Nebraska governor to Ben Nelson: Kill the bill

posted at 10:12 am on December 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

No pressure, as Brian Faughnan points out; it’s not like Nebraskans hate ObamaCare or anything.  (Oh, wait, yes they do.)  Governor Dave Heineman called the bill “bad news for Nebraskans” and urged Nelson to block a vote on it:

The governor said Wednesday that a new analysis by Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services indicates that while state spending on Medicaid, the health care system for the poor, would be less in the first three years after the bill took effect, Nebraska, after six years, would have $45 million in extra expenses.

“America’s health care system needs improvement, but this bill is not the answer,” Heineman said in a letter to Nelson. “You are now the 60th vote, and as Governor of the State that we both represent, I urge you to vote against this bill and against cloture.”

This just gives Nelson a little more incentive to stick to his guns on abortion.  In fact, Heineman may have intended this as a lifeline to Nelson to give him a handy excuse for remaining stubborn.  Besides, Nelson has more objections to the ObamaCare Rump bill than just the fact that it will use federal monies to fund abortions for the first time ever:

The Nebraska centrist on Wednesday outlined concerns with a disability insurance program the bill would create, cuts in Medicare payments to home health care providers and nursing homes, and unspecified tax increases. In addition, he expressed concerns that the bill would underpay some Medicare providers while not doing enough to contain long-term health care costs.

“Until those things are corrected, it’s not something I can vote for right now, and not something I can vote for cloture right now,” Nelson said on a conference call with reporters…

An aide to Nelson said that, taken individually, the several problems he has with the bill were not deal-breakers, but that together they were enough for Nelson to withhold his vote.

That list keeps getting longer, and nothing that has happened in the last few days has resolved any of those issues.  He’s also opposed to the CLASS Act, a portion of the bill addressing the needs of the disabled, as a new entitlement that will quickly drown in a sea of red ink.  Given that he wants compensation to providers increased and better savings at the same time, it will be difficult for Reid to accommodate him without hefty tax hikes that will not just kill the bill outright but also any slim hopes for Democrats in 2010.

Who’s the biggest winner if Nelson holds out?  Brian argues that it’s Blanche Lincoln, who desperately needs this bill to die in order to have any chance of winning her own election next year.  He may be right.  If Nelson successfully torpedoes the bill without Lincoln having to take any position on cloture — assuming Reid doesn’t call Nelson’s bluff and holds that cloture vote — then Lincoln will be free to spin herself as a fiscal conservative, despite waffling on ObamaCare.


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Pretty smart politickin’ all around, I’d say.

Scott P on December 17, 2009 at 10:15 AM

mmmm, mmmmm, mmmmm!

jeff_from_mpls on December 17, 2009 at 10:16 AM

I assume that before the 17th amendment, governors telling their state senators how to vote was common. Kill the bill and 17th amendment (just getting a little greedy).

WashJeff on December 17, 2009 at 10:16 AM

ObiBowOne,Ben Nelson was are only hope,it was like
I heard millions of ObamaVoterBots screaming into the
night!!!(snark).

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:16 AM

God Bless us Everyone!

Merry Christmas!

jeff_from_mpls on December 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Every governor should be telling their senators to kill this bill. Even Ahnuld knows it’s a fiscal disaster waiting to happen.

Doughboy on December 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Humpbot cameo is getting closer…

Track-A-'Crat on December 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Before the 17th Amendment was added, this is the way it was supposed to work – the senator serves the governor. The State needs its own interests pursued.

singlemalt_18 on December 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM

This week on “As the Senate Turns”…

Bishop on December 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM

A lot of governors, even those who notionally would support the bill, are getting cold feet because of the potential state budget implications.

So, wobbly Dems include:
–Nelson
–Sanders
–Burris

Robert_Paulson on December 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM

And to think,HealthCare was the cornerstone of
Obama’s political agenda and his Presidential
legacy!!

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Hopefully Mr. Nelson will use the cover he’s been provided and spike this disgusting socialist powergrab. He’s been told the people are against it and he has a responsibility to his constituents.

Otherwise we are back in the “no representation” situation once more.

dogsoldier on December 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Just reminds of Bugs Bunny cartoon where they parodied Wagner opera…. all I can hear is an Elmer Fudd voice, singing… “Kill the Bill”….

catlady on December 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Obama is Monty Hall and Nelson is the chunky woman in the lobster suit just waiting for Monty to sweeten the deal.

SKYFOX on December 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM

This week on “As the Senate Turns”…

Bishop on December 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Bishop: No sh*t!!!:)

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Nelson dismissed another Levin surge as “robocalls.” Let’s see if he dismisses the Nebraska governor the same way.

BottomLine5 on December 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Governor Dave is one of the good ones….

GO BIG RED!

;-)

rabidamerican on December 17, 2009 at 10:21 AM

What is McConnell doing to get Nelson’s vote? I bet nothing.

cubachi on December 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Kill The Bill

Imagine the size of the gun to kill this bill…this is the mother of all bills.
The largest bill ever to reach vote will take the largest effort to kill.
Exit questions: Does America have enough eggs to cover the faces of the people who supported this bill. Will crow be an endangered bird after this failure?

right2bright on December 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Actually, don’t kill it. Just schedule the vote for Nov 1, 2010. They can still pass it in the middle of the night like the cowards they are.

Whatever. I think the outcome is clear. It’s out of their hands now.

jeff_from_mpls on December 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM

I’m guessing on Christmas eve, Nelson will put one more second on the clock for the dems….

cntrlfrk on December 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Kill this bill and the radicals in the House will immediately take up Howard Dean’s reconciliation tactic with an even more obscene version.

Obama is a lame duck president, and that was obvious six months after inauguration when he turned everything over to Pelosi and Reid. The democrats can not govern this country, because they can not govern themselves.

Like teenagers overwhelmed by their desires, the democrat party is out of control, binge drinking from the US Treasury.

Skandia Recluse on December 17, 2009 at 10:23 AM

I still am doubtful… Harry is going to have Christmas eve vote and sneak this one by. Repubs haven’t got the balls to force a reading of the bill or use any other of the parliamentary tricks they can. They will say that “oh the Dems will use it on us, and we have to play nice in the sandbox”.

Come on Repubs grow some and get in there and fight for us!

catlady on December 17, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Thank God Gov Dave spoke out. I hung my Christmas Card from him on Monday. I was very pleased to see the Luke 2:11 verse.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

OmahaConservative on December 17, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Just reminds of Bugs Bunny cartoon where they parodied Wagner opera…. all I can hear is an Elmer Fudd voice, singing… “Kill the Bill”….

catlady on December 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM

catlady: At your service!!:)

Behold, Kill da Wabbit!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGhQ2BDt4VE&feature=related

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:25 AM

things be heatin up[

blatantblue on December 17, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Blanche already voted for cloture once to get on the bill. She’s toast no matter what happens now.

parteagirl on December 17, 2009 at 10:26 AM

I cannot believe that Senators don’t have pretty carved-in-stone Christmas plans… like airline or cruise reservations.

How the heck are they going to have 60 votes on CHRISTmas eve? How’s Sen Byrd feeling these days?

stenwin77 on December 17, 2009 at 10:26 AM

And to think,HealthCare was the cornerstone of
Obama’s political agenda and his Presidential
legacy!!

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Nah — that’s too specific. It was the non-specific “Hope & Change”, remember?

DOOF on December 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM

When the mission is fubared from the start, everyone starts planning their own survival.

bloviator on December 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Do it, Ben. Flatline this thing.

Red Cloud on December 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM

The Bill Is Lost…

Fletch54 on December 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Frankly, Senators really should be representing the governments of their states, rather than the people of them: that’s what Representatives are for.

Count to 10 on December 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Before the 17th Amendment was added, this is the way it was supposed to work – the senator serves the governor. The State needs its own interests pursued.

singlemalt_18 on December 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM

And that is exactly why we have the 17th amendment. Can’t have all those uppity States telling the Fed what to do, or in this case, not to do.

Johnnyreb on December 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM

And to think,HealthCare was the cornerstone of
Obama’s political agenda and his Presidential
legacy!!

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM
———————————————
Nah — that’s too specific. It was the non-specific “Hope & Change”, remember?

DOOF on December 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM

DOOF:Its becoming,Hopelessness/Changeless!!:)

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM

I hear a “Gang of Fourteen” warming up in the wings…

Haiku Guy on December 17, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Come on Repubs grow some and get in there and fight for us!

catlady on December 17, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Yeah, Repubs. Grow some fins :P

Lanceman on December 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM

I hope other Governors step forward and tell their Senators to KILL THIS BILL. Start a new trend Governors- be responsible with our money.

journeyintothewhirlwind on December 17, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I think Gov. Dave’s message to Ben was, “Kill the bill, or I’ll kill your career by running against you in 2012 and wiping the floor with you.”

That would be the mother of all lopsided wins for the GOP. Our gov. is one of the most fiscally conservative politicians in the country right now. We love him.

Nelson was on a Lincoln radio station this morning discussing the bill. He was asked if there would be a vote by Christmas.

He replied, “Which Christmas?”

I think he wants to string this along and eventually pass something that doesn’t offend his pro-life sensibilities. Don’t think for one moment that Nelson doesn’t want to help Obama pass something. He does, and he said as much this morning.

This is why I voted for Nelson’s opponent in 2006. Ricketts would’ve killed the bill. Now his family has to deal with the Cubs. Ick.

NebCon on December 17, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Nelson’s 2012 re-election is far off at this point, but it’s entirely possible he could face a challenge from Heineman.

I sure hope so.

OmahaConservative on December 17, 2009 at 10:34 AM

My wife belongs to a group which attended a luncheon at the Governor’s mansion a couple of weeks ago. She came away pretty impressed with both he and his wife. Glad to see him step up to the plate on this. However, I still don’t trust Nelson to hold firm. Hope I’m wrong.

a capella on December 17, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Fletch54 on December 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Lollers.

LibTired on December 17, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Yeah, Repubs. Grow some fins :P

Lanceman on December 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Lanceman: I think grow fins is being serviced by a lamprey
under a dark bridge somewhere!!:)(sarc).

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:37 AM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 16, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CT

CONTACT

Jen Rae Hein, Gov’s Office
Ashley Cradduck, Gov’s Office

Gov. Heineman Urges Sen. Nelson to
Vote Against Senate Health Care Bill
Federal Health Care Bill Represents $2.5 Billion Expansion for Nebraska Medicaid

(Lincoln, Neb.) Letter (pdf) – Gov. Dave Heineman today sent a letter to U.S. Senator Ben Nelson regarding the current health care reform proposal being considered in the U.S. Senate.

The text of the Governor’s letter follows:

“I am writing you today because the current Senate health care bill is bad news for Nebraska. America’s health care system needs improvement, but this bill is not the answer. You are now the 60th vote, and as Governor of the State that we both represent, I urge you to vote against this bill and against cloture.

“You have said that the debate on health care reform needs to be based on facts, not rhetoric. I agree. The facts are compelling and undeniable. This bill increases taxes, cuts Medicare and is an unfunded expansion of Medicaid.

“In reviewing the current Senate bill, it appears that while the increased state costs for the initial three years of the Medicaid expansion would be covered, the program quickly becomes a substantial unfunded Medicaid mandate. Late yesterday, the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services completed the analysis of the bill in full. The report is enclosed.

“In just six years, FY 2014-FY 2019, the Nebraska Medicaid program will cumulatively grow by a new $2,493,852,279. This $2.5 billion will be passed on to citizens through direct or indirect taxes and fees.

“Federal reimbursement to the State would fall short by approximately $45.5 million by FY 2019. Ultimately, this means the cost will be greater than $450 million over a ten year period. Furthermore, program costs are projected to increase twice as fast as reimbursements.

“The State of Nebraska cannot afford an unfunded mandate and uncontrolled spending of this magnitude. Additionally, Nebraskans are very concerned about the bill’s increase in payroll taxes. Rural hospitals are very concerned about their ability to survive. Seniors are very concerned about the cuts in Medicare.

“The bottom line is the current Senate bill is not in Nebraska’s best interest. Therefore, I strongly urge you to oppose the current Senate health care legislation. Please vote “no” on cloture and vote “no” on the bill. Thank you.”

God Bless him, we in NE are very blessed to have him as our governor. He and Sally are very good, salt-of-the-earth solid Midwestern Christian conservatives with values we can all be very proud of.
http://www.governor.nebraska.gov/

OmahaConservative on December 17, 2009 at 10:41 AM

I hope other Governors step forward and tell their Senators to KILL THIS BILL. Start a new trend Governors- be responsible with our money.

journeyintothewhirlwind on December 17, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Screw leaving this to the governors. I hope each and every reader of this post stops what they are doing and contact their Senators. NOW. You can watch the pretty girls in the anti-Obama t-shirts anytime. You need to contact your Senators today and tell them to kill the bill.

I’ve contacted Webb and Warner twice this week, even though they are both lapdogs of the filthy lying coward and their corrupt party. If enough voters express disapproval, Senators will start looking for reasons to get rid of the current healthcare bill.

highhopes on December 17, 2009 at 10:42 AM

If Nelson successfully torpedoes the bill without Lincoln having to take any position on cloture — assuming Reid doesn’t call Nelson’s bluff and holds that cloture vote — then Lincoln will be free to spin herself as a fiscal conservative, despite waffling on ObamaCare.

No offense to the people of Arkansas, but if they are that out of touch, they shouldn’t be voting.

Vashta.Nerada on December 17, 2009 at 10:42 AM

It is up to each Senator to decide if he/she is going to be influenced by the majority of Americans or The Far Left.

kingsjester on December 17, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Governor Heineman is very popular in Nebraska. Nelson seems to be popular in the Omaha area, but I am not sure about out state. Many more individualist in out state Nebraska than in Omaha. Having said that, I don’t think the governor can get Nelson to hold firm and I still expect him to fold, after all, he is still a dem.

If Nelson does vote for this bill, you can bet it will be used against him the next time he has to run. Nebraska is a red state, despite having Nelson as a senator. Obama’s Waterloo could also be Nelson’s.

kam582 on December 17, 2009 at 10:46 AM

And to think,HealthCare was the cornerstone of
Obama’s political agenda and his Presidential
legacy!!

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Whatever happened to all the dire consequences we were told would befall America if this were not passed and signed into law by the August recess? Congress just left for the rest of the year and, yet, no healthcare reform. Was Obama lying back in July when he was holding those staged town halls?

And for that matter, why haven’t we had any town halls lately??? Congressmen and the filthy lying coward in the White House really must be afraid of dealing with real people.

highhopes on December 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Geez, you must think Arkansas voters have sawdust for brains. Who would have thought Sen. Lincoln is as clever as you portray.

Marcus on December 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM

The half-trillion cuts in Medicare alone should be enough for every governor to oppose this bill; what will happen to our seniors?

Kill the bill. Before the bill kills our seniors, our state budgets, rural hospitals…

TN Mom on December 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM

The Omaha World Herald has two full page ads in it this morning, one on page 6A, and the other on page 9A urging us to contact Nelson for a no vote on this debacle.

One is from http://www.physiciansunitedforpatients.org/
and the other is from http://www.fosterfriess.com/

OmahaConservative on December 17, 2009 at 10:50 AM

And for that matter, why haven’t we had any town halls lately??? Congressmen and the filthy lying coward in the White House really must be afraid of dealing with real people.

highhopes on December 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM

highhopes: I think this sums up why Obama is worried!!

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/capitol-view-lo-res.jpg

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:52 AM

I seriously can’t believe that both Mark Warner and Jim Webb will vote for this thing either, after the landslide victory by Bob McDonnell in Virginia. I would love to see McDonnell write both of them a similar letter. This bill will blow a huge hole in Virginia’s state budget too.

Tim Pawlenty ought to do this too. Make Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken own up to the costs they are going to impose on the citizens of Minnesota.

In fact, it would be a good tactic for Haley Barbour to have all Republican governors write to their senators urging them to oppose this bill.

rockmom on December 17, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Here is one of the ads from today’s paper in Omaha.

OmahaConservative on December 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Durbin loves The Bill and the only reason Burris doesn’t like it is because the Bill doesn’t go far enough-in his corrupt eyes-in taking our freedoms away.
Burris is a lame duck-so he couldn’t care less how much he screws this state.
L-d: Please rescue me from ILL-ANNOYZ!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 17, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Here is the other ad in today’s Omaha World Herald.

OmahaConservative on December 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM

I keep praying Mary landreiu grows a heart, but I`m not sure its gonna happen. She is determined to sell out our State and Bobby Jindal. This is the first time in my life that the leaders of this Country are the ENEMY within. This is EVIL pure and simple.This bill will truly destroy whats left of the economy.

LSUMama on December 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM

And to think,HealthCare was the cornerstone of
Obama’s political agenda and his Presidential
legacy!!

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM

More like a millstone hung around his neck!

lukespapa on December 17, 2009 at 11:02 AM

This is EVIL pure and simple.This bill will truly destroy whats left of the economy.
LSUMama on December 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM

I am just hoping and praying that Nelson will heed Heineman’s warning.

OmahaConservative on December 17, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Maybe Russia and China will step in and save us from ourselves.

China could say, “Hey you aren’t using OUR money to finance this boondogle.”

Russia could say, “Have you looked at the numbers on this bill? They’re all LIES.”

Lily on December 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Who’s the biggest winner if Nelson holds out?

Olympia Snowe. When history calls…ya just have to answer. Why, she could be a footnote in a history book one day!

SouthernGent on December 17, 2009 at 11:09 AM

What is McConnell doing to get Nelson’s vote? I bet nothing.

cubachi on December 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM

What exactly do you think he has to offer him? Here’s a hint: NOTHING!!!!

He’s the leader of a minority party that doesn’t even have enough votes to stop a filibuster on their own. Unless of course Nelson wants a guided tour of Bowling Green (not even all-expenses paid), McConnell can only appeal to the politics of the situation, something I’m quite sure Nelson is well aware of.

JohnGalt23 on December 17, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I love our governor here in Indiana, Mitch Daniels. He’s made some tough (and often unpopular with the sheeple) decisions that has kept our state in a relatively sounds financial position. Sounds like NE has a great one as well. If only these kind of individuals can spread to the other states as well……

search4truth on December 17, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Ben Nelson. Look at his mug. It’s all there on his face, the total mediocrity.

rrpjr on December 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Oh, no question in my mind. Vote against it.

People will be truly outraged once they pay attention to the principles.

Tax before any benefits are offered? Ridiculous.
Mandate insurance that allows the companies to charge 300%? Ridiculous.

It’s absolutely a travesty.

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:27 AM

And Dems who think people will remember how they were pressured?

Well, look at the Iraq war results.

Did they remember?

Nope.

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Just reminds of Bugs Bunny cartoon where they parodied Wagner opera…. all I can hear is an Elmer Fudd voice, singing… “Kill the Bill”….
catlady on December 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM

That would be…Kiwoo the Biwoo

Nalea on December 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:27 AM

So, you’ve learned that you can’t have hot ice cream, eh?

BobMbx on December 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Besides, Nelson has more objections to the ObamaCare Rump bill than just the fact that it will use federal monies to fund abortions for the first time ever:

–That’s a dishonest description of the facts. The Senate bill will allow funding for plans that contain abortion coverage, not for abortions. The Hyde Amendments for about twenty years only prohibited funding for abortions, not for plans that contain abortion coverage.

Jimbo3 on December 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM

SouthernGent on December 17, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Not that I believe her but she said there is no way she id going to be vote number 60.

I just hope Nelson caves our way but I doubt it.

Brat4life on December 17, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Healthcare IS important to voters. Make no mistakes. Those who think that’s not true are making a huge error.

However, Obama has kicked the ball to the Congress, and they are all under the bus now.

I think everyone is sort of missing the real point. The real power of a presidency is with the veto.

He’s never whispered the word. He is counting on slipping this past as “reform.”

It isn’t working, and it won’t.

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Yeah, Repubs. Grow some fins :P

Lanceman on December 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM

A+

Del Dolemonte on December 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM

So, you’ve learned that you can’t have hot ice cream, eh?

BobMbx on December 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I liked the medicare expansion plan, personally. I think the mandate without a public option is absurd. I think taxing 3 years before people see a benefit will be the death of the Democrats.

People aren’t stupid.

I’m not displeased with my vote for McCain. I knew Obama was weak. My own political perspective is that I can usually live with leaders whom I disagree with on specifics, so long as they demonstrate true leadership.

Even a plan I don’t like works better than chaos.

I think I made the right choice. I’ll never be right-wing.

I am pretty clear on what is leadership and what isn’t.

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM

What exactly do you think he has to offer him? Here’s a hint: NOTHING!!!!

He’s the leader of a minority party that doesn’t even have enough votes to stop a filibuster on their own.

JohnGalt23 on December 17, 2009 at 11:09 AM

He is the leader of the Minority Party TODAY. Even if the Dems retain the senate in 2010, they will no longer have a SuperMajority. Having a buddy on the other side is not a bad thing. Especially if you are already against it.

Do what you think is best AND get a chit for the future. Politics at its best.

barnone on December 17, 2009 at 11:39 AM

What’s fascinating to me is how nobody on the Left, and they are mad, still aren’t really locating the real issue.

Obama is so inexperienced. All those comparisons to FDR?

Oh man, that made me gag all along. Who negotiates by signalling that they will sign ANYTHING?

LOL*

And what is Axelrod really thinking here? He has got to truly think people are stupid.

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Healthcare IS important to voters. Make no mistakes. Those who think that’s not true are making a huge error.

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Healthcare is important to politicians, especially progressive communist politicians. Health care could be easily affordable by most, and cheaply subsidized for those who can’t care for themselves if the government would only do it’s job.

It;s important to voters in that they don’t want their lives run by fat, overpaid, corrupt bureaucrats.

darwin on December 17, 2009 at 11:41 AM

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM

You will never understand what’s going on until you recognize the sinister motives involved. Not only do you believe the propaganda you watch on TV concerning “global warming”, you also believe there’s a health care “crisis”.

darwin on December 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

You will never understand what’s going on until you recognize the sinister motives involved. Not only do you believe the propaganda you watch on TV concerning “global warming”, you also believe there’s a health care “crisis”.

darwin on December 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

And I say you’ll never hold a legitimate majority until you address the problem.

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM

And I say you’ll never hold a legitimate majority until you address the problem.

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Which the Republicans have and will do, but no one knows what they’re offering because the media won’t present it and the democrats block them out of everything.

darwin on December 17, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I don’t buy it. I don’t think Nelson will vote against cloture unless he has a few other dissenters with him.

He has already folded once.

jhffmn on December 17, 2009 at 11:57 AM

And I say you’ll never hold a legitimate majority until you address the problem.

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM

In the headlines is an article in the WSJ explaining how every democratic president has attempted or wished to nationalize health care.

Had blogs been around, I’m sure the comment you just made would have been made each time as well.

jhffmn on December 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

This is for those that think popularly elected senators is a good thing. This is why the Founding Fathers had the senators chosen by the state legislatures, to allow state legislatures representation in the Federal government. Once we made senators elected by the people, we took out a key leg in the Constitution by negating any influence a state’s legislature had. Now look were we are, federal mandates on top of federal mandates and states relegated to begging for money from the feds. Had we kept the Constitution the way it was in regards to the election of senators, this bill would never have seen the light. Nor would have “crap and tax,” which is still lurking in the shadows. And furthermore, the Nebraska governor’s letter would have a ton more weight than it does now. Don’t be surpised if Nelson caves to his party or is bought off.

TQM38a on December 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Nelson will cave…remember TARP I? He will cave.

jbh45 on December 17, 2009 at 12:02 PM

This whole thread just points out the need to repeal the 17th. Why the states went along with it in the first place has always amazed me.

duff65 on December 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Nelson will cave…remember TARP I? He will cave.

jbh45 on December 17, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Yeah I agree. If this bill fails now, it’s because the Howard Dean libtard wing of the party continues to turn on it. If there is a general sense on the left this bill is bad too, it won’t pass and Nelson will probably oppose it.

jhffmn on December 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM

then Lincoln will be free to spin herself as a fiscal conservative, despite waffling on ObamaCare.

Oh yeah, she is going to “save” herself. Not.

Nothing short of the miracle of a postponed election in Ark. is going to save this woman’s career.

elduende on December 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM

cntrlfrk on December 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Well said. I’ve tried (can’t get in; line’s always busy) to call his office to tell him it’s 4th and inches for the winning touchdown, we’re on defense with one second left, and he’s Suh. If he does anything less than kill this bill he may make history in his own mind but in Nebraska he will BE history.

justincase on December 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Healthcare IS important to voters. Make no mistakes. Those who think that’s not true are making a huge error.

AnninCA on December 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM

You’re not supposed to just read Axelrods script you know. You should try to rephrase to make sound a little less canned.

Fighton03 on December 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Blanche Lincoln’s prior cloture vote should kill her chances for re-election.

molonlabe28 on December 17, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Surely Christmas Eve is not the right time to pass this thing. The only appropriate day for King Herod to decide to slaughter the little ones is on the Commemoration of the Holy Innocents.

If they force this evil crap on us against our will Congress will be both King Herod AND King George.

justincase on December 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM

“Help me Obi–you’re the only one!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLx0BCjtxx8

lovingmyUSA on December 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM

A lot of governors, even those who notionally would support the bill, are getting cold feet because of the potential state budget implications.

So, wobbly Dems include:
–Nelson
–Sanders
–Burris

Robert_Paulson on December 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Burris is just looking for some good old fashined Chicago style GRAFT to take care of his family! Remember, this may be his last chance to get it!

A nice project to build a $500 million clinic on a piece of land someone he knows is holding will get his vote.

Freddy on December 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I think enough people are watching this, that none of these blue dogs are coming back. The mere fact that they have to hem, and haw over this, is proof they aren’t centrists. They’re being pinned in a corner by both sides, and not taking a stance. If that doesn’t speak volumes, I don’t know what does? They aren’t opposed to the bill, they’re worried about not being re-elected. If it weren’t for that, this bill would already be done!

capejasmine on December 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I wish Webb and Warner would grow a pair and kill this scam. Funny, Webb voted ‘yes’ to allow importation of prescription drugs; Warner ‘no’. Not too crazy about Webb but he could become a mega-hero now by bolting to the Repubs and carrying the day. He can’t be too happy about having to vote for this turkey with 2012 appearing in the rearview mirror after the big swing rightward last November. Warner should have voted ‘yes’. Torpedoing the payoff Obama made to big Pharma would have made him look more responsible. He made a fair governor but he’s seeming more and more like a lapdog for Obama. Maybe he’s still being President some day.

Bob in VA on December 17, 2009 at 1:03 PM

The only appropriate day for King Herod to decide to slaughter the little ones is on the Commemoration of the Holy Innocents.

justincase on December 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Good point!

ya2daup on December 17, 2009 at 1:38 PM

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