Lieberman: No cloture on Reid package

posted at 8:48 am on December 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

This should surprise no one, but Democrats are howling about a double-cross after Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) told CBS yesterday that he would not vote for cloture on Harry Reids’ compromise bill.  Lieberman’s colleagues thought they had an agreement with him to allow Reid’s bill to proceed to a vote.  His apparent reversal — which is no reversal at all from his repeated public pronouncements — leaves them short of a cloture vote on ObamaCare:

In a surprise setback for Democratic leaders, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, said on Sunday that he would vote against the health care legislation in its current form.

The bill’s supporters had said earlier that they thought they had secured Mr. Lieberman’s agreement to go along with a compromise they worked out to overcome an impasse within the Democratic Party.

But on Sunday, Mr. Lieberman told the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, to scrap the idea of expanding Medicare and abandon any new government insurance plan or lose his vote.

That set off howls of betrayal:

Senate Democratic leaders, including Mr. Reid and Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, said they had been mindful of Mr. Lieberman’s concerns in the last 10 days and were surprised when he assailed major provisions of the bill on television Sunday. He reiterated his objections in a private meeting with Mr. Reid.

A Senate Democratic aide, perplexed by Mr. Lieberman’s stance, said, “It was a total flip-flop, and leaves us in a predicament as to what to do.”

Why did this surprise anyone?  Last Wednesday, Lieberman warned that he couldn’t support a Medicare expansion.  A week ago, he appeared with Susan Collins for both of them to publicly oppose a government-run insurance option, reiterating the same position that he had publicly declared two days before Thanksgiving.

How can this be a “total flip-flop”?  It sounds as if Lieberman’s colleagues have wax stuck in their ears.

And Lieberman’s not the only Democrat backing away from Reid’s compromise.  Ben Nelson (D-NE) said it sounded like a precursor to single-payer health care, and an expensive one to boot:

Mr. Nelson said he wanted to know the cost of the Medicare buy-in. “I am concerned that it’s the forerunner of single payer, the ultimate single-payer plan, maybe even more directly than the public option,” he said.

Speaking of Nelson, the problem of abortion payments has still not been resolved.  The New York Times reports that Reid is still trying to find language that will win Nelson’s support while keeping progressives in line, and so far is not having any success.

It sounds as if this entire bill has become an abortion.  Reid gave up the public option and still got no closer to cloture.  If the CBO comes back with the obvious conclusion — that expanding Medicare will make it more costly, explode the deficit, and make those $500 billion in cuts disappear — Reid may never get back to any government expansion.

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No Joe-mentum for you!

mad saint jack on December 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Isn’t it proof that liberals just do not pay attention and just want their agenda passed?

deidre on December 14, 2009 at 8:53 AM

good for Lieberman. It sounds like he is the “fall guy” or the cover for other Senators to oppose it. His voters will crucify him.

If he can derail this thing, if only for a week, we owe him. because the opposition builds daily (& even the stupid corrupt Congressman are catching on)

kelley in virginia on December 14, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Democrats insisted on running a left-wing nutjob against Joe Lieberman and basically ran him out of their party. Now they expect loyalty from him??

rockmom on December 14, 2009 at 8:55 AM

They only hear what they want to hear. They only believe what they want to believe. Anything else can be rationalized until it fits into the proper box.

myrenovations on December 14, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Ed, you should Update with KHammers quote from Fridays Foxnews Panel. It was good stuff…

Amadeus on December 14, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Wahh wahhh wahh.

angryed on December 14, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Looks to me like Lieberman and Collins are holding out for a bigger payoff.

Rode Werk on December 14, 2009 at 8:56 AM

It’s a bit disturbing that the fate of the country lies in the hands of one or two Democrats.

BadgerHawk on December 14, 2009 at 8:57 AM

I haven’t agreed with many of Lieberman’s policies over the years, but it appears he can’t be BOUGHT.

To think, there is someone in Congress that actually cares about the United States of America. It makes one’s heart glow….

Danzo on December 14, 2009 at 8:57 AM

This is good news, but sometimes I don’t know what to make of Lieberman. Why did he just vote for cloture on the spending bill last week?

singlemalt_18 on December 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Well, I guess Obambi should reconsider that B+ grade he gave himself…

ctmom on December 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Well, I guess Obambi should reconsider that B+ grade he gave himself…

ctmom on December 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM

He probably thought it was justified. i mean even BOR gave him a B+ or something of the sort.

deidre on December 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Curious that the ‘rats aren’t howling about Ogabe’s betrayals in regard to closing Gitmo, removing troops from the mideast, stopping interrogations, etc.

Bishop on December 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Reid may never get back to any government expansion.

The Dhims are going to try their damnest to destroy this country by the November elections. Give them no quarter.

Guardian on December 14, 2009 at 9:00 AM

So without Lieberman and Nelson(and presumably Collins), is this bill effectively dead? Or at least stalled for a while?

Doughboy on December 14, 2009 at 9:01 AM

This is good news, but sometimes I don’t know what to make of Lieberman. Why did he just vote for cloture on the spending bill last week?

singlemalt_18 on December 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Because he is a Democrat (even though it’s not official). A pretty liberal Democrat. It’s just that on a few issues, he must break from the super leftward lunge of his chosen party. But he is still a Democrat.

myrenovations on December 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM

The Dhims are going to try their damnest to destroy this country by the November elections. Give them no quarter.

Guardian on December 14, 2009 at 9:00 AM

The truly scary time is going to be between November and January of next year. People who’ve already been voted out of office aren’t going to think twice about ramming statism down our collective throats.

BadgerHawk on December 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Payback for Lieberman? Joe seems like a good guy and a man of his word (but so did Tiger Woods). Color me skeptical, but I’ll believe it when I see this go down.

conservative pilgrim on December 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM

I like Liebs. In fact, I’ve liked Liebs a long time, except for one brief period when he allowed himself to be tarnished by Algore. (And Algore is dirty enough to tarnish almost anything.)

petefrt on December 14, 2009 at 9:04 AM

If we finally kill this thing, I might just have to register at HuffPo and gloat a bit.

After all they killed the partial privatization of Socialist Security when they were a minority ( which I am still miffed about ).

Paybacks a b!itch isn’t it?

DavidM on December 14, 2009 at 9:04 AM

At this point, I don’t trust any of them. If they are all intent on committing Hari Kari, they can go ahead and pass the bill. But they had better make plans to begin retirement in January 2011.

kingsjester on December 14, 2009 at 9:05 AM

It’s good to see someone understand how spending will affect this country further in the future than the next election.

How can this be a “total flip-flop”? It sounds as if Lieberman’s colleagues have wax stuck in their ears.

These are the same guys that say the public wants government run health care.

Reform is a good idea. But lets start with things that don’t cost money. You want to cut waste and fraud from Medicare? Do that. You shouldn’t need a bill for that.

Lieberman has been consistent on this bill from what I can see. The Dems hear what they want to hear. . . not what is said. That is the only explanation for them to attempt to continue with this monstrosity.

ThackerAgency on December 14, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Man, we are thisclose to having full blown socialism. Stand firm, Joe & Ben. No nazionalization of health care.

rbj on December 14, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Wait til he gets his love note from Harry containing a lot of numbers.

Kissmygrits on December 14, 2009 at 9:06 AM

But on Sunday, Mr. Lieberman told the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, to scrap the idea of expanding Medicare and abandon any new government insurance plan or lose his vote.

So, to get this straight…..Harry and the “big spenders” want to expand Medicare, so they can have a larger portion of the program to CUT, so the CBO can say the bill is deficit neutral?

Makes perfect sense. /

Rovin on December 14, 2009 at 9:07 AM

so when does Snowe or Collins ride into the rescue?

unseen on December 14, 2009 at 9:08 AM

The truly scary time is going to be between November and January of next year. People who’ve already been voted out of office aren’t going to think twice about ramming statism down our collective throats.

BadgerHawk on December 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM

What I’ve been worrying about since the inception of Obamamania is what happens when Obama gets voted out. Eventually he’ll have to leave office. If he leaves after losing, based on how he handles criticism now, he might do something to um, er, shall we say, ‘make me not proud to be an American’ and put this country in jeopardy at the same time – for spite.

ThackerAgency on December 14, 2009 at 9:09 AM

It sounds as if Lieberman’s colleagues have wax stuck in their ears.

They haven’t heard Joe, the Tea Party, complaints about ACORN, complaints about cabinet positions, complaints about spending, complaints about lack of transparency, complaints about poor leadership, complaints about not including Republicans after promising to do so…the fact is, they only listen to themselves, the rest of us, and that includes you foolish liberals who bow to him, they don’t care about what you want.
But they listen to a radio talk show host, and spend an enormous amount of resources to combat him.

right2bright on December 14, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Come on over to our side Joe – it’s much nicer on this side of the aisle.

gophergirl on December 14, 2009 at 9:11 AM

It sounds as if this entire bill has become an abortion.

It has but one thing everybody needs to understand is that something will be passed. The filthy lying coward and his party have put far too much political capital into this bill for them to admit that they really screwed the process up and it would be better to start from scratch in a bipartisan approach.

In the end, Harry Reid will get his votes and the Dem Senators, including Nelson, will sign on because there is “so much good stuff” they can’t stand in the way of reform just because the feds are going to pay for killing off children or some other issue.

highhopes on December 14, 2009 at 9:11 AM

so when does Snowe or Collins ride into the rescue?

unseen on December 14, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Yeah, fortunately we have Snowe and Collins on our side…or at least up our back side…

right2bright on December 14, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Joe to Obama:

NO MERCI BEAUCOUP

No thankyou very much
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUrZltfJv5c

unseen on December 14, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Come on over to our side Joe – it’s much nicer on this side of the aisle.

gophergirl on December 14, 2009 at 9:11 AM

You can have McCain’s desk since he’s never on this side of the aisle anyway.

highhopes on December 14, 2009 at 9:12 AM

BHO can not believe that someone will not be bought. He has no experience with honorable people.

d1carter on December 14, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Hey Joe… Democrats will lie about anything. HTH

LibTired on December 14, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Not to get ahead of myself, but does Mr. Lieberman have a re-election fund one could donate to?

jeff_from_mpls on December 14, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Joe Lieberman’s new nickname Duke of Wellington

unseen on December 14, 2009 at 9:14 AM

I love this guy! Anyone who gives Harry Reid ulcers is ok in my book.

mozalf on December 14, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Democrats insisted on running a left-wing nutjob against Joe Lieberman and basically ran him out of their party. Now they expect loyalty from him??

rockmom on December 14, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Great point! Even Dodd, from the same state, turned against him and supported Lamont. If Lieberman lifts a finger to help Dodd this year, I will be extremely disappointed.

PatMac on December 14, 2009 at 9:15 AM

You know what this is, don’t you?

It’s a BIPARTISAN decision to scrap the bill.

jeff_from_mpls on December 14, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Senator Lieberman, show the guts we once saw in our neighborhood Chinese restaurant that hosted a luncheon all-you-can-eat buffet. This was a small family owned and operated spot that made the best crab rangoon ever. A 300lb. glut kept emptying the crab rangoon tray depriving the rest of the customers, and after the 3rd time, the thin chef came out with the 4th tray, confronted by the glut 1st in line AGAIN, and point blank told him to leave the premises. “All you can eat does not mean all YOU can eat.” Merry Christmas, Mr. Chin; thanks for a treasured memory. And Senator Lieberman, please hold to the Constitution! Tell the Democrats: “All you can eat does not mean all YOU can eat.”

maverick muse on December 14, 2009 at 9:15 AM

“It sounds as if Lieberman’s colleagues have wax stuck in their ears.”

That should be “tax stuck in their ears.”

exhelodrvr on December 14, 2009 at 9:16 AM

A 300lb. glut kept emptying the crab rangoon tray depriving the rest of the customers

maverick muse on December 14, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Algor?

jeff_from_mpls on December 14, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Call Lieberman’s office and thank him (and encourage him to stay strong on this)!

Then, call Ben Nelson’s office and ask him to oppose the bill.

For the record, I’ve lived in countries (yep, that’s a plural) with socialized medicine and want nothing to do with it. I have children with Type I diabetes and know how the chronically ill are treated under such systems.

batter on December 14, 2009 at 9:18 AM

ThackerAgency on December 14, 2009 at 9:09 AM

No matter the circumstances, it will be ugly when the filthy lying coward leaves the White House. He’s too much of a narcissist to handle the reality of not being the center of attention. He will be out there second guessing and chiming in on issues in such a way that he will be constanly stepping on his successor’s toes.

My bigger concern is how whomever comes in behind the rat bastard traitor is ever going to fix Obama’s mess.

highhopes on December 14, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Mr. Lieberman stuck to his word.

That’s a total betrayal of all Democrats hold sacred.

DamnCat on December 14, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Lieberman plays David to Obama’s Goliath.
“Who is this uncircumcised Philistine?!”
Take down and decapitate EugeniCare.

maverick muse on December 14, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Algor?

jeff_from_mpls on December 14, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Another mine-all-mine flunkie.

maverick muse on December 14, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Key West Reader on December 14, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Even liberals are beginning to see the Obama is not what he sold them on.
It took awhile, but they are beginning to see how really ineffective he is.

right2bright on December 14, 2009 at 9:31 AM

Obama 44/55


Damn!!!!!

BPD on December 14, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Apparently the Dems thought whatever they had offerred Leiberman was enough to buy his vote in spite of his public words. I guess they figured he was just pandering to the voters and would fall in line with the lib agenda – just like they do.

I guess it must be time to threaten him again with losing his leadership position.

katiejane on December 14, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Two words…

Nuclear Option.

Moving this to an increase in Medicare makes it part of the budget process, as that program already exists (at least that is what they will argue).

Romeo13 on December 14, 2009 at 9:35 AM

I don’t usually agree with the Senator from Connecticut on domestic policy. Love on him foreign policy related to terrorism. (And by no means is my comment to follow related to the former Governor of Alaska.) But, Mr. Lieberman clearly understands that if you put lipstick on a pig you still have a pig who is not better looking for waering lipstcik.

I wish more politicians in Washington were as intellectually honest. The Republican suggestions of opening health care to true competition across state lines is a much better idea of controlling costs, then the current Obama-Reid-Pelosi idea of a government run system.

EliTheBean on December 14, 2009 at 9:37 AM

It sounds as if this entire bill has become an abortion.

And since this abortion would be performed during the 22 week since health bill was introduced…Sorry, Reid. This will not protect the life of the taxpayer.

Jeff2161 on December 14, 2009 at 9:37 AM

On this whole healthcare bill it feels like we are playing Russian Roulette with 5 of the 6 cylinders loaded.

GnuBreed on December 14, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Another new low for Obama. Rasmussen reports 44% approval. Sinkin like a stone!!!

Key West Reader on December 14, 2009 at 9:25 AM

IMO he’s only about four points from being at the bottom of his polling numbers. There’s too many loyalists who will prop up the affirmative action President based on race alone for him ever to sink into the 30s. The really scary thing is what will happen when the bastard’s numbers stay below 50% for a protracted period of time.

highhopes on December 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Sounds encouraging..but Lieberman still says that he believes thats its an overall good bill.
What up?

He’ll turn.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Obama 44/55

Damn!!!!!

BPD on December 14, 2009 at 9:33 AM

LAME DUCK

unseen on December 14, 2009 at 9:47 AM

IMO he’s only about four points from being at the bottom of his polling numbers.

No way. He’ll be in the 20′s next year this time on approval rating.

He made his base mad by increasing troops so they won’t be happy. He’s not closing Guantanamo which makes them mad. That’s his loyal supporters.

Next year when the troops get there, casualties will increase with the extra troops and fighting there making the war less popular.

His only choice to get his base back is to do something like gays in the military – which most people are against (even and especially the black community). Then he’ll do amnesty to get Hispanics. . . but amnesty is hated by 75% of this country.

If they pass this health care bill he will be in the 20′s by next Christmas.

ThackerAgency on December 14, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Two comments:

1) That’s what the Democrats get for kicking Joe out of the party in 2006 and trying to unseat him. Payback’s a b—-…..

2) It amazes me to no end that a bill that only 40% of the people approve of, whose House cousin passed the House with only 2 votes, would actually have 58 Senators willing to vote for it.

The Democrats KNOW that if they pass this bill, they’ll turn this country into a socialist paradise…That’s why they’re trying to ram it down our throats!!!

Outlander on December 14, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Good for you Mr. Lieberman!

4shoes on December 14, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Probably shouldn’t have run Lieberman off. Lieberman is probably the only principled Democrat left in the country.

tarpon on December 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM

IMO he’s only about four points from being at the bottom of his polling numbers. There’s too many loyalists who will prop up the affirmative action President based on race alone for him ever to sink into the 30s. The really scary thing is what will happen when the bastard’s numbers stay below 50% for a protracted period of time.

highhopes on December 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Nope. gallup poll shows only 20% consider themselves liberal. That is his base. 20% of americans are anti-american capitalist hating marxists. Palin understood this when she used the term “real american” she understood Obama’s base. If the GOP can drive a stake thru the205 of marxists and the rest of the dem party that believe the GOP is not in their corner Obama is finished.

Obama can go as low as 25% IMO. If the GOP attacks and paints Obama as the marxist he is. the american people are freedom loving capitalists at heart. They cherish the words of life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. the are replused by the words command and control central planning.

We have fought two world wars one hot and one cold. We as a nation have spend millions lives and trillions of dollars to destroy the cnetral planners. We will not accept central planners in our government.

unseen on December 14, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Lieberman is a giant opportunistic flip flopping slimy a**hole.

Always has been, always will be.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM

The funny thing about the African American president. He got support from 95% of blacks. But if you went into the community and said, ‘what would you like the government to do?’

I would suspect that most blacks would NOT say ‘health care’, ‘amnesty’, or ‘gays’. Most blacks would say those are white people ideas. Make changes to health care, amnesty, or gays and the African American community isn’t helped at all.

ThackerAgency on December 14, 2009 at 9:54 AM

And I can’t remember the last time I heard a major rap star ask for cap and trade energy taxes.

ThackerAgency on December 14, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Honest Statism Beats a Fake “Free Market” Every Time

…there’s really nothing all that astonishing about a comparatively well-run socialized system beating a really incompetent and slipshod mixed government-private system. But a genuine free market system wasn’t even in the running.

The fact that we’re dealing in the U.S. with a choice between two or more alternative state-private mixes is one reason I haven’t gotten too worked up about the whole Obamacare debate.

I especially don’t understand why the public option, of all things, is where self-described opponents of a “government takeover of healthcare” chose to draw a line in the sand.

The features of the plan that the Democrats, Republicans and Blue Dogs all agree on are far more statist than the public option as such.

Rae on December 14, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Lieberman is a giant opportunistic flip flopping slimy a**hole.

Always has been, always will be.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Twue, but it’s danged funny when he does it to his old party.

“howls of betrayal”…hehe.

rollthedice on December 14, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Lieberman is a giant opportunistic flip flopping slimy a**hole.

Always has been, always will be.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM

I can only imagine the outrage you feel about that slimy flip floping a##hole Maobama.

Miss Mr. Bush yet? Sometimes you don’t recognize a man of integrity until you have his place taken by a lying coward.
What gullible fools all the useful idiots must feel like.
Sad really.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Always has been, always will be.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Don’t go away mad just go away

unseen on December 14, 2009 at 10:06 AM

What gullible fools all the useful idiots must feel like.
Sad really.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:02 AM

but in a really good in your face kind of way

unseen on December 14, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Remember during the campaign, after McCain selected Palin and took a brief lead, how you turned into a grouchy, whiny douche for about a month?

That’s what the current version of Dave reminds me of.

BadgerHawk on December 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Lieberman ran for Vice President on a platform that included a Medicare buy-in for people not-yet eligible for the program.

So he can go f*ck himself.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM

I can only imagine the outrage you feel about that slimy flip floping a##hole Maobama.

Miss Mr. Bush yet? Sometimes you don’t recognize a man of integrity until you have his place taken by a lying coward.
What gullible fools all the useful idiots must feel like.
Sad really.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:02 AM
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Maobama?

Wow – you’re spectacularly clueless.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM

I wish I could vote for this guy but I will be voting against Bill Nelson (D-Fla) as soon as possible, he needs to be unemployed!

Reality Check on December 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Remember during the campaign, after McCain selected Palin and took a brief lead, how you turned into a grouchy, whiny douche for about a month?

That’s what the current version of Dave reminds me of.

BadgerHawk on December 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM
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Lieberman holds a particularly special place on my sh*tlist.
It’s amazing how scumbuckets like him get elected again and again.
Same goes for Ted Kennedy.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:18 AM

The Dems think its a double-cross because they assumed he was just like them; saying one thing publically, but doing the opposite with his vote.

doufree on December 14, 2009 at 10:20 AM

The truly scary time is going to be between November and January of next year. People who’ve already been voted out of office aren’t going to think twice about ramming statism down our collective throats.

BadgerHawk on December 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Agreed. Nothing more dangerous than angry, deranged people with nothing less to lose, and is there anyone more angry and deranged than a hard core liberal?

pannw on December 14, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Maobama?

Wow – you’re spectacularly clueless.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM

What a compelling argument.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:25 AM

What a compelling argument.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:25 AM
——
Yeah, coming from the guy who compares Obama to Mao.

Mao.

You’re not very smart and people probably tell you so.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:26 AM

It sounds as if Lieberman’s colleagues have wax stuck in their ears.

It…um…isn’t wax stuck in their ears. It is dried fecal matter from having their heads so far up their A$$, their hearts are beating their brains out. Sweet, sweet schadenfreude!

mrpeabody on December 14, 2009 at 10:27 AM

You’re not very smart and people probably tell you so.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:26 AM

This bears a strong resemblance to projection.

mrpeabody on December 14, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Waterloo.

BPD on December 14, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Why does Hotair love a scumbag flip flopper who goes back on his word?

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:33 AM

It’s a bit disturbing that the fate of the country lies in the hands of one or two Democrats.

BadgerHawk on December 14, 2009 at 8:57 AM

I’m sure you’ve heard it behroe, but losing elections has consequences.

Losing elections big, there, has big consequences.

JohnGalt23 on December 14, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Before, even.

JohnGalt23 on December 14, 2009 at 10:34 AM

but in a really good in your face kind of way

unseen on December 14, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Yeah it is..but the true believers are just like other groups of true believers. When faced with facts, they will just turn to the arms of their ideological true lover, which is denial and pack mentality and bitter clinging to their outdated ideologies. They’ll gather in groups around the country for strength and to nurture antipathy towards those who think differently than they do. Little different than holocaust deniers.
Sad, really.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Why does Hotair love a scumbag flip flopper who goes back on his word?

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Maobama?..Clinton?..Kerry?? Pelosi??
Your claim that Hot Air loves this group of people is specious at best.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:38 AM

ha ha ha listen to the stupid f*ck in his own words:

http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002298/

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM

“I’ve been working on health insurance reform for more than a dozen years. … I have offered a comprehensive program. Small business health insurance reform, plus something I call MediKids to cover all the children in America on a sliding fee basis up until the age of 25.

MediChoice to allow anybody in our country to buy into a national insurance pool like the health insurance pool that we federal employees and Members of Congress have. Medical malpractice reform.

It will cover 95% of those who are not covered now, and it will reduce the pressure on rising costs for all the millions of others.”

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Same goes for Ted Kennedy.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Good news for you!..Not only has Ted Kennedy been sober for a full 3 + months, he’s not in politics anymore! He’s been voted out by the survival of the fittest forces.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Yeah, coming from the guy who compares Obama to Mao.

Mao.

You’re not very smart and people probably tell you so.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Coming from a person who calls others names if they express opposing views.

You’re a hypocrite, and people probably tell you so.

But lets be done with that childishness and grow up a bit, Mr. Poopy McPoopypants.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Good news for you!..Not only has Ted Kennedy been sober for a full 3 + months, he’s not in politics anymore! He’s been voted out by the survival of the fittest forces.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:43 AM
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You’re so proud of yourself for belching up months-old jokes. Hooray for you.
Now get back to drooling over that Lieberman poster over your bed.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Coming from a person who calls others names if they express opposing views.

You’re a hypocrite, and people probably tell you so.

But lets be done with that childishness and grow up a bit, Mr. Poopy McPoopypants.

Itchee Dryback on December 14, 2009 at 10:48 AM
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Yawn.

Tell the class how Obama resembles Mao.

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:50 AM

I guess the Heritage Foundation’s article about the “Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the agency in charge of running Medicare and Medicaid, blows the lid off of every one of Obama’s claims.” won’t help move this progressive agenda forward much either.

Summary of what we knew already:
1. Obamacare bends the cost curve up, not down.

2. Obamacare will cause millions of Americans to lose their existing private coverage.

3. 18 million Americans will either face jail time or be forced to pay a new tax they will receive no benefit from.

4. 8.5 million seniors who currently get such services as coor dinated care for chronic conditions, routine eye and hearing examinations, and preventive-care services would lose their existing private coverage.

5. More than half the people who gain health insurance will receive it through the welfare program Medicaid.

6. Medicare cuts in the House bill are so out of touch with reality that hospitals currently serving Medicare patients might be forced to stop doing so. Thus making it much more difficult for seniors to get health care.

7. 21 million people who are gaining health insurance through Medicaid are going to have a very tough time finding a doctor who will treat them.

Mark Boabaca on December 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM

http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002298/

Dave Rywall on December 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM

You link to the daily kos without offering a full-body condom first?

Mark Boabaca on December 14, 2009 at 10:53 AM

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