Obama to warn Dems: This is America’s last shot at universal health care
posted at 3:35 pm on December 15, 2009 by Allahpundit
Granting Tom Maguire’s point that history begins and ends in The One’s mind with his own presidency, I think Obama’s right this time.
In a provocative argument designed to rescue his foundering health care plan, President Barack Obama will warn Senate Democrats in a White House meeting Tuesday that this is the “last chance” to pass comprehensive reform…
White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer told POLITICO: “If President Obama doesn’t pass health reform, it’s hard to imagine another president ever taking on this Herculean task. For those whose life’s work is reforming health care, this may be the last train leaving the station.”
Previewing the message, Vice President Joe Biden said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”: “If health care does not pass in this Congress … it’s going to be kicked back for a generation.”
Senate majorities may change but the graying of the population is a constant, which is why Karl’s correct that this will only get harder for the left in years ahead. As the Medicare rolls bloat with Boomers and medical advances extend lifespans, the you’re-not-sacrificing-my-benefits! demographic will be even bigger and fiercer at the polls than it is now. Thanks partly to ObamaCare, independents over age 55 already favor congressional Republicans over Democrats; if they’re not prepared to share the generational wealth and endure a little rationing now in the name of universal health care, their mood won’t be improved circa 2030. Especially since we’ll have long past the point of solvency for Medicare by then, leaving the program and its participants hungry for every last dollar they can scrounge from the budget.
So this is it for the Dems, unless they’re content to ease off and accept piecemeal centrist reforms (interstate competition for insurers?) over the next few years. And it looks like they’re going to make it, finally: Although Snowe reportedly told GOP leaders that she won’t be the 60th vote for cloture, Nelson’s being bullied into going along and Lieberman now sounds like a yes. No word from Lincoln, Pryor, or Bayh, but if Joementum doesn’t have the balls to kill this thing off singlehandedly, I can’t believe any of them will. In fact, irony of ironies, Lieberman may have ended up doing the left a favor. Says Jonathan Cohn at TNR:
Disappointed progressives may be wondering whether their efforts were a waste. They most decidedly were not. The campaign for the public option pushed the entire debate to the left–and, to use a military metaphor, it diverted enemy fire away from the rest of the bill. If Lieberman and his allies didn’t have the public option to attack, they would have tried to gut the subsidies, the exchanges, or some other key element. They would have hacked away at the bill, until it left more people uninsured and more people under-insured. The public option is the reason that didn’t happen.
Ramesh Ponnuru and Karl (again) made the same point months ago. Instead of attacking the bill at all its points of unpopularity, e.g., the individual mandate that dictates fines and even prison terms for people who refuse to buy insurance, the conservative assault has been drawn to the public option and its potential to metastasize into single-payer. A worthy battle, but winning it is still going to leave us with the basic outline of ObamaCare in all its eventual deficit-busting glory. Like Byron York says, no matter how bad the polls get, there’s only one way out for the Democrats at this point. Exit quotation: “[T]hey think they know what’s best for the public… They think the facts are being distorted and the public’s being told a story that is not entirely true, and that they are in Congress to be leaders. And they are going to make the decision because Goddammit, it’s good for the public.”









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A generation is either four or eight years?
unclesmrgol on December 15, 2009 at 3:37 PM
OT, but I love you guys’ one liners after the pics. Sometimes the only thing in the day that makes me crack a smile.
Vigilante on December 15, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Hey, we finally got some transparency. The fangs of this political bloodsucker are completely out. Time to bring this animated Stalin statue to the ground.
Western_Civ on December 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Most Americans don’t want it. So, whose last chance is it? and why?
marklmail on December 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM
If only it was the last opportunity…
Kill the bill!
tickleddragon on December 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Just watched the President’s comments after the meeting. I so hate being lied to.
mredly on December 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM
gird…your…loins….
ted c on December 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM
portlandon on December 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM
My warning to all senators. You do not work for the president, you work for the people you represent. He cannot fire you…WE CAN AND WE WILL. KILL THE BILL.
milwife88 on December 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Too bad the odds are way better than 1 in a million chance though.
gatorboy on December 15, 2009 at 3:40 PM
lol. You really think 60 self-important type A folks won’t find some way to pile on this ‘historic’ moment. They’re going to trip over each other trying to be the 60th vote here. Pathetic.
gatorboy on December 15, 2009 at 3:41 PM
It’s perverse, but the recession may have saved us. If we had the same president and congress, but no stimulus/TARP/bailouts, and dotcom bubble surpluses things could be much scarier.
exception on December 15, 2009 at 3:41 PM
KILL THE BILL! How much does that say right there?
upinak on December 15, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Next week Global Warming’s gonna getcha! Let me be clear…
Marcus on December 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Well…good. Let’s kill it for once and for all and get on with the rest of our lives, k?thx,bai.
Bob's Kid on December 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM
And as the economy continues to tank, our Dear Leader preaches about the necessity of a multi-trillion dollar healthcare boondoggle that the majority of Americans are firmly opposed to.
Smart Power.
I think the debt ceiling is poking a hole in the atmosphere. Someone notify Algore.
fogw on December 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM
It is yet another generational transfer to the baby boomers. The mandates and the restrictions on rates means that younger people will be subsidizing older peoples’ health insurance.
pedestrian on December 15, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Let the last shot here be putting a bullet right between the eyes of this damnable bill!
Kill it, now!
pilamaye on December 15, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I hope this is deranged Obama’s last shot at America.
nyx on December 15, 2009 at 3:46 PM
When are the negotiations going to appear on C-SPAN?
/
JammieWearingFool on December 15, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Elections have consequences.
It’s going to be so hard to undo once more and more drones are on the dole. The one small nugget that gives me hope is that the actual plan does not kick in until 2013, but the tax increases start right away, so maybe there is hope to undo the damage if we take back the congress in 2010/12 and the WH in 2012.
davek70 on December 15, 2009 at 3:47 PM
BREAKING Howard Dean is putting out a call to kill the Senate bill-how does this square with the Whitehouse?
canditaylor68 on December 15, 2009 at 3:47 PM
let’s see them go line by line through it.
I thought someone suggested that once….
yep, those were the days.
ted c on December 15, 2009 at 3:47 PM
If this is really the last shot, the we should put every ounce of our effort into killing it once and for all. Let this mess die.
MainelyRight on December 15, 2009 at 3:47 PM
And to think…all they really had to do was to allow interstate competition between the 1,300 insurance companies. Make no mistake. They will find a way to sneak the government option back in.
kingsjester on December 15, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Somebody caulk that degenerate’s mouth shut.
SouthernGent on December 15, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Fearmonger in Chief.
WE’RE ALL DOOOOOOOOOOMED IF WE DON’T DO WHAT I WANT RIGHT NOW (Take 6)!
WHO CARES WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT? I WON!
Good Lt on December 15, 2009 at 3:49 PM
He told some real whoppers in that one, didn’t he?
Un-freaking-believable.
Knucklehead on December 15, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Earmarks and bribes not something I would be proud of.
Especially while everyone is watching.
tarpon on December 15, 2009 at 3:49 PM
When the Congress goes around the people to pass what they think is right for the people will pay a big political price. For the first time, I think something is going to pass.
d1carter on December 15, 2009 at 3:49 PM
My scenario is much better: They can run outside with no money and get massacred in the street anyway.
csdeven on December 15, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Obama is right. The pendulum wants to swing back. If they do not get it passed they can forget about it for a generation, or two. Even if it does pass conservative populism being what it is the Democrats will be washed away in 2010, and the healthcare bill will be wiped away as well. Republicans could run on that issue alone.
The swing back to conservatism is coming. It is up to conservatives to manage it, lest we allow crony capitalism to take hold. No more beltway Republicans maintaining corporate interests in government.
Theworldisnotenough on December 15, 2009 at 3:50 PM
You mean the same younger people who can’t find jobs and are stuck living at home with Mom and Dad? Where’s the revenue gonna come from with the real unemployment rate at 17%?
Doughboy on December 15, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Heh. The Dems will absolutely try to nationalize health care every time they have the Presidency – guaranteed.
fiatboomer on December 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Most everyone on Medicare has paid into the system their entire working lives. Everyone seems to think that Medicare is a freebie given to old people. It isn’t. They have paid into the system. It is not their fault that the system was flawed. It’s wrong to make this generation out to be the bad guys.
Rose on December 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM
An insufferable ass is an insufferable ass, of course, of course,
And no one can talk sense to an insufferable ass of course
And especially, of course, if the insufferable ass is the famous Barack Obama.
Go right to the source and ask the insufferable ass.
He’ll give you the answer that deceivers will endorse.
He’s always on a dissemblers course.
Talk to Barack Obama.
Barack Obama just yakkity yaks a streak and wastes your time of day
Does any sane person even believe anymore a thing he has to say?
An insufferable ass is an insufferable ass, of course, of course,
And this one’ll talk in circles til his voice is hoarse.
You never heard of a talking insufferable ass?
Well listen to this.
He is Barack Obama.
Cheshire Cat on December 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Promise?????
Pinky Swear?
Rocks on December 15, 2009 at 3:52 PM
And slap it with flip flops, Iraqi style.
ProudPalinFan on December 15, 2009 at 3:52 PM
what up now?
blatantblue on December 15, 2009 at 3:52 PM
It will pass, the ‘rats are unafraid of the political hit they will take in doing so.
Bishop on December 15, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Obama to warn Dems: This is
America’smy last shot at universal health careRed Creek on December 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM
What I am afraid most American’s don’t understand is all they have to do is pass something to get on the road to single payer. What is astounding is that Joe L, Snowe, etc. don’t seem to understand this as well.
truetexan on December 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM
BEST POST EVAH!
ProudPalinFan on December 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM
What political hit? It’s not as if Republicans will destroy an established entitlement.
Chris_Balsz on December 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM
blatantblue on December 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Apparently, some of dose Democrats are lacking some enthusiazims…dey need to be part of a team. YouknowwhatI’m sayin’?
Wyznowski on December 15, 2009 at 3:55 PM
You’re right. Sadly, you’re right.
truetexan on December 15, 2009 at 3:56 PM
politically they have to pass something
jp on December 15, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Because they either don’t believe they’re gonna take a hit or they think the damage will be minimal(i.e. they retain control of both houses). I think they’re in for a rude awakening.
Doughboy on December 15, 2009 at 3:57 PM
They now have the votes. Zero is bribing them all now. I wish there was something the republicans could do. Zero is now going all in there is no way the dems don’t push this through. Zero won and he won’t let us forget it.
Brat4life on December 15, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Oh…I’m sure Barney Frank would love to.
Caper29 on December 15, 2009 at 3:58 PM
They’ll get something… one way or another… and in its secret places… it will have the seeds of single payer.
Remember, these are Communists we’re dealing with.
mankai on December 15, 2009 at 3:58 PM
…oohhh
my
GAWD
blatantblue on December 15, 2009 at 3:58 PM
eye roll, but pass the popcorn.
ORconservative on December 15, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Mandates without a public option is going to be tremendously unpopular.
AnninCA on December 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM
No, it’s because they know the GOP doesn’t have the stones to zero out an entitlement and thereby murder children and seniors.
fiatboomer on December 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM
The only distortion is that they are not telling the public that it will cost WAAAAY more than what it says now.
No wonder it is all concocted behind closed doors, away from C-Span.
History will record this as a major step toward the destruction of America as it once was. Long live socialism!
Schadenfreude on December 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM
I think they understand fully the political hit they will take. What they know though is once they get the entitlement program(single payer) it doesn’t matter. We still have SS, welfare, and Medicare/Medicaid, don’t we? They understand history with entitlement programs very clearly.
truetexan on December 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM
That’s a bunch of bunk. There are numerous ways to reform anything. The true point of Obama’s comment is….HIS WAY OF REFORM! Which proves, this has nothing to do with health care. They have been exposed as dictators, socialists, and power hungry ogre’s. Knowing this, makes the statement true. The public sees them for what they are. So now IS their last chance, at grabbing up the power, and taking over control of this country, and everyone living here.
If this goes thru, it will be a dictatorship. Pure, and simple.
capejasmine on December 15, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Who ya gonna believe, Senator; hoards of very angry voters who are ready to drag your a$$ through broken glass or a puffed up boy-king who’s believability numbers are falling like a whale turd in the Mariana’s Trench? Go ahead, take your time. We’re just standing here practicing our knot tying and breaking some bottles.
SKYFOX on December 15, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Go ahead, Obama. Ram health care reform down my throat, the only single payer will be my Congressional rep. I didn’t like her anyway.
The greatest tyrants in history always called themselves reformers.
Angry Dumbo on December 15, 2009 at 4:00 PM
So let it be written; so let it be done.
CynicalOptimist on December 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Everyone get on your roofs
watch everything burn down!
bring soda!
blatantblue on December 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM
“And he created universal healthcare, and it was good.”
blatantblue on December 15, 2009 at 4:02 PM
What bill are we all even talking about? I thought Harry sent the latest pile of poo up to the CBO without showing it to anyone.
Youngs98 on December 15, 2009 at 4:02 PM
You are on a roll today!
truetexan on December 15, 2009 at 4:03 PM
And hopefully the is America’s last shot at a Liberal House, a Liberal Senate and a Liberal President.
ConservativeTony on December 15, 2009 at 4:03 PM
If you don’t get any healthcare legislation, will you throw a tantrum, little boy?
Cybergeezer on December 15, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Every senator that votes for this bill will be the consequential vote. That means EVERY D in the caucus will be held personally responsible for this bill. If any one of them didn’t vote for it, it would not happen.
This bill is political suicide for the D’s and I think they all know it. If Hagan votes for this plan, she won’t win another election.
I don’t think it will pass. I don’t think Lieberman is going to vote for it at all. I think he’s just stringing them along. He’s McCain’s buddy and McCain would want him to vote NO. I don’t think Lieberman will vote for this, nor will McCaskill, Nelson, Landrieu, and probably several others.
This bill will be the defining moment for Obama. . . not the Senate. Most senators know that. I really don’t think it will pass.
ThackerAgency on December 15, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Well, this translates to me as a desperate effort to avoid being a one term president. He could care less about what’s in that health care bill, or whether Americans like what’s in it. He’s a narcissist, remember? This is all about him.
scalleywag on December 15, 2009 at 4:04 PM
We don’t know what’s all in this bill, and all ammendments, or secret ammendments added to it. For all we know, the Dems don’t need to worry about re-elections. After this passes, they’ll probably be appointed by the dipsh!t in the oval office. Foregoing future elections, and all appointments made by Obama, our now, and future dictator….without any kind of oversight.
capejasmine on December 15, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Ordinarily I’d agree, but the next Congress and Administration will HAVE to cut entitlements. This country is heading toward bankruptcy.
Doughboy on December 15, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Or they’ve been lead to believe that they will get a job, just as cushy and cashy, in some yet to be Frankensteined together agency.
Itchee Dryback on December 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Schadenfreude on December 15, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Anyone want to join me at the fence of the White House the day Obama signs this into law? Maybe if millions of Americans stand outside of our house in protest screaming YOU LIE!, he might hear us. We will be able to say “YOU LIE” because it will have everything in it he promised wouldn’t be in it.
truetexan on December 15, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Don’t you guys know that the public reaaally wants it?
It’s just Brooks Brothers and LL Bean conspiring to make people think Americans dont want hellcare
blatantblue on December 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM
The fact that they are bringing this up shows that they see a situation in which they don’t pass ANYTHING. They wouldn’t have this meeting if they weren’t scared. Do they really think this will encourage senators to change their vote?
I mean now they will just say ‘OK, you convinced me to vote for legislation that will ruin the fiscal health of this nation because we won’t be able to do it anytime in the future?’.
I would hope that senators would have a little more self respect than that.
ThackerAgency on December 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM
When this bill fails to pass, and the Dem experiment at central government control fails, Obama will react as predicted…he’ll blame the ultra-Right, those bitter clingers, those tea party folks…then he
will get mean…watch out for it. Executive orders signed every other day to make do when legislation fails.
I hope Obama is handed his nether reaches on a platter on this one.
For the entire past year, the debate has had nothing at all to do with the actual improvement of health care, nor the improved access to health care for all US citizens, nor to actually bring the true costs for care and for insurance down. Not one bit.
It has, however, been a thinly veiled attempt to make government as intrusive as ever into the personal lives of all Americans at a most personal level…one’s personal being, one’s health, one’s life.
Less than a year in office and Obama is headed toward the longest lame-duck administration since Andrew Johnson.
coldwarrior on December 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Ecce homo.
bluelightbrigade on December 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Obama (Bin Laden) is calling for suicide voters from his party soldiers.
Cybergeezer on December 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM
I think we are already in bankruptcy.
upinak on December 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Not to worry. Amnesty will provide 30 millin new Dem voters for 2012 and beyond. Can you say 75 Dem senators?
angryed on December 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM
The whole thing is tremendously unpopular with or without mandates.
thomasaur on December 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM
more people could afford healthcare if the economy improved and people wnt back to work.
But that’s just me, I use common sense.
Pcoop on December 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Right. The dems will be given high paying, life time appointments, and the Republicans will be dressed like the good humor man, tossing out condoms to all the lowly citizens, from made over ice cream trucks.
capejasmine on December 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM
And his point is?
EnochCain on December 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM
I’m listening to Evan Bayh on Cavuto……it sounds like he’s saying he won’t vote for it unless it’s deficit neutral and is also calling on Obama to veto that big $1.2 trillion dollar spending bill they passed on Saturday?
Hmmmmmm…….
Knucklehead on December 15, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Last shot to get in done all at once…at least for a few years.
Entropy favors the Left. This sort of socialism was inevitable…sooner or later a population becomes decadent and succumbs to the idea that they can make their lives better by forcing other people to pay their way through life. The Democrats (and to a lesser extent the GOP) chip away slowly at the foundations. This effort was extraordinary only because they are grabbing for so much all at once.
Asher on December 15, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Self importance trumps self-respect.
singer on December 15, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Maybe Barry ought to figure out that if you try to Rahm something down the people’s throats that will explode costs and diminish freedoms, the voters won’t appreciate it.
If they tried to institute some changes like tort reform and a competition across state lines, people would agree to that and they wouldn’t have to be fighting wit them to pass this crap sandwich.
But they aren’t going to do that, are they?
Because it’s not about healthcare or “Caring” about people, it all about CONTROL, and that’s all it ever been about.
People have woken up about this and they don’t like it, and if they Rahm it through weren’t not going to change our minds about it.
Juno77 on December 15, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Splendid assessment. However, he’ll also be the most destructive lame duck, ever.
Schadenfreude on December 15, 2009 at 4:12 PM
He makes it sound as if that’s a bad thing…
LASue on December 15, 2009 at 4:12 PM
I wish that little man would come here and try to warn me to do something.His arrogance and the media building him up have created a bully,the likes we have never seen. You’re not bullying me buddy!
ohiobabe on December 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Looks like there is inflation after all. Landrieu held out for $300 million. Two weeks later Nelson bends over for $500 million. /S
singer on December 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Yeah right. And maybe that’s all global warming piled four feet high on Omaha’s sidewalks.
Let’s be generous to the point of craziness for a moment and speculate that there will be such a massive ‘pendulum swing’ that by 2012:
Obama has been soundly defeated in his reelection bid.
80% of ALL the Dems in DC have been ousted.
Sarah Palin has been elected POTUS by a margin that is unquestionable to all but the lunatic fringe.
What then?
American memory span is pathetic, besides the fact that the lefties have a chokehold on nearly all of the ‘education’ field. And what about the core of Democrat-voting blacks who’ve had their votes solidly bought over the course of decades? Or all the left-wing advocacy organizations?
IMHO it will take, at most, twelve years before there is some sign of socialist healthcare looming on the horizon. Maybe that much longer before it becomes a credible threat.
The idea of ‘free’ healthcare for all will hardly go away if we win this round. Obama knows it, the Dems know it, and you better believe the average lefty won’t give up. (although many have a doom-and-gloom attitude that’s off the scale at the moment)
Dark-Star on December 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM
These Democrat senators have been dealing with their voters for far too long (notice I did not say constituents) if they think anybody with a brain is going to believe them when they say they won’t vote for the final bill if it isn’t to their liking.
In the end, the entire Democrat caucus will vote for it–regardless of their political demise. Who knows, perhaps they think Obama has written into the bill that he will remain POTUS forever and they think they will all be given czar status.
ConservativeTony on December 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Fixed it.
Juno77 on December 15, 2009 at 4:15 PM
You are right even when the vast majority of Americans do not want this they will do it anyway. At that point it is our repsonsibility to do whatever we can to vote them out of power.
milwife88 on December 15, 2009 at 4:17 PM
A good,solid B+
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on December 15, 2009 at 4:17 PM
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