liberal Senator might be at dinner parties… these people are some of the most dangerous people in the history of the Republic.
I realize you can’t say that… but good golly, you don’t have to “admire” them
muchat all!mankai on December 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM
I mean I understand why I was thankful for the amendment being read, but why the democrats?
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Cheshire Cat: I as well,am inexplicable perplexed!!!:)
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:00 PM
——————————————–
It would be so nice if something made sense for a change.
Cheshire Cat on December 18, 2009 at 11:05 PM
———————————————–
Cheshire Cat: Maybe were passing through a Bermuda Triangle
in space!!hehe:)
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Watch the second one. It may change your mind.
onlineanalyst on December 18, 2009 at 11:12 PM
You make a very good point. Barry doesn’t want his hands in the “making” of anything only in the adulation. No work, but all the glory. It’s amazing to me he has children. Talk about getting down and dirty in the trenches.
milwife88 on December 18, 2009 at 11:12 PM
I get that, but if he was so critical of Bush for deficits and government growth to the point that it affected the relationship… he ought to be screaming out the windows with his criticism of Obama… and I don’t think the relationship would remain warm.
I just think he’s scared of the “r” word. How else do we explain the vitriol spewed at Bush and the relative silence in the case of Obama (the far worse offender).
mankai on December 18, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Save your breath on the speeches…
Just ‘Object” to ‘Unanimous Concent” when every single bill comes for consideration and have the bill read.
Do your job, do what you are being paid to do.
Read the fuc%ing bills !!!
Seven Percent Solution on December 18, 2009 at 11:14 PM
FloatingRock on December 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM
I agree that is their MO, but it was a strategic mistake, because it is pushing too far too fast. Now people are wary of the health care bill and the method used to get it passed is really making people nervous.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 11:15 PM
And if the scorpion hadn’t stung the fox, they wouldn’t both have drowned.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Wait a tic,I`ve got it,the Left have run out of KOOL-AID!!
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:01 PM
—————————————–
And Jello.
There’s always room for Jello.
Kini on December 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM
—————————————
Kini: Tasty Jello!!!
How about a nice Hawiian Jello Punch!!hehe:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86IpU3g-S8Q
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Coburn does say that his politics is 180 degrees different from Obama’s in the clip.
onlineanalyst on December 18, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Did everyone watch the second clip?
Weight of Glory on December 18, 2009 at 11:19 PM
FloatingRock on December 18, 2009 at 11:16 PM
what????
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Again, I think it has to do with Bush and Coburn both being ‘on the same team’. Coburn never expected a Republican to spend in such an out of control fashion, and Bush never expected another Republican to rip him to shreds over it. The end of their relationship had more to do with Bush terminating it than anything else. Once you develop that dynamic it’s difficult to recover.
Your point’s still valid, but I think it’s a bit silly for people to rip Coburn for this one statement. He’s one of the good guys, a true blue defender of individual freedom who puts principles ahead of politics.
BadgerHawk on December 18, 2009 at 11:20 PM
ok, obama is a nice guy. but Coburn is way smarter, and i daresay, more presidential
r keller on December 18, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Weight of Glory on December 18, 2009 at 11:19 PM
I did, but it is evident that not everyone else commenting here has.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Doesn’t sound like it. They listened to the first one, heard Coburn act like a gentleman and say something nice about Barry, and decided to throw Coburn under the bus.
Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 11:24 PM
BJ Penn is the Big Island fighter.
Now that’s a Hawaiian Punch
Kini on December 18, 2009 at 11:24 PM
That’s not what he said at all. He’s just as critical of Obama for his spending and growth. He also knows Obama personally as part of his entering Senate “class”. All the freshperson Senators take classes together about Senatorial etiquette and I have no doubt that many cross-aisle friendships result from that.
I also have no doubt that Obama is a nice, friendly guy one-on-one — you don’t get far in politics by failing to be that way. We see him in front of the crowd, talking to his base, and we abhor it, because we abhor what he is doing to America.
Coburn, like all the accomplished politicians across the nation at every level, manages to separate his political stance from his personal interactions. I admire him for that.
unclesmrgol on December 18, 2009 at 11:25 PM
I agree that is their MO, but it was a strategic mistake, because it is pushing too far too fast.
catlady on December 18, 2009 at 11:15 PM
catlady:
I really,believe that after Obama was elected,the Liberals
as always,thought they were in power forever,however,Leftys
are smug,the incident with Barney Frank,not allowing more
time on the floor,Pelosi`s errogance,Frankens,I`m in charge
attitude,refusal to work with Republicans,because they had
total power,and now,they were really close,as they thought
in passing this HealthCare,and with Obama`s Presidentcy on
the verge of collaspe,
the Lefty figer pointing and scapegoating begins!!
Soon,Liberals are going to have their own,
NIGHT OF THE LONG KNIVES coming soon!!!!(sarc).
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:25 PM
I agree that it was a strategic mistake, but it wasn’t an ideological one. That was his goal, he is on the far left. He didn’t choose the middle ground because it doesn’t suit him.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2009 at 11:27 PM
The old Easop fable about the fox and the scorpion that MB4 quotes from time to time.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2009 at 11:29 PM
It was much pleasanter before when everything was what it seemed to be and one wasn’t being ordered about by little lice and rabid rats.
Cheshire Cat on December 18, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Actually Coburn is the perfect GOPer to get this out there because he doesn’t across as a mean old fuddy-duddy.
However Coburn is like all the other politicians up there…..and the worst disclaimer of all?
He helped to rescue McCain in the Florida Primary (along with The Orange Governor Charlie Christ).
The best thing the GOP could do is just say NO……….and let the Dems feast on each others’ flesh.
PappyD61 on December 18, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Much ado about nothing.
Coburn’s a Southern Baptist, pro-life obstetrician from Oklahoma.
I think one could extrapolate from his remarks in the first video that he just doesn’t want to go on the record, on television, personally deriding Obama. It’s bad manners. Who knows what he really thinks in private.
He’s my senator and to show how polite he is, he will personally return an email and apologize that it took so long to reply. Not a form letter – all written pertaining to your concerns.
The second video was spot on.
tru2tx on December 18, 2009 at 11:31 PM
My question is: Why hasn’t his criticisms of Obama’s mega-spending big government, bankrupt the country, policies not affected his personal relationship with Obama like it did with Bush? Something is not right here. Was he just trying to make himself look like a big shot who has the president’s ear or did he just feel the need to say something nice about Obama to appear bipartisan or is it some other reason?
Dollayo on December 18, 2009 at 11:32 PM
BJ Penn is the Big Island fighter.
Now that’s a Hawaiian Punch
Kini on December 18, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Kini: No kidding,hes a brute.Has Warming Global
dumped any snow yet,I kid,hehe!:)
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:34 PM
GREAT SECOND VIDEO………….MORE SENSE THAN ANY OF THE GOP HAS MADE SO FAR.
GOP………STEELE?
Run this as a Commercial.
PappyD61 on December 18, 2009 at 11:34 PM
1. ObaMao is not a nice guy. He is full of hatred and vindictiveness.
2. When, exactly, did politics become an exercise in civility. This aspect of the Senate is killing us, literally.
3. I absolutely get sick to my stomach when I hear one of the Senator’s refer to someone they know to be a vile and disgusting piece of garbage as ‘My friend on the other side of the aisle’. If they are your ‘friend’, you need to have your head examined.
Sporty1946 on December 18, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Doesn’t sound like it. They listened to the first one, heard Coburn act like a gentleman and say something nice about Barry, and decided to throw Coburn under the bus.
Knucklehead on December 18, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Knucklehead: As I was watching the second video,I was think
ing of all the nice things Cobourn said,and I
was thinking,all along that at the end,he was
going to say yes,so,after all the no`s,I was
relieved!
Maybe Cobourn,is just Crazy like a Fox!!:)
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Did ya’ll see the story on Michelle’s site with the photo of the tea partiers?
My new bumper sticker – I’m not a member of the party of NO – I am a member of the party of HELL NO!
Sporty1946 on December 18, 2009 at 11:43 PM
When, exactly, did politics become an exercise in civility.
Sporty1946 on December 18, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Sporty1946:SHHHHHHHHHHHHH,its a blood sport,pass it on!!!:)
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Coburn is my senator and I don’t understand his relationship to Obama at all, but he is a true conservative and one of only a handful of fighters (along with my other senator, Inhofe)that we have. He said before that he is a good friend of Obama, and I don’t get it. Can he not see what a destructive force he is against our country?
silvernana on December 18, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Oklahoma has probably the two best in the senate. They stand on their principles. I don’t know whether Coburn is posturing on Obama, but he stands up in the senate and votes against pork barrel (and other budget-busting) spending and, as he says, he is very conservative. I really don’t give a damn what his “personal” opinion of Obama is. He does the right thing in the senate.
chris999 on December 18, 2009 at 11:44 PM
It turns out it’s The Scorpion and the Frog, not a fox.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Good assessment.
Send_Me on December 18, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Just for you, I watched the second clip.
Better, yes, but not good enough. The Party Boys of congress need to learn that we will be the ultimate victims of their “friendliness” and “mutual respect” and all that John McCain-style crap that has infected our “elected servants” for too many years.
Coburn is a doctor, and should understand that you can’t sweet-talk a tumor; it has to be cut out.
Osama Obama is a tumor, one that will kill the nation if allowed to have his way.
I want our representatives to call it the way it is: I want them to fight the totalitarian hordes, not sip tea and make nice with them.
This is not a time when all that buddy-buddy crap will work. This is a time of war, and I will support those who are honest about defeating the enemy, not the surrender monkeys who invite the enemy to have punch and cookies and “talk it over.”
MrScribbler on December 18, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Only for one side. Our side tries WAY too hard keep it friendly and treat the Dems as though they are honorable opponents. They are anything but.
Sporty1946 on December 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Seven Percent Solution on December 18, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Just go look at Coburn’s record and I think you’ll stop complaining about him. McCain was bad on (1) taxes (2)anwr (3) global warming (4) energy. Opposite for Coburn. Plus he has led fights (yes, during Bush’s presidency he had the nickname “senator No”) on spending.
One of the few consistent good guys in the senate – NOT like McCain.
chris999 on December 18, 2009 at 11:53 PM
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