Merry Christmas: Senate ObamaCare vote may come on December 24th

posted at 4:48 pm on December 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

Pelosi did promise us a special present this year. The bad news: Unless Ben Nelson holds the line, we’re going to wake up to a boulder-sized piece of coal in the stocking from Obama Claus on Christmas morning. The good news: Looks like I won’t have to scrounge for Palin material to keep traffic up on Christmas Eve.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s plan to pass the Senate health care reform bill by Christmas looked increasingly in doubt Wednesday, as Republicans launched an offensive to stall the legislation and Democrats had yet to strike a 60-vote compromise.

Senators privately considered one scenario Wednesday that would have them casting a final vote at 7 p.m. Christmas Eve…

The Christmas deadline is a political target. Democrats want to finish the bill so they have a few weeks to move it through a House-Senate conference committee and deliver it to the president by the State of the Union address in late January or early February. After months of health care dominating their domestic agenda, Democrats are eager to shift to other issues early next year — mainly a focus on creating jobs.

Because Republicans like McConnell and DeMint are promising to delay by every possible means (even Olympia Snowe wants to slow down, believe it or not), the only way to get the bill to the floor by Christmas Eve is to schedule votes at the first possible moment under Senate rules — which means they could be voting on amendments at 3 a.m. this week. That’s how desperate the most transparent administration ever is to get this done before the next round of polls freaks out even more centrists.

Republicans may force Senate clerks to read the entire manager’s amendment but that will not disrupt the schedule. That’s because reading the amendment, which will be shorter than the 2,074-page healthcare bill, is not expected to take more than eight hours.

Reid could offer the manager’s amendment on Saturday morning and keep to his schedule as long as he files cloture sometime before midnight.

Cloture motions need one day to ripen, so the earliest the Senate could vote to end debate on Reid’s manager’s amendment would be 1 a.m. Monday.

Democrats would have to allow 30 hours of post-cloture debate to elapse before voting to approve the manager’s amendment. A second cloture vote to end debate on the initial healthcare bill would happen as early as 7 a.m. Tuesday, followed by another 30 hours of post-cloture debate before a vote to adopt that amendment to the underlying bill.

Even if they pass something, Clyburn reiterated this morning that the House wants a conference on the bill where it plans to “fight very hard” for the public option, so this will drag on past Christmas. The question then will be whether the polls can get so toxic that Blue Dogs will start peeling away even though both chambers will have already passed something. I’m skeptical, but who knows how deep in the toilet the numbers will be after New Year’s?

Oh, and have I mentioned that there’s still no bill yet? Watch Mitch McConnell chew Reid up over that in this morning’s floor speech. Six minutes is long-ish for a YouTube clip, but it gets better towards the end. Quote: “No American who hasn’t been invited into the Majority Leader’s conference room knows what will be in that bill.”

Update: Seriously, no American outside the conference room has seen it. Including Nancy Pelosi.


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Did they learn nothing from porkulus?

Doughboy on December 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

No.

chemman on December 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM

This is beginning to remind me of the movie Things to Come. “Anytown” was attacked by the enemy on Christmas; the war that resulted set civilization back decades, generations.

Our enemies are here in our own country, but the damage they will do passing an unwritten bill will be as bad — or worse than — bombs and poison gas.

It seems any court would strike down the actions Reid, Osama Obama & Co. are pushing on us, but I suppose that’s wishful thinking.

So, by the way, is all this talk about what will happen 11 months from now. When this stinking pile of dung passes — and it will — the damage will be done.

Goodbye economy, good-bye Constitution, hello Leaders-for-Life. Welcome to Haiti.

MrScribbler on December 17, 2009 at 5:57 PM

The Republicans are playing hardball.
Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

How so???? There are 60 Democrats. They don’t need any Republicans to vote in favor of this debacle. When was the last time you saw a Republican being interviewed about their position. It’s not the Republicans. Its the Back Biting Democrats that can’t get along.

This is just chapping your a$$, isn’t it?

PappaMac on December 17, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Doesn’t anyone else think it is odd that they have a monstrosity of an amendment written before the bill is? That seems a bit backwards to me, but then this whole process has been backwards.

TKSnider on December 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

I still haven’t figured out why you want this bill to pass so badly other than partisan stubbornness. Can you help us out?

Chuck Schick on December 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

This is what I don’t get. This bill is the worst of both worlds – the marriage of big government and big business.

I’ve seen Bleeds argue before that the government should be able to argue for lower drug prices, but President Obama made a ‘drug deal’ with Big Pharma to keep that from happening.

This bill requires people to buy insurance from big, eeeevil insurance companies or pay a fine (maybe go to jail).

This bill guarantees that insurance premiums will rise, which was supposedly the whole point of needing health care reform in the first place..

There’s no shame in admitting that this bill is a piece of crap. Why Bleeds keeps trying to pretend it’s a good piece of legislation is beyond me.

BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

A necessary thing. The Republicans are playing hardball. I don’t know why you expect the Democrats to do anything differently.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

I still haven’t figured out why you want this bill to pass so badly other than partisan stubbornness. Can you help us out?

Chuck Schick on December 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Because we believe that the health care system in the United States is severely screwed up and hurts the people our party has traditionally represented the most.

Because we’ve been trying to do this since Roosevelt and we’re this freakin’ close to the first major step forward in 44 years and we’re damn well not going to lose it becaues the Republicans played procedural games better than we did.

Because this was the cornerstone domestic plank of our presidents platform and he and we promised to get it done.

Because we’ll get twice as killed in the fall if we don’t.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

BottomLine5 on December 17, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Make him swim. After all because of AGW the oceans have warmed.

chemman on December 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

What are the chances of this thing getting through given the current situation? The wheels are literally coming off this thing hour by hour. Dean, Kayo, Burris, Nelson, Kos are all wailing on the White House over this. Axelrod is forced to play defense *to his left* mind you. If this goes much further, then Obama is going to have to look for cover *to his right*–I mean, those lefties are going nuts!

ted c on December 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM

put it on the floor now harry, i haven’t seen a train wreck up close in a while!

ted c on December 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM

This bill won’t pass. The R leadership is doing well.

We need more amendments. . . I know they have to be approved by majority, but propose a Tort reform amendment anyway. It is pertinent to paying for health care. If the government has to pay for health care, it is an important amendment. They’ll be on record voting against TORT reform. Make it a mild amendment that is sensible.

ThackerAgency on December 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Because we believe that the health care system in the United States is severely screwed up and hurts the people our party has traditionally represented the most.
Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

The Kennedy’s?

PappaMac on December 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM

This is just chapping your a$$, isn’t it?

PappaMac on December 17, 2009 at 5:57 PM

It’s no secret what I thnk of Mr. Lieberman.

it’s also no secret that Democrats do not and never have marched in lockstep as well as the Republicans. We have a different genetic makeup, we don’t worship authority and order for its own sake and don’t have the same enthusiasm for military/corporate discipline.

To have a real filibuster-proof majority, we’d need at least 63.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Because we believe that the health care system in the United States is severely screwed up and hurts the people our party has traditionally represented the most.

Because we’ve been trying to do this since Roosevelt and we’re this freakin’ close to the first major step forward in 44 years and we’re damn well not going to lose it becaues the Republicans played procedural games better than we did.

Because this was the cornerstone domestic plank of our presidents platform and he and we promised to get it done.

Because we’ll get twice as killed in the fall if we don’t.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

The bill raises premiums, the deficit and health care spending. This is from the CBO and the HHS.

Every bit of actual liberal thinking on controlling costs was surrendered by Obama- mostly this week.

So Ill ask the question again.

Chuck Schick on December 17, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Update: Seriously, no American outside the conference room has seen it. Including Nancy Pelosi.

Transparency, baby!

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Because we’ll get twice as killed in the fall if we don’t.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

OT – Since you got to do plenty of gloating in 2008, I hope you’ll still be around to take your lumps in November. It would only be fair, after all.

it’s also no secret that Democrats do not and never have marched in lockstep as well as the Republicans. We have a different genetic makeup, we don’t worship authority and order for its own sake and don’t have the same enthusiasm for military/corporate discipline.

To have a real filibuster-proof majority, we’d need at least 63.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Yeah, the Republicans all just do what they’re told. They never stray from the ranch like the wonder twins, or switch parties like Specter (and soon to be Crist).

The Republicans were able to get things done with only 51 Senators primarily because the things they were trying to push weren’t strongly hated by the American people.

BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM

After months of health care dominating their domestic agenda, Democrats are eager to shift to other issues early next year — mainly a focus on creating jobs.

20% unemployment here we come. Stock up on food and ammo because it’s going to get bad out there.

chemman on December 17, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Chuck Schick on December 17, 2009 at 6:06 PM

According to the CB, 31 million uninsured Americans will be covered 98% of legal residents. It lowers the deficit. It sets the stage for long-term cost containment. Most people will pay only slightly more for substantially better coverage and low-and moderate-income people will se their costs decline.

Yeah, the Republicans all just do what they’re told. They never stray from the ranch like the wonder twins, or switch parties like Specter (and soon to be Crist).

The Republicans were able to get things done with only 51 Senators primarily because the things they were trying to push weren’t strongly hated by the American people.

BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM

You mean primarily because the Democrats didn’t filibuster nearly enough stuff, supported the war and the Republicans got their tax cuts in — the only thing they actually care about — through reconciliation.

And Republicans absolutely do march in lockstep.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM

It may seem strange for me to say this, but thank goodness for Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins. If Maine had elected Dems instead of these two RINOs, we would have had a healthcare bill already passed and signed into law. There is definitely a place for RINOs in the GOP. Now, we just need to get about 65 conservatives in the Senate so that we aren’t dependent on the RINOs to pass what we want.

mydh12 on December 17, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM

It does not lower the deficit. We can have a substantive argument, but not if you’re going to lie about well established facts.

Just because the President says something doesn’t make it true.

And I’ll grant that the Republicans are better at herding their members than the Democrats are, but again, I think it’s primarily a factor of their policies being less hated. I mean seriously, tax cuts are popular, so it’s easy to get all your members on board for stuff like that. Health care ‘reform’ is not popular, hence the difficulties in getting centrist Dems to go along despite having overwhelming numbers.

BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM

mydh12 on December 17, 2009 at 6:16 PM

I completely agree with this. You’re never getting a Coburn elected in the north east, and people who vote with the right 80% of the time in a place like New York (thinking Rudy) are better every day of the week than someone who votes with the right 5% of the time.

BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 6:23 PM

And Republicans absolutely do march in lockstep.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Wow….that’s some high octane Hash your smoking.

PappaMac on December 17, 2009 at 6:23 PM

31 million uninsured Americans will be covered 98% of legal residents

You might want to rephrase this

It lowers the deficit

In your wildest dreams

Most people will pay only slightly more for substantially better coverage and low-and moderate-income people will se their costs decline.

Really? You might want to change your source of THC it’s causing you to hallucinate.

chemman on December 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Because this was the cornerstone domestic plank of our presidents platform and he and we promised to get it done.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Who is this “we” you speak of? Surely not “we the people” who your dear leader and the Democrat congresscritters refuse to listen to.

Knucklehead on December 17, 2009 at 6:27 PM

It does not lower the deficit. We can have a substantive argument, but not if you’re going to lie about well established facts.


CBO says it does
.

Though, clearly, we don’t know about the bill currently being scored.

And I’ll grant that the Republicans are better at herding their members than the Democrats are, but again, I think it’s primarily a factor of their policies being less hated. I mean seriously, tax cuts are popular, so it’s easy to get all your members on board for stuff like that. Health care ‘reform’ is not popular, hence the difficulties in getting centrist Dems to go along despite having overwhelming numbers.

BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM

I think there’s also discipline, as well. I think if they weren’t so disciplined you’d see three or four Republicans cutting deals and voting for cloture because they’re actually moderates and they thought they could make an inevitable bill better. or you’d have had a couple here and there voting for things like the stimulus package.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 6:27 PM

oh hear those sleigh bells ringaling
jing jing jingaling tooo
come on its lovely weather
for death panels, penalties toooooo

ginaswo on December 17, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Slightly OT…but did I see a story about a CNN poll recently saying 61% opposed obamacare? Or am I confused about something else? Does anyone have a link?

lukespapa on December 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM

O Holy Night
when Congress Critters vooooooted
for the bill that would kill
the elderlyyyyyy

no offense, I LOVE Carols

O Come O Come Emaaaaanuellll
as Senate carries out the Dems death knell…

ginaswo on December 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 6:27 PM

First off, no one’s seen the final bill. The CBO scored version only lowers the deficit slightly because it starts collecting taxes years before benefits begin. And the cuts to Medicare will never materialize (the House is planning to attach that to the upcoming defense bill). So no, it does not lower the deficit in the first ten years or any of the years beyond that. The readership here is up on politics enough that BS like that isn’t going to fly.

What’s up with you right now? I have honestly never seen you spin and distort the way you are tonight.

BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 6:35 PM

do you hear what I hear?
a bill a bill voting in the night
to lay taxes and fines at our doors
oh how the Senate we abhor….

deck the halls with fines and taxes
Fa la la la la la la la la
no Canadian drugs for the lads or lasses
Fa la la la la la la la la

ginaswo on December 17, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Slightly OT…but did I see a story about a CNN poll recently saying 61% opposed obamacare? Or am I confused about something else? Does anyone have a link?

lukespapa on December 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM

It was CNN. I can’t post their links, but this one should work.

Linky

Knucklehead on December 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM

badgerhawk

bleedsblue is in the ninth circle of hell
where the obots discover they are working for coroporate cronyism with a neoprog face
they voted in the status quo
all the donations showed who it was a year ago
all the Wall St and pharma dough went to the Big O

most painful stage of his grief no doubt…

clinging dare I say bitterly? to the vestigies of hope that he/she had worked their heart out for a new change of hope. But this WH triangulates like Big Dawg on steroids

muuhuuuhhaaaa

ginaswo on December 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM

What’s up with you right now? I have honestly never seen you spin and distort the way you are tonight.

BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 6:35 PM

Christmas planning.

And now, to a Christmas Hanuka party to see if my old buddy was one of the Chosen People chosen to go to the White House the other night. (True, Bishop)

Also for vodka and Latkes.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 6:39 PM

marriage of big government and big business BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

The definition of Fascism

mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm

IowaWoman on December 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

I think you need to go on meds or something. The republicans can only stall this thing. That’s it. They can’t stop it. It’s the dems that are killing this for themselves.

Brat4life on December 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM

I saw three Dems come sailing in
On Christmas Eve on Christmas Eve
they came to the floor and spun their spin
on Christmas Eve in the eeeevening!

Oh yes we need a little socialism
right this very minute
mandates now for healthcare
a VAT TAX in a minute….

ginaswo on December 17, 2009 at 6:42 PM

ahh BleedsBlue is spinning like a Dreidel

Dreidel Dreidel Dreidel
the dems have feet of clay
and when they pass this health bill
the Dems well they will pay
oh!

ginaswo on December 17, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Well have a good night then. And I know you’re not a complete tool like some of our other lefties (and righties), so I really hate seeing you distort crap the way you were today. Recharge your batteries and come back with your A game.

Your party’s going down the drain these days, and the current political climate doesn’t make arguing for your side easy, but there’s no reason you have to follow them down into the gutters.

BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 6:44 PM

ginaswo on December 17, 2009 at 6:43 PM

I always get a little jealous of people who can rhyme things easily. Sometimes I’ll come up with a witty verse or two, but it’s usually after about 20 minutes of head scratching.

BadgerHawk on December 17, 2009 at 6:51 PM

According to the CB, 31 million uninsured Americans will be covered 98% of legal residents.

Through more debt.

It lowers the deficit.

Only through pretty grade-school trickery. Long-term picture is terrible like all the rest of liberal entitlements.

It sets the stage for long-term cost containment. Most people will pay only slightly more for substantially better coverage and low-and moderate-income people will se their costs decline.

Baloney. When people consume more of something prices go up. You guys outsmart basic economics.

Chuck Schick on December 17, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Knucklehead on December 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Thanks for that. Was just watching Glenn Beck & he showed CNN poll that had 61% FAVOR. I told my wife he has that backwards! Glad my memory is still good :)

I will attempt to send a e-mail to GB

lukespapa on December 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Because we’ll get twice as killed in the fall if we don’t.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 5:59 PM

So really nothing about the merits of the bill itself. I think many here suspected as much.

mr.blacksheep on December 17, 2009 at 7:09 PM

On the first day of Christmas, the Congress gave to me
A Health Care Plan that will destroy what’s left of the economy.

Left Coast Right Mind on December 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Twas the night before Christmas,
When suddenly, in the House,
A strange creature I heard stirring. Was it a mouse?
Why no? It was Nancy, I leaned straining to hear,
Shouting and clamoring, she called out! “Harry Reid! Is the vote near?”
“My House Minions are waiting, all smug and pure reds!
With visions of socialism dancing in their heads!
With you in the Senate and me with my crap
We’ve laid such a wonderful health care trap!
Then suddenly on the House lawn, arose a real clatter,
I sprang to my window to see what was the matter.
A harsh light glared forth,
and a voice with re-verb said,
“Harry Reid! Harry Reid! Is my health care bill dead?”
“No!” shouted Reid! “I’ve called for a vote!”
“On this Christmas eve night,
my Senators, I awoke!”
“We will vote on this bill and we’ll pass it right now!
with 51 or 60 it matters not how!”
Could this be? I feared, on this most blessed of nights?
That such evil could prevail, it caused me such fright!
In haste I listened. It was true. He was so right!
Harry Reid began yelling out, with all of his might,
“Come Boxer, Come Schumer come Specter and Dodd
Stand up and be counted! Lets pass this big fraud!”
“We’ll take charge of the doctors, the nurses, and the rest!
We’ll control it all! From the east to the west!”
“They’ll all bow once this scam becomes law!
Yes, we’ll give you health care, Dear Leader, We’ll give you it all!”
In anguish I cried, “We’re finished, I know!”
When suddenly, my eye, in the distance, caught a faint glow.
A light in the night? A trick of the eye?
A sparkle? A twinkle? Something bright, below the sky?
Closer it came, as the light it grew. I could see now,
why yes! A tour bus, painted, bright blue!
I jumped up and did shout!
“Sarah Palin! Sarah Palin!”
I did my best to call out!
Yes, It was then, I remembered,
and, with thanks, I did pray,
Dear Lord, Give me courage, let me not
dismay!
For I saw Sarah ride by with a wink and a smile,
2010 and 2012 will be here in short while!
Evil need not win, all things can be made right!
So Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

JellyToast on December 17, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Left Coast Right Mind on December 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Are your Christmas jingles some sort of drinking game?

I do believe we better get ready to slam a few back after ogabe gives away what’s left of us in hopenhagen tomorrow. The hillary pledge was just a down payment:(

lukespapa on December 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM

And Republicans absolutely do march in lockstep.

Bleeds Blue on December 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM

And John McCain has the nickname “Maverick” because he’s a lock-stepper? Sarah Palin, whom you despise, went after members of her own party first because she toes the line? Whereas Lieberman differs with his (ex-)party’s leadership on a handful of issues and now he’s a pariah deserving of nothing but hatred?

Seriously, what chapter of MENSA are you a member of again? They may want to revoke your standing.

Left Coast Right Mind on December 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Are your Christmas jingles some sort of drinking game?

lukespapa on December 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Considering the subject matter I have to work with out of Washington D.C., drinking seems pretty appropriate.

Left Coast Right Mind on December 17, 2009 at 7:36 PM

JellyToast on December 17, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Most excellent…love it!

Reading the posts on this site are joyful, and help me keep my sanity!

lukespapa on December 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Can we keep the Senators from going and close down the Senate? Something like those lefties always do handcuffing themselves to trees and such.

El_Terrible on December 17, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Here are two problems that I fail to grasp… someone help me.

First, if some Democrats oppose because it doesn’t pay for abortions and others oppose because it does or (replace abortion with public option or single payer), if you come up with “language” they can both agree on, one or both is lying when they cast their vote.

Second, everyone seems to be saying that “this can’t be undone! Once it’s done, it’s over because you can’t take the benefit away from people getting it.”. Okay, if this f*****g thing DOESN’T START until 2014, NO ONE IS GETTING A BENEFIT. Again, someone is lying.

I will follow the thread for explanations…..

CC

CapedConservative on December 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM

President Obama told ABC News’ Charles Gibson in an interview that if Congress does not pass health care legislation that will bring down costs, the federal government “will go bankrupt.”

Awww, c’mon NumbNuts, you’re only bringing your “B+” game here. Surely you haven’t forgotten the script already! Y’know the progression: crisis, followed by catastrophe, unless…

ya2daup on December 17, 2009 at 11:40 PM

It’s a transparent administration, all right.
I can see right through ‘em.

I’ve seen better bills come out of the rear end of a dog.

gordo on December 18, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Liberals still dare utter the word “Christmas”? Oh my! They’ve changed ‘terrorist attacks’ to ‘man-caused disasters’. Maybe this should be changed to “Democrat healtcare vote may come on Winter Holiday Eve.”

olesparkie on December 18, 2009 at 7:43 AM

This may have been said already, but, if this is the case that “No American who hasn’t been invited into the Majority Leader’s conference room knows what will be in that bill“:

1) Doesn’t that go against the Democrats saying that any bill would be posted online 72 hours (?) prior so all citizens can read it? Wasn’t that what they said they would do, post it online for all to read?; and

2) How can the CBO score it if it isn’t written yet? Do they have it already, or not?

Every Senator should be voting NO on this if they have not had a chance to read ANY portion of it! This is turning into a three-ring circus, with too many clowns.

Patriot Vet on December 18, 2009 at 8:14 AM

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