Coburn fires warning shot across Senate Democrats’ bow; Update: DeMint joins Coburn, video statement added; Update: DeMint threatens to do the same to entire bill
posted at 12:55 pm on December 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Earlier today, Senator Bernie Sanders introduced an amendment to the Reid version of ObamaCare that would have established a single-payer health-care system in the US. No one expected this to go anywhere; in fact, most people shrugged at its introduction as simply a sop, especially since the public option and Medicare buy-in couldn’t get 60 votes, let alone an explicit single-payer system. However, Tom Coburn made it into news by following through on a warning from last month, as Philip Klein reports:
Sen. Tom Coburn has just demanded that the Senate clerk read the single-payer amendment offered by Sen. Bernie Sanders — and it’s 767 pages.
Typically, Senators offering amendments will ask for unanimous consent to avoid reading the entire meausure, but all it takes is one Senator to object to demand its reading, and Coburn objected to Sanders attempt to dispense with the reading of the amendment.
This is transparency in action.
The Senate’s chief socialist, Bernie Sanders, offered a single-payer health care amendment. It would open Medicare to all regardless of age, income, etc., and would be paid through higher income taxes. The normal procedure on the Senate floor would have been to dispense with the reading of the amendment. But “to alert taxpayers to this latest Washington scheme to take away your health care decisions,” Senator Coburn’s office writes, Sen. Coburn demanded that the full text of the 767 page Sanders amendment be read by the Senate clerk. …
Big Nanny dreams and schemes laid bare.
It took eighteen minutes just to get through the table of contents … for an amendment. Philip says the pace picked up a bit afterward, and the entire amendment could be read within about 12 hours. That’s twelve hours of floor time, assuming Coburn keeps withholding unanimous consent.
What does this do? It makes a hash out of Harry Reid’s plan to move the bill through the Senate by Christmas. Twelve hours of floor time for just a single amendment means that no other business can be conducted until at least Friday. Coburn apparently launched this effort in response to an attempt by Reid to shove the bill to a cloture vote without giving everyone enough time to read the bill or peruse the CBO analysis, due this week.
It’s a reminder that even with a supermajority, Reid needs to work with the minority to keep momentum. He can’t pull a Nancy Pelosi jamdown in the upper chamber, and any further attempts will mean weeks of bill reading as the legislation effectively filibusters itself.
Update: Watch it here.
Update II: Here’s Corburn’s statement before the reading, and Max Baucus’ response::
“I cannot certify that members of the Senate can understand what they’re reading.”
Hence, Coburn’s effort to force the reading. Baucus objected to Coburn’s proposal, and now Coburn’s objecting to unanimous consent to dispense with the reading of the bill. Jim DeMint has joined Coburn:
“Democrats are playing a bait and switch trick — wasting our time debating a bill they’ve rejected while writing a new one in secret. Right now, behind closed doors, Democrats are writing a brand new bill, thousands of pages long, and want to rush it through before Christmas.”
“Americans are tired of watching their leaders in Washington pass bills they haven’t even bothered to read,” said Senator DeMint. “If Senator Reid won’t slow down this debate, we will do it for him. This bill allows the federal government to take over our health care system, and it must be stopped. We will use whatever procedural tools are necessary to defeat this bill.”
Update IV: According to HA reader Hannah B, DeMint just announced that he would force a reading of the entire bill, too.










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Actually, I think that EVERY senator has the right to demand that a bill be read at any time. So technically, the entire bill could be read 40 times if all the Republicans were to request it. Can anyone else confirm this?
CultureWar on December 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Franken/Klobuchar
Game over :)
gophergirl on December 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM
That situation can’t happen, as Democrats control what amendments come to the floor. So Republicans can’t propose a 10k amendment and then request it being read–unless the Democrats were stupid enough to allow it to come to the floor.
On second thought, it may be possible seeing as how they don’t have the mental capacity to certify they understood what they read.
Enoxo on December 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM
They should make Leiberman read the amendment. That guy talks so slow, we’ll be here til February.
Doughboy on December 16, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Better..uhmmm yet.(puase for effect)That uhmm, that they uhmmm, make the Obamanable uhmm, Snowman read this. So uhmmm, it can be interspersed with the uhmm, let me be perfectly clears, Uhmmm as I’ve always saids, uhmmm and uhmmm, some might says, etcetra, etcetra.
Uhhmm, ad nauseum!
Archimedes on December 16, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Maybe if a reading on the floor was required of all bills they wouldn’t make them 2000 freaking pages long. Sheesh…
laurakbarr on December 16, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Not only should they read the whole damned thing out loud, but any Senator who wants to vote on the bill should be required to sit and listen to the whole thing. Watch how short the bills get when THAT happens.
gordo on December 16, 2009 at 1:58 PM
I have dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks Junior Casey and Cryptkeeper Specter.
Wethal on December 16, 2009 at 1:58 PM
And that is not a bad thing.
Sir Napsalot on December 16, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Beware the charge of obstructionism.
Mew
acat on December 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM
BRING THIS SUCKER DOWN!!!!!!
KILL THE BILL!!!!
KILL THE BILL!!!!
SAVE GRANNY & JUST KILL THE BILL!!!!
FINALLY SOMEONE IN CONGRESS TO HAVE THE CAJONES TO STOP THIS THING!!!!!!
PappyD61 on December 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the US Senate Rules require that every bill be read Three Times prior to Vote?
If that were the case, they could drag this thing out for weeks and weeks if it were done with each new amendment.
Tyrs Fury on December 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM
hopefully they will finish reading around the end of 2012!
poppieseeds on December 16, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Aaaaaaaand clerk switch.
Possibly even slower than the last guy??? :-o
Abby Adams on December 16, 2009 at 2:02 PM
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. Awesome.
Chuck Schick on December 16, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Go find out who BadgerHawk is, before you embarrass yourself further.
Schadenfreude on December 16, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Yeah, he is a bit slower.
Enoxo on December 16, 2009 at 2:03 PM
AOSHQ. Which has the flaming skull up. And notes that the manager’s amendment Harry is going to introduce will no doubt get the same treatment.
Coburn and DeMint are not going rogue, so to speak.
Wethal on December 16, 2009 at 2:03 PM
I think we just found a potential running mate for President Palin.
royzer on December 16, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Onto page 58!
Abby Adams on December 16, 2009 at 2:03 PM
How long will it take to read the 700 pages? 12 hours doesn’t seem like much.
El_Terrible on December 16, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Suppose he’s a conservative?
Schadenfreude on December 16, 2009 at 2:04 PM
There’s some stiff competition, but you might win.
That’s comforting, although they did allow the amendment to come up when the threat of unanimous consent has been floating around for months, so who knows what the hell they’re thinking.
So as long as the GOP can keep the bills fairly short once they eventually regain control (a good idea anyway), the downside to this is limited.
BadgerHawk on December 16, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Looks like we could have some pretty spirited competition in the “worst blue state senators” derby. I still think mine (IL) are horrible, but I’ll concede the others have made a good case.
jwolf on December 16, 2009 at 2:05 PM
I now owe Sen. Tom Coburn a bag of cough drops.
Anyone know the address to his office in DC?
Chaz706 on December 16, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Barry has probably smoked 4 packs…or maybe something else…today.
kingsjester on December 16, 2009 at 2:06 PM
No problems with this, true conservatives shouldn’t ever be submitting 700+ page amendments to start with. For that matter they shouldn’t be submitting 200+ pages of anything.
If they are, then they are pulling stunts just like the Dems and deserve to get kneecapped
Sugarbuzz on December 16, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Righties are the thinkers.
Lefties are the feelers.
Schadenfreude on December 16, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Higher income taxes?
Senator Sanders I ALREADY HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE AND AM SICK AND TIRED OF SACRIFICING MY FAMILY’S INTERESTS TO SUPPORT THIS NATION’S PARASITE CLASS. FU, FU, FU, FU ,FU YOU GD MARXIST SOB.
I’m really angry today.
DerKrieger on December 16, 2009 at 2:07 PM
I bet Odumbass is throwing a hissy fit or out back smoking a pack. Boy I’d love to see that.
txag92 on December 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Where, oh where are the trolls?
AnninCA? Drywall? simplesimon?
Schadenfreude on December 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Thanks for the back up. I figured it wasn’t really worth getting into since we’re all on the same team. That and the fact that my sarcasm gets mistaken for trolling all the time so I’m used to getting called out by the non-regulars.
BadgerHawk on December 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Awesome. I love it. Damn it’s good to see the GOP tossing monkey wrenches into the works here.
Finally.
Boxy_Brown on December 16, 2009 at 2:09 PM
How about Rev. Wright do some of the reading?
“The American insurance company’s chickens…..have come home to the special enrollment period described in this
paragraph, with respect to an individual, is the 12-month
period beginning on the day after the last day of the initial
enrollment period of the individual or, if later, the 12-
month period beginning with the month the individual is notified of enrollment under this section, roost.
Trusser13 on December 16, 2009 at 2:09 PM
I hope this does open the door for all bills to be read. It will force the people writing them to be more concise and not try to get away with adding things secretly.
Rose on December 16, 2009 at 2:09 PM
hahaha…Rush had a clip of Andrea Mitchell bitching because of this! lol
becki51758 on December 16, 2009 at 2:09 PM
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Sometimes “Extreme times call for extreme measures”
diogenes on December 16, 2009 at 2:09 PM
embarrass myself furthe. you are tripping, pal.
someone in the GOP finally takes the gloves off and the first thing BH says is ‘your opening a door’ to bad possibilties.
A) the dems already have used this trick before, so he or she is misinformed. there is already precident to refuse unanimous consent to waive the reading.
B) the dems have lied about nearly every single aspect of this legislation, but you don’t want to incur their ire? what do they have to do before you’ll fight back with every weapon you have?
I do apologize for being hostile, but BH’s advice is the same weak ‘don’t rock the boat’ crap that we’ve put up with since 94. pardon me for having had enough hand wringing pablum.
rock on Dr. C…rock on!
DrW on December 16, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Groovy with me. Perhaps this will encourage future legislation to be written, in, I don’t know… english?
JusDreamin on December 16, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Compliments of Sheetanchor……
Knucklehead on December 16, 2009 at 2:11 PM
I’m all for all bills being read aloud on the floor. Maybe it will stop the practice of hiding crap and the practice of adding unrelated items, like the debt ceiling lift to the Defense Bill.
DerKrieger on December 16, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Amazing, Senate Republicans actually play a great game of strategy…
Instead of using the big gun early, they soft delayed long enough that ‘We The People’ are pissed and over 60% are against the bill… Now ‘the party of no’ won’t stick, and the GOP will be the heroes… thankfully internal democrat strife allowed the GOP to delay until the public was ‘clearly’ on the GOP’s side
phreshone on December 16, 2009 at 2:12 PM
DrW on December 16, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Clue – BH protects your freedom to remain clueless.
Let. It. Be.
p.s. BH is 100% on your side. I vouch for him. He’s one of the greatest here.
Schadenfreude on December 16, 2009 at 2:14 PM
This clerk is having difficulty reading.
Glorious. Keep fumbling over words!
Enoxo on December 16, 2009 at 2:14 PM
DerKrieger
I agree with your general sentiments, but today I am feeling uplifted because some Republicans are demonstrating backbone: Sarah, Coburn, and DeMint have made this a great day for me.
GaltBlvnAtty on December 16, 2009 at 2:14 PM
There is nothing about this tactic that bothers me. At the moment I think the DC group is a bunch of spoiled rottten elites.
I hope the reading of this bill is hugely painful for them. Coburn and DeMint are doing exactly what needs to be done.
ORconservative on December 16, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Coburn/Palin 2012
Palin/Coburn 2012
stenwin77 on December 16, 2009 at 2:15 PM
I wrote Senator McConnell a letter yesterday, an actual letter I need to put in the mail, and asked that when the GOP regains control that they stop cooperating with the Dems, start rolling back their socialist programs, and restore liberty. I told him the GOP has to stop wasting its majority with nonsense. I hope these knuckleheads change their ways.
DerKrieger on December 16, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Agreed on all counts. They’re not shutting down the whole government and not obstructing all Senate business. Just one critical stand on principle at just the right time to really make a difference.
jwolf on December 16, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Good! require them to read the entire bill! This will make headlines and people will tune it to watch. The people who havent read this socialist takeover will hear it being read and they will get angrier and angrier.
KEEP IT UP Dr. C and Mister Demint! KEEP IT UP!
dogsoldier on December 16, 2009 at 2:16 PM
It’s about time these guys gets some backbone. They have to start standing up.
TXMomof3 on December 16, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Trace Gallagher just announced that the Senate phone lines have “Blown Up”! I love my country.
kingsjester on December 16, 2009 at 2:16 PM
:) This is fantastic – Coburn and DeMint could get elected tomorrow for doing this.
gophergirl on December 16, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Bottom Scroll on CSPAN …..
Senator Coburn (R-OK) requested that the clerk read the amendment. The Senator has left the floor.
LOL
fogw on December 16, 2009 at 2:17 PM
The Rs should not only read every word of every amendment but should release questionable portions to the media and post them on the internet.
Dukehoopsfan on December 16, 2009 at 2:17 PM
That would be good. Better yet would be a reading of the completely different bill being worked on in secret, that will be produced at the last minute as the official bill.
Vashta.Nerada on December 16, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the US Senate Rules require that every bill be read Three Times prior to Vote?
========================================
I believe Senate rules says it’s “up to” 3 readings maximum (it’s been a while since my old govt/civics courses..)
1) When the amendment is brought to the floor (this was originally given unanimous consent to bypass.)
2) After all the final rewording of an amendment done on the floor (nothing was ever approved for change on the floor, so this one would not fall into play.)
3) Before the final vote.
I think (But not sure) they sneaked around the 2nd one, because all the rewording was done in committee, and never done on the Senate floor.
If on the main floor Coburn asked for a change to the amendment, and the change was approved, then they would have the option for the rereading for #2.
Which makes the final bill interesting, cause they _could_ end up reading that over and over, every time an amendment is approved for the original bill.
I’m not sure if anyone can call for a reading of an amendment though (I think that was a Senate rules change sometime ago, but don’t remember my studies from that far back.)
DaSaintFan on December 16, 2009 at 2:18 PM
I hope it turns out to be a great day but I’m just so. sick. and. tired. of this administration and these Marxists. As soon as Obama won it’s like the flood gates of pent up Marxist revolution were released. I just can’t take it. I want to rear end a car with an Obama sticker when I see on and excoriate the driver and shout at them “are you happy now?”. Democrat voters are clueless idiots and we’ve been stupid enough to let them have their way for decades. It has to stop.
DerKrieger on December 16, 2009 at 2:18 PM
True. Both senators will get a big Thank You from me.
However, does any one know if either is in hot water for their re-election? I imagine my money could be used more effectively in defeating RINOs and/or shifting in purple/blue states.
Sir Napsalot on December 16, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Heh. I wonder if he got the stank eye from the clerk as he was walking out.
BadgerHawk on December 16, 2009 at 2:19 PM
And here comes the liberal spin:
Enoxo on December 16, 2009 at 2:19 PM
This clerk is having difficulty reading.
Glorious. Keep fumbling over words!
Enoxo on December 16, 2009 at 2:14 PM
I think that’s bleeds blue.
txag92 on December 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Not to poke fun, but could we get someone with dyslexia to read it? “Um, sorry, let me re-read that last sentence . . .”
This is f-ing awesome. They were both great at the Code Red Rally yesterday. DeMint 2012!!
Firefly_76 on December 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Sarah Palin said it best: “Obamacare must die.”
technopeasant on December 16, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Maybe they should have thought of the troops before trying to cram this down America’s throats before Christmas.
I love the smell of desperation in the afternoon.
gophergirl on December 16, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Coburn certainly isn’t in any hot water.
Bobbertsan on December 16, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Yeah, the arses…they should read that too, so we can see all the pork they attached to it, from the left, to the right, the pigs.
The lefties ‘love’ the troops, when they themselves need more pork. Hypocritical bastids!
Where are our trolls today?
Schadenfreude on December 16, 2009 at 2:23 PM
DerKrieger: I understand and share those feelings, but I think we are making some progress for a change.
GaltBlvnAtty on December 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM
1st shift at McDonalds doesn’t end until 3:00.
BacaDog on December 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM
I would love to know how many Americans have called the Senate Hot Line today in support of Coburn and DeMint.
kingsjester on December 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Schadenfreude on December 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Just tried his office, to praise him.
Phone lines are jammed. Good work people!
fossten on December 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
NRO. He’ll probably cave. But for now, anyone who stops cloture is helping.
Wethal on December 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Democrat Howard Dean M.D. is against the bill. That is why they do not want it read.
seven on December 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Axelrod may well have his troops doing the opposite — just speculation.
jwolf on December 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
IS Baucus drunk?
If you can’t read and understand and attest to your constituents that you understand what you are voting for, then resign and let someone who is able to read take your place.
Arrogance.
stenwin77 on December 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM
I’m kind of surprised they’re not in here crying about this.
BadgerHawk on December 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM
DeMint is ok in South Carolina, too, I expect.
Wethal on December 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM
This is Clerk #4 , right?
Clerk 1 = 12 to 1 EST
clerk 2 = 1 to 130 EST
clerk 3 = 130 to 2 EST
Clerk 4 = 2 ET to 2:30 EST (Current) – and his was the one where I caught the “price fixing” part of the amendment.
They’re taking in 30 minute shifts now…
DaSaintFan on December 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Blow it out your arse Harry. This is a temporary delay that will be over by this evening. Your president took a good four months to decide if he would send the troops the commanders on the ground requested. No one is going to die because the clerk in the senate is reading a bill.
fogw on December 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
And clerk swap!
Enoxo on December 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Hey there. Where on earth have you been? We’ve missed you.
TXUS on December 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM
I’d love to see their ‘intelligent’ arguments against enlightening the public on what’s in it for the payers and the sufferers.
Schadenfreude on December 16, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Dr. Coburn thanks you for the compliment, Dingy Harry.
fossten on December 16, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Good…the only thing I want Congress to do is dismantle whatever schemes they pass this year.
JIMV on December 16, 2009 at 2:30 PM
We’re on page 68 if anyone wants to play at home.
Abby Adams on December 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Axelrod may well have his troops doing the opposite — just speculation.
jwolf on December 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Then that really would be like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, wouldn’t it?
kingsjester on December 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Write your senators about ObamaCare through DownsizeDC.org, an especially good website.
DownsizeDC.org’s “Read the Bills Act” (RTBA)
DownsizeDC.org is promoting legislation to force Congress to read every word of every bill it creates before it can vote on it. Check it out here: http://www.downsizedc.org/page/read_the_laws
petefrt on December 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM
The fewer bills that pass, the better for the country overall.
fossten on December 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM
I am shocked that more than one Senator can actually read.
tetriskid on December 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM
i’m thinking we need a drinking game…
Drink every time the Dems try to dispense with the reading (likely wouldn’t happen, as it’d slow it down even more)
Drink every time they swap a clerk (guarantee one drink an hour)
Drink every time the clerk stumbles on a word they know
Drink 2 every time the clerk stumbles on a word they don’t seem to know (cause you know the Senators don’t know how to pronounce them)… (Clerk 2 and 3 got hit with a few of those.)
DaSaintFan on December 16, 2009 at 2:33 PM
DeMint will appreciate the support. He has said on numerous occasions that he ran for office not expecting to win, yet he felt obligated to try to make a difference. He was a small business owner that became frustrated with big government.
He’s a decent man, and he has said that for someone like him and other conservatives they are fighting a difficult, lonely, uphill battle.
Cody1991 on December 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Be honest, you have a head start on us don’t you?
fogw on December 16, 2009 at 2:35 PM
i wish Fogw.. if iw ere at home, I’d have been going for it :) But booze isn’t allowed at the office :)
DaSaintFan on December 16, 2009 at 2:35 PM
This lady is reading too fast. :(
Enoxo on December 16, 2009 at 2:36 PM
This is the most awesome news I’ve read in a very, very long time. Bravo, Senators. Finally! In the law, procedural
arguments/tactics often win the day.
Coburn’s line is busy, but I’ll keep trying. . .
Woohooooooooooooooo!
Opinionator on December 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Ditto, Janna. I think we Okie’s are doing our part. Now the rest of you need to Get With It! :)
Renae on December 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM
President DeMint
realityunwound on December 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM
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