Oh my: It’s time to kill the Senate ObamaCare bill, says … Kos
posted at 10:00 pm on December 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
This is how the 2007 amnesty bill died, you may recall. It wasn’t Republicans who killed it, it was Republicans plus big-labor Democrats plus a few pro-amnesty liberal Dems who thought the bill didn’t go far enough. Ultimately, the 60-vote needle was simply too narrow to be threaded. And now here we are again. From Kos’s Twitter feed:
Insurance companies win. Time to kill this monstrosity coming out of the Senate.
Remember, the overwhelming nutroots CW to this point has been that something must be passed. What, precisely, gets passed is important but ultimately secondary to the task of passing something and thereby avoiding a reprise of the left’s 1994 post-HillaryCare nightmare. I never bought that CW for reasons articulated here by Karl, but it was a fact of life. Maybe no longer, though. If Kos’s thinking is representative of other progressives, then the lefty base may be so dispirited by the public-option meltdown that the anticipated turnout boost next year from passing a bill never materializes. Which, if so, would be catastrophic for Dems: It was Kos’s own poll, after all, that showed a giant 25-point enthusiasm gap between Republican and Democratic voters last month. If Obama signs a bad bill into law, conservatives will be even more energized and liberals will be enervated. The reckoning is coming, albeit a year too late to derail this clusterfark.
To celebrate our new bipartisan consensus that the bill sucks, and in honor of the left’s festive holiday attack on Joe Lieberman’s wife, I leave you with this special yuletide treat.
Update: Good point from the comments. As the left gets ready to turn on Obama and Reid for their “betrayal,” can the media at least try to be evenhanded with the civil war/party purity meme?
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Uhm…that video rocked and I pray this bill dies a thousand deaths.
javamartini on December 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM
We want a HUMPBOT!
HornetSting on December 14, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Agnetha and Frida agree!
Ted Torgerson on December 14, 2009 at 11:55 PM
I think that the Senate dems will pass something. I think right now they are just throwing things out there to see what will stick. Then they’ll put out a few things from this bill and vote on it without reading it. We won’t know what’s in there. Just like Scary said it’s so good he can’t tell us what’s in it.
Brat4life on December 15, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Al Gore’s theme song:
Big Brother is watching you. Link
Geochelone on December 15, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Where are the open meetings on CSPAN for the health-care debacle? All we see are closed-door meetings with lobbyists.
Grade F-
shorebird on December 15, 2009 at 12:56 AM
Possible alteration.
Left Coast Right Mind on December 15, 2009 at 1:06 AM
<blockquote can the media at least try to be evenhanded with the civil war/party purity meme?
Would a Vegas bookmaker even give better odds than 10,000 to 1 against?
snaggletoothie on December 15, 2009 at 1:29 AM
dailykos has a bunch of hilarious threads along these lines:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/15/814334/-F*ck-Joe-Lieberman.-Lets-Kill-The-Mandate
Basically they think as it stands now ReidsCare is just individual mandates and giving tax money to insurance companies.
They think that forcing people to buy insurance is fascism, but only if the people are not able to buy it from the government, because that would be fine with them (aka communism).
pedestrian on December 15, 2009 at 1:55 AM
Huh…
For once, I find myself in agreeance with the Kos Trotsky-ites…………kill the bill.
Rare and unusual times these are, rare and unusual…..
JoeinTX on December 15, 2009 at 3:41 AM
Huh…
For once, I find myself in agreeance with the Kos Trotsky-ites…………kill the bill.
Rare and unusual times these are, rare and unusual…..
JoeinTX on December 15, 2009 at 3:41 AM
But I aint holding hands!
lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 3:59 AM
Strange days when I agree with KOS…
But the reality is that this bill is nothing but a pieced-together-incomprehensible-overly-compromised-on-all-sides-CRAP SANDWICH. It takes the worst parts of the Republican ideas (the few which were even considered) and the worst parts of the Democrat ideas and mushes them together into a totally overpriced unworkable mess. *Nobody* will benefit from this bill. Not the insured people who love their plans, and not even the “working uninsured” who do need some kind of reasonable solution.
The Dems need to either totally go for single-payer government-run healthcare and do a Chavez-like takeover of the whole industry, or actually work with the Republicans to find solutions that will work in a market economy, like tort reform, competition between states, etc. Since I don’t see either one happening (and I am not advocating a Dem takeover!) they need to table this and actually work on oh, how about JOBS???
Bunch of morons. I hope Lieberman stands strong.
Boudica on December 15, 2009 at 4:42 AM
would Frank Rich be right in that Stalinist are trying to take over the Democrats?
rob verdi on December 15, 2009 at 5:48 AM
The left has convinced themselves that they got control of the Whitehouse and Congress because America likes liberal policies – but they forget they won because they convinced Americans they were moderates.
gwelf on December 15, 2009 at 6:09 AM
How can these lefties possibly oppose a mandate when that was one of the central concepts of Obamacare all along. If anything it was only places like this site that rammed home the legality of it.
rob verdi on December 15, 2009 at 6:37 AM
This is a good summary of most of the legislation that comes from the ruling class. Compromise and bipartisanship can best be explained mathmatically: 2 + 2 = 5 1/3
Don L on December 15, 2009 at 7:04 AM
Regarding the left turning on Reid and Obama. It won`t happen.
Where are all the anti-war lefties turning on Obama for expanding the war in Afghanistan? (This was one of the reasons Obama took so long in his Afghan decision. He wanted to see what anti-war left outrage was out there. There is none.)
And any leftie women every turn against Bill Clinton for his indiscretions and fibs? No.
Lefties believe in being in power first.
It is more important for Obama to say “I won” on health care than what is in the package. Any leftie dissent will be muffled by saying if the lefties cause problems now that could be a problem of Obama in 2012. End of any outrage from the left against Obama and Reid.
albill on December 15, 2009 at 7:21 AM
In part:
The MSM always turns on those that threaten them and their position… bloggers. Without fail the MSM feels so superior in their gatekeeper position that they attack anyone who doesn’t go with their flow.
The MSM hasn’t bothered to check to see if the fence is still standing.
It isn’t.
Fun will not be had by the participants, although spectators will have a chance at yet more popcorn.
ajacksonian on December 15, 2009 at 7:41 AM
The Kos is saying this…?!
the left flank of the party is collapsing, the ship of state is listing hard to port and it is now taking on water hard….
this is politically very interesting. Massive legislation with no support to be seen from the right, cept a rino or two, and collapsing support from the left, and fleeing support from independents.
How does such an inexperienced politician thread such a political needle with this thing so torpedoed?
lemme guess….a speech?!
ted c on December 15, 2009 at 7:48 AM
this guy would sign a dinner napkin (like the one on his glass) if it said “healthcare” on it….
ain’t no matter what’s in it, just as long as it says “healthcare’
ted c on December 15, 2009 at 7:49 AM
That’s definitely desperation and not the holidays that is in the air around DC. Sadly, I think it is a done deal that the Dems are going to cobble together something and Lieberman and the rest of the Dems will vote in favor and we will see one-sixth of the economy become a government subsidiary.
highhopes on December 15, 2009 at 7:52 AM
Band-Aid appreciation month could well become landmark legislation. The filthy lying coward in the White House needs to deliver something called healthcare reform after investing so heavily in the idea that all this had to be wrapped up by the August recess due to the crisis Americans were facing every day.
To a large part, it is no longer about reforming healthcare but scoring a win for a team that has yet to chalk up one meaningful and successful legislative victory. What few wins they have had were on strictly party lines with near universal rejection by the GOP. This is not the way that one gets known as changing the tone in DC. If anything, the filthy lying coward has been more partisan than GWB ever was.
highhopes on December 15, 2009 at 7:56 AM
Heh. In their zeal to oust her from the Susan G. Komen Foundation, I’m wondering if Jane Hamsher and the other insufferable, lame-brained Hollywoodies are aware that mammograms will not be available to women younger than 50 if ObamaCare passes.
Buy Danish on December 15, 2009 at 8:07 AM
We the people are smarter than than anyone who holds an office in DC.
scalleywag on December 15, 2009 at 8:32 AM
Send Joe Lieberman a supportive email. I write to him at least twice a day. Even my liberal friends in CT are baginning to rethink this detestable bill and are beginning to support Joe. Here’s the link:
http://lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Even if you aren’t from CT, send him some conservative/independent love.
marybel on December 15, 2009 at 8:37 AM
If the bill enrages the left this much (and read some of the Kos comments if you don’t think it does), then maybe it should pass after all. If my enemy is unhappy I am happy.
angryed on December 15, 2009 at 8:49 AM
The attack from Hamsher and the “progressive” left on Hadassah Lieberman is utterly reprehensible. Shame on them. She is a cancer survivor herself and a tireless advocate and spokesperson. Komen for the Cure has stood up for Hadassah, and that’s a good thing.
The depths the Dems have sunk to in their vicious attack on a good woman is fascinatingly evil.
I’m embarrassed for them.
marybel on December 15, 2009 at 8:55 AM
Smithers, unleash the
houndsHollywood celebs:Excellent! These are the celebs that firedoglake is sending after Mrs. Liebs. Are these people C-list or D-list? I ask because I don’t even know who 2/3 of them are. When the left has even lost Hollywood, you know they are really screwed.
bitsy on December 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Read on the other thread they are threatening to shut down every military base in Neb. if Ben Nelson doesn’t go along!
Nelson is gone if he votes for this Neb is conservative for the most part!
Shut down Offut AFB in Omaha where the President flies to in a crisis!
These Commy crapweasals are batshi. crazy and should be hauled out of their cushy offices and hung from the lampposts!
ENEMIES DOMESTIC have got to be GONE!
dhunter on December 15, 2009 at 9:36 AM
That’s the whole point of my comment.
Woody
woodcdi on December 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Somewhat surprising, but not totally.
The mandate has really given the left-wing a wakeup akin to a bucket of icewater thrown in one’s face, and the ones with any brains whatsoever are hopping mad about the current bill, howling of betrayal and an executive sellout to the insurance industry.
It’s comforting to know that Obama bin Lyin has truly ticked off even the lefties. His list of allied groups is shrinking by the week.
…let’s just keep in mind that in this case the enemy of our enemy is only our enemy’s enemy – no less and no more!
Dark-Star on December 15, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Hmm, if Kos says kill it, can lgf be far behind?
Kevin M on December 15, 2009 at 8:02 PM
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