Waterloo: Obama approval at 47 in new NBC poll, tea party more popular than Dems or GOP

posted at 8:01 pm on December 16, 2009 by Allahpundit

Tell me again about the great Democratic realignment.

For the first time, Obama’s overall job approval rating has fallen below 50 percent (to 47 percent). In addition, for the first time since Sept. 2007, a plurality (45 percent) sees the Democratic Party in a negative light. And the percentage believing the country is on the wrong track (55 percent) is at its highest level in the Obama presidency…

The entire Republican Party, moreover, continues to maintain a net-negative favorable/unfavorable rating, 28 percent to 43 percent.

But, for the first time in more than two years, the Democratic Party also now holds a net-negative rating, 35 percent to 45 percent.

By comparison, the conservative libertarian-leaning Tea Party movement has a net-positive 41 percent to 23 percent score in the poll.

We’ll get to the tea party in a minute, but first health care: 32/47, another new low, with a plurality saying for the first time that they prefer the status quo to ObamaCare (44/41). Quoth pollster Bill McInturff: “This is the survey where the wheels came off the bus.” Honestly, though: The wheels were never really on. Note the ceiling over time:

o-care

They never cracked 40 percent and now they’re so far gone that it’s essentially become a suicide mission. In fact, for the second day in a row, the only real bright spot on health care is the number that would have supported the now-dead Medicare buy-in. 58 percent say thumbs up, 32 percent say thumbs down. Let me know if and when someone dares to poll that question while listing potential adverse consequences or trade-offs.

As for the tea-party numbers, we already knew they were more popular than the GOP, but now, thanks to O-Care, they’ve lapped the Democrats too. Ironclad proof of a surge in fiscally conservative populism across the nation? Sure, to some extent. But this helps explain it too:

msnbc

The pro-tea-party megaphone at Fox is vastly larger than its hardcore anti counterpart at MSNBC. Although even MSNBC’s eleven viewers are more ambivalent about the movement than I would have guessed:

Yet looking inside those numbers, more than three-quarters (76 percent) of those who say FOX News is where they get their news see the Tea Party movement positively, versus just 4 percent who see it negatively.

That’s a stark contrast to how viewers of the competing cable networks CNN and MSNBC see the movement. More of those viewers have a negative opinion of it (36 percent) than a positive one (24 percent).

More teabagging jokes for Olby and Maddow, stat. Meanwhile, the GOP’s within two on the generic ballot, the closest its been in an NBC poll since a month before Bush’s reelection in 2004. (Another poll out today shows Republicans leading on the ballot.) There’s a partial explanation for that too:

indies

I’ll leave you with this post at Newsbusters showcasing a flustered Chris Matthews as he tries to explain away the tea party movement’s surprisingly strong numbers. Exit quotation:

MATTHEWS: Did you read the question though? It basically said, “Here’s a group of conservatives who get together who are concerned about high taxes.” Well what’s wrong with that?

TODD: That’s right.

MATTHEWS: It isn’t a bunch of screaming, crazy people yelling, like you see at these parties.


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47 percent?

And he isn’t even through his first year in office.

The Emperor has no clothes.

C’mon, people, open your eyes to the obvious.

coldwarrior on December 16, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Wow… though, I’m worried about the Tea Party thing.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:03 PM

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Worried? Really?

coldwarrior on December 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM

I watched both “Ed” and “Hardball” and it was pleasure to see them squirm over the polls. And to have to acknowledge the “tea-baggers” are steamrolling along straight towards them. And I can top watching “Ed” and “Hardball” – now I’m watching Olberdouche. He’s furious.

Marcus on December 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM

GOP: Embrace change or fail.

vinman on December 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Quoth

quoth–that’s a great word. Never heard of it, but likes it and shall cop it for future use.

ted c on December 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM

A massive realignment is in the works.

Cicero43 on December 16, 2009 at 8:05 PM

This is beautiful. Hold the line. Hold the line! They will come charging and just wait… wait… wait, then lift your spears.

This is a metaphor for political battle.

nitzsche on December 16, 2009 at 8:06 PM

thanks to O-Care, they’ve lapped the Democrats too.

(T) Party

ted c on December 16, 2009 at 8:06 PM

This is beautiful. Hold the line. Hold the line! They will come charging and just wait… wait… wait, then lift your spears.

This is a metaphor for political battle.

nitzsche on December 16, 2009 at 8:06 PM

dude; love the battle metaphors. It’s like william wallace and the boys out on the green fields with blue face paint.

ted c on December 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Wow… though, I’m worried about the Tea Party thing.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Why? I think it’s great and hope the GOP is paying attention.

Knucklehead on December 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Worried? Really?

coldwarrior on December 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM

I’ve been seeing tea party morph into Tea Party a lot lately, and the last thing we need is another Perot to hand this inept moron another term.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:08 PM

MATTHEWS: It isn’t a bunch of screaming, crazy people yelling, like you see at these parties.

Chris Mathews never allows reality to interfere with his preconceived ideas. Great trait for a commentator.

Cicero43 on December 16, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Ogabe is worried about the polls, he knew this would happen, it’s no big deal, not at all.

The chain-smoking, jittery hands, facial tics, mumbling to himself, no appetite, pacing the oval office in his underwear late at night….that’s all normal and has nothing to do with the polls that he doesn’t care about.

Bishop on December 16, 2009 at 8:08 PM

To those who didn’t watch Chris Matthews tonight (i.e., everyone): tonight in the discussion of the NBC polling data, be mentioned Sarah Palin. For the first time ever not a snarky comment; it was fear.

Marcus on December 16, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Marcus on December 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Turn off the TV and you’ll cut MSNBC’s rating by 10%.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:09 PM

SARAH!

turfmann on December 16, 2009 at 8:10 PM

GOP: Embrace change or fail.

vinman on December 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM

TOO LATE!

Fletch54 on December 16, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Wha-what happened to The Thousand Year Democrat Reich?

Django on December 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Yes We Can!!

njpat on December 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM

I live in Alexandria, within sight of the Masonic Memorial. I was wondering where that stench of desperation was coming from.

highhopes on December 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM

This is a metaphor for political battle.
nitzsche on December 16, 2009 at 8:06 PM

I love it when people start these, can I add one?

“Now Maitland! Now is your time!”

Bishop on December 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM

The chain-smoking, jittery hands, facial tics, mumbling to himself, no appetite, pacing the oval office in his underwear late at night….that’s all normal and has nothing to do with the polls that he doesn’t care about.

Bishop on December 16, 2009 at 8:08 PM

..don’t forget that annoying teeth-whistle he has when he speaks.

VoyskaPVO on December 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM


MATTHEWS: It isn’t a bunch of screaming, crazy people yelling, like you see at these parties.

Idiot, the ‘screaming crazy people’ are the lefty morons freezing their butts off at a global warming rally, or the oh so peeeeeaceful anti-war hippies who clash with police and break windows to steal merchandise, or the Earth Day fools who leaves mountains of trash all over Mother Gaia.

Tony737 on December 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Next stop for Ogabe…40%…right around mid-February or early March. I wonder how much longer until the MSM decisively turns on him?

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM

James Carville, how’s that 40 year Democrat Governing Majority going for ya, buddy?

BWWAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!!!!

Brian1972 on December 16, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Today just gets better and better!

katy the mean old lady on December 16, 2009 at 8:14 PM

I’ve been seeing tea party morph into Tea Party a lot lately, and the last thing we need is another Perot to hand this inept moron another term.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:08 PM

We need a Tea Party Movement (TPM). Not a new party but, rather honest brokers who can be swing voters in close elections. The TPM should not be aligned with either party but, rather, endorse the candidate that best reflects the values of the movement. In this way they could make the most impact on the political scene.

highhopes on December 16, 2009 at 8:14 PM

What’s with this Ogabe nonsense? Is there actually any non-racist reason to not just call him “Obama” like normal, intelligent people?

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:14 PM

I’ve been seeing tea party morph into Tea Party a lot lately, and the last thing we need is another Perot to hand this inept moron another term.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:08 PM

I agree with you, however, on the “glass half full” perspective, the tea party movement with all of it’s supporters dem/repub/or indie is resonating with the GOP and I think that they are starting to really pay attention to the fact that we are paying attention and they maybe, just maybe change their evil ways. I don’t believe that it is a call for a third party, I think it is a warning that if they don’t start listening to “we the people” we will go 3rd party and take the independents with us.
A shot across the bow if you will.

milwife88 on December 16, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Wow. Matthews is so lame. Even if is love boy, Barry, gets some sort of reprieve, I give Chris-Piss about one more year of air time.

What a tool. I could almost feel sorry for him…. NOT!

So yesterday, so yesterday….

Bets, anyone?

Cody1991 on December 16, 2009 at 8:15 PM

We need a Tea Party Movement (TPM). Not a new party but, rather honest brokers who can be swing voters in close elections.

highhopes on December 16, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Sure, but they are being compared to Democrats and Republicans. The trend is disturbing and I suspect the tea parties are going to morph into something that guarentees Obama his second term.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Marcus on December 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Turn off the TV and you’ll cut MSNBC’s rating by 10%.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Before the “KILL. THIS. BILL. SIR. !” Speshul Komment? Never!

Marcus on December 16, 2009 at 8:17 PM

CALIPHATE BREAKING NEWS!!!!

The Grand and Merciful Caliph Barack will not be swayed by the masses of the unwashed. His Chinese masters, Lord Soros and the other Global interests will not be hindered. They have invested their money and interests in him.

This Global New World Order will not be stopped. Let’s see if they call the U.S. Debt and force an economic “crisis” that lets’ his beneficiance use his Executive Order power to do the dirty deed.

Folks……a pissed Caliph is the most dangerous kind!!!

PappyD61 on December 16, 2009 at 8:17 PM

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Ross Perot was a self-created candidate with no real party or movement behind him. It was then all about Ross Perot. And, though he was a Texas financial wizard [for the time] he had not one clue about how representational politics operated. He was, back in 1992 one of the first media-candidates. Nothing more. His 1996 attempt was even more pathetic.

Jump forward to today.

Those who supported the tea parties, and support the simple message of the so-called Tea Party have grown into a viable movement. The GOP cannot ignore them, nor can it try to become one with them…unless the GOP makes the firm decision to hold to its fundamental principles. Thus far, the GOP has eschewed that choice.

If enough American citizens become irritated enough at the stupidity of their elected representatives [from both parties] this tea party can grow, easily, into a wide-spread and widely supported “third party” and the traditional first two parties will find themselves hard-pressed to do anything about it…except cry and moan from the sidelines as their incumbancies are shattered.

What we are seeing in the “tea party” movement goes back to the founding of the major parties in the 19th century and the remaking of both parties in the 1960′s. If the people of these United States can by themselves find a better solution to a long-standing problem…the professional politicians can either lead, or follow, or get the hell out of the way.

coldwarrior on December 16, 2009 at 8:18 PM

You’re Invited:

To the 2nd Historical Election

November, 2010

Hosted By: We, The People

TN Mom on December 16, 2009 at 8:19 PM

What’s with this Ogabe nonsense? Is there actually any non-racist reason to not just call him “Obama” like normal, intelligent people?

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Yes…Robert Mugabe…the guy who’s economic policies most resemble.

Thanks for playing the race card.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:20 PM

What’s with this Ogabe nonsense? Is there actually any non-racist reason to not just call him “Obama” like normal, intelligent people?
DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Yah, what else could it be except racism? OWWW! My knee just jerked….sorry about that.

How about fiscal policy? Is that ok or is there a bigoted message in there too?

Bishop on December 16, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Next stop for Ogabe…40%…right around mid-February or early March. I wonder how much longer until the MSM decisively turns on him?

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM

IMO, he’ll never get below 42% or so. Some of his supporters are so stupid they are still defending him by one of two categories 1) The opposition to Obama is nothing but whites who are upset that a black man is successful or 2) He’s doing a great job and it is only the right-wing media that is attacking him.

Most importantly, however, is that many of his original supporters will never admit their failure to pollsters. They will poll far differently than they really believe.

highhopes on December 16, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Is Matthews starting to pull his head out of his ass?

GarandFan on December 16, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Polls keep a fallin’ on my head
And just like the guy whose wife’s butt is to too big for his bed
Nothin’ seems to fit
Those polls are a fallin’ on my head, they keep fallin’

So I just did me some talkin’ to Emanuel
And he said we’d just get conservative bloggers to give Sarah Palin some more Hell
Get others to do our that job
Those polls are fallin’ on my head, they keep fallin’

But there’s one thing I know
The blues polls send to meet me won’t defeat me
It won’t be long till Marxist happiness steps up to greet me

Polls keep a fallin’ on my head
But that doesn’t mean the country will soon be turnin’ conservative red
Losin’s not for me
‘Cause I’m never gonna stop the polls by complainin’
Because I’m conscience free
Along with the Constitution, they’ll just get the deep six from me

MB4 on December 16, 2009 at 8:21 PM

GarandFan on December 16, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Don’t hold yer breath on that one, GF, it’ll take a long long time to accomplish. But, it does seem to be a start.

coldwarrior on December 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM

ted c on December 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!’
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.’

http://www.heise.de/ix/raven/Literature/Lore/TheRaven.html

CK MacLeod on December 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Tell me again about the great Democratic realignment.

Well, currently it’s shape is about midway between that of a pretzel and a trombone.

MB4 on December 16, 2009 at 8:23 PM

One senses the storm clouds forming on the horizon — even Matthews — and it looks to be very dark and very ominous.

While tingle-pants was being a little snarky (God! I hate that word) there was almost a sense that he was on the precipice of bagging on his beloved Pantload-in-Chief. I gave him a good, solid B+.

When the ratings dip some more (I’m guessing 38-40%) then the media will turn on him because that will be the bread-and-butter story, the theme that sells papers, magazines, denture commercials, and laxatives.

And it will be a vicious feeding frenzy — a bloodbath — because he will have flushed their one big wet dream of a liberal nirvana down the glory hole for decades to come.

VoyskaPVO on December 16, 2009 at 8:25 PM

The Emperor has no clothes.

C’mon, people, open your eyes to the obvious.

coldwarrior on December 16, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Eeeew…..Ok, but only if they use the smudgey effect on the groin area.

Intrepid on December 16, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Yes…Robert Mugabe…the guy who’s economic policies most resemble.

Thanks for playing the race card.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:20 PM

It’s not “playing the race card” when you are pointing out racist behavior. If you want to claim that it is due to someone with similar economic policies, then use someone who has comparable economic policies… like Carter.

Much like the previous fad of insisting on including his middle name–even when it was awkward and completely unwarranted in context–because it sounded foreign, this is transparently bigoted. You have no idea, apparently, how badly you come across by defending that nonsense.

If you want to defend it or even partake, so be it, but don’t accuse mature, non-bigots of “playing the race card” when they object.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Are they still polling 10-14% more Dems than Reps?

El_Terrible on December 16, 2009 at 8:27 PM

IMO, he’ll never get below 42% or so.

Double dip recession, energy shock, military disaster, corruption scandal, or some combination… it might take something worse than Watergate to get him below 30%, but all things are possible in this best and worst of all possible worlds.

A failed pivot to the right could do it, too, which might be one reason he doesn’t try it, apart from whatever real ideological commitments he maintains.

CK MacLeod on December 16, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Yep, just like global warming…
The cries of “the Republican party is over, done with” was a bit premature and based on false premises.
How soon the dems have fallen, at least it took 8 years for President Bush, with this guy, Obama, it took just a matter of months…

right2bright on December 16, 2009 at 8:27 PM

The B+ was obviously from a public school perspective…

right2bright on December 16, 2009 at 8:28 PM

If you want to defend it or even partake, so be it, but don’t accuse mature, non-bigots of “playing the race card” when they object.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Aren’t you special?

What was racist about it…enlighten us oh mature, non-bigot.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:28 PM

One senses the storm clouds forming on the horizon — even Matthews — and it looks to be very dark and very ominous.

VoyskaPVO on December 16, 2009 at 8:25 PM

There are rumors, only rumors of course, that now when Chris Matthews goes into the bathroom with a picture of Obama he comes out in only about a minute. Something to do with premature obamaculation or something.

MB4 on December 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Those who supported the tea parties, and support the simple message of the so-called Tea Party have grown into a viable movement.

coldwarrior on December 16, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Yes, that’s fabulous and I agree. I’m just saying I don’t like this sudden emergence of this “tea party” as “Tea Party” narrative.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM

..don’t forget that annoying teeth-whistle he has when he speaks.

VoyskaPVO on December 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Oh. You noticed, too? lol It’s really sickening. I always expect that silly thing with hissing ‘sssssss………’ to be accompanied with a flick of finger bling.

Guess it’s that ‘community organizer’ talk. Or maybe it was the Rev. Wright touch? He loves to hang on to his “sssss…”

I always thought that was a junkie/pimp thing.

Cody1991 on December 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Intrepid on December 16, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Somehow the graphic image you have highlighted seems a bit lurid, if not just plain ugly. :-)

Nevertheless…

When is the rest of America going to wake up and see that their elected King was fundamentally flawed from the start and is becoming more flawed as each day passes, at our national expense and millions of us tried to convey that warning long before the November ’08 election?

coldwarrior on December 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Any inside the beltway genius want to well me again about how a third party can’t win ? We’re ahead and we aren’t even running yet. Where’s Newt ? Seems like a potent election concoction to me…just add Sarah.

johngalt on December 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Eeeew…..Ok, but only if they use the smudgey effect on the groin area.

Intrepid on December 16, 2009 at 8:25 PM

..the folks over at HillBuzz beat you to it, as it were..

VoyskaPVO on December 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

These poll numbers will be taking their toll on glorious Obama-mao’s emotions…Soon he will get that pinched look like he just got caught humping the neighbor’s cat…

Nozzle on December 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Man, you certainly do decipher a lot from a simple moniker given to a politician by anonymous posters on a blog.

Would it be racist if someone, say like me or AUINSC for instance, were black, would it still be racism or are you being a racist for automatically thinking we’re caucasian?

Bishop on December 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

They’re flying the red flag of Deguello? Really!? Alright!!

McBride on December 16, 2009 at 8:31 PM

What was racist about it…enlighten us oh mature, non-bigot.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Jesus Christ, as if you don’t know.

On the flip side, I would just love to hear you try to make some educated defense of why it’s necessary, fitting, or even just “funny” in you own mind. I think it makes the 2 or 3 lowest-common-denominator types who say it sound incredibly unintelligent, so here’s your chance to redeem yourself, and maybe sound like a slightly less immature and despicable idiot.

Go!

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:32 PM

IMO, he’ll never get below 42% or so.

highhopes on December 16, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Maybe…but I think that hard-core number is closer to 37%…the far-left and the single-issue racial-identity voters.

The pain is going to get much worse…even the big labor union vote will eventually soften.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Hey, anyone notice the advertisement at the top of the page? National Tea Party Convention in Nashville, TN Feb 4-6. You might want to make reservations now.

milwife88 on December 16, 2009 at 8:33 PM

I always thought that was a junkie/pimp thing.

Cody1991 on December 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Cody, he doesn’t do it all the time; it seems just when he is trying to sound extra important or extra serious or sumpin’ but it sure as heck is a poker tell.

And it is about as annoying as having someone root around in tone of their nostrils whilst talking to you.

VoyskaPVO on December 16, 2009 at 8:33 PM

Maybe…but I think that hard-core number is closer to 37%…the far-left and the single-issue racial-identity 93% black voters.

The pain is going to get much worse…even the big labor union vote will eventually soften.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:32 PM

FIFY.

VoyskaPVO on December 16, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Is Matthews starting to pull his head out of his ass?

GarandFan on December 16, 2009 at 8:20 PM

He has to. His tingly leg has gone AWOL and in that particular position it is tough to balance.

highhopes on December 16, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Drudge is showing no mercy tonight. Check out the new pic of Pelosi.

DrStock on December 16, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Today just gets better and better!

katy the mean old lady on December 16, 2009 at 8:14 PM

I’ve been saying that all day! Good thing too, because I ran out of whiskey!

lovingmyUSA on December 16, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Jesus Christ, as if you don’t know.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Great answer!

Is it because Mugabe is happens to be black? I think it is! I know you’ve already made your judgment. I don’t care. Do I have to compare him to Jimmy Carter to make more more comfortable because Carter is white? I explained my position and you just punted with some pathetic PC, ‘I’m more enlightened than you’ line.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Eeeew…..Ok, but only if they use the smudgey effect on the groin area.

Intrepid on December 16, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Adam was a gentleman in Eden!
Though his body was admired
You will grant the adding of a fig leaf was inspired!

PercyB on December 16, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Would it be racist if someone, say like me or AUINSC for instance, were black, would it still be racism or are you being a racist for automatically thinking we’re caucasian?

Bishop on December 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

I think bigoted and ignorant are better words. There are a lot of people–not really the bright types, but they are there–who think that since his father was Kenyan, then somehow that makes gratuitous references to some of the more “primitive” aspects of African cultures somehow witty or relevant. His dad is from Africa? Wow, he’s a lot like Mugabe or a witch doctor with a bone through his nose, isn’t he?

I mean, these people (you?!?) don’t make pictures of Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton as witch doctors, or slightly modify their names to sound similar to that of some African dictator with whom they have a passing political resemblance, at best. That makes it, at worst, clearly and explicitly racial. At best, it is culturally ignorant. In either case, they aren’t the sort of people that most people at Hotair want to associate with.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Beta males don’t make great presidents. Americans don’t like leaders that appear weak and refuse to lead. Obama hasn’t offered any hard plan of what he wants healthcare to look like. He comes out and supports any legislation that Reid or Pelosi can come up with, which changes daily. I just can’t understand why Obama would tie his political fortunes so tightly to obamacare, and not make any attempt to shape it. As spokesmen go he is a mercenary, Billy Mays as opposed to Col. Sanders or Dave Thomas.

Daveyardbird on December 16, 2009 at 8:38 PM

People may say that they like the Tea Party movement better than either the Democrats or Republicans, but the truth is those people are more likely to vote GOP, simply because the GOP is more likely to embrace more of the ideas of limited government and fiscal sanity. It is a reminder to both parties, however, that people are tired of the politicians.

Terrye on December 16, 2009 at 8:39 PM

From looking at the comments, I guess most people aren’t worried about the seeming disinterest in polling shown by Osama Obama and his band of totalitarian, greedy thugs.

It seems to me there has to be some reason that they are hitching their wagons to the Red Star of a Sovietized America, rushing headlong to wipe out the economy, expropriate industries and gain power over out healthcare decisions.

In short, they wouldn’t do it if they didn’t know something we don’t know.

2010 elections? Don’t be so sure we will — or will be able to — cast out the devils in D.C.

MrScribbler on December 16, 2009 at 8:39 PM

I can’t stop watching MSNBC…. they are ALL in full panic mode right now… I LOVE IT!

BPD on December 16, 2009 at 8:39 PM

milwife88 on December 16, 2009 at 8:15 PM

If things keep going like this, the GOP will be the third party not the Tea Party.

behiker on December 16, 2009 at 8:40 PM

More teabagging jokes for Olby and Maddow, stat.

Just give them the FINGER!

Now, this 37% single issue race identity, ie, black~can you imagine~you’ve waited all your life to see a black man or woman in the WH and you get obama? What a shame.
Pretty soon, I imagine those single issue voters are going to be reminding all of us he is only half black.

HornetSting on December 16, 2009 at 8:40 PM

FIFY.

VoyskaPVO on December 16, 2009 at 8:35 PM

It’s not just the overwhelming black vote…there are a portion of white voters who vote for Obama for the same reason.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:41 PM

If you want to defend it or even partake, so be it, but don’t accuse mature, non-bigots of “playing the race card” when they object.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Aren’t you special?

What was racist about it…enlighten us oh mature, non-bigot.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:28 PM

The Race Card is the most rapid-fire all purpose ad hominem and vapid weapon of smear, mass deception and diversion ever conceived by man. It is a weapon under which weak minds are servilely crouched and can be fired with the greatest of ease by even the most intellectually and sanity challenged, and in fact, was designed especially for use by them. It is void of justice. It is void of liberty. It needs no footing in rationality. It has no expiration date. It doesn’t even appear to have a half life. There are those who theorize that it may continue to exist indefinitely in some form even after time itself has come to an end.

MB4 on December 16, 2009 at 8:42 PM

coldwarrior on December 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Dunno, CW. Looks like several libs are starting to wake up after they saw Obama was not getting his hands dirty in the healthcare mess and instead was allowing the libs/dems in the house and senate to spend their own political capital. See John Conyers’ (D-MI) and what’s his name Weiner from New York.

He’s also getting hit by late-night comics now, which in the grand scheme of things isn’t much, but at least it’s happening.

I’m encouraged by the huge fall in his poll numbers in the first 11 months of his term.

His most ardent fans/worshipers will never see him as anything but “historic” and “unprecedented”, but the scales have begun flying off the eyes of the Bush fatigue voters and the “What the hell? I’ll vote for the history maker” voters.

Intrepid on December 16, 2009 at 8:42 PM

TN Mom on December 16, 2009 at 8:19 PM

*Sniff…*

lovingmyUSA on December 16, 2009 at 8:42 PM

If you want to defend it or even partake, so be it, but don’t accuse mature, non-bigots of “playing the race card” when they object.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM

‘Partake’. eh? How arch, effete, and strained. Your slip is showing, Dave: Good things about the Right perturb and distress you.

I wonder why that is……..

Janos Hunyadi on December 16, 2009 at 8:42 PM

The people get what they vote for.

Oh well.

BowHuntingTexas on December 16, 2009 at 8:43 PM

I mean, these people (you?!?) don’t make pictures of Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton as witch doctors, or slightly modify their names to sound similar to that of some African dictator with whom they have a passing political resemblance, at best. That makes it, at worst, clearly and explicitly racial. At best, it is culturally ignorant. In either case, they aren’t the sort of people that most people at Hotair want to associate with.
DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Kind of hard to add pics here at HA, maybe you’ve noticed so that argument is baseless.

You obviously see racism everywhere you look instead of understanding that others may have a gallows-type humor that is fed by linking the disaster which is Robert Mugabe and that which is Barack Obama. They’re both black, yessir, so what?

Bishop on December 16, 2009 at 8:44 PM

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Barack Hussein Obama…mmmn,mmmn,mmmn.

Hope that did’t offend you. Actually he’s making Mugabe look good.

katy the mean old lady on December 16, 2009 at 8:44 PM

A

ny inside the beltway genius want to well me again about how a third party can’t win ? We’re ahead and we aren’t even running yet. Where’s Newt ? Seems like a potent election concoction to me…just add Sarah.

johngalt on December 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

I am not inside the beltway and I don’t think a third party can win, in fact the Sarah you mentioned is not part of a third party, she is a Republican.

There is no Tea Party movement, no leaders, no politicians, no big platform voted on by delegates, no representatives from districts voted in to office by the citizens…they are not a political party, they are a movement.

Movements do a good job of changing policy and driving politics in one way or the other, but they do not often make good political parties, as soon as they try the infighting and the divisions begin.

The truth is the Tea Party people are far more likely to be Republican or Republican leaning Independents who are letting both parties know that they have enough of this nonsense. But I think the GOP is more likely to listen.

Terrye on December 16, 2009 at 8:44 PM

A sleeping Giant has been awakened and is now preparing to go on an electoral rampage that is going to lay waste to quite a few prominent political careers in both major political parties. Yes my friends the worm has most definitely turned.

Hellrider on December 16, 2009 at 8:45 PM

The Tea Party is nothing more than good conservative and tradisional American people and the sooner the Rep.Party realizes this and embraces the movement the better.This is also a signal to the Rep party leadership.We will no longer just vote for a person just because he or she has a R before there name.No longer will we be mr. nice guy we will fight for what is right.Last but not least NO MORE RINO,S.

thmcbb on December 16, 2009 at 8:45 PM

I can’t stop watching MSNBC….

BPD on December 16, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Boy that’s one to file under “things no one’s ever said” right after “what do you think Janet Reno’s wearing under there?”

Chuck Schick on December 16, 2009 at 8:45 PM

There is no Tea Party movement,

excuse my sloppiness, this should have been there is no Tea Party political party, not movement, obviously there is indeed a movement.

Terrye on December 16, 2009 at 8:46 PM

These poll numbers will be taking their toll on glorious Obama-mao’s emotions…Soon he will get that pinched look like he just got caught humping the neighbor’s cat…

Nozzle on December 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Thanks for the laugh! :))

BO explained in one of his books how he manipulated people. That’s what he’s always done.

The difference is that while he might have been able accomplish that on small scale, it’s virtually impossible to do on a grand scale. INOW, you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.

He’s terribly small-minded and provincial. To make matters worse, he can’t stand Middle America. It’s so obvious. But we have a lot of power, and it’s beginning to wear on Barry and his team. That’s why they deny the number of people who demonstrated in DC on 9/12. They ignore Middle America in all policy decisions, and they will sock us with endless taxes to fund their folly.

They hate us, but they cannot exist without us. Socialists are such incredible fools.

The bottom line with this administration is that they are pure Alinsky, intent on destroying the independent Middle Class.

Cody1991 on December 16, 2009 at 8:46 PM

I mean, these people (you?!?) don’t make pictures of Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton as witch doctors, or slightly modify their names to sound similar to that of some African dictator with whom they have a passing political resemblance, at best. That makes it, at worst, clearly and explicitly racial. At best, it is culturally ignorant. In either case, they aren’t the sort of people that most people at Hotair want to associate with.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:38 PM

You can twist yourself into as many knots as you want to…it was exactly as Bishop and I described it. If you want to feel morally superior at my expense, don’t expect me to just roll over and take it. You sound like a hyper-sensitive, lefty buffoon.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:46 PM

The Tea Party is going to become the MoveOn of the right… imho.

BPD on December 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM

If you want to defend it or even partake, so be it, but don’t accuse mature, non-bigots of “playing the race card” when they object.

DaveS on December 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Aren’t you special?

What was racist about it…enlighten us oh mature, non-bigot.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Too bad DaveS didn’t listen to Colonel West’s speech~that was refreshing and a great way to kick off the new GOP!

HornetSting on December 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Dave S. = liberal moby

Django on December 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Barackito Obamaolini. Have I just insulted Italians again?

MB4 on December 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM

A failed pivot to the right could do it, too, which might be one reason he doesn’t try it, apart from whatever real ideological commitments he maintains.

CK MacLeod on December 16, 2009 at 8:27 PM

I’m not sure he really is committed to any particular position other than maintaining his own political power. If he doesn’t pivot to the right it is because he realizes that the outrage from the left is more detrimental to the supposed father of Michelle’s kids than he would gain by doing so. Make no mistake, there is a distinct air of desperation in the Dem camp right now even though they will most likely be able to bully through some version of state seizure of healthcare. They know that by doing so will cause collateral damage with the public who is not enamored with the idea of nationalizing healthcare by bold strokes with the promise to come back for the stuff left behind (single payer, funding abortion, raiding Medicare, etc.). I honestly think the Dem leadership is willing to write off some of their own caucus in order to pass this legislation and the agnst in the Dem Party this week has been over who is actually going to be expected to take the bullet for Obamacare.

Maybe…but I think that hard-core number is closer to 37%…the far-left and the single-issue racial-identity voters.

The pain is going to get much worse…even the big labor union vote will eventually soften.

AUINSC on December 16, 2009 at 8:32 PM

The hard-core number is probably even less than that but how many enlightened liberals who were gushing over this man just a few months ago are going to be willing to tell a pollster that they screwed up? The filthy lying coward in the White House gets a break in the polling because he is an affirmative action hire and they aren’t held to the same standards as those really qualified for the job.

If Obama begins to lose the union support, game over. It is far too much part of his political strategy that organized labor and organized thuggery (a combination of unions, ACORN, and Rahm Emanuel threatening to pull Air Force bases out of Omaha) keep the supporters in line.

highhopes on December 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Seems like this 3rd party movement pops up every decade or so.

John Anderson in 1980, Perot in ’92, now the Tea Partiers. Seems to be gaining a little more popularity this time around.

I don’t think there is much doubt Palin is the Tea Party candidate since she is the keynote speaker at the first national convention (although the actual movement and it’s official founders and events are open for debate IMO).

Mr Purple on December 16, 2009 at 8:49 PM

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