Blue on blue: Democrat and MSNBC host scream at each other over ObamaCare
posted at 8:39 pm on December 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
Not only is this blue on blue, it’s demagogue on demagogue. Ratigan once claimed that Republicans are willing to see half the country die if it means stopping The One’s pet project, while Wasserman-Schultz likes to adorn her accusations about conservative sexism with lovely little allusions to domestic violence.
I admit it: I have no reference point for what we’re seeing on the left right now. Granted, the base opposed the Iraq war while congressional Democrats supported it, but that was before the nutroots came into their own and before the Dems took back Congress and the White House. This is the first time since … the last run at health care, I guess, where they’ve had no one but themselves to blame for failure. Enjoy it.
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Isn’t it nice to see it when liberalism just caves in on itself?
pilamaye on December 18, 2009 at 8:43 PM
The boss does…
Seven Percent Solution on December 18, 2009 at 8:43 PM
I find this historic and unprecedented.
pjf626 on December 18, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Couldn’t get a better name than that – Rat-again.
Lanceman on December 18, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Wasn’t this guy used to be on CNBC? Somehow I thought he was a free market conservative. My bad.
promachus on December 18, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Doesn’t monopoly mean there is just one supplier? How can there be a whole list of providers in a monopoly?
pedestrian on December 18, 2009 at 8:47 PM
I’d like to give kudos to AP’s posts this evening.
My last evening’s snark about his posts was probably excessive as I had eaten a bad burrito.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on December 18, 2009 at 8:48 PM
What do we want?
Free Stuff!
When do we want it?
Now!
daesleeper on December 18, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Damn, that was fun! It’s just as good on the third viewing as the first. I hope MSNBC keeps up the good work.
mchristian on December 18, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Wow, it just keeps getting better. The libs are eating their own.
farright on December 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Mr. MSNBC — Monopoly? I do not think that word means what you think it means.
LASue on December 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Newsbusters JUST posted a doozy of Ed Shultz and the Kos brat beating up on Tingles Matthews.
Marcus on December 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Dylan screamed, Debbie beamed.
Buy Danish on December 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Handy tip to MSNBC interviewees:
The reason insurance stock prices are up is because socialized medicine is dead for a generation.
pedestrian on December 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Rush was all over this today….
Love it!
teehee
cmsinaz on December 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Two free speech advocates shouting each other down.
How perfect is that?
swami on December 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Let’s hope this version of civil war is as far as it goes.
Dark-Star on December 18, 2009 at 8:54 PM
White on white. Damn tea partiers.
LibTired on December 18, 2009 at 8:54 PM
“I am not a stock analyst” -Wasserman Schultz
Debbie, you’re not a lot of things, sweetie.
SouthernGent on December 18, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Between this & ‘The One’s’ failure to part the seas in Copenhagen… I most certainly am.
clancy_wiggum on December 18, 2009 at 8:57 PM
This Dylan guy was quite rude, but MSNBC has canned his show now, haven’t they. (He’s being replaced by the “political director” guy from MSNBC with the goatee. Their “diversity” – a goatee.)
Marcus on December 18, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Childless, eh?
Stephen M on December 18, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Lol. I want to see Ratigan and O’Donnell interview each other.
BadgerHawk on December 18, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Now they’re fighting over deckchairs on titanic..
the_nile on December 18, 2009 at 9:00 PM
WTF? The mandates have been in all these bills for months. I’ve objected to them all along — it’s outrageous for the federal government to require the purchase of a product — but the left is just waking up to this now? They’d have a lot stronger for basis for sanctimony if they’d been fighting this provision for the past year.
Chuckles3 on December 18, 2009 at 9:00 PM
I used to believe the same thing, felt badly when I heard he was squeezed out at CNBC… Not sure if he just caved into the MSNBC frame of mind or is showing his true colors.
WhoU4 on December 18, 2009 at 9:00 PM
You know what’s funny?
Beck is supposedly some fringe a-hole, but he can interview a straight up leader of the socialist party and not be 1/10th this rude.
BadgerHawk on December 18, 2009 at 9:01 PM
just wonder which idiot republican will now step forward and violate rule#1 “when your opponent commits suicide, don’t interfere”
mooseburger on December 18, 2009 at 9:02 PM
He used to host ‘Fast Money’. I stopped watching CNBC back around April when they literally stopped giving stock advice and started trying to prop up President Obama, but even before that Ratigan constantly talked about ‘fairness’.
BadgerHawk on December 18, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Here’s Beck interviewing a Communist Party Leader. Civil, informative, and hilarious.
BadgerHawk on December 18, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.
Terrye on December 18, 2009 at 9:07 PM
I predicted that Liberals would turn,civil war baby,
Insurrection,and Backlash,and has Obama paid anyones
mortgage or car payment yet!(sarc).
Heres the infamous ObamaVoterBot clip,and it would be nice
to see an update from this women,as to how she nows feels
about being betrayed!!
————————
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Stalinist vs. Trotskyite.
Godzilla vs. Mothra.
Either way, butter the popcorn.
AUINSC on December 18, 2009 at 9:09 PM
This reminds me of that Simpsons where the town destroys Springfield looking for hidden treasure that didnt exist.
Chuck Schick on December 18, 2009 at 9:09 PM
O/T: combine this with the Predator hacking,and you gotta wonder…Are there people in power who dont want us to win? http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/ArticlePrint.aspx?id=515712
theTarCzar on December 18, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Wasserman-Schultz has got to be the most dangerous politician on the planet. She is a pit bull that fights for the entirely wrong issue. She’s more partisan than Pelosi. And her understanding of the role of government is severely misplaced.
I don’t trust her knowledge on any major issue. She knows she doesn’t need to know facts or solutions, just hype to make her seem like she’s doing something good.
She really is awful. She’s Pelosi’s right hand woman.
ThackerAgency on December 18, 2009 at 9:12 PM
I love the circus.
madmonkphotog on December 18, 2009 at 9:12 PM
scary indeed
cmsinaz on December 18, 2009 at 9:13 PM
between these two jabbing and my 6 year old daughter talking, I was about to lose it.
la.rt.wngr on December 18, 2009 at 9:13 PM
GO NUTS!!!
I see a slow chain reaction of a nuclear trigger,
as the atoms are beginning to smash,and me thinks
Liberals are starting to see the Light,and the
only problem is,I think there gonna get burnt,
by their very own hands!!(snark).
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 9:15 PM
One only needs to watch MSNBC to see how much Obamacare is tearing up the Left. Watch this clip, for example – Chris Matthews vs. The Netroots
DarkKnight3565 on December 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Hint: Haight-ashbury, Timothy Leary, Arlo Guthrie, Abby Hoffman
Rovin on December 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM
LOL! It is a beautiful thing to behold the “reality based” community destroy itself.
I especially liked Ratigan accusing that wretched leftist witch Wasserman of using “Republican talking points”, AWESOME!
Pretty soon they’ll be calling each other neocons and we’ll have reached schadenfreude nirvana. LOL!
elduende on December 18, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Popcorn, please pass the popcorn, with butter…
blue1 on December 18, 2009 at 9:17 PM
DarkKnight3565 on December 18, 2009 at 9:17 PM
http://tinyurl.com/yl8hbj5
Guess I suck at doing the post link thing. This is gonna be the best I can do.
DarkKnight3565 on December 18, 2009 at 9:18 PM
I love the insurance stocks rising as proof the current bill is a hand out to the insurance industry.
I think to be a liberal you have to be completely devoid of critical thought.
jhffmn on December 18, 2009 at 9:19 PM
“You could be your own guest.”
lol
Fish on December 18, 2009 at 9:20 PM
AP—-Thanks for posting this clip
Dollayo on December 18, 2009 at 9:20 PM
AARP uses United Health Group.
Connie on December 18, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Meanwhile,
FU BO The Clown is trying to stay out of the fray,
high atop,the HealthCare high wire act,hope`n to make
it across,politically intact!!
So,Obama can`t bring the troops home and end the war
and HealthCare is in the Event Horizon,so,me thinks
his second term isn`t assured or within reach!!!
The Fence Post Turtle is in a Pickle,how juicey!!!
(Snark).
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 9:23 PM
AP: no reference point?
Don’t you remember Chicago, ’68?
The Left is starting to eat its own, again.
Captain Kirock on December 18, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Democrat and MSNBC host scream at each other over ObamaCare
Dylan screamed, Debbie beamed.
Buy Danish on December 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Buy Danish: Me likey,hehe,Screamed/Beamed!!:)
Seems to be a whole lotta scream`n goin on,
not a nuff constructive debate`n goin
around!!:)
canopfor on December 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Smart Power : )
Itchee Dryback on December 18, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Check the adam’s apple… that’s no woman.
BPD on December 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM
I’M RUNNING OUT OF POPCORN!
GarandFan on December 18, 2009 at 9:33 PM
That was awesome!!!!
Two people trying to make hay with each others lies.
LOL
NeoKong on December 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM
that’s one sweet vid. the guy had debbie and wasn’t letting go. he’s right of course, governemnet run utilities (at least over the short term) can be decent stock plays.
of ocurse, she couldn’t bring herself to do a Maxine Waters trick….in the end, we’ll be owning those “companies” so chill Dylan
r keller on December 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Wow, these two deserve each other. If I ever become like either of them, tranquilize me.
Nice liberals!
Schadenfreude on December 18, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Extremely well-played, sir.
:)
Bob's Kid on December 18, 2009 at 9:42 PM
S-weet!
JustTruth101 on December 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Wooooooow.
Never seen anything like that before.
Show it to me again….delicious, eh?!
Muskoka-Eh on December 18, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Do you smell that? It smells…..like victory. Perhaps there is a chance to survive 0bama after all.
Blarg the Destroyer on December 18, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Wow!
I wonder why their ratings are so low?
DSchoen on December 18, 2009 at 9:54 PM
With pleasure.
This is wonderful. The libs have finally looked each other in the eye and realized just how disgusting they each are.
Cleanup in aisle 3! Liberal angst spilling in aisle 3!
BacaDog on December 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM
solid B+
stenwin77 on December 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Reading the comments….I’m slitting my sides…ha ha ha
You comment-aries are much better than the sitcom writers.
Good on you commie-Ones! Solid A-plus.
Muskoka-Eh on December 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM
It has been apparent from the beginning that the “progressives” push for “health care” reform has been a full-throated, focus group attack on the insurance industry. Ratigan is upset that health insurers’ stock is rising, as if that outcome is bad.
The Lefties want a mandated single-payer system that will put private insurers out of business.
Ratigan comes off like a real jerk. I’m sure that the impression is not a one-off.
onlineanalyst on December 18, 2009 at 9:58 PM
I thought it was below elites to sink to this type of discourse. I thought “intellectualism” meant you could make your points in a genteel manner.
Guess not. Either they are not very intellecutal or genteel, or perhaps both.
manateespirit on December 18, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Dude, possibly the first time I’ve ever seen anyone angry that stocks were going up.
thebrokenrattle on December 18, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Blue on blue? Sh/t on Sh/t is more like it.
Ratigan’s ratings are nose diving faster than Dem congress people and the poor putz is in a panic.
RobCon on December 18, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Say, maybe Obama is a plant and is pulling a great big Alinsky on the Democrat Party.
Afterall, the Democrats have been the true party of racism and have kept blacks in servitude on the Dem plantation.
The chickens……………are comin’ home to roost.
justltl on December 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM
That guy is Captain Obnoxious.
carbon_footprint on December 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM
The key phrase was uttered by Mr. Rattigan, “Go nuts.”
jack herman on December 18, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Ah, the honor and privilege of living in Florida 20.
And you have to be intelligent to be dangerous, Thacker.
T.D.D. on December 18, 2009 at 10:35 PM
The focus on insurance company profits is, as usual, a red herring. Consider these numbers:
300M Americans
150M under company self insured plans (insurance companies just handle the claims
50M under Medicaid (govt sets rates)
40M under Medicare (govt sets rates)
This leaves roughly 60M Americans subject to the predations of the eeeeevvvvvilll insurance companies, the majority of which are too broke to afford INSURANCE but receive HEALTH
CARE at the various emergency rooms, clinics, free drug programs, etc.
In other words, we are “reforming” healthcare for 60M Americans vs the 240M who are in OK shape under the current system. The short term effect of this reform will be doc shortages (due to stoked up demand from the 30M newly insured) and higher private market premiums (due to the weak individual mandate and the new restrictions around the rates charged to the sick vs the healthy).
In short, it will make things better for 30M but worse for the other 270M. See the example of Massachussetts.
johnboy on December 18, 2009 at 10:35 PM
That’s what it is! I can’t stand that term by the way, it seems everything under the sun must be named smart ______ (fill in the blank). And it means zero. Like this current administration has shown. Smart Power my arse!
4shoes on December 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Are they both fighting to have the last word? Geez . . .
Ingenue on December 18, 2009 at 10:49 PM
There are two links on HA now – one from Instapunk which cautions against conservative glee over all this supposed libtard infighting … they have already WON by mandating health care – there is no small victory – think about it. The Left has once again succeeded in using illegal and unconstitutional Government backed co-ercion to dictate to you how you must live your life.
The other link is to that of Paul Krugman’s NYT op-ed – he KNOWS that no matter what is passed, this is a game changer in government control of the health insurance industry.
Krugman knows that in order to repeal this MONSTROSITY, the GOP has to win both the House as well as a 60 seat majority in the Senate in 2010 – now, that is simply not going to happen.
This also explains why strategically thinking Democrats are not overly worried about losing the 2010 midterms – that would just be a short term loss – but the control that they get over the health insurance industry in the long term, with the ultimate goal to crowd it out and bring single payer is simply too big to be wasted because of one stupid election cycle.
Remember we are all assuming that the public will get angry about this and vote the Dems out – iam not to sure of that. But even if that happens the Democrat party would have already paved the way to single payer.
America is sooooo screwed.
nagee76 on December 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Dateline 2012. All Democrats, including Obama, have been voted out of office. The media is disgraced, their subterfuge fully revealed to the nation.
Obama addresses the nation a last time from the Oval Office.
He conspicuously unplugs TOTUS.
“My fellow Americans. Today, the nation has been restored to sanity. The enemy within that has been liberalism in general and the Democrat Party in particular, has been vanquished.
This has been a difficult and dangerous four years for you, the American people.
For decades, Leftism has been stealthily, yet steadily, reversing the intentions of the Founding Fathers and eroding the values of the American people. To reverse this decay, a radical and unconventional war on the left was necessary. To that end, my goal for the last four years has been to reveal the left for the malignancy that it is, and to vividly demonstrate to you, my fellow citizens, the hazards and destructiveness of following its crooked path. Michelle and I prayed nightly that our charade, our part in this war, would accomplish its end. I thank her for her support and brave loyalty to our cause. I thank those other selfless Americans who fought this fight, despite grave dangers to themselves. Today, our hopes and prayers have been answered.
As time goes by, more details will be revealed, and the true heroes of our battle will be given their due. Today’s victors have much work to do to completely restore this nation to greatness.
But for now, let us all celebrate and rejoice in our victory. But let us, from this day forward, remain ever vigilent for that which seeks to darken the bright light that is America. God bless you all. And God bless America.”
“God bless, America,” adds Michelle. They hug, wave to the viewers. Fade to black.
justltl on December 18, 2009 at 11:08 PM
When we can repeal FDR’s crap then we’ll talk other than that we have become a banana republic. Thanks Barrack.
Mojave Mark on December 18, 2009 at 11:08 PM
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWEEET!!!!!!
Hey, you Lying Liberals…….EAT FREAKING EACH OTHER!!!!
Leave no Liberals!!!
PappyD61 on December 18, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Oh dear Lord, the actual bottom/beginning of the rise in the Wellpoint stock was on October 27. In the last two years the stock has fallen from over $89 to the current $59 range.
October 28 most believed the public option was alive — the House passed their version November 7. The increase in price was a slow one over 2 months.
Remember the discussions of how these bills would put the insurers out of business?
There is no relationship between the current increase in price and the bills under consideration — there is a relationship toward the recession and possibly one toward health care overhall in general, but not the one this idiot is making.
LifeTrek on December 18, 2009 at 11:15 PM
The alternate story has a different plot and ending, which I call “Mussolini Redux.”
justltl on December 18, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Can someone explain how while he is showing just 4 insurance companies, he can claim that insurance companies have a monopoly on the insurance market?
Seriously. Are these people that stupid?
That’s like showing Target, Wal-Mart, Kmart, Sears, Macy’s and saying they have a monopoly on the retail market!
I know, we need to break up the monopoly that the automaker’s have on the automaker market. Wait, we did that already……
bds1976 on December 18, 2009 at 11:36 PM
I’m not a stock analyst…I’m a man-thing with a hyphenated last name that somehow got elected to congress…
and that’s all you need to know mister….I’m a Democrat…that means I’m smarter, better, and have nicer hair than you do…
BigWyo on December 18, 2009 at 11:50 PM
The IQ level of both CNBC and MSNBC went up when he left CNBC.
faraway on December 18, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Health insurers have been taking an arse kicking for a while now. I guess in Ratigan’s world, they are not allowed to go up at any point in time. Ever. Not ever over a one week or one month period.
The fact that the market thinks this bill is not as bad for insurers as was anticipated for the past year, doesn’t mean it is good for them. Everything is relative. And it really gives you an insight as to what the far left is after here. They want to destroy the private market and fill the void with our tax dollars. Nothing less is acceptable to the fringe.
stldave on December 19, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Good grief. I guess civil conversations/interviews have gone to the wayside. I mean, she is a member of Congress. That should warrant at least a little respect, if not for her at least for the office she holds.
Send_Me on December 19, 2009 at 12:13 AM
As much as we might enjoy this, let us always remember that the Nutroots are an extremely destructive and dangerous force. Their America is founded on a cloud-cuckoo-land in which civilization is mankind’s natural state and the only things that endanger it are the hard work and courage that actually create and protect it. They would plunge us all into poverty, misery, and slavery for the sake of their delusions while elevating those people and systems most destructive of humanity AND the earth.
njcommuter on December 19, 2009 at 12:13 AM
4th party?
Ronnie on December 19, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Usually, you finish one of those with a /s…
Or were you serious??
BigWyo on December 19, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Am I misunderstanding the definition of “monopoly”? Plus, that girl is cute.
WaltzingMtilda on December 19, 2009 at 1:09 AM
This is not civil war, I wrote on it…it is more like the Donner party.
Trapped, the Donner party begin eating their own…first their was dissension, then they when things begin to unravel and they were running out of food, the feasted on each other…
The democratic party, is becoming the Donner party…
right2bright on December 19, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Ratigan is just a whore who will say anything his masters tell him. He was no leftist on CNBC. He’s certainly changed his tune.
chris999 on December 19, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Hmm… mebbe when he got canned at CNBC, he got raging drunk, fell and cracked his head open, suffered extensive brain damage, and viola!
John the Libertarian on December 19, 2009 at 1:49 AM
That whole clip was just pathetic.
Liberals have zero leadership abilities and no real solutions for real world problems.
This civil war going on in the democratic party (which for some reason is not getting the front page press analysis that the faux Republican civil war got just months ago) is nothing new for liberals.
They will sell out and say anything to anybody to just get their vote.
But when it comes time for payback on all those promises, you have a bunch of interest groups and activists fighting like dogs because most of those promises had no chance of coming to fruition in the first place.
This is only going to get worse for democrats.
These idiots spent the last year talking about how much smarter they were than anybody else,all the great changes they were going to make,and pretty much can’t get anything done except wasting our tax dollars on “pay to play” while sitting with filibuster proof majorities on the Hill.
Yea the “adults” will probably get something passed but it will result in nothing but disappointment and anger coming from the electorate who overwhelmingly hate this bill.
Then they will try and tackle Cap and Trade,another very unpopular move with the electorate,which will create an economic bloodbath that will increase energy costs and kill millions of jobs.
At the same time they will be trying to close down Gitmo,another very unpopular move with the electorate,by shipping terrorist to Chicago and back to their home base so they can continue to kill in the name of Allah.
At the same time they will be trying terrorist war criminals in a NY civilian court, another very unpopular move with the electorate,thus giving them a major platform to spew their hate to the world and turn it all into one big jihadist circus.
Then they will be pushing for amnesty of over 30 million illegals in this country while unemployment is going through the roof.
liberals are truly stuck on stupid!!
Baxter Greene on December 19, 2009 at 2:02 AM
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