Congressional Dems block release of security data to Illinois delegation
posted at 12:59 pm on December 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Should Congress debate the decision to relocate Gitmo detainees to Illinois with the full picture of the security issues involved? House Democrats blocked Republicans from releasing the full data on security, after which Rep. Pete Hoekstra released this statement 30 minutes ago (emphases mine):
U.S. Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., released his opening statement from today’s House Intelligence Committee meeting related to the intelligence impacts on the transfer of terrorist detainees from Guantanamo Bay to the United States. On the day that President Obama is to announce the transfer, Democrats rejected Hoekstra’s request to provide access to relevant security information related to the detainees to members of the Illinois congressional delegation. They also watered down his resolution of inquiry on the intelligence impact, rendering it useless for the purposes of transparency and conducting oversight into the administration’s Guantanamo Bay decision-making.
Opening Statement for Congressman Peter Hoekstra
House Intelligence Committee Meeting on Guantanamo Bay
As Prepared for DeliveryThank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate your scheduling today’s meeting to consider H. Res. 923, a resolution I sponsored to require the President to produce to the Committee all documents that relate to the potential loss of intelligence collection that may result from bringing Guantanamo detainees to the United States.
This matter is extremely timely. The Administration informed us last night that it intends to move hard-core al Qaeda terrorists to the United States for detention, even though right now that use of funds is prohibited by law and even though it has refused to brief either this Committee or the Committee on Armed Services in advance with respect to its intentions. In fact, we learned late last week that this move was close when a draft Executive Order was made public last week – not by the “most transparent Administration” in history, but instead by a blog. The decision has been made even though the relevant Committees of Congress still have not been consulted or briefed.
The American people have a right to know about the hardcore terrorists being brought to their neighborhoods, the threats that they pose and the serious issues that do not yet appear to have been addressed that must be answered before taking such an extreme step. One of these questions is the impact of such a move on intelligence collection, including potential warning of future attacks on the United States or intelligence that could affect the safety and security of the American communities in which the terrorists will be relocated. My resolution would require fuller disclosure and transparency on potential intelligence losses.
Before addressing the specifics of my resolution, Mr. Chairman, I also must address a related matter. On December 8, 2009, Republican members of the Illinois delegation – including Representatives Manzullo, Shimkus, Biggert, Kirk, Johnson, Roskam and Schock – requested access to classified information held by the Committee that I believe should be highly relevant to any decision to bring Guantanamo detainees to the State of Illinois. I reinforced this request in a follow-up letter dated December 11, 2009 and made an independent motion under the Committee Rules that a redacted version of the classified material be made available to these Members. The Committee Rules explicitly require such requests to be considered at the “earliest practicable opportunity.”
The classified information in question has been briefed to at least you and I for several months, and is in no way new to the Committee – you will remember that we had to fight to have the full Committee briefed. It is also highly material to the decision that will directly affect citizens in the districts of each of these Members of Congress. Simple fairness demands that we consider this request immediately.
That’s why I was surprised to receive a letter from you yesterday refusing to consider this request at today’s business meeting as the Rules specifically require. Mr. Chairman, you indicated you have refused to consider this request because “We have not yet been able to secure feedback … from the Administration.” The material in question has been condensed by my staff to one page. I find it difficult to believe that this material could not be reviewed in a day.
Although the Rule permits such consultation with the Administraion, nowhere does it authorize delaying the required prompt consideration of a Member’s request for this purpose. This is the next scheduled business meeting of the Committee, and it is certainly practicable to consider the urgent requests of these Members today. Refusing to do so in my view does not comply with the Committee Rules and can only further reinforce the public perception that the Administration is hiding critical facts from most Members of Congress and the public.
The Committee should not need permission from an Administration that has so completely refused to share any information with Members of Congress who have a direct interest in their districts in the threats that may be posed by Guantanamo detainees. “Next year” will be far too late.
Accordingly, I wish to make a formal point of order on the record that the failure to consider either the request of the Members of the Illinois delegation for access to the information, or my separate request to provide the information to those members is inconsistent with the express requirements of Committee Rule 12 that such request be considered at the “earliest practicable opportunity.” I urge you to reconsider this matter, and request that my objection be formally entered into the record.
Mr. Chairman, if we cannot have full transparency today, I hope that we can at least obtain some transparency with respect to potential losses to foreign intelligence collection from any movement of Guantanamo detainees to the United States, which is the subject of my resolution.
I have asked repeatedly for briefings on this matter, beginning almost immediately after the President’s Executive Order to implement his campaign promise to close Guantanamo by the end of the year – a promise that almost certainly will not be kept. For almost a year now, there has been little but stonewalling and a refusal to discuss the hard questions. I have asked until I am blue in the face. There have been no answers.
That is why I introduced H. Res. 923, which would require the President to provide the Committee with any documents that “relate to the effects on foreign intelligence collection of the transfer of detainees held at Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, into the United States.” I would hope that all Members of this Committee would want any information that is available to conduct oversight on this topic, because we currently have almost none. I cannot imagine why the resolution should be contentious or controversial, and I hope that all Members of the Committee will support it on a bipartisan basis.
The decisions that will be announced today on Guantanamo detainees need to be fully considered in sunlight, not forced upon the American people who have not been given access to all of the facts. This Committee has a right to know on behalf of the American people, and I hope we can take a small step today toward some meaningful transparency. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
If the committee cannot consider the request because the White House is stonewalling the request, then the committee should be subpoenaing the appropriate administration officials to get an answer. That should take place before Obama moves a single detainee. If it doesn’t, Congress should act to block such action until the White House starts working with Congress on the issue.
Mike Pence (R-IN) blasted the decision today as a pander to international opinion rather than increasing public safety:
“I was here at the Capitol on September the 11th. I watched the smoke rise from the Pentagon. I walked in the ashes of Ground Zero one week later. Terrorism is not theoretical to me. That’s why, like most Americans, I was astonished to read this morning’s press reports that the Obama Administration is about to transfer over seventy known dangerous terrorists from the military detention facility in Guantanamo Bay outside the United States to a prison inside the United States in the heartland of America, in the state of Illinois.
“By moving known terrorists to American soil, the Obama Administration is putting international public relations ahead of public safety. How does closing Guantanamo Bay make us safer? How does moving over seventy known terrorists, to a facility in my beloved heartland of this country, make our families more safe? And how does it even make sense? Mr. President: rescind this order; reconsider your decision, put the safety and security of the American people ahead of international public opinion.”










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“President Ogabe making yet another excellent and wise decision.”
-BleedsBlue
Bishop on December 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM
It seems everything is a secret in this administration. Disgusting.
becki51758 on December 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM
IL state government is to hold a hearing on the sale of the prison to the feds. IL GOP has asked IL AG, a Dem, to provide insight if the Gov of IL needs to obey the determination of the hearing. The IL Gov says he can ignore the results of the hearing.
WashJeff on December 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM
“I’m a B+ predident. I know best” — Obama
Schadenfreude on December 15, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Don’t we have enough home grown terrorists here without bring terrorists from other countries here in our country?
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letget on December 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Good statement by Pence. Putting international opinion (of him) ahead of the safety of Americans is exactly what Maobama is doing.
james23 on December 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM
The Law of Unintended Consequences should be interesting with this one…
Watch the Democrats stand on the sidelines like innocent bystanders when dead count passes ten thousand.
Seven Percent Solution on December 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM
When has that stopped them?
Vashta.Nerada on December 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM
No wonder Barry dithered on A’stan. The next hot spot will be Illinois.
How many millions are they spending for ~ 4,000 jobs? Typical of this administration.
Cody1991 on December 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM
But secretly releases other inmates early…..
Ill. prisons shave terms, secretly release inmates
So how many terrorists get early release?
Knucklehead on December 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM
What? You thought the Obamoron or any of the Democrats gave a rats ass about the personal safety of the citizens of Illinios or the United States of America or their opinions on this craptastic move. Guess again.
TrickyDick on December 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM
So the plan is to move the hardcore terrorists from the most secure prison on the planet straight to the heartland of America while leaving the cannon-fodder behind?
Can we lock up the 53%’ers in the same place as those fanatics?
Bishop on December 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I have a sincere question. Won’t the terrorist be able to “lawyer up” and demand a trial as soon as they cross into American airspace?
txag92 on December 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Related parody: Obama Brings “Terrorist Olympians” to Home State as “Consolation Prize” for His Failure to Bring Real Olympics to Chicago http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/12/obama-brings-terrorist-olympians-to.html
Mervis Winter on December 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM
I have a serious question. Won’t these terrorist be able to “lawyer up” and demand a trial as soon as they cross into American airspace?
txag92 on December 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Sorry for the double post. d’Oh
txag92 on December 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM
So…looking at the way the media is covering for anyone and everyone who has a D next to their name…if a terrorist escapes from this prison in IL, will we even be informed?
Didn’t congress pass a law making it illegal to fund movement of any GITMO prisoners onto US soil?
Mord on December 15, 2009 at 1:19 PM
I wonder when a critical mass of American voters will realize that this president by definition cannot make a “good” decision. That is, no leftist, acting in accordance to instinct and predeliction, can possibly make a decision which is not socially destructive and anti-American.
In a sense, this is the single beauty of the Obama presidency. He is providing America a “teachable moment” which, if we have any self-respect left, we won’t soon forget.
rrpjr on December 15, 2009 at 1:20 PM
right on, right on, right on!
cmsinaz on December 15, 2009 at 1:20 PM
What’s one law breaking mean when you plan to break even more to get your “show trial” underway?
You know that the terrorists lawyers are going to use Obama’s and Holder’s own words on trial to try to get a mistrial.
I’m not looking forward to this. We have to raise more stink about this.
shick on December 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Quinn did that before Huckabee\Washington POlice murder happened. I wonder if Quinn had an “Oh no” moment when that story broke.
WashJeff on December 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Are the (D)s truly this insane?
cmsinaz on December 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Why are seventy known dangerous terrorists not found guilty yet? If they’re guilty, why can they not rot with the other guilty?
The Calibur on December 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM
growfins and bleedsblue go first
cmsinaz on December 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Be fun to see the polling data on the 2010 Illinois senate and gubernatorial races after the public there digests this latest nugget from the Obama Administration.
jon1979 on December 15, 2009 at 1:26 PM
But that what Presidents are for!
/trolls
mankai on December 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Watch in few years they relocate other domestically caught subjects to this prison. It will be the main location to keep these guys. Then over time other Muslims as “religious advisors” will also move to this town to comfort. You will have mosques built and other centers. It’s bad idea to move these people here.
Oil Can on December 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Yes.
bluelightbrigade on December 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Obama really is trying to be a 1/2 term president.
farright on December 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Just so you know how serious the government is about providing every conceivable assurance on the highest level of security for the world’s most dangerous terrorists, you can go to Google Earth and view the prison in intimate detail. I just checked, and contrary to the blurred image of some other “high value” targets in those photographs, the terrorists can see exactly what the lay of the land is – an attack so easy to plan a cave man could do it.
Good job, Barry. May you never have the blood on your hands that you are so determined to get.
turfmann on December 15, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Yes.
They have not made any decisions that reflect the majority of the people in this country. They are completely out of control, and they certainly do not care for the safety of its citizens. Nothing they do will harm them only us. But we are expendable.
Cody1991 on December 15, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Every single Congressmen whose state shares a border with the Mississippi should ask for increased security funding.
If Somali pirates can attack boats 800 miles off shore, jihadis in America won’t restrict their attack to just around Thomson.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Durbin is a moron. I have emailed his office about this and healthcare and get a form email back basically saying he knows what is best.
I live near this mess. By the way, nothing in the newspapers about this until yesterday after we hear it is decided.
momof2 on December 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Wolverines!
cmsinaz on December 15, 2009 at 1:33 PM
GrowFins would have waaay to much fun playing drop the soap with the Islamicists. I think BleedsBlue is better than that. Bill Blizzard or dave742–now those two are probably pining away to get ravaged by an Islamikaze.
PimFortuynsGhost on December 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Clean out the entire congress!!!!!!!! Crooked SOB’s, every last one of them. Can’t wait to see what Nelson’s price tag is………… disgusting.
ultracon on December 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM
I think the other portion of the prison should be devoted to convicted Governors, Senators, Representatives, Mayors and hopefully a Potus and Flotus.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM
So much for that public hearing up in Sterling, huh?
Knucklehead on December 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM
:-)
cmsinaz on December 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM
If you are in IL and surrounding areas, I suggest you move.
upinak on December 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM
“Most transparent Congress evah, because the people have a right to know.”
Nanci Lugosi
Itchee Dryback on December 15, 2009 at 1:39 PM
I hope this is covered by the MSM.
farright on December 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Why are seventy known dangerous terrorists not found guilty yet? If they’re guilty, why can they not rot with the other guilty?
Is this a serious question?
Grayzel on December 15, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Who is going to be in charge of this prison in Ill. and who are the guards going to be, military or civilian? Is this facility for the Gito prisoners only or will there also be prisoners from all over the country. Is there a military base near or will one have to be built? Is there an airport near?
dragondrop on December 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Hey, Illinois…how’s that hope and change working out for ya?
I’d like to see an investigation as to which Obama crony is making a financial or political profit from this act. I don’t know how or who, but I know that Obama is so vile, and Illinois politics is so corrupt, that this must be true. Land of Lincoln, my a$$. If Lincoln were alive today, he’d move back to Indiana.
SKYFOX on December 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM
For Sale
3 Bedroom Townhouse with full basement.
Plenty of parking and only a short distance from the new Gitmo Prison.
Will. Sell. Cheap.
Knucklehead on December 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Is there a soccar feild or a in prison store that sells prayer rugs? Cause lord forbid we deprive these f_cks of anything there entitled to…
SHARPTOOTH on December 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Pretty much everything in Illinois is controlled out of Chicago by the Daley machine – you know…. the same guys that are in the WH.
So, you have nothing to worry about. All is well. Barry’s masters will take care of everything.
Just pay your ever-increasing taxes, shut up and eat more arugula or grass – whatever you can afford.
Cody1991 on December 15, 2009 at 1:48 PM
How much of Osama Obama’s sh!t do we have to take?
In a long list of destructive, anti-American acts and orders the Chicago Jesus has either committed, issued or pushed through his tame weasels in congress, this has the most potential for directly harming U.S. citizens.
It is a compelling reason to impeach him now, and the fact that such calls have not been issued by our so-called servants in D.C. is simply a strong sign of how corrupt and vile our system has become under the Thug-in-Chief’s regime.
MrScribbler on December 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
No military base close by. O’Hare airport is about 100 miles away. But there are smaller ones nearby.
But there’s a nice nuclear reactor about 20 miles from the prison, and the Mississippi River is only a stones throw away in case you want to use your bass boat to visit the prison.
Knucklehead on December 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
In other words, a great place to plan an attack on the local prison.
Bishop on December 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM
But there’s a nice nuclear reactor about 20 miles from the prison, and the Mississippi River is only a stones throw away in case you want to use your bass boat to visit the prison.
Knucklehead on December 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Yes, and for as ardently as Barry’s ilk argue that Gitmo was a recruiting tool for terrorists, there is also a good one for insisting that these guys will be a magnet for terrorists. The difference is that there are so many soft targets when we keep these animals in the US.
And who’s to say that with all the graft, corruption and crime in Illinois that security will not be compromised? Count on it.
Cody1991 on December 15, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Putting Terrorist in America, making it more feasible for people to get to them, for them to preach their hatred to prisoners and even to a point of making them martyrs. Great IDEA!
Even more so, why not leave the American South West open so illegals and drugs and any Army can roll across the border. Oh…that’s already being done.
More inane practices from our wonderful government who is completely out of touch with reality. To much LSD!
Orion Prime on December 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Is being naive the same as being incompetent if the actions taken result in the same action taken?
volsense on December 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM
If I were in AQ’s command and control I’d be thinking that this is a brilliant way to disperse AQ cell members all around the country. Maybe O.B.L. can send Obambi a videogram to thank him for his help.
Buy Danish on December 15, 2009 at 2:08 PM
It sounds like it has already been decided. I think I read that Quinn believes he can ignore anything that comes out of the public hearings, Durbin is a type A personality salesman and won’t listen to arguments against it, Obama said he would have Gitmo closed by Jan 22 (and I bet he pushes that date so that he can earn his B+). And Pelosi and Reid will thumbscrew the Dems again.
We are so up the Miss without a paddle. Do you really have a townhouse by the prison?
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Worst case scenario: a few hundred muzzies slip into the country [via Canada], attack the facility, free the lot of them and they all go on a multi-state terror spree.
[CAIR decries 'profiling' and violence against muslims.]
Best case scenario: . . . . . . . .
[CAIR decries 'profiling' and violence against muslims.]
CPT. Charles on December 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Local comment section
Have at em.
Peoria Journal Star
tehd on December 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Very true… but the “best case” occurs on a daily basis anyway so we should just continue to ignore them altogether.
mankai on December 15, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Barry’s bitten off more than he can chew on this one.
GarandFan on December 15, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Fixed that for you.
Scrappy on December 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Lordy. What’s next?
matthew26 on December 15, 2009 at 2:31 PM
We’re all expendable. What’s important is the care, well being, and comfort of the terrorists.
capejasmine on December 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM
How low can BHO ratings go? We are about to see.
d1carter on December 15, 2009 at 2:40 PM
REVISION:
Best case scenario: . . . . . . . .
[ . . . the ACLU defense lawyers get slaughtered in the cross-fire.]
Other than that, there is no ‘best case’ scenario,
CPT. Charles on December 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Wrong part of Illinois. Thomson is between Dubuque and the Quad Cities right on the Mississippi. It lies north of 88. If you look at the top of Illinois where it is “squeezed”, Thomson is on the west side directly across from Chicago.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM
70 terrorists created or saved.
Little Boomer on December 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM
So, who among you wants to give confidential secret information to Chicago politicians?
Who can blame the President (or the CIA) of balking at doing it.
I think we have already paid for a fantastic secure facility down at Gitmo. I don’t think we need “Orange Jobs”
barnone on December 15, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Everyone that lives in IL and surrounding states call your local rep and just raise hell. If the prison goes in, you go out.
Oil Can on December 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Big, big roll of the dice on this one. If any of those yahoos walks free in the U.S. or a terrorist event occurs because of their presence here, the donks will wear their reputation for softness on crime and national security forever.
a capella on December 15, 2009 at 3:22 PM
I hope these little darlings freeze their rears off in Illinois! They have been in a nice tropic area with lots of sun and warm. It looks like the gw thing is hiting Illinois real good.
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letget on December 15, 2009 at 3:33 PM
“But secretly releases other inmates early…..
Ill. prisons shave terms, secretly release inmates
So how many terrorists get early release?
Knucklehead on December 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM
One of the key words being “secretly.” Who knew they were released and when did they know it? Anyone else think that Quinn is fully capable of pulling a “George Ryan” and pardoning all of the soon to be Illinois “guest” terrorists? I can’t wait to get out of this state, never to return.
MayorDaley on December 15, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Hey, I don’t know about you guys, but Senator Roland Burris has given his assurances that this is cool, so I’m like totally reassured now.
Buy Danish on December 15, 2009 at 3:41 PM
“So, who among you wants to give confidential secret information to Chicago politicians?”
barnone on December 15, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Not a problem because the Chicago pols are easily silenced by “suicide” or “aspirin.” Although there have been a few bodies found in the Chicago River as of late.
MayorDaley on December 15, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Mike Pence should be the next POTUS. By far, he’s the best candidate.
nottakingsides on December 15, 2009 at 4:20 PM
I have a serious question. Won’t these terrorist be able to “lawyer up” and demand a trial as soon as they cross into American airspace?
txag92 on December 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Yes. And more to the point, they MUST be released as they were denied due process. They get Constitutional protections as soon as they’re in the states. This is simply a fact.
I’ve been told before that I was wrong about this, but the only evidence I got was from WWII (some germans were executed). To this I say, are you serious? Do you really think we’re gonna treat these terrorists that badly? Do you really think this administration has any intent to treat them worse than the last one (who treated them pretty darn well if ya ask me)?
The only result, if I’m right, is an almost immediate release of all detainees. We have no choice, our own Constitution demands it. Barry took all that talk about the Constitution not being a suicide pact and decided “Yes We Can!!!”
runawayyyy on December 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Big, big roll of the dice on this one. If any of those yahoos walks free in the U.S. or a terrorist event occurs because of their presence here, the donks will wear their reputation for softness on crime and national security forever.
a capella on December 15, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Surely you don’t believe this. These are the same democrats who were directly responsible for 9-11, remember the infamous “wall”? Did they pay any price they didn’t recover from in less than 6 years? No, the problem isn’t the dems, the problem is us.
runawayyyy on December 15, 2009 at 4:34 PM
No, the problem is that the Democrats control the national “news media”. They used it to almost steal the Presidency for AlGore in 2000 and for Jeanne-Claude Kerri in 2004, then used it to shift the blame for Hurricane Katrina to Chimpy Bush.
They then used it to elect Dear Leader in 2008.
Del Dolemonte on December 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM
The problem for us is that Obooboo doesn’t think our local terrorists are up to the job. So as the first step in immigration reform and staffing his NEW civilian security force, Barry has agreed to import some out of town talent. Think of them as a cadre. They’ll be in charge of “training” the rest of us how to react to insurgent activities.
Blacksmith8 on December 15, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Well I for one, am just THRILLED to see how this “transparency” of the The Won’s regime is working out. Simply magnificent!
oldleprechaun on December 15, 2009 at 7:31 PM
U.S. Rep Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich, said: The Administration informed us last night that it intends to move hard-core al Qaeda terrorists to the United States for detention, even though right now that use of funds is prohibited by law.
When has that stopped them?
Maybe this is a time for the Repubs to go to the Supreme Court? Just like Honduras and Zelaya.
Really, that’s what the court is for, as a check and balance of powers.
If the Executive Branch is overstepping their authority, and ignoring the Legislative Branch’s authority (denial) of funding, the Court needs to decide. Otherwise, there’s no stopping of Executive power.
mhrepub on December 16, 2009 at 5:59 AM
No need to slip in across the boarder when Dearborn is a short 4 hours by car, 30 minutes by plane. The Feds are always raiding or watching someplace in Dearborn, you can’t tell me there isn’t at least a few dozen terrorist living in Dearborn ready for their virgins.
Quality Weenie on December 16, 2009 at 10:44 AM