Report: White House orders Reid to make a deal with Lieberman; Update: Obama summons Senate Dems to WH

posted at 4:07 pm on December 14, 2009 by Allahpundit

Ace thinks this is an elaborate kabuki by Obama and Reid to kill the Medicare provision while protecting Dingy Harry from nutroots reprisals by scapegoating Joementum. Is it?

The White House is encouraging Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to cut a deal with Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), which would mean eliminating the proposed Medicare expansion in the health reform bill, according to an official close to the negotiations.

But Reid is described as so frustrated with Lieberman that he is not ready to sacrifice a key element of the health care bill, and first wants to see the Congressional Budget Office cost analysis of the Medicare buy-in. The analysis is expected early this week.

“There is a weariness and a lot of frustration that one person is holding up the will of 59 others,” the official said. “There is still too much anger and confusion at one particular senator’s reversal.”…

Democrats are frustrated because they believe Lieberman keeps moving the goal posts. He supported the Medicare buy in the 2000 presidential campaign, and in September reiterated support for the plan in an interview with the Connecticut Post.

If it’s kabuki, why send the bill to CBO to be scored? Reid could simply hold onto it, wait for Lieberman to preemptively shoot it down, and then claim the “ol’ college try” political cover he needs to please the left. By sending it to CBO, he’s taking a risk: Given the crumbling polls and wavering by Blue Dogs like Nelson and Lincoln, if it comes back graded as a budget-buster, centrists may decide that there’s no way to get to 60 and the whole thing could collapse. Don’t forget either that they’re desperate to pass this by Christmas so that public anger will cool a bit over the holidays and The One will have a major accomplishment to stroke in his State of the Union speech. If it drags into January — as one Senate aide tells John Hawkins will certainly happen — those benefits are lost, which leaves Reid with little time now to mess around with kabuki. In fact, according to Politico, if they don’t hold a cloture vote by the end of this week, this thing ain’t happening in December. Besides, if it’s all kabuki, why rely on Lieberman to be a scapegoat “no” vote instead of recruiting your own? Mark Pryor comes from a red state and isn’t up for reelection until 2014; progressives aren’t going to go after him and give up a seat, especially that far into the future.

One other reason to believe this isn’t kabuki: The leader of the House’s progressive caucus told ABC today that he absolutely wants a conference committee with the Senate if/when it finally passes something, which makes the “ping-pong strategy” for passing a final bill unlikely. That also points to nothing getting done this month, but more importantly, it suggests that Reid’s Medicare idea is on the level. He has to give the liberals in the House something in the way of a public option if they’re going to ping-pong this, and right now, thanks to Lieberman, he’s giving them nothing.

Here’s a fun new clip from Naked Emperor News about the curious similarity between the Medicare buy-in and The One’s dream scenario of getting to single-payer piecemeal. Not sure how that squares with kabuki, either. Exit question: What does Lieberman get out of this? Even if he and Reid do strike a deal, even if he does end up switching parties, he’ll be the left’s number-one target in 2012 for having singlehandedly killed the public option. (They’re already going after his wife.) How does he plan to survive politically in deep-blue Connecticut after this?

Update: The One hits the panic button. Again, probably not kabuki.

President Barack Obama will meet with Senate Democrats at the White House Tuesday to press for action at a make-or-break moment for his health care overhaul.

All 60 members of the Democratic caucus have been invited, according to three Democratic officials.

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Anybody recall that the Legislature is a separate body from the executive office?

There’s a REASON these bodies are kept separate.

Obama’s “summons” and other sorts of berating like this smacks of an UNCONSTITUTIONAL power grab.

But it’s not like Obama, the “constitutional” scholar understood the concept of checks and balances.

Skywise on December 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM

The last time he brought them there was for a republicans are scaring you message. I’m sure the next message will be similar.

Be strong Joe…You are our only hope.

tomas on December 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe:

HISTORY IS CALLING, SWEETIES. WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER?

SouthernGent on December 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM

My thoughts/fears exactly. I have no real hope that this won’t pass. I’m more confident that the Dems can bribe just enough RINO’s to get it passed.

Midas on December 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe:

HISTORY IS CALLING, SWEETIES. WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER?

SouthernGent on December 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Yeah, I’m more worried about the Hag Twins of Maine than I am of Lieberman and Nelson.

I have a feeling they may have another historic orgasm.

Enoxo on December 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM

When everything is a ‘crisis’, then what is the point of inviting all 60 Senators to the White House to tell them that this is a ‘crisis’…?

Seven Percent Solution on December 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Obama to his senators: “Do this in remembrance of me Saint Ted Kennedy.”

GaltBlvnAtty on December 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM

FIFY

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Breaking White House News: Just delivered, 500 lbs. of dead fish…

d1carter on December 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Political Kabuki:

An extremely stylized political show where the roles of the actors (for example, Senators) are as predefined as the outcome, the result being, even under the most extreme circumstances, only barely (if at all) recognizable as what can be considered reasonable discourse amongst educated men and women interested in the public good.

Paul_in_NJ on December 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Joe will be fine here in CT. He more than survived the Dean/LaMont coup attempt, and he’ll survive standing up to Reid/Nobama. When Dodd gets tossed out on his a$$, Joe will be the senior Senator from CT for as long as he wants it.

joejm65 on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

“There is a weariness and a lot of frustration that one person is holding up the will of 59 others,” the official said.

Well, since there are 100 Senators, technically there are 41 people holding up the will of 59 others. This, by the way, is exactly what our founders intended. Don’t like it? Amend the constitution.

Meezles on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Libtard heads exploding! Pass the popcorn!!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM

I’ll take a large with butter and salt!

conservative pilgrim on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

He is not a republican. He was the standard bearer for the democratic party. He votes with democrats more often than not.

Sue on December 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Except, of course, for the Democratic ticket last November and the cornerstone domestic program of the Democratic Administration.

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

these guys are scared to death of the president.

tomas on December 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM

At one time, maybe, but not so much anymore. Obama’s falling poll numbers make it easier to oppose him. Even muscle men like Rahm can only do so much, because Rahm’s political capital diminishes with Obama’s poll numbers, just as Obama’s political capital does.

Missy on December 14, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Breaking White House News: Just delivered, 500 lbs. of dead fish…

d1carter on December 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Sarah Palin thought they needed some help with the Flies.

upinak on December 14, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Hmmmm… wonder if Joe Biden was invited…

You know… the guy who, Constitutionaly, presides over the Senate?

Romeo13 on December 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM

“There is a weariness and a lot of frustration that one person is holding up the will of 59 others,” the official said.

Well, since there are 100 Senators, technically there are 41 people holding up the will of 59 others. This, by the way, is exactly what our founders intended. Don’t like it? Amend the constitution.

Meezles on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Filibusters have nothing to do with the Founding Fathers or the Constitution.

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM

because it is

tomas on December 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM

So Obama “asks” all 60 Democrat (or D caucus) members for a private chat. Then, after it fails, he’ll blame the Republicans. And probably Bush, too.

jwolf on December 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Because the liberal/democrat agenda is patently against the interests of this country, the Constitution, etc.

Voting *with* the Dems is not only a sign of impaired intellect, but a sign of betrayal to one’s oath to protect and uphold the Constitution, etc.

Voting *against* the Dems is therefore, a noble act indeed.

Midas on December 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I doubt Grand Wizard Byrd (D-WV) will be able to make it. Is it wrong that I hope he doesn’t make the vote, too?

SouthernGent on December 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM

They will roll him in on life support to get the vote.

farright on December 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Because he’s hurting Democrats and their disastrous agenda…she’s helping. That’s why.

AUINSC on December 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

The key difference is that there is no real threat to Olympia. Her seat is safe and so is her status w/in the GOP, and she has the media to kiss her butt when she votes with the Dems, as well as the Dems themselves. Lieberman goes much further out on the limb because he is siding with the minority, not the majority, and his seat as well as his committee positions are at stake. Bottom line, he’s risking more.

Missy on December 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM

“There is a weariness and a lot of frustration that one person is holding up the will of 59 others,” the official said. “There is still too much anger and confusion at one particular senator’s reversal.”…

There are only 100 Senators, how could only one hold things up?

Oh forgot, Obama excluded/banned 40 Senators from the legislative process.

Tactically Stupid, Strategically Dumb,

AKA Political hissy fit.

DSchoen on December 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM

How does he plan to survive politically in deep-blue Connecticut after this?

If he loses in 2012 he just ends up as Secretary of Defense or State in the new GOP administration. A fine way to end a career.

Mark1971 on December 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Given his reputation for honesty and morality, wouldn’t it be better if Joe just started caucusing with the Republicans? Of course, he’s lose his committee chairmanship then.

But he’s not a Republican. He agrees with them on a few issues – like national security – just as JFK would have.

He’s not a doctrinaire, socialist Obamatron robot, on other words. When Republicans like Snowe and Collins caucus with Democrats, we’re told they’re “courageous” by the same people decrying Lieberman for doing what they do. He’s a maverick. That’s a good thing. We’ve got too many drones in the Democrat party, and he’s not one of them.

But Brave Joe Lieberman would never let political expediency get in the way of doing the right thing, would he?

Of course, Obama and the Dmeocrats aren’t politically motivated here, either.

No. Not them. No politics involved here. Only disinterested, dispassionated altruism and a concern for their fellow man Obamacrat constituents.

It’s because he’s standing with the majority of Americans that Joe Lieberman is being tossed under the Hope-n-Change express by the people who tried to make him Veep not more than a decade ago.

It’s not October 2008, BB. It’s December 2009. The political wind has shifted, and Obama and the Democrats are in trouble because they overreached, overspent, overran the opposition and the American people noticed that this wasn’t the “change” they voted for (despite his most devoted acolytes’ contentions to the contrary).

Change is coming, and the Obamacrats are going to get what’s coming to them.

Good Lt on December 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM

P.S. to Bleeds Blue: Broadway Joe is Joe Namath, not Joe Lieberman. How old are you again?

Missy on December 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM

This whole pile of crap needs to be dump[ed in the trash …

If there was anything in this pile that would improve health care or decrease costs for Americans, no one has found it yet. It’s all about reparations, just like the climategate fraud.

tarpon on December 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Because Snowe is a Republican and Joe is NOT a Democrat, he’s an independant.

Bobbertsan on December 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM

So Obama “asks” all 60 Democrat (or D caucus) members for a private chat. Then, after it fails, he’ll blame the Republicans. And probably Bush, too.

jwolf on December 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Of course he’ll blame Bush. I just am waiting for the time when the number of people who want Bush back beats the number of people who approve of Obama.

It’s so coming.

gophergirl on December 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I just glanced at HuffPo and Jane Hamsher (?) or whatever that liberal blogger is named who put Lieberman in blackface in the past is now calling on celebrities to stop breast cancer research funding charity work because Joe Lieberman’s wife has breast cancer.

And people are wondering how Joe Lieberman takes another 6 year term in the Senate?

Marcus on December 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Cuz Joe is not a Democrat, remember you Dems FIRED him! Idiot.

DSchoen on December 14, 2009 at 4:51 PM

I just glanced at HuffPo and Jane Hamsher (?) or whatever that liberal blogger is named who put Lieberman in blackface in the past is now calling on celebrities to stop breast cancer research funding charity work because Joe Lieberman’s wife has breast cancer.

And people are wondering how Joe Lieberman takes another 6 year term in the Senate?

Marcus on December 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM

*facepalm*

gophergirl on December 14, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

BTW, you do realize this is a partisan site loaded with wingnut partisans readers, right?

We want the Dems to lose on everything…because they are destroying America…we aren’t like CNN and NBC…claiming we’re even handed while surreptitiously skewing every story into lefty talking points.

AUINSC on December 14, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Well, becuase Lieberman’s betrayal here helps the right, obviously.

He’s not too different from Snowe in that they both seem to cross the aisle on their side’s more critical pieces of legislation/ core principles.

It’s just your side’s turn to be frustrated by it.

BadgerHawk on December 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

There are only 58 democrats in the Senate, no? Sanders (hehe) and Lieberman are independents.

SouthernGent on December 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Of course he’ll blame Bush. I just am waiting for the time when the number of people who want Bush back beats the number of people who approve of Obama.

It’s so coming.

gophergirl on December 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM

It’s definitely coming. I’m frankly stunned we’re already at 50-44 in that poll last week.

Doughboy on December 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Welcome to a conservatives world for the last 30 yrs, nimrod. We’ve been putting up with liberal spotlighting of every single time some RINO decides to cast a vote with the Dhimmicrats by the liberal media and press for so long that we are sick and tired of being betrayed. America keeps moving farther and farther to the left, although most folks don’t want it to go that way, and have said we are on the wrong track for the last 15 yrs.

Stop spending the people’s money and give it back to them. You would win election everytime if you did. But I recognize that’s not in yours or any Dhimmicrat’s DNA. Of course, that just makes you the special, doesn’t it?

Subsunk

Subsunk on December 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Plus the left primaried Lieberman and ran him out of the frickin party. It’s pretty fun to watch you cry about ‘betrayal’.

BadgerHawk on December 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Snowe and Collins voting with Democrats = brave, principled, sensible Republicans.

Lieberman refusing to support the government-mandated destruction of American health care = viscious Cheney-loving neocon

Interesting calculus the Obamazombies have there, isn’t it?

Good Lt on December 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM

P.S. to Bleeds Blue: Broadway Joe is Joe Namath, not Joe Lieberman. How old are you again?

Missy on December 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM

old enough that I won fifty cents from my dad on the 1969 Super Bowl.

I’m starting to think of him as Broadway Joe because because his greatest political goal is to draw attention to himself. His ego should be in lights on the Great White Way.

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

To clarify my last comment: A political party is supposed to be composed of people of like-minded values, financially supported by people with like-minded values. Olympia can vote however she wants, but if she isn’t going to act like a Republican, she shouldn’t pretend to be one just for the money and support she gets from the party. And before you say anything, yes, it’s OK to disagree with other Republican’s occasionally, but not all the time.

Lieberman is an independent, so nothing I said in the previous paragraph applies to him.

Bobbertsan on December 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

I saw someone ask the question, but I didn’t see the answer.

When does Congress go on their Christmas break? How many more days do they have to try and jam this thru?

Knucklehead on December 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

There is a weariness and frustration that 59 people are going against the will of hundreds of millions of Americans too.

Bishop on December 14, 2009 at 4:11 PM

This was my first thought–almost verbatim. Well said.

schafkopf on December 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Joe votes according to his beliefs. I disagree with him on lots of things but the man has never lied to the people (that I’m aware of) just to keep his job. There are more important things than being a senator. Like being true to yourself and your CONVICTIONS.

Guardian on December 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Plus the left primaried Lieberman and ran him out of the frickin party. It’s pretty fun to watch you cry about ‘betrayal’.

BadgerHawk on December 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM

True enough. I thought it was stupid move on their part but, not being a Connecticut voter, had no say in the matter.

Ned Lamont — what the hell were they thinking? The had to know it would end badly.

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM

I’m starting to think of him as Broadway Joe because because his greatest political goal is to draw attention to himself

Right.

And Snowe and Collins and Graham and Arlen Specter don’t/didn’t want attention. They’re just “principled” when the caucus with Democrats.

Remove the beam from thine own eye, Obamacrat.

Good Lt on December 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

BTW, you do realize this is a partisan site loaded with wingnut partisans readers, right?
We want the Dems to lose on everything…because they are destroying America…we aren’t like CNN and NBC…claiming we’re even handed while surreptitiously skewing every story into lefty talking points.
AUINSC on December 14, 2009 at 4:51 PM

We want the Dems to lose on everything…because they are Want to destroy America…

That can’t be emphasized enough – the National Socialists are trying to run this country into the ground with the same moronic ideas over and over again.

They either cannot or refuse to learn the lessons of history – that Statism is a failure each and every time it’s been tried.

In short, we want them to FAIL, because success for them mean the country fails.

Juno77 on December 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

There is a weariness and frustration that 59 people are going against the will of hundreds of millions of Americans too.

Bishop on December 14, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Excellent Smithers,

royzer on December 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Ned Lamont — what the hell were they thinking? The had to know it would end badly.

They weren’t.

They were emoting and letting the Nutroots “think” for them.

With predictable results.

Good Lt on December 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

these guys are scared to death of the president.

tomas on December 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM

After showing no coat tails in the VA and NJ gubenatorial races last month, the one thing he can’t deliver is votes for the ones up for re-election in 2010. So, the only thing he can do at this point is to attempt to bribe the holdouts with money a la Landrieu.

Lieberman may be a liberal on most issues, but he’s not at all a sell-out type. The others, I’m not so sure about, so we’ll see.

But there’s no question Obama and Reid are showing great desperation by this last-minute White House meeting, which is good. It also shows rather vividly that the Republicans have been shut out of the entire debate, an even better thing for 2010.

TXUS on December 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Has anyone seen the picture of Harry on Drudge? Too funny! It is almost pathetic…almost.

milwife88 on December 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM

His ego should be in lights on the Great White Way.

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

That is pretty funny considering the size of the ego of the guy you voted for. But it appears I was wrong about your age – sorry.

Missy on December 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM

They do not have 59 votes and I think their Christmas break starts on thursday.

dogsoldier on December 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Doesn’t Obama go to Copenhagen on Friday? If he leaves town with no health care deal he’s going to look even weaker than usual over there. What a mess.

Missy on December 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Anyone else think that Rahm may try to re-create that scene from The Untouchables by using Lieberman’s head as batting practice?

teke184 on December 14, 2009 at 5:09 PM

They do not have 59 votes and I think their Christmas break starts on thursday.
dogsoldier on December 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Considering that most people don’t want that bureaucratic monstrosity, the best Christmas present for the country would for it to be defeated.

Juno77 on December 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

What is this “White House ordered” crap. Have we completely lost our Constitutional separation of powers. Somebody needs to give Obama a quick history lesson because he apparently flunked the test on his first try.

rplat on December 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

I’m starting to think of him as Broadway Joe because because his greatest political goal is to draw attention to himself

Right.

And Snowe and Collins and Graham and Arlen Specter don’t/didn’t want attention. They’re just “principled” when the caucus with Democrats.

Remove the beam from thine own eye, Obamacrat.

Good Lt on December 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Specter is clearly a whore, but he’s our whore now, and more than any other Senate Democrat has to walk the line, which is good for party discipline.

Snowe gets a little annoying, but Collins seems to be pretty averse to public Hamlet-playing.

Lieberman enjoys all the perks of being a Democrat, but seems to go out of his way to give the party the finger. The high-profile endorsement of McCain should have been enough to get him booted out of the caucus, but we needed his vote. If he can’t deliver on this, there’s no reason to keep him around.

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM

They do not have 59 votes and I think their Christmas break starts on thursday.

dogsoldier on December 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

It starts on the 20th thru January 9th.

Knucklehead on December 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Back room deals.
Ah. The smell of politics.

Badger40 on December 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Get out the Checkbook and the Ambassadorships.

If you thought the $300M that Landrieu got was big bucks, wait until you see how much Lieberman, Snowe and others will be offered.

barnone on December 14, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Public anger is not going to cool over Christmas. The more people realize what these morons are doing, or have done if they pass this thing, those who passed it will be finished.
Most people in America have pretty good health care and pretty good insurance. If this thing passes, they will have just screwed %80 of America in a very noticeable way. Even people who are not paying attention will sooner or later go to their doctor or end up in the ER. Even if the law will not go into effect until after the next election, the changes are going to start.
This congress keeps seeing how far out they can stretch the American people. They keep testing and pushing and testing and taking. 11 months from now will be the test. We are pass the half way mark for putting a stop to the insanity of this our of control government!

JellyToast on December 14, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Somebody needs to give Obama a quick history lesson because he apparently flunked the test on his first try.
rplat on December 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

There’s a difference between not learning and not Wanting to learn.

What Obowmao doesn’t know won’t hurt… his ambitions.

Juno77 on December 14, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Huffpo has a post up entitled “What Would You Give Joe Lieberman For Hanukkah?

The left has put up “a case of syphillis”, dysentery, and, of course, the Jooooos conspiracy folks posting there too.

Stay classy Huffpo.

batter on December 14, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Lieberman enjoys all the perks of being a Democrat, but seems to go out of his way to give the party the finger.

That’s called principle and independent-mindedness. You know – things the Democrats claim to celebrate.

The high-profile endorsement of McCain should have been enough to get him booted out of the caucus, but we needed his vote. If he can’t deliver on this, there’s no reason to keep him around.

HE’S NOT A DEMOCRAT. LEFTARDS DROVE HIM OUT OF YOUR PARTY.

HE OWES YOU NOTHING.

Besides, he’s with the majority of Americans on this one, which isn’t a bad place to be.

Sucks for you guys, but thems the facts.

Good Lt on December 14, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Oh and, FWIW, searching for “Joe Lieberman” on twitter right now is NSFW.

batter on December 14, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Has anyone ever told the Democrats that they serve the People and not the occupant of the White House? They had better learn that lesson quickly lest they become an integral part of the unemployment statistic.

rplat on December 14, 2009 at 5:24 PM

HE’S NOT A DEMOCRAT. LEFTARDS DROVE HIM OUT OF YOUR PARTY.

HE OWES YOU NOTHING.

Besides, he’s with the majority of Americans on this one, which isn’t a bad place to be.

Sucks for you guys, but thems the facts.

Good Lt on December 14, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Owes us nothing? You don’t think Joe likes being called Mr. Chairman? Likes that big office and all the extra staff and the ability to have a major effect on legislation near and dear to his heart? Likes being in the big meetings where the majority party makes decisions and sets the agenda?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM

What is this “White House ordered” crap. Have we completely lost our Constitutional separation of powers. Somebody needs to give Obama a quick history lesson because he apparently flunked the test on his first try.

rplat on December 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM

That is what I was thinking, would be sweet if Lieberman told Obama to pound sand.

farright on December 14, 2009 at 5:29 PM

The king summons his barons for a council of war?

DerKrieger on December 14, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Multiple CBO and HHS reports show this bill will raise costs and the deficit.

I know you don’t care, but many of us do.

Chuck Schick on December 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM

You don’t think Joe likes being called Mr. Chairman? Likes that big office and all the extra staff and the ability to have a major effect on legislation near and dear to his heart? Likes being in the big meetings where the majority party makes decisions and sets the agenda?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM

I dunno, maybe he thinks the country is more important than being called “Mr. Chairman”.

darwin on December 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Wrong again BB,multiple parties and Compromise is exactly what our founders intended.

Did you ever graduate from Jr. high?
How did you miss the most basic history of our government, specifically The Great Compromise?

The founders did not want to have a single party ride roughshod over the people, this is why we are a Republic and NOT a Democracy.

Most 8th graders understand this, why don’t you?

BTW, Obama care, Universal health care, what ever title you want to put on it, if it was supported by a Majority of the people it would have passed already.

If it was any good, we the people, would be allowed to read it before it is voted on.

If it was any good, it would be debated in the light of day, for all to see, not hidden behind closed doors.

Without knowing anything about this bill, the tactics used are a clear indication this bill is a bad idea.

DSchoen on December 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM

It’s good that the president is having another one of those bipartisan meetings that have made him famous.

Cindy Munford on December 14, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Answer:

Olympia Snowe is a R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N

Lieberman is an I-N-D-E-P-E-N-D-E-N-T

angryed on December 14, 2009 at 5:33 PM

The left has put up “a case of syphillis”, dysentery, and, of course, the Jooooos conspiracy folks posting there too.

Wow, they’ve moved from syphilis to “military-grade anthrax“.

One idiot has type I diabetes. I have kids with that and wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Good grief. That’s all I can bear for now.

batter on December 14, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

So you are saying Joe is honest and courageous .He thanks you.

CWforFreedom on December 14, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Owes us nothing? You don’t think Joe likes being called Mr. Chairman? Likes that big office and all the extra staff and the ability to have a major effect on legislation near and dear to his heart? Likes being in the big meetings where the majority party makes decisions and sets the agenda?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Do you forget why the Democratic leadership offered him that chairmanship? It was to take control of the Senate. In 2006, the Senate was 49/49/2 Dem/Rep/Oth If the two Others had caucaused with the Republicans, then they would not have controlled.

barnone on December 14, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Doesn’t Obama go to Copenhagen on Friday? If he leaves town with no health care deal he’s going to look even weaker than usual over there. What a mess.

Missy on December 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM

He’s going Friday? Holy shit how long is that global warming conference? Seems like it’s been going on for weeks already.

angryed on December 14, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Obama’s budgets are killing us

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/images/b2249_chart1.jpg

Bleeds you are a dupe…oh and get a friggin job

CWforFreedom on December 14, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Ooops:

One idiot has wants to give him type I diabetes.

batter on December 14, 2009 at 5:36 PM

There are only 58 57 democrats in the Senate, no? Sanders (hehe) and Lieberman are independents. And Al Franken is an angry clown.

SouthernGent on December 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

FIFY

JohnGalt23 on December 14, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Bleeds unlike you Joe cares for America and defends her.

CWforFreedom on December 14, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Owes us nothing? You don’t think Joe likes being called Mr. Chairman?

Are you suggesting that Democrats are playing politics with Joe Lieberman?

Didn’t you just suggest that Liebs was something other than honorable for doing so? Man, you guys are all twisted up in knots over this hyperpartisanship you’ve been sowing.

Likes being in the big meetings where the majority party makes decisions and sets the agenda?

You see now what your “agenda” means when the majority of the American people and the minority party are shut out of the discussion and closed-door agenda setting by the Democrats (those same Democrats who pledged the “most open, most honest, most transparent government in American history” by the current Democrat speaker of the House.

Namely, it goes to sh*t.

Enjoy! It’s your bed.

Good Lt on December 14, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Owes us nothing? You don’t think Joe likes being called

Mr. Chairman?

Are you suggesting that Democrats are playing politics with Joe Lieberman?

Didn’t you just suggest that Liebs was something other than honorable for doing so? Man, you guys are all twisted up in knots over this hyperpartisanship you’ve been sowing.

Bleeds you were busted. Dipshite.

CWforFreedom on December 14, 2009 at 5:43 PM

“All 60 members of the Democratic caucus have been invited, according to three Democratic officials.”

It will be instructive to see if Lieberman attends..

..are they serving cookies and lemonade?

VoyskaPVO on December 14, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM

When the Dems FIRED Joe, they MADE him a KING maker!

How many Chairman can you name?

3? 4? that’s what I thought.

How many people know who Joe is?

Ya, a lot more.

Your confusing the “Trappings of Power” with “Actual Power

DSchoen on December 14, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Be very careful Joe.You may wind up with a horse,s head in your bed.

thmcbb on December 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM

The founders did not want to have a single party ride roughshod over the people, this is why we are a Republic and NOT a Democracy.
Most 8th graders understand this, why don’t you?
BTW, Obama care, Universal health care, what ever title you want to put on it, if it was supported by a Majority of the people it would have passed already.
If it was any good, we the people, would be allowed to read it before it is voted on.
If it was any good, it would be debated in the light of day, for all to see, not hidden behind closed doors.
Without knowing anything about this bill, the tactics used are a clear indication this bill is a bad idea.
DSchoen on December 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Exactly! If this was a really good deal it would have to be hidden, it would be out there for people to read and understand.
That’s the problem for the National Socialist Democrats, the people know enough about this that they know its a really bad idea.
It will increase costs while decreasing quality.
It will increase governmental control while diminishing basic freedoms.
People know enough not to want this, if it were a good deal, the Statists would be out everywhere advertising it’s benefits, why aren’t they doing that?

Juno77 on December 14, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Exit question: What does Lieberman get out of this? Even if he and Reid do strike a deal, even if he does end up switching parties, he’ll be the left’s number-one target in 2012 for having singlehandedly killed the public option. (They’re already going after his wife.) How does he plan to survive politically in deep-blue Connecticut after this?

If he is a man of character, he voluntarily renounced the chairmanships they threaten him with, and tells them now that he’s not running for re-election. He’ll do it in the name of saving his country, the children and grandchildren.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2009 at 5:49 PM

One other reason to believe this isn’t kabuki: The leader of the House’s progressive caucus told ABC today that he absolutely wants a conference committee with the Senate if/when it finally passes something, which makes the “ping-pong strategy” for passing a final bill unlikely.

No, that makes the “ping-pong” strategy more likely. The key to ping-pong is not to let some Senate Ping-ers that a Pong – i.e., a vote on the identical bill in the House, thus preventing the need for a conference and re-vote in both houses of Congress – is coming up. Some Senate Democrats are inclined to vote against a final, post-conference bill, but might want to vote for an interim bill to show their Democratic base that “hey, I made an effort to be reasonable, but the final bill just went too far.”

Statements by House member that they want a conference may lull Senate ping-ers into a false security. Then what they think is an interim vote to placate the base would actually be a final vote enacting Obamacare.

BCrago66 on December 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Wrong again BB,multiple parties and Compromise is exactly what our founders intended.

Did you ever graduate from Jr. high?
How did you miss the most basic history of our government, specifically The Great Compromise?

The founders did not want to have a single party ride roughshod over the people, this is why we are a Republic and NOT a Democracy.

Most 8th graders understand this, why don’t you?

BTW, Obama care, Universal health care, what ever title you want to put on it, if it was supported by a Majority of the people it would have passed already.

If it was any good, we the people, would be allowed to read it before it is voted on.

If it was any good, it would be debated in the light of day, for all to see, not hidden behind closed doors.

Without knowing anything about this bill, the tactics used are a clear indication this bill is a bad idea.

DSchoen on December 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM

This is a fairly incoherent ramble. You are aware, of course, that the Great Compromise had nothing to do with political parties, right?

The majority of the people voted for a president and a congress that ran on a platform including health care reform. A small group of bitter individuals whose time has passed is holding it up, largely for political gain. Were it not for an arcane internal Senate procedure, health care reform would have passed and we could move on.

If you want to read the bill, it’s on line.

Owes us nothing? You don’t think Joe likes being called Mr. Chairman?

Are you suggesting that Democrats are playing politics with Joe Lieberman?

Iof course we are. But we don’t make pious pronouncement about it, like Joe and his conscience, which is strangely aligned with powerful and wealthy political interests in his home state.

But, at any rate, if he refuses to stay bought, we should stop paying for him.

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Question: How come when Olympia Snowe votes every now and then with Obama it’s a huge betrayal and she should be disgraced and branded with a scarlet “D” and run out of the party, but when Broadway Joe decides to go against the Democrats, it’s honest and courageous?

Bleeds Blue on December 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Excellent question. However, you, and your party, are hardly entitled to lessons on hypocrisy.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Bleeds Blue, I might have you cofused with another troll. If so, please forgive.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2009 at 5:53 PM

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