Quotes of the day

posted at 10:35 pm on December 14, 2009 by Allahpundit

“In his speech, Mr Gore told the conference: ‘These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.’

“However, the climatologist whose work Mr Gore was relying upon dropped the former Vice-President in the water with an icy blast.

“‘It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,’ Dr Maslowski said. ‘I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.’

“Mr Gore’s office later admitted that the 75 per cent figure was one used by Dr Maslowksi as a “ballpark figure” several years ago in a conversation with Mr Gore.”

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“A surge in sunshine more than 60 years ago helped Swiss mountain glaciers melt faster than today, even though warmer average temperatures are being recorded now, Swiss researchers said Monday.

“Their study into the impact of solar radiation on Alpine glaciers made the ‘surprising discovery’ that in the 1940s, and especially summer 1947, the ice floes lost the most ice since measurements begin 95 years ago, according to Zurich’s Federal Institute of Technology (ETHZ)…

“‘The surprising thing is that this paradox can be explained relatively easily with radiation,’ said one the ETHZ researchers, Matthias Huss, in the university’s online review.

“‘This should not lead people to conclude that the current period of global warming is not really as big of a problem for the glaciers as previously assumed,’ he added.”

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Hey LIBERALS/followers of the great global warming religion. The North Pole is on the ocean. There is no land on the North pole. the best things that could happen is the North pole becomes warm. that would open up the great tundra of Canada and the Russia’s Sebria to farming If the earth warmed up we could feed another 7 billion people with no problem.

The only downside to a warming planet is that some cosatal cities might get wet. So what move the damn buildings, build dikes, seawalls. Move. The benefits far outweight the costs for a warming planet.

unseen on December 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM

I’ll be long dead by the end of this story. It’s obvious to me that we’re abusing the planet, but it’s also equally obvious that nobody is about to roll back.

It strikes me as nothing but a distraction type issue.

AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:40 PM

You think that’s bad…wait until the sun swallows the earth in a few billion years…then, maybe, we’ll learn our lesson.

AUINSC on December 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM

No, Ann, we are not abusing the planet but you are abusing our intelligence!

Sporty1946 on December 14, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Well, of course, we are. That’s ridiculous to propose otherwise.

AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM

You think that’s bad…wait until the sun swallows the earth in a few billion years…then, maybe, we’ll learn our lesson.

AUINSC on December 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM

That’s a ridiculous argument, but whatever.

AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:44 PM

AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Do you believe that there were ice ages? Do you believe that the earth warmed after these ice ages? Do you believe that the activity of sun had any influence on the warming.

Johan Klaus on December 14, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Al, never go full retard.

Rebar on December 14, 2009 at 11:45 PM

People like Gore eventually need to be arrested or something. I mean seriously.
What do they do to con men who are caught bilking millions of dollars out of people’s retirements? Or scamming people on real estate deals? What happens if you are caught committing fraud?
Al Gore and the rest of his kind are committing fraud on entire nations! Entire nations! The crimes of all the thieves and con artists the past 100 years or more pale in comparison to what is going on in the global warming movement! It should be called the global scamming movement! They are selling a snake oil concoction peppered with a chant and a promise to save the world!

My God! With all of our technology, science and industry and still the human race is susceptible to witch doctors warning that the end of the world is near! All that is missing from Al Gore is the feather headdress! Instead of throwing our daughters into volcanoes it’s our SUV’s and big screen TV’s. The first born’s will come in time, I am certain!
It used to be a joke to see a guy walking down the street with a sign “The End is Near!” Now that same guy is celebrated and given grants of taxpayer money!

JellyToast on December 14, 2009 at 11:46 PM

That’s a ridiculous argument, but whatever.

AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:44 PM

It wasn’t an argument…just an observation…but whatever.

AUINSC on December 14, 2009 at 11:47 PM

I do think this will cheer you guys up.

Gore sold only 40,000 books.

Palin sold 3 mill already. :)

AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:48 PM

What’s ridiculous, Ann, is that we ignore reality. I am sick and tired of people on the left trashing America. That is all it is about. If they don’t like the greatness of this country, let them take their beliefs to some other country that does not do 1/10th of the respect of the environment as we do.

Sporty1946 on December 14, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Sporty1946 on December 14, 2009 at 11:41 PM

No, we have done some horrendous things, usually local things such as contamination of waterways, contamination of land, contamination of underground water supplies and mismanagement of water resources just to name a few.

A Recent example is the 2008 Coal Fly Ash spill at Kingston Fossil Plant here in East Tennessee. It released 1.1 billion gallons of the slurry some of which flowed into the Emory and Clinch Rivers.

On the mismanagement side, I’d point to the damage TVA Dams did with respect to river ecosystems until the situation was remedied with oxygenation of dam outflow water.

Holger on December 14, 2009 at 11:50 PM

I predict Al Gore will grow his beard back before the ice caps melt.

Beardwatch, anyone? (apologies to David Hasselhoff)

Bruno Strozek on December 14, 2009 at 11:51 PM

Gore is making all this sh1t up as he goes along.

elduende on December 14, 2009 at 11:00 PM

There are two schools of thought on this matter.

1) Al Gore has learned more and more about less and less, and now knows everything about nothing.

2) Al Gore has leaned less and less about more and more, and now knows nothing about everything.

MB4 on December 14, 2009 at 11:10 PM

That, Sir, was well stated!

FloridaBill on December 14, 2009 at 11:51 PM

Well, of course, we are. That’s ridiculous to propose otherwise.

AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Really? proof please?

Just because you, or Gore, makes a statement, does not make it true.

Or… I Romeo13 Declare that AnninCa is really Al Gore in disguise, and anyone who questions that is silly! The science is settled! Now… my Dog ate the proof of this allegation… but don’t question or I’ll say you are a flat Earther!

Romeo13 on December 14, 2009 at 11:52 PM

Holger on December 14, 2009 at 11:50 PM

That is a government entity, though isn’t it? And it was an accident. There are very few anymore that deliberately pollute.

Sporty1946 on December 14, 2009 at 11:53 PM

He said, I do believe that it’s the first time in history that the sun has ever melted ice. I do believe that it defies physics that mere sunlight can cause climate change. Only humans can hurt the earth. It is physically impossible.

Rosie O’Donnell 9/11 Conspiracy Comments: Popular Mechanics Responds

Speakup on December 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM

The Goracle needs to get sued by the people he scammed into investing in his faux science, green propaganda, carbon credit fraud. Gore is just another Bernie Madoff that should be behind bars.

redridinghood on December 14, 2009 at 11:58 PM

canopfor, @eleventy:eleven, nice picture, must be infrared, eh? Love the detail.

Skandia Recluse on December 14, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Gore should be in jail.

Sporty1946 on December 14, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Sorry, AnninCA. I keep holding out so much hope for you but you keep punching a hole in my balloon.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Well, of course, we are. That’s ridiculous to propose otherwise.

AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM

LOL….the only hope for mankind is technology and the only way to improve technology is a robust economy. To revert back to midevil times would doom humanity to extinction has the tribes fight for less and less resources.

unseen on December 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Sporty1946 on December 14, 2009 at 11:53 PM

That is the point. Used to companies would dump their stuff into rivers without worry. Champion International dumped dioxin into the Pigeon River as late as the 80s.

And those sort of practices bite us in the butt, ever hear of Love Canal neighborhood in Niagra Falls, New York? Pertinent example of how bad we can be.

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM

OK. In the past, there are all sorts of pollution examples you can point to, and I would agree that we have been bad. However, we have also been the best in the world at being able to clean up those messes and punish the people who deliberately committed those offenses. But those examples have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the global warming fraud and did nothing to contribute.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:09 AM

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM

But you have to admit we are doing a lot better than we were…

key question becomes when do we go SO far that it becomes counterproductive…. like… oh… California?

Energy prices are so high that all the jobs are moving out… and you can’t build anything anyway because of the permit process.

My brother was comptroller for a company that had a very cool idea. There is a HUGE whole in the ground out past Palm Desert from a strip mine. Idea was to take garbage from the LA basin, recycle what they could, and then ship the rest by existing Rail Lines, and use it to fill the Hole back in.

This company was put together by environmentalists who were trying to FIX an existing problem… and do it economicly so it would pay for itself.

It was killed by folks from Palm Desert and Palm Springs, who used environmental lawsuits to bankrupt them… because they didn’t want the train traffic.

So… LA still has a trash problem… and there is still a Huge Hole sitting out in the desert…

Romeo13 on December 15, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Earth Observatory (NASA) arctic ice minimum for 2008.
Still looking for something newer, this image is more than a year old.

Skandia Recluse on December 15, 2009 at 12:11 AM

JellyToast on December 14, 2009 at 11:46 PM

I just had what I admit is a perverse thought: What happened to that kid who hacked Sarah Palin’s email account? If he’s not in jail yet, maybe we could put him to work on Al Gore’s email account…I’m sure there is a gold mine of information there on how he is bilking the world out of hundreds of millions, eh?

LEBA on December 15, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Romeo13 on December 15, 2009 at 12:10 AM

California is a lost cause. Sorry. Those that can should find the money to move out before it falls into the Pacific. I don’t even want to visit that cesspool anymore.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM

California is a lost cause. Sorry. Those that can should find the money to move out before it falls into the Pacific. I don’t even want to visit that cesspool anymore.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Yeah, I grew up there (Atwater)… spent a bunch of my Navy time around San Diego… but left after I retired…

Only reason I go back is to visit family…

Romeo13 on December 15, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:09 AM

Of course the only thing that off sets past stupidity is our ability to clean it up and be good stewards of the planet. We have done utter miracles with regards to clean up of our own errors. This is the EPA’s saving grace in my mind. We are the only species capable of acting in this regard. We even clean up natural disasters such as Volcanism which can destroy entire ecosystems.

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Romeo13 on December 15, 2009 at 12:10 AM

I heard about that and it would’ve been a great idea if implemented. Pollution from modern trains is nil and is very effecient versus trucking it in. More than likely they didn’t want the noise pollution. And it would’ve been a great use for a hole in the ground that we made, infact it would’ve been a better use than backfill.

Damn Greenies. The enemy of the good is always the better.

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 12:27 AM

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 12:19 AM

We try. It’s like Rush says all the time, what arrogance we have. We couldn’t destroy the planet if we wanted to. God has built in fixes. We cannot begin to understand or appreciate the mechanisms God has built into Earth for it to fix itself. And for all the people who say they believe in God, such as Algore, they could not possibly believe that global warming would possibly harm people. God has already promised that such a thing would not occur again until after the Rapture.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:27 AM

Arctic/Antarctic max/min sea ice. There is also an image showing declining ‘old ice’ in the arctic. These are ‘image of the day’ from Earth Observatory.

Skandia Recluse on December 15, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Al, never go full retard.

Rebar on December 14, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Per Idiot Al on the Tonight Show:

but two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, ’cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot …

Al went full retard a long, long, really long time ago.

yobobbyb on December 15, 2009 at 12:34 AM

Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.’

And I say that there is a 99% chance that Al Gore will die a laughing stock, although a very rich laughing stock.

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 12:38 AM

I’ll be long dead by the end of this story. It’s obvious to me that we’re abusing the planet, but it’s also equally obvious that nobody is about to roll back.

AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:40 PM

Your intemperate use of the word “abusing” aside, you have put your finger on one of the biggest problems with the AGW hustle.

Human existence on this Earth necessarily means us manipulating our environment. We are, all things considered, a pretty fragile species who would find survival very hard if we weren’t engaging in all types of activity that changes the Earth in ways that the tree-hugging crowd often considers “abusive”. As our population has grown over large areas of the Earth, our manipulation of our environment has grown that much larger.

Now, there are activities that at certain points threaten our own well-being so much that we agree to yield to collective action to prevent. The examples of this are everywhere; Love Canal, acid rain, NY/NJ ocean dumping… these are all externalities associated with industrial activities designed to extend and enrich human existence, yet also threatened our well-being.

So from time to time, government has to step in to manage these externalities. This management, while necessary, costs us in terms of the industry that makes our survival possible. But that’s okay… we produce enough that we can afford to.

But as in all economics, there are opportunity costs; that is, if you spend resources doing one thing, that’s resources you can’t spend doing other things. We can only spend so much taking care of real, tangible externalities like acid rain. At some point, if we try to take care of all the externalities, our ability to survive is, in fact, diminished.

Well, the cures for AGW cost… A LOT. If we as a planet were to take the steps to reduce greenhouse gasses to the point the Malthusians say is necessary, either some other pollution control efforts have to go, or part of our ability to survive goes. We’re not about to sacrifice our ability to survive, so the alternative is to suffer some other forms of pollution.

Well, that might mean more acid rain. It might mean more ozone depleting products. It might mean more beach pollution. The list goes on and on.

And what do we get in return? There’s no evidence that these steps to combat greenhouse gasses will lower temps appreciably. There’s no evidence that if the temps did lower, that our lives would be that much better off. And there’s no evidence that these reductions in greenhouse gasses cannot be achieved with much less invasive means, up to and including let new technologies develop as a natural result of economic growth.

Al Gore has not just proven himself to be a scientific illiterate; he has also proven himself to be an economic illiterate. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to turn our economy over to an illiterate any more than we already have.

JohnGalt23 on December 15, 2009 at 12:40 AM

Isn’t America a great country?!!!

Where else can one be a complete fraud, moron and arsehole and get super rich?

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:27 AM

Rush is right. There are things built into the system to remedy calamities. Even nuclear war while threatening man with extinction would be nowhere near as bad as the eruption of Toba 75,000 years ago which very nearly made man extinct or the Meteor Impact that killed off the dinosaurs. The only thing long lasting with regards to nuclear war is contamination with TRUs but that would be below lethal thresholds even at the hypocenter. Nucllear winter ends in a couple of decades.

But no, Greenies have their own Doctrine of Original Sin.

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 12:44 AM

“You just want the right government in your uterus.”

How does one say that and keep a straight face?

Logboy on December 15, 2009 at 12:45 AM

The Sun melts ice?

NoLeftTurn on December 14, 2009 at 10:41 PM

And breathing pollutes the air–we’re all doomed, doomed I tell ya!

lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Here’s an oldie but a goodie, but I don’t seen AGW on the list.

Left Coast Right Mind on December 15, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 12:44 AM

Thought you goin’ soft on me. Glad to see that’s not the case.

MB4 – what are you doing up so late spoutin’ the hate?

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:50 AM

And breathing pollutes the air–we’re all doomed, doomed I tell ya!

lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Oh dear Gods. New Greenie Mantra: Halitosis causes Climate Change.

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Found it. Suspected it was in there somewhere.
Arctic ice reached a minimum in 2007, less so in 2008, and even less 2009. Apparently, returning to more normal, or at least less extremes.

Gore’s conclusion that Arctic ice will disappear begins to look like the regression fallacy.

These Earth Observatory images show the ‘what’ not the ‘why’.

Skandia Recluse on December 15, 2009 at 12:51 AM

Terrie on December 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM

My eyes, my eyes!

lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:54 AM

MB4 – what are you doing up so late spoutin’ the hate?

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:50 AM

It’s only 9:54PM where I’m at and it’s only tough love.

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 12:54 AM

I know, MB4. I was just pullin your chain. Where the heck are you if it’s 3 hours behind Central?

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:57 AM

BREAKING NEWS:

The DOE General Council and DOE Office of the IG have put out a ‘hold and preserve‘ order on ALL CRU documents and data.

And yes, that’s a ‘litigation’ hold order.

Hmmmmmm.

I wonder if this is related to Sen. Inhofe’s threats? [among other people . . . ]

CPT. Charles on December 15, 2009 at 1:01 AM

If I had a uterus, I would want the ‘right government’ in it on a daily basis…

… but that is just coming from someone with a penis.

Seven Percent Solution on December 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM

Thought you goin’ soft on me. Glad to see that’s not the case.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Properly understood I’m a Conservationist and a proponent of Good Stewardship. I got an appreciation for the Environment and our impact on it from working cleanup on hazardous waste sites in East Tennessee. I’ve worked in Radiation, Asbestos Removal and Hazardous Waste/Material jobs. It helps that I was influenced by my grandfather who loves the outdoors.

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 1:04 AM

Hmmm. They have only had an extra month to purge the data. Oh well.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:04 AM

Liberals: “Even when we’re wrong, we’re right.”

Daggett on December 15, 2009 at 1:05 AM

CPT. Charles on December 15, 2009 at 1:01 AM

Big development. DoE from my experience working with them do not mess around when it comes to Environmental concerns.

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 1:05 AM

I’m stuffed with popcorn.

This has all been too deliriously delicious.

This is better than the last episode of the Young Kanaka’s

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:08 AM

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 1:05 AM

They also hate being lied to and taken for a ride.

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 1:08 AM

I know, MB4. I was just pullin your chain.

I knew that!

Where the heck are you if it’s 3 hours behind Central Eastern?

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:57 AM

97045

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 1:09 AM

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 1:04 AM

I have no problem, whatsoever, with Conservationists. I have an extreme problem with environmentalists. As a Conservative, I feel that we should all respect and do what’s right with regards to the environment, but I do NOT think we have the ability to anything to affect the climate.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 1:09 AM

How’s the weather in West Lynn?

I used to work in Wilsonville, @ Mentor.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Gore should be in jail.

Sporty1946 on December 14, 2009 at 11:59 PM

And rooming a cell with Bawney Fwank.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:16 AM

How’s the weather in West Lynn?

I used to work in Wilsonville, @ Mentor.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Oregon City. Cold. NIKE has/had a warehouse/distribution center near Wilsonville.

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 1:17 AM

97045

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 1:09 AM

Sorry. Hey, there’s plenty of room in Tenn.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:18 AM

And rooming a cell with Bawney Fwank.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:16 AM

Or Bernie Madoff. They could exchange *tricks* of the trade on how to defraud people. Al would win, of course.

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 1:19 AM

Liberals: “Even when we’re wrong, we’re right.”

Daggett on December 15, 2009 at 1:05 AM

It like the sex and pizza analogy.

When its good, it’s good.
When its bad, it’s still pretty good.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:20 AM

Sorry. Hey, there’s plenty of room in Tenn.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:18 AM

Actually I passed through Tenn years ago going from St. Louis, MO to Augusta, GA and the Tenn that I passed trough looked quite a bit like western Oregon to me. If I was going to live in the SE that’s probably where I would go.

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:20 AM

What the heck are you talkin about? I’m almost sure it’s o.k. from a previous response to my comment. Just asking what you are about – in 3 words or less – just kidding. Lib – Con?

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:27 AM

NIKE has/had a warehouse/distribution center near Wilsonville.

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 1:17 AM

Yeah, that area is really growing. So much for open spaces.

Love the area…. in the late summer. Timberline is great to visit at that time of year also.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:27 AM

3 words or less – just kidding. Lib – Con?

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:27 AM


VISIT MY BLOG

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:30 AM

Or Bernie Madoff. They could exchange *tricks* of the trade on how to defraud people. Al would win, of course.

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 1:19 AM

You cannot get three jokers in the same deck.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:31 AM

MB4 – How do you survive in OR? My flesh crawls anytime I hear the words California, Oregon and Washington. Sorry. I know there is supposed to always be a sense of hope, but when it comes to Left Coast, WHAT HOPE IS LEFT?

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:33 AM

VISIT MY BLOG

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:30 AM

I did, that’s why I asked. I have my wine goggles on.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski

Suggest? SUGGEST? What a weasel word.

I’ve got a suggestion – take a flying you-know-what, you scaremonger.

And what models? These models?

Albert – just go away. Quietly. Don’t embarrass yourself anymore by using flaky computer models instead of actual data. Just go away.

fred5678 on December 15, 2009 at 1:36 AM

Not really. The actual events are pretty shocking.

AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:24 PM

What events?

Look, even if this wasn’t a hoax, the greatest lie ever told, there is absolutely NOTHING man can do to stop nature. Our efforts would be better spent ADAPTING to whatever is coming.

Running around like Chicken Little is silly.

gary4205 on December 15, 2009 at 1:38 AM

Oregon used to be different and still largely is outside of Portland/Eugene/Salem. We got polluted by New Yawkers and Kalifornians during the last couple of decades.

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 1:39 AM

Sorry, MB4. I feel for you.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:44 AM

I feel that we should all respect and do what’s right with regards to the environment, but I do NOT think we have the ability to anything to affect the climate.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM

We do not effect the climate, from a global scale. We cannot terraform the Earth like Total Recall. Climate will change, but it will change over millions of years. If you look at the history of the earth, time, and how long humans have on earth, the insignificance of humans is profound. Yet, here we are in Copenhagen, chewing tobacco like grasshoppers.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:44 AM

I think we should all do our part as stewards of the planet to not be unduly wasteful or slobbish. That has nothing to do with any kind of nutty idea that we’re killing the planet tho; I just don’t want to live in a filthy pig sty and I’m sure most people would agree.

NoLeftTurn on December 15, 2009 at 1:50 AM

I did, that’s why I asked. I have my wine goggles on.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:35 AM

I’m a Pinot Noir person myself, Willamette Valley is the best wine region in the U.S.A in my opinion.

Oregon’s micro-brews are Da bomb also, Black Butte, Purple Haze, and food, McMenamins has a great reputation.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:54 AM

I like shiraz, Kini. Mostly Australian. I don’t drink too many brewskies anymore. For some reason, it just doesn’t agree with me anymore.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:59 AM

Kini, I also like Hawai’i – I’ve been to the Big Isle a few times. Where are you located?

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 2:03 AM

Oregon used to be different and still largely is outside of Portland/Eugene/Salem. We got polluted by New Yawkers and Kalifornians during the last couple of decades.

MB4 on December 15, 2009 at 1:39 AM

You’re quite right. It’s a sight to see homeless under the 405 and the Ross Island bridge.

Over twenty plus years that I’ve been traveling to that area of the world, the north west part of Portland has really revitalized. It’s really quite nice.

The Kalifornians can’t deal with the long Grey year with two months of sunshine and the New Yawkers are the ones that hang at the Acropolis Steak House in Milwaukie.

Such is growth. It’s like cancer and red dye #9.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 2:10 AM

I like shiraz, Kini. Mostly Australian. I don’t drink too many brewskies anymore. For some reason, it just doesn’t agree with me anymore.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:59 AM

I absolutely adore Australian and New Zealand wines, but I’m beginning to wain on Yellow Tail. Quality is going down, I think.

Anyway, I live in the Puna district, the southern eastern side of the Big Island, it’s poetic name, “Moku o Keawe”.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 2:20 AM

MB4 on December 14, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Thread winner!

lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 2:29 AM

968 Climate Change arrested

Tea Party Arrests …. 0

I have a draem (porpoisely)

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 2:33 AM

Thread winner!

lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 2:29 AM

I beg your pardon…..

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 2:37 AM

That was a great video by Glen Beck. :) :) :)

Theophile on December 15, 2009 at 3:01 AM

Gore should be in jail.

Sporty1946 on December 14, 2009 at 11:59 PM

And rooming a cell with Bawney Fwank.

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 1:16 AM

Reflecting on these posts took me to very disturbing places O_o

IowaWoman on December 15, 2009 at 3:22 AM

hey woman, what are you doing up?

lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 3:40 AM

Thread winner!

lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 2:29 AM
I beg your pardon…..

Kini on December 15, 2009 at 2:37 AM

Ok then +++1000

lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 3:41 AM

It’s a sad state when Willy Tanner has more backbone knowing how to use position and power than anyone in the GOP.

- The Cat

MirCat on December 15, 2009 at 3:54 AM

Wrong thread for that last one.

So Al Gore is saying we’ve lost the northern ice cap this year or two years ago?

- The Cat

We’re Doomed! We’re all gonna die!

When?

Yesterday!!!

P.S. Clearly The Doctor fixed it.

MirCat on December 15, 2009 at 3:58 AM

What’s ridiculous, Ann, is that we ignore reality
Sporty1946 on December 14, 2009

Speaking of REALITY and insight of what we now know are the “ best practice”
like using
statistical “trick”
to “hide the decline”
in a proxy measure of temperature,
musing over how to keep dissenters out of the literature,
ice core readings that have admittedly, have been open to interpretation?
Along with the “best practice” of “adjusting numbers to fit so called “model”?

Can the AGW crowd please explain this?

On July 15, 1942, a flight of six P-38s and two B-17 bombers, with a total of 25 crew members on board, took off from Presque Isle Air Base in Maine headed for the U.K.  What followed was a harrowing and life-threatening landing of the entire squadron on a remote ice cap in Greenland. (See photo of downed P-38 from the “Lost Squadron.”)  Miraculously, none of the crew was lost and they were all rescued and returned safely home after spending several days on the desolate ice.

Fifty years later a small group of aviation enthusiasts decided to locate that squadron, who had come to be known as “The Lost Squadron,” and to recover one of the lost P-38s.  It turned out to be no easy task, as the planes had been buried under 25 stories of ice and drifted over a mile from their original location.

How did 260 ft of ice accumulate on top of these P-38′s at the same time “ice” in Greenland is “melting” at an alarming rate?

We have historic records for the P-38′s along with real actual measurements of the ice depth.

The other?

DSchoen on December 15, 2009 at 4:25 AM

Not to be picky, but it was Oliver Twist, not Tiny Tim who said “Please, sir, I want some more.”

But the point is taken just the same. The fact that he has even heard of Oliver Twist and understands the analogy puts him ahead of the curve in relation to the lefty Global Warming religious fanatics.

csdeven on December 15, 2009 at 5:00 AM

How did 260 ft of ice accumulate on top of these P-38’s at the same time “ice” in Greenland is “melting” at an alarming rate?

We have historic records for the P-38’s along with real actual measurements of the ice depth.

DSchoen on December 15, 2009 at 4:25 AM

SACRILEGE!!! HERESY!!! How dare you challenge the settled science of the Religion of GW!

For your own good, you shall be burned at the stake to purge you of the evil spirit that inhabits you!

/s

csdeven on December 15, 2009 at 5:17 AM

Rush is right. There are things built into the system to remedy calamities. Even nuclear war while threatening man with extinction would be nowhere near as bad as the eruption of Toba 75,000 years ago which very nearly made man extinct or the Meteor Impact that killed off the dinosaurs. The only thing long lasting with regards to nuclear war is contamination with TRUs but that would be below lethal thresholds even at the hypocenter. Nucllear winter ends in a couple of decades.

But no, Greenies have their own Doctrine of Original Sin.

Holger on December 15, 2009 at 12:44 AM

Nuclear winter in another lefty myth. Using volcanic data, as a baseline is unworkable. Most nukes are fused for air burst, and thus they do not lift vast quantities of dust to the stratosphere, nor do they release sulfur compounds.

If you do happen to want to cool the earth, high sulfur jet fuel would have far more affect than cutting greenhouse gasses, and would be far cheaper, including the acid rain mitigation.

darktood on December 15, 2009 at 5:44 AM

Gore lie, what next the netroots go after Obamacare.

rob verdi on December 15, 2009 at 5:51 AM

“It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,” Dr Maslowski said. “I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

Mr Gore’s office later admitted that the 75 per cent figure was one used by Dr Maslowksi as a “ballpark figure” several years ago in a conversation with Mr Gore.

Gore hubnubs but he doesn’t read. It is also evident that he fabricates once upon a time conversations to establish his own basis. What a joke, to blame a Navy scientist for quoting a “ballpark figure in a conversation” that never took place. Dr. Maslowski provided Gore’s office with information. If indeed this was Maslowski’s research results, Maslowski would not need to “ballpark” his findings “in a conversation” that Gore relies upon as his source of information because Gore doesn’t read. Not that he can’t, but he’s too lazy to research, putting all his eggs of effort into hobnobbing to market his pyramid scheme.

I’m disappointed in the Navy to rely on the likes of a scientist of fraud in their ranks of leadership. Maslowski has projected contingency “what if” scenarios beyond the realm of speculation into the realm of expectation to promote as if empirical knowledge. For profit and fame, Maslowski’s playing a corruptive part in our military and our government.

maverick muse on December 15, 2009 at 6:07 AM

How did 260 ft of ice accumulate on top of these P-38’s at the same time “ice” in Greenland is “melting” at an alarming rate?

We have historic records for the P-38’s along with real actual measurements of the ice depth.

The other?

DSchoen on December 15, 2009 at 4:25 AM

Lord Monckton had a word on that in this brilliant conversation. But don’t take my word for it.

maverick muse on December 15, 2009 at 6:13 AM

so when algore says the science is settled, he really means that he talked with a scientist once….

what a total facepalm for algore.

ted c on December 15, 2009 at 6:13 AM

it looks like algore, like obama, lives in an alternate reality. He is woefully and completely misrepresenting and misconstruing factual events. these people are dangerous, they believe what they want to believe and can only be convinced otherwise by public humiliation. Welcome to your life, algore.

ted c on December 15, 2009 at 6:16 AM

I’ll MAYBE start to agree with Owl Bore when he fits his own home with solar panels and puts a couple of windmills in the yard for good measure. From what I understand, he’s a complete energy piggie. President Bush on the other hand has a very ecological set up in Crawford Texas that one never really hears about..

Al Gore is nothing but a complete idiot. Listen to the man speak. There’s a reason why Bush wiped his clock clean in debates. Al Gore doesn’t really ever know what the hell he’s talking about. It’s not global warming, it’s global climate. And it’s been cooling for the last ten years…Hey Al, you’re just a sore loser. Now go put up those solar panels like a good Moonbat….

adamsmith on December 15, 2009 at 6:25 AM

I think 2000 really destroyed Al Gore and he no longer has capacity to even come across as remotely sane. The guy is desperately trying to hold onto and control something and you just sense the rage and insanity growing beneath the surface.

nitzsche on December 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM

You fail to understand that Al Gore has indeed honestly gone green. To the tune of over a hundred million green ones and rising faster than the fabricated sea rises he speaks so confidently of. He must expect the seas to rise, because he did recently purchase a six figure houseboat – ready to star as Noah II.

Don L on December 15, 2009 at 6:32 AM

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