WaPo/ABC poll: Obama hits new lows on health care, overall approval rating

posted at 6:11 pm on December 15, 2009 by Allahpundit

His numbers are down across the board since last month, so technically there’s a trend here. But not really. The problem with WaPo’s polls is that they’ve been using samples that skew overwhelmingly Democratic; this month they finally bowed to ideological trends and cleaned up their act, reducing the partisan gap from a ludicrous 14-point spread in November to a more respectable six. (In fact, if leaners are included, the parties are almost even.) So what explains the new bad numbers? Is it a genuine downturn or simply greater GOP representation in the sample?

Let’s let the independents tell us.

Such numbers aren’t unexpected; Ronald Reagan, in similar economic straits, dropped to 52 percent overall approval at this point in his presidency. But it’s not just the economy: Fifty-three percent also disapprove of Obama’s work on health care, and the public by 51-44 percent now opposes the reform package in Congress — both more than half for the first time in ABC/Post polls.

There are further challenges. Obama’s approval rating among independents, the crucial center of national politics, is 43 percent, a new low and down from a peak of 67 percent in the heady days a month after he took office. He’s down by 9 points this month among moderates.

More than 60 percent of indies disapprove of his handling of health care and the economy. Meanwhile, the overall 44/51 split is the widest gap yet on ObamaCare and the first time it’s been statistically significant in the WaPo poll. The breakdown:

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Incredibly, even among the uninsured, there’s an even split on the question of whether their health care would be better after reform. But here’s my favorite data point. How much do you think the left loves Lieberman now?

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Sixty-three percent support the recently deceased Medicare buy-in. Then again, majorities also consistently say they support the public option even though most of them don’t understand it, so it’s anyone’s guess what that “support” means in practice. Remember: It’s amazing what a follow-up question about trade-offs can do to the numbers when polling on ObamaCare. Which probably explains why one wasn’t asked here.

Via Greg Hengler, here’s The One at this afternoon’s post-huddle presser insisting that he welcomes scrutiny from the press, never mind the fact that he initially called for a bill to be pushed through Congress back before the national debate ever got going in August. Exit question: Will that 63% number on the Medicare buy-in embolden congressional liberals to oppose Reid’s bill? Stay strong, Russ Feingold!


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BO: oh who reads polls. Lets pass that piece of cow dung bill already…who cares I don’t have any voter support. I just want my name on something my great grandkids can remember me by…..

jbh45 on December 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Interesting how the ‘Reagan was this low too’ comments keep popping up in news stories about Obama’s fading popularity now that he needs a hand from the media. I thought Reagan was the worst thing to happen to America in decades from a liberal perspective?

Kind of like what I saw on MSNBC this morning at the gym: “Tiger Woods’ favorables may only be 33%, but that’s still better than Bush for the last 18 months of his presidency!”

Paradol Ex on December 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Government health.
Government = power.

How ’bout we remain free!

chaswv on December 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Obama doesn’t care if he is re-elected. I’m sure Soros has a nice offshore bank account for him. The Dem’s who vote for will get jobs in the bureaucracy running the darn thing .

Jeff2161 on December 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Are we still going to jail if we don’t buy there crappy insurance?

SHARPTOOTH on December 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM

So premiums are going to go up if this isn’t passed. Just wait til it passes and the premimums go up and your taxes go up and you get nothing but increases most are unable to afford at this time people are going to be more than pissed. Everything is going to be going up execpt your coverage.

Wonderful isn’t it?
/sarc

Brat4life on December 15, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Sen. Baucus seems to really, really admire BHO…

d1carter on December 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Incredibly, even among the uninsured, there’s an even split on the question of whether their health care would be better after reform.

What’s so incredible ? This bill does nothing to improve health care.

Jeff2161 on December 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

“Tiger Woods’ favorables may only be 33%, but that’s still better than Bush for the last 18 months of his presidency!”

Desperation and panic just under the surface.

Fletch54 on December 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Interesting how the ‘Reagan was this low too’ comments keep popping up in news stories about Obama’s fading popularity now that he needs a hand from the media. I thought Reagan was the worst thing to happen to America in decades from a liberal perspective?

Paradol Ex on December 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Yeah but Reagan turned around the economy with tax cuts and far, far less debt- adjusted for inflation or not.

Chuck Schick on December 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM

If Obama visits Waterloo any more he’ll need a permanent residency permit.

OldEnglish on December 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Of course, once all those illegals from south-of-the-border start paying taxes…We will be on Easy Street.

Jeff2161 on December 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Waterloo. No matter how health care turns out, his arrogance and incompetence has helped us in our efforts to effectively cripple his presidency.

elduende on December 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM

At least these idiots finally adjusted their sample. Word on the street is that the NBC/WSJ poll due out tomorrow has stuck to the bogus samples…. So I’ll predict The One above 50 in that one.

davek70 on December 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Yeah but Reagan turned around the economy with tax cuts and far, far less debt- adjusted for inflation or not.

Chuck Schick on December 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM

That and, Paul Volcker slammed on the brakes hard !

Jeff2161 on December 15, 2009 at 6:21 PM

2008:”We are the ones we’ve been waiting for!!”

2009:”Can I just Golf?”

portlandon on December 15, 2009 at 6:21 PM

So when do we get to read the bill?

ctmom on December 15, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Yeah but Reagan turned around the economy with tax cuts and far, far less debt- adjusted for inflation or not.

Chuck Schick on December 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM

These yahoos are doing the 180 degree opposite, expecting the same results…kindergarten in bloom, with a dummy as their headmaster.

Schadenfreude on December 15, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Racist poll?

Jeff2161 on December 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM

You’re right, of course. Look how rich Algore got by being a no-term President. There’s a Sucker (Democrat) born every minute.

Del Dolemonte on December 15, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Pfftt, 5 year olds with crayons, that’s all this is.

Bishop on December 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM

I notice during the current amendment (Baucus’) which is basically a lie and says “taxes will not be raised on the middle class”, Nelson is the only senator voting against it.

It appears he is sending a message. Anybody else see it differently?

ConservativeTony on December 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Hey Barry!..We’re just not that into you. Are you perfectly clear about that?

Itchee Dryback on December 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM

heh

97-1

Nelson votes against the Democrat party. It looks like he is one pissed off senator.

ConservativeTony on December 15, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Here are a few guarantees if it does pass. Higher premiums, rationed care, less professional health care workers, abortion coverage, higher deficits, longer lines, and less investment in health care technology.

fourdeucer on December 15, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Mr Obama it is a free person thing. You would not understand.

CWforFreedom on December 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM

2008:”We are the ones we’ve been waiting for!!”

2009:”Can I just Golf?”

portlandon on December 15, 2009 at 6:21 PM

That’s exactly what O’bama will be doing next week-he’s leaving Dodge to go to Hawai’i for 11 days.

Curious how the media had no problem “reporting” how he played golf at 2 public courses when he was there last year-but covered up the fact that he also golfed at one of the most elite private golf courses in the state during the same visit.

Del Dolemonte on December 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM

YYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Cybergeezer on December 15, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Of course, once all those illegals from south-of-the-border start paying taxes…We will be on Easy Street.

Jeff2161 on December 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Is this a quote from Chuck Schumer?

Cybergeezer on December 15, 2009 at 6:36 PM

WaPo/ABC poll:

so how is Stephy and the rest of the MSM gonna spin this one?

cmsinaz on December 15, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Rasmussen 2010 GOP Sentate Primary
Christ 43%
Rubios 43%

commodore on December 15, 2009 at 6:37 PM

oops lol I spelled Charlie’s name wrong

commodore on December 15, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Obama will go golfing (by the way, has he found that birth certificate yet? This might be the opportune time)

Anyway, he’ll go golfing but instruct the House and Senate to conference and make him look good for the SoftheU.

ConservativeTony on December 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM

There’s something so weird and desperate about a president that has to be in everyone’s faces 24/7. I guess that “community organizer” thing is hard to shake.

Whenever I pick up my mail I expect to find posters of the Won with instructions to hang them in prominent places around the house.

I’ve got a bet with someone about his polling, so I shouldn’t give helpful advice. However, his numbers would improve dramatically if he would shut up and go away for a few weeks – at least give the impression that he’s working and not just running his mouth. Then, again, that’s all he can do. That’s all he’s ever done.

Cody1991 on December 15, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Too funny……Ms. Huffington is ripping Obama’s complete “direction” on the Ed Show. The rats are certainly abandoning the sinking ship.

Rovin on December 15, 2009 at 6:40 PM

You’re ruining my Presidency. But its still a solid B+

El_Terrible on December 15, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Commodore, wait ’till Sarah endorses Rubio.

That will be a sight to behold.

ConservativeTony on December 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM

The ACLU is not happy with him

“The Obama administration’s announcement today contradicts everything the president has said about the need for America to return to leading with its values. American values do not contemplate disregarding our Constitution and skirting the criminal justice system. After detaining hundreds of individuals without the basic due process rights that define our justice system for almost eight years, it is time to charge suspects where evidence exists and repatriate and transfer the rest to countries where they won’t be tortured.”

CWforFreedom on December 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Interesting how the ‘Reagan was this low too’ comments keep popping up in news stories about Obama’s fading popularity now that he needs a hand from the media.

Paradol Ex on December 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM

WTF?

The media have been carrying this guy from day one.

Don’t get out much, PE?

Bruno Strozek on December 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Dr. K just said it will take at least a decade to clean up this boondoggle should it pass….

UGH!!!

cmsinaz on December 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Too funny……Ms. Huffington is ripping Obama’s complete “direction” on the Ed Show. The rats are certainly abandoning the sinking ship.

Rovin on December 15, 2009 at 6:40 PM

And we must honor the captain and crew for doing the honorable thing and going down with it. I have a new found respect for Democrats.

Sharke on December 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM

CWforFreedom on December 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM

You have to laugh though at the ACLU’s incessant attempts to claim that terrorists are protected by the Constitution.

Sharke on December 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM

who cares I don’t have any voter support. I just want my name on something my great grandkids can remember me by…..

jbh45 on December 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM

You mean the massive debt, third-world living standard, and lack of freedom wouldn’t be enough to remember Pop Pop?

highhopes on December 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Rasmussen 2010 GOP Sentate Primary
Christ 43%
Rubios 43%

commodore on December 15, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Jetboy, you better stock up on some adult diapers.

portlandon on December 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM

And we must honor the captain and crew for doing the honorable thing and going down with it.

Sharke on December 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Just democRATS being democRATS.

ConservativeTony on December 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM

At least these idiots finally adjusted their sample.

davek70 on December 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Where did you find the polling sample? I didn’t see a link to it in the WaPo story

Del Dolemonte on December 15, 2009 at 6:50 PM

You have to laugh though at the ACLU’s incessant attempts to claim that terrorists are protected by the Constitution.

Sharke on December 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM

You’ll have to be more specific. The filthy lying coward in the White House is a domestic enemy of the state and a terrorist and he is, in fact, protected by the Constitution. Not that the rat bastard has ever read it or cares what it says.

highhopes on December 15, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Jetboy, you better stock up on some adult diapers.

portlandon on December 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM

He’s always struck me as more toddler size.

highhopes on December 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM

On a totally unrelated topic, I really like the term the Asians used for VJ Day: “the day when the lights return.”

year_of_the_dingo on December 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM

BO: oh who reads polls. Lets pass that piece of cow dung bill already…who cares I don’t have any voter support. I just want my name on something my great grandkids can remember me by…..

jbh45 on December 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM

There’s a lot of history behind this health care push, but you are right in the sense that the Dems and Barry are desperate to pass something – anything – before the end of the year.

Think about it. If they don’t, there will be nothing to discuss in his SOTU address. The Dems claim that everything about this guy is “historical.” Grabbing the health care industry would be the cherry on the icing and make this nitwit look good.

If not, he’s just another, mediocre guy who somehow managed to get elected.

Kill the Bill!!!!

Cody1991 on December 15, 2009 at 6:55 PM

I will literally revolt. If the FBI is reading this, come get me.

madmonkphotog on December 15, 2009 at 6:56 PM

You have to laugh though at the ACLU’s incessant attempts to claim that terrorists are protected by the Constitution.

Sharke on December 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Sadly, once they hit American soil, they will be. That was the idea behind Gito.

The left wants us all dead anyway. That’s save Mother Gaia.

gary4205 on December 15, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Whenever citizens are forced to buy something the price goes up. This is the same BS argument they made about mandatory auto insurance.

The price of everything goes up and health insurance is no exception. Since it will go up, I might as well retain my choices.

csdeven on December 15, 2009 at 7:00 PM

You have to laugh though at the ACLU’s incessant attempts to claim that terrorists are protected by the Constitution.

Sharke on December 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Moving them to Illinois will only serve to make that argument stronger.

Did Obama get bids before deciding to move them to Illinois? Or is that only wrong if done by Bush?

CWforFreedom on December 15, 2009 at 7:08 PM

problem with WaPo’s polls is that they’ve been using samples that skew overwhelmingly Democratic; this month they finally bowed to ideological trends and cleaned up their act

It’s getting hard for even the WaPo/ABC poll to hide the decline any longer….

ted c on December 15, 2009 at 7:23 PM

If only Obama would appear on TV some more, I’ll bet it would all turn around for him. Why does he hide himself away when the yearning masses cry and scream for more Obama!?! He clearly just isn’t making full use of his superstar charisma. I blame Bush.

AUINSC on December 15, 2009 at 7:27 PM

I just read this on the ABC web page. Good lord, if his official propaganda (infomercial) network is beginning to trash him then he must be in trouble.

rplat on December 15, 2009 at 7:30 PM

What do you know. A LAME DUCK in just his first year in office. Must have been all that “vast executive experience”.

GarandFan on December 15, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Gary425, Sadly the Gitmo guys appear to be getting more rights and priveleges then the Seals who our Sec. of Def.is going after. Sure seems to be lot easier to go after red blooded Americans then trying to convict these Gitmoe guys.

garydt on December 15, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Are we still going to jail if we don’t buy there crappy insurance?

Yes, it’s in both the House and Senatre versions so don’t expect it to be dropped in the conference committee. Five years in federal prison, $25,000 fine.

And they will get this passed. Bet on it. Coming up next: cap and trade and the VAT. They have to get all this in before the midterm elections. They’re going to lose badly so they no longer care.

It’s like a gambler that’s out of control at the casino or the track. They have nothing left to lose.

pdigaudio on December 15, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Bound to know that the Home Depot Comedy Show would make the news.

Hey Axelrod and Rahm, its all getting very boring. How about you all resigning and taking the Hollywood route.

bluegrass on December 15, 2009 at 8:08 PM

I think the 63% number is probably people assuming that these people are people who can not get insurance and so they will be covered under some government plan anyway…That does not mean they would rather see them on medicare than see them with private insurance or even no insurance.

And these polls are all so screwy and contradictory that I don’t think we can really know what they mean.

Terrye on December 15, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Here in the land of Cheese and Beer, Feingold is known as a doctrinaire ACLU type. How on earth does he reconcile protection of citizen liberties with a nuclear super-sized expansion of federal government? Who the he11 knows.

In the end, let us all hope the lack of the “Stalin” plan drives him away.

He might be worried this cycle (despite the lack of an opponent) as proved by his voting against the 1.1T omnibus.

roscopico on December 15, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Geez, things are pretty much out of control.

Personally, I’m hoping for:

A. A conservative “take-over” of all three branches of government with an overt and radical return to the principles of the founding fathers.

or, if A. fails to materialize:

B. A tax rebellion

or, if B. fails:

C. Secession

or, if C. fails:

D. A new nation to form somewhere on earth that is a return to what the founders had in mind.

or, if D. fails:

E. Pitchforks, with much retribution directed toward the liberal and leftist vermin who have destroyed the country.

justltl on December 15, 2009 at 9:35 PM

*keeping pitchfork sharpened, based on the odds of A through D above happening

justltl on December 15, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Good grief…how many “Waterloos” is that now?

If Napoleon had survived this many Waterloos he would have died peacefully as Emperor in Paris.

Waterloo…sheesh.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 15, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Fans of President James Buchanan are eagerly anticipating him moving out of the “worst president of all time spot”.

Juno77 on December 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Just for grins, ya’ wanna try your broadsword against my pitchfork? Thrown a lotta sh*t with it, I have. Ribbons or petals? Next?

There is also the old cudgel. Awww, c’mon love. A little bothered are we? I won’t hurt you too much. Pay no attention to the archers next field over.

Then there is the little matter of force vs. tactics. Ambush anyone? Storming of the Bastille?

Just a small reminder that “it is never over” when free men are attacked. For some of us it becomes sport.

Caststeel on December 15, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Fans of President James Buchanan are eagerly anticipating him moving out of the “worst president of all time spot”.

Could be, I believe he has passed Carter already.

whbates on December 15, 2009 at 11:54 PM

Bad poling data? Meh. Dancing on ‘Ellen’ should calm all fears. Dancing on ‘Dancing w/ the Stars’ should stabilize markets. Dancing on ‘So You Think You Can Dance?’ should mask lack of foreign policy. So Soros, how should your puppet dance next?

BHO Jonestown on December 16, 2009 at 3:41 AM

If this does not get done, the market will fix itself, so let and not get it done.

Try this one on. Unions, stop demanding wage increases without a corresponding gains in productivity. Use the members dues to invest in health care/insurance programs that compliment the employers program would mean additional benefits/protection to the employee. It also makes the union a team player.

They may even increase their rolls because when others see a tangible benefit of belonging to a union they may want to join.

MSGTAS on December 16, 2009 at 10:04 AM