Leaked document: Emission targets at Copenhagen could still produce “catastrophic” global warming

posted at 7:49 pm on December 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

How wonderful that this very not-minor revelation is buried fully 10 paragraphs down in Time’s dispatch from the conference.

Even if diplomats make progress on a deal in Copenhagen, however, it’s becoming increasingly clear that any viable agreement will fall far short of the level of carbon cuts that science demands. A paper leaked from, and confirmed to be authentic by, the U.N. on Thursday night contains an assessment of the emissions-reduction pledges put forward so far in Copenhagen. It calculates that even if all developed and developing nations keep their promises, atmospheric carbon concentrations would rise as high as 770 parts per million, and temperatures could rise 3°C by the end of the century. The upper safe zone in temperature rise, according to many scientists, is 2°C, and the limit called for by vulnerable island nations is 1.5°C. “This document shows that for all the U.N. spouts about 2°C, the plan comes nowhere near it,” says Bill McKibben, the environmental writer who runs 350.org, an environmental group that calls for far deeper carbon cuts. “This is the real Climategate, and it shows that any agreement we sign at this summit will be the equivalent of a suicide pact.”

The Torygraph, thankfully, is giving the story its due. Consider this an addendum to yesterday’s post comparing Copenhagen to ObamaCare: In addition to all the other similarities, now we’ve got two exorbitantly expensive agreements whose own sponsors admit that they’re not going to achieve what they’re supposed to, but which simply must be enacted lest the left lose face politically. All at the low, low cost of trillions of dollars over the next few decades.

Speaking of squandering wealth, here’s the clip of Chavez receiving “deafening” applause inside the convention hall for dumping on capitalism. Send it to a friend because this ain’t showing up in tonight’s network news, rest assured.

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Speaking of squandering wealth, here’s the clip of Chavez receiving “deafening” applause inside the convention hall for dumping on capitalism.

Nope, no commies in that audience.

AUINSC on December 17, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Speaking of squandering wealth, here’s the clip of Chavez receiving “deafening” applause inside the convention hall for dumping on capitalism.

Capitalism built this country… how’s that socialism working out for yours? Your economy is smaller than most of our individual states.

Scrappy on December 17, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Obama will feel right at home…

cmsinaz on December 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Man, AP, why are you telling us things we already knew. I mean, even a caveman would know…

Ok, sorry, I did not mean to offend cavemen.

Trov on December 17, 2009 at 7:54 PM

A paper leaked from, and confirmed to be authentic by, the U.N. on Thursday night contains an assessment of the emissions-reduction pledges put forward so far in Copenhagen. It calculates that even if all developed and developing nations keep their promises, atmospheric carbon concentrations would rise as high as 770 parts per million, and temperatures could rise 3°C by the end of the century. The upper safe zone in temperature rise, according to many scientists, is 2°C, and the limit called for by vulnerable island nations is 1.5°C.

In other words, our Earth is an absurdly fragile system and can be undone by just a century or two of burning fossil fuels, and the only cure is for us to all renounce all technology that isn’t powered by wind or muscle power.
/sarc

Aitch748 on December 17, 2009 at 7:55 PM

BHO can top that…just you wait.

d1carter on December 17, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Funniest part: The fact that they have to tell you that the applause was “deafening” in a subtitle since the audio evidence in the clip is a little underwhelming.

Scrappy on December 17, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Man, Chavez can eat a parrot dick, srsly.

Hannibal Smith on December 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Maybe O and his buddy,Chavez can hang out again,exchange marxist books,and have a good laugh again.The only time ive seen O look comfortable and happy with a “world leader” was when he hung out with Hugo.Creepy.

theTarCzar on December 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM

I have to say, I think the Copenhagen conference deserves a solid B+.

WisCon on December 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Chavez would happily murder every one of those clapping morons if they got in his way, that’s the part they don’t understand.

Bishop on December 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM

“scientists demand”?

Who the hell do they think they are?

OldEnglish on December 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Toopid

Bishop on December 17, 2009 at 8:00 PM

“A paper leaked from, and confirmed to be authentic by, the U.N….”

Puzhalsta…!

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2009 at 8:01 PM

A paper leaked from by, and confirmed to be authentic by, the U.N.

FIFY

ROCnPhilly on December 17, 2009 at 8:02 PM

I so wish GW had walked upto Chavez and blew the Venezuelan dictator’s brains out the back of his skull.

Holger on December 17, 2009 at 8:05 PM

any agreement we sign at this summit will be the equivalent of a suicide pact.”

Truer words have never been spoken.

IowaWoman on December 17, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Socialism is like an exgirlfriend, the more time passes, the more fondly you remember them. But we all know why we dumped them in the first place.

Daveyardbird on December 17, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Funniest part: The fact that they have to tell you that the applause was “deafening” in a subtitle since the audio evidence in the clip is a little underwhelming.

It all depends on how the area was miked.

Allahpundit on December 17, 2009 at 8:08 PM

I must be going deaf because that was hardly “deafening” applause.

The Ugly American on December 17, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Nothing short of shutting down the industrialized Western world will satisfy the “scientists’ demands.” That, and transferring our wealth to the Third World — and to “climate scientists” and Al Bore — is what the lefty cretins of AGW are after.

Wonder if Osama Obama and Yugo Chavez will have time for a cozy little heart-to-heart in between their efforts to destroy civilization change the world?

MrScribbler on December 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM

But okay… the fact that they clapped at all is shocking enough.

Trained seals.

The Ugly American on December 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM

“This is the real Climategate, and it shows that any agreement we sign at this summit will be the equivalent of a suicide pact.”

Marxist/Socialist/Communist/Fascist world to Obowma…

“You go first…”

Obowma:

“OK!”

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2009 at 8:17 PM

His line about the ghost of capitalism seems like a botched version of the first line of the Communist Manifesto:

“A spectre is haunting Europe – the spectre of Communism.”

sandberg on December 17, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Maybe we’ll have a Christmas miracle and Obama will be visited by the Ghost of Capitalism Past.

sandberg on December 17, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Nothing short of shutting down the industrialized Western world will satisfy the “scientists’ demands.”

Actually, no.
You see, they’re setting up a system where you will be able to pay for your sins so it doesn’t matter anyway. As long as they have the requisite fines in their pockets all will be well.
The Obamas and Gores of the world will be, understandably, exempt.

Beto Ochoa on December 17, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Do scientists lie?

/sarc

CWforFreedom on December 17, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Air Force One is delivering the ghost of capitalism to Copenhagen.

fourdeucer on December 17, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Is that how intelligence dies? To thunderous applause?

I’m not surprised.

Woody

woodcdi on December 17, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Lets not forget Mugabe’s contribution:

The anti-capitalist theme was picked up on by Mr Mugabe, Zimbabwe’s veteran President, who is the target of Western sanctions over alleged human rights abuses.

“When these capitalist gods of carbon burp and belch their dangerous emissions, it’s we, the lesser mortals of the developing sphere who gasp and sink and eventually die.”

rob verdi on December 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Hugo Chaves is the modern day version of Benito Mussolini.

Hellrider on December 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Climate-schmimate. It´s all about taking money from the developed “capitalist” countries and giving it to dictators.

Hillary offered up $100 billion today.

albill on December 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM

He says what Obama really feels.

tomas on December 17, 2009 at 8:26 PM

You put “catastrophic” in quotation marks; isn’t it time to put “global warming” in them too?

ParisParamus on December 17, 2009 at 8:27 PM

A Global Catostrophic Dooms Day Scenario that will
make Judgement Day a picnic!!

Ya know,with all these dire consquences,it reminds me,
of the Liberals first 700 Billion dollar stimulus,that
if it wasn’t agreed to,and had to be done yesterday,then
the entire US Economy would go,and pardon my Canadian
lingo,t*ts up,Ahem!!!!

canopfor on December 17, 2009 at 8:28 PM

In light of Climategate the people that are participating in Copenhagen right now are the equivalent of Baghdad Bob.

Mormon Doc on December 17, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Why is it always the stooges that rob their country’s treasuries and declare themselves presidents for life are always the ones bashing capitalism?

jack herman on December 17, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Since Chavez’s socialism is so great, let him come up with the bucks for GW.

GarandFan on December 17, 2009 at 8:32 PM

List of 500 papers supporting AGW skepticism.

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

CWforFreedom on December 17, 2009 at 8:33 PM

Funniest part: The fact that they have to tell you that the applause was “deafening” in a subtitle since the audio evidence in the clip is a little underwhelming.

It all depends on how the area was miked.

Allahpundit on December 17, 2009 at 8:08 PM

And how well the guy could hear that submitted the report.

Mormon Doc on December 17, 2009 at 8:33 PM

Since Chavez’s socialism is so great, let him come up with the bucks for GW.

GarandFan on December 17, 2009 at 8:32 PM

The UNITED STATES so damaged his country that it will not be possible.

/

CWforFreedom on December 17, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Just for that I’m going to turn up my thermostat! (While it is still legal for me to do so.)

Mormon Doc on December 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM

And how well the guy could hear that submitted the report.

How could he hear anything significant with his head so far up his own a$$.

Beto Ochoa on December 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Lying is now an art form. I sure hope Obama makes some really good 2012 ads tomorrow.

The AGW fraud will be well understood by all by 2012.

tarpon on December 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM

so now a polite golf clap is deafening applause?

aic4ever on December 17, 2009 at 8:39 PM

So they are really applauding for the death of America, and our America-hater in chief will be in the middle of them. Thanks, stupid voters.

SouthernGent on December 17, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Hillary offered up $100 billion today.

albill on December 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Are you serious?

farright on December 17, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Well with Cankles promise of 100 Billion yankee tax payer dollars for Hugo and his brethren, the parrot brained despot better invite Hillary on down for a weekend of Venezuelan Va-Va-Voom!

dmann on December 17, 2009 at 8:46 PM

How could he hear anything significant with his head so far up his own a$$.

Beto Ochoa on December 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM

I see your point even though the person in question can’t.

Mormon Doc on December 17, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Hillary offered up $100 billion today.

albill on December 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how generous these people are with my money.

Mormon Doc on December 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Well with Cankles promise of 100 Billion yankee tax payer dollars for Hugo and his brethren, the parrot brained despot better invite Hillary on down for a weekend of Venezuelan Va-Va-Voom!

dmann on December 17, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Rush has an idea that we come up with an international excrement list. Any country that says anything bad about the US gets added to the list. Any country on the list gets no US aid. I wish we could implement something like this.

Mormon Doc on December 17, 2009 at 8:51 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how generous these people are with my money.

Mormon Doc on December 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM

I wonder if there is any way to stop payment on this check.

farright on December 17, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Anyone else find it odd that Chavez, who finances his revolution off the revenue of one of the world’s dirtiest, massive oil companies, is even speaking at Copenhagen?

No wonder he focused on capitalism instead of the environment.

Golden Boy on December 17, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Iowahawk weighs in:

The Miming is Settled: It Is Time To Take Forceful Antics Against Climate Change

The scientific evidence is everywhere we look — in our vanishing polar ice caps, in our melting greasepaint, in the way our lapel flowers struggle to squirt. Man-made climate change is upon us, and if we do not act at once Earth itself faces an immediate catastrophic ecological pie in the face.

As provost of the University of East Anglia’s cutting edge Centre for Climate Pantomimology, I work closely with multidisciplinary climate scientists, both within the University and in the clown science community at large. There can be no disputing the peer reviewed models that show the Earth’s temperature curving ever upwards, like the expanding tail of a tube balloon, propelled by mankind’s relentless exhalation of carbon dioxide. If we are to avoid the coming explosion, we must tie off the end of the balloon as soon as possible. Then we must carefully shepherd and shape the balloon as nature intended, perhaps as one of nature’s majestic balloon poodles.

Among climate clowns, scientific consensus

To underscore the seriousness of this global threat, the UCCSSP convened an emergency academic symposium in Copenhagen this week to present our latest peer reviewed findings in support of the COP15 climate accords. Dr. Jingles Hansen of the US Goddard Institute for Space Science gave the plenary address, further documenting climate change by pulling a shocking unbroken string of temperature station windsocks from his sleeve. He was followed by Professor Pif-Pif of the Brussels Institute of Geophysical Mime Modeling, who demonstrated how rising temperatures will leave man in an invisible box, struggling in vain against growing surface convection winds.
In light of these findings, the UCCSSP delegates passed a multipoint draft resolution calling for immediate action on clown-driven climate justice and sustainability. Protocols include:

By 2011, a mandatory 50% increase in minimum clown carpooling passenger loads.
Immediate reductions in wasteful shoe sizes.
Immediate replacement of carbonated seltzer water in all spritz bottles with recycled urine.
By 2013, an 80% increase in target levels for clown child abductions and murder.
A 300% increase in UN clown research funding, including first class upgrades on all junkets to international clown meetings.
Violent lunatic street rioting.

These conclusions were not only endorsed by the scientific and clown communities, but by a broad cross-section of experts across scholarly disciplines. Among these included the Association of People Dressed Up Like Polar Bears, The Organization of Hysterically Weeping Science Journalists, the EU Centre for Scientific Self-Immolation, Monarchs and Despots United for Scientific Gaia Worship, Ed Begley Jr., and the prestigious International Society of Scientists With Intense Daddy Issues. All of whom, I might add, have a minimum of 15 years in graduate school.

Despite such an overwhelming scientific consensus, enacting climate change regulations has proven difficult. On one side you will find the rational voices of the peer reviewed experts: scientists, scholars, clowns, lachrymose journalists, beloved dictators, former sitcom stars, rioting people in polar bear costume who start themselves on fire. On the other side are the anti-science denialists, funded by a secret cabal of economic interests.

Unfortunately, some members of the public have been duped by so-called “skepticlowns” like Shotgun and Spanky. They have cynically sought to shut down clown science by demanding that I reveal to them my raw climate data, when they damn well know doing so would violate the Sacred Science Law of the Clowns. Do not be deceived. Shotgun and Spanky have never worked in either a tenure track university or circus, and therefore do not have proper clown credentials. They are merely rodeo clowns, mercenaries for beef industry plutocrats like Ronald McDonald who are desperate to avoid restrictions on their precious methane.

I am confident, however, that this misconception will be corrected once the public has the real facts. I am now collaborating with Nobel Prize medalist Al Gore on a new 50 city three-ring awareness tour to assure the public that the miming is settled. Get your tickets online before December 31st and you’re automatically registered for a free carbon credit gift pack from Goreco!

And if that still isn’t enough to convince you that man-made climate change is scary? Then I’ll be happy to drop by your window sometime.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/12/the-miming-is-settled-it-is-time-to-take-forceful-antics-against-climate-change.html

Erich66 on December 17, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Climate craptologists long ago admitted that no matter what we do global warming can’t be avoided which just proves their scam has nothing to do with saving the planet and proves what changes in the climate there are is natural.

Of course admitting man made global warming is a big fat fraud then didn’t throw up any stop signs then for these grifters either.

Only when sane people take over the debate and the consequences will these disease go into remission.

Chavez just needs and richly deserves the Shaka Zulu treatment.

Speakup on December 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM

They have already declared capitalism dead. This Man Made Climate change lie is no more than tool to redistribute wealth. 100 Billion is just a start. They are running deficit up so quickly and ruining business, I now believe that they want to destroy our capitalist country by overwhelming it. We have not seen worse yet. Peoples unemployment benefits are running out. Many people live in homes worth much less than the balance on their loans. We are going to see a second round of bank failures, further unrest by the people, resulting in their excuse to declare marshal law and suspension of 2010 elections. I hope not. God Help US!!

Ed Laskie on December 17, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Hillary offered up $100 billion today.

albill on December 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM

BTW, that’s per year.

Fletch54 on December 17, 2009 at 9:00 PM

I am so sick of these people and their never ending doom saying.

And the idea that Chavez, the guy who basically owns Citgo would go to a global warming conference and rail against capitalism is just too bizarre for words.

Terrye on December 17, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Hillary offered up $100 billion today.

albill on December 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM

$100 billion A YEAR!

uknowmorethanme on December 17, 2009 at 9:01 PM

Chavez just needs and richly deserves the Shaka Zulu treatment.

Speakup on December 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Chavez will probably receive a Nobel winning fist-bump and a bag of cash tomorrow.

farright on December 17, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Ever notice how the high profile socialists (Moore, Chavez) are pretty hefty people?

ThePrez on December 17, 2009 at 9:08 PM

I wish that I could wake up and be told that this has all been just a terrible nightmare. The dummies that voted for this douche should be the ones that fund his socialist agenda. Where the f is the money coming from??!!

farright on December 17, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Where the f is the money coming from??!!

Ever notice how that deduction column of your pay stub keeps getting larger?

uknowmorethanme on December 17, 2009 at 9:18 PM

I don’t think Comrade Hugo was happy about warming up the audience for Chairman Maobama.

james23 on December 17, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Rush has an idea that we come up with an international excrement list. Any country that says anything bad about the US gets added to the list. Any country on the list gets no US aid. I wish we could implement something like this.

Mormon Doc on December 17, 2009 at 8:51 PM

That’ll have to wait until Osama Obama is removed from office.

Any country that makes the list would be run by the Chicago Jesus’s tight buddyroos.

MrScribbler on December 17, 2009 at 9:30 PM

How much longer do we the “good people” of America put up with all this abuse and insanity; be it global warming, nObamacare, creeping socialism, illegal immigration, a whole host of secular agendas, Islamic supremacy, the list goes on and on somehow enshrined in the all to slick moniker of Hope & Change…… Enough, fast approaches the moment of inertia after which there will be no stopping the juggernaut of truth and the inevitable call to stand the line.

dmann on December 17, 2009 at 9:36 PM

For a guy that wears tailor made suits and jets around the world in first class style, he sure seems to hate the idea of other people getting a taste of the finer things in life.

hawkdriver on December 17, 2009 at 9:40 PM

How much longer do we the “good people” of America put up with all this abuse and insanity;

dmann on December 17, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Till 2010

hawkdriver on December 17, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Chavez…I didn’t know that monkey poop could be stacked so high.

BottomLine5 on December 17, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Copenhagen today.

BL@KBIRD on December 17, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Preemptive panicking. Setting up future protesting and fundraising. Causes need a crisis.

There is nothing that will make environmentalists happy because the environment has absolutely nothing to do with why they are angry.

29Victor on December 17, 2009 at 10:11 PM

I have to say, I think the Copenhagen conference deserves a solid B+.

WisCon on December 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Love the new grading scale aka “The Obama Curve”.
Failure = B+

b3026 on December 17, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Chavez will probably receive a Nobel winning fist-bump and a bag of cash tomorrow.

farright on December 17, 2009 at 9:02 PM

He’s just an old bandito, there’s no reason to show him the slightest bit more respect than what comes from a pike.

Speakup on December 17, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Till 2010

hawkdriver on December 17, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Hawk, make sure your vote counts. We need it.

BottomLine5 on December 17, 2009 at 10:33 PM

If the whole world went communist, who would produce the things the people use all the time? Where would the poor immigrants migrate to if there is no capitalist nation to draw them? Would Hugo be pleased that the whole world would be in misery? I believe he and BO would be perfectly happy if the whole world was like Cuba and old East Germany.

garydt on December 17, 2009 at 10:58 PM

$100 billion A YEAR!

uknowmorethanme on December 17, 2009 at 9:01 PM

I had no idea that tickets to the circus were that much more than box seats at the Super Bowl.

Lily on December 17, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Here’s the beauty of Chavez and his rant. We all know where he gets his money, from the oil this conference wants to shut-off from production. The people buying his oil, for the most part, are the capitalists he was trashing. Chavez is more of a moron than Castro, since he derives his power from the money oil generates, Castro derived his power from a revolution against a corrupt dictator, big difference.

Oil production, in Venezuela is down, since Chavez took over and nationalized the oil industry. Without oil money, Chavez is just another vulnerable dictator waiting to be overthrown. He can rant all he wants, but facts is facts.

bflat879 on December 17, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Copenhagen: Meeting of the communist minds

UltimateBob on December 17, 2009 at 11:19 PM

If the whole world went communist, who would produce the things the people use all the time?

garydt on December 17, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Well, the people of Red China are pretty productive.

Of course, the workers there have guns to their heads, and are laboring under threat of execution if they slack off or screw up. I guess that works, too.

UltimateBob on December 17, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Hey doofus … quit wasting your time with this anthropogenic global warming nonsense.

If you want to tackle a REAL problem …….

STOP PLATE TECTONICS!

bannedbyhuffpo on December 18, 2009 at 12:46 AM

The lurking ghost of Capitalism…
The lingering sulfur scent of BushSatan…

Hugo is another frustrated poet, I fear.

Disturb the Universe on December 18, 2009 at 8:07 AM

If there was thunderous applause, I didn’t hear it. Played the clip twice, heard it on Limbaugh yesterday. No applause. If you’re going to post something like this, at least make sure the clip matches the headline. Sending that to a democRat is a waste of time. Get the clip with the applause.

Jarhead68 on December 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM

A paper leaked from, and confirmed to be authentic by, the U.N. (You Can Trust Us!)… calculates that even if all developed and developing nations keep their promises, atmospheric carbon concentrations would rise as high as 770 parts per million, and temperatures could rise 3°C by the end of the century. The upper safe zone in temperature rise, according to many scientists, is 2°C,…

To quote Chicken Little, “The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!

To quote Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991, “If we torture the data long enough, it will confess.”

Uniblogger on December 18, 2009 at 9:54 AM

When your attempt at recreating the Congress of Vienna with a third-rate cast of extras turns into a shambles, when the data with which you have tried to terrify the world is daily exposed as ever more phoney, when the blatant greed and self-interest of the participants has become obvious to all beholders, when those pesky polar bears just keep increasing and multiplying – what do you do?

No contest: stop issuing three rainforests of press releases every day, change the heading to James Bond-style “Do not distribute” and “leak” a single copy, in the knowledge that human nature is programmed to interest itself in anything it imagines it is not supposed to see, whereas it would bin the same document unread if it were distributed openly.

After that, get some unbiased, neutral observer [LOL], such as the executive director of Greenpeace, to say: “This is the single most important piece of paper in the world today.” Unfortunately, the response of all intelligent people will be to fall about laughing; but it was worth a try – everybody loves a tryer – and the climate alarmists are no longer in a position to pick and choose their tactics.

… too funny

J_Crater on December 18, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Speaking of squandering wealth, here’s the clip of Chavez receiving “deafening” applause inside the convention hall for dumping on capitalism.

I do have to say that Chavez cuts through the smokescreen, and goes to the heart of the issue, somewhere the other attendees are loathe to traverse. The entire movement is about socialism, not the climate.

Vashta.Nerada on December 18, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Capitalism built this country… how’s that socialism working out for yours? Your economy is smaller than most of our individual states.

Scrappy on December 17, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Yes, it is Scrappy, but not for long. These folks are winning the war in destroying America, in case you haven’t noticed – being on the right side doesn’t mean you win.

Don L on December 20, 2009 at 5:34 AM