Breaking: Lieberman wins, Senate drops Medicare buy-in
posted at 7:10 pm on December 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
Major Garrett’s in the hall outside the Democratic caucus room and tweeting the word from Tom Harkin. Can’t really call this good news, as it makes passage much more likely, so let’s call it slightly-better-than-worst-case-scenario news. No more public option:
Asked by a reporter if the Medicare buy-in will be pulled out, Harkin said “looks that way,” before praising a Democratic health care bill without the two public option compromises.
“There’s enough good in this bill that even without those two, we gotta move,” he said. “All the insurance reforms, all the stuff we wrote so hard for prevention and wellness in there, the workforce development issues that we have in there, the reimbursement based on quality not on quantity — there’s good stuff in this bill. It’s a giant step forward, changing the paradigm of health care in America.”
Lieberman said he can (read: will) vote for the bill without the public plan provisions. Reaction, straight off the top of my head: (1) Kind of surprising that neither Snowe nor Collins defected to bail Reid out, eh? Now that he’s back to 60-ish, I wonder if they or Nelson, Bayh, Lincoln, etc. will suddenly ramp up their own demands. (2) The Democrats are so frantic to pass something at this point — e.g., there was a rumor floated earlier today that Emanuel was pressuring Reid to use reconciliation — that Pelosi will almost certainly want to ping-pong the Senate bill. Will the absence of a public option convince Blue Dogs who voted no on the House bill to vote yes this time or will the gruesome polling scare them away? If they do vote yes, are there enough of them to make up for the number of House progressives who will surely vote no this time? (3) Further to the last point, what about the abortion conflict now? The House bill banned abortion funding, the Senate bill allows it. If Bart Stupak and his pro-life Blue Dogs are serious, they can probably kill the whole project. I wonder if Reid will let Nelson reintroduce an abortion funding ban in the Senate and force it through to eliminate that problem. I still don’t see how they’re getting this all done by New Year’s, though.
For your enjoyment, here’s video of Lieberman from September explaining why he kind of likes the idea of a, er, Medicare buy-in. His spokesman tried to explain the apparent flip-flop, but I prefer the “he screwed the Democrats just to screw them” theory. Makes me smile.









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And just what is this “movement” of which you are the spokesperson?
ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Tolerant; accepting; diversity-prone
and it immediately brings up ‘sucking’. You don’t have a country, troll. You have talking points and a dummy messiah
Janos Hunyadi on December 14, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Stay classy, race fan!
NathanG on December 14, 2009 at 11:27 PM
I have many faults but one bright spot is that I am not you.
thomasaur on December 14, 2009 at 11:27 PM
LOL With that statement, I can tell it was MY father who was giving YOUR father orders — if your people even served at all. No real man is proud of a filthy mouth in public.
voxpopuli on December 14, 2009 at 11:27 PM
And so is yours…
lovingmyUSA on December 14, 2009 at 11:27 PM
This thread has sure gotten off-track.
Lieberman has confirmed the worst about himself. I hardly see this is something to applaud, regardless of what side he comes down on.
We really need real congresspeople right now who care about something other than their own ego….not headgame players.
AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:28 PM
OMG!! The real americans are now attacking each other!! The rest of you should be thanking me for the entertainment that i bring.
simplesimon on December 14, 2009 at 11:28 PM
I’ll take that as a yes. No need to thank me, but if you want to show your appreciation, kindly leave my country as soon as possible. Thanks in advance.
voxpopuli on December 14, 2009 at 11:28 PM
LOL…who gives a shit what your daddy did? Oops, pardon my French. And yeah, we served.
ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Yep, no more PMS–we can hold the gun steady now…
lovingmyUSA on December 14, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Just go count up how many inbred redneck mercenaries justly had their guts blown out the past month, simple.
ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 11:30 PM
You’re one to talk. ;) But hey it was even better 3 pages ago. They were discussing bottling pee or something. (Don’t ask me, I don’t know either.)
voxpopuli on December 14, 2009 at 11:30 PM
How would you know what a man is–or a ‘real man’? What could you possibly use as a reference point?
It’s the OMG troll, partner to the LOL troll: Dumb and Dumber, total age about twelve, re-defining Lame
Janos Hunyadi on December 14, 2009 at 11:31 PM
What do you think wtf stands for loser? You kiss your mama with that mouth?
TXMomof3 on December 14, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Poorly, it would appear.
voxpopuli on December 14, 2009 at 11:31 PM
“My Pa can beat up your Pa any day of the week…” LOL hilarious.
ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Hmm, not quite sure what you mean there. But you’re welcome!
simplesimon on December 14, 2009 at 11:32 PM
You’ve seen our service records?
ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Hey man. I’m no xenophobe. In the words of George Allen – Welcome to America! And unlike George, I mean it!
simplesimon on December 14, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Yeah, you do. Entertain yourself thinking about all those dead rednecks.
ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 11:33 PM
The ladies are here, I better watch my manners. ;-)
thomasaur on December 14, 2009 at 11:34 PM
There’s a massage shower head and the shirtless photo of Barry emerging from the surf waiting for you back at the dorm.
Don’t worry about not hearing the phone. It won’t ring.
Chuck Schick on December 14, 2009 at 11:34 PM
*haha
Normally, your troll remarks bore me. But that one was funny.
AnninCA on December 14, 2009 at 11:34 PM
I’m a little confused myself.
TXMomof3 on December 14, 2009 at 11:35 PM
“Worse Than Failed”
Maybe a little more tending your kids and a little less trying to lecture your superiors, hmmmmm? Thanks.
voxpopuli on December 14, 2009 at 11:35 PM
I get called a fungi quite a bit around this place. LOL
voxpopuli on December 14, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Ooh….Is that why you referred to Bobby Jindal as “Piyush,” as if it’s supposed to matter that he changed his name when he was a child? Or that you constantly call people on here “race fan” even though like 11% of NASCAR fans are black? Didn’t think so. But thanks RACE FAN!
NathanG on December 14, 2009 at 11:36 PM
“Superiors”? Because of Daddy? LOL
ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Hey, you never know when I might be lurking around.
TXMomof3 on December 14, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Lighten up, Debbie Downer! Cmon, tell us a good Tiger Woods joke or something. I’ll go first:
Q: What does Tiger Woods and baby seals have in common?
A: They both get clubbed by Norwegians.
simplesimon on December 14, 2009 at 11:37 PM
With the filth that comes out of your mouth, clearly you are a pig. What more is there to know?
voxpopuli on December 14, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Well, I don’t know what part of the country you are in, but my kids are in bed. Last time I noticed you are not my daddy or my husband so kiss my a@#.
TXMomof3 on December 14, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Ma’am (Tips hat)
thomasaur on December 14, 2009 at 11:38 PM
That would be simple~he was talking about bottling urine~I believe he considers it like microbrewing your own beer or something.
HornetSting on December 14, 2009 at 11:38 PM
LOL Again, I despise your filthy leftist politics, but I did laugh.
voxpopuli on December 14, 2009 at 11:39 PM
A pig?? Oh my. *sniffles*
Nah, simon, you’d get more of a chuckle out of the eviscerated rednecks, c’mon.
ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Don’t worry about me, I have more than enough to counter you–and my whiskey is stronger than you are…
lovingmyUSA on December 14, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Now THAT was funny! Microbrewing – i like it!
simplesimon on December 14, 2009 at 11:40 PM
‘Marriage penalty’ buried in healthcare bills
Connie on December 14, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Did learning that Tiger Woods joke push your Slim Jim joke out the other side?
Chuck Schick on December 14, 2009 at 11:42 PM
There are some soldiers over in Afghanistan that would like to have a little talk to you about that–while BHO ditthered…
lovingmyUSA on December 14, 2009 at 11:42 PM
No way. You can have both!
simplesimon on December 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM
First it has a man-crush on Treacher and stalks him on another thread, then it tries to attack me with a virus through its link…hmm..forget your medications tonight? You sound like you’re just a straight-jacket away…
lovingmyUSA on December 14, 2009 at 11:46 PM
LOL No virii in any of my links. Lern2computer.
voxpopuli on December 14, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Well, Real American urine-bottlers, it’s time for me to call it a night. Thanks for the laughs. No hard feelings, huh? Keep an eye out for evil-doers!
Goodnight!
simplesimon on December 14, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Thank you…
lovingmyUSA on December 14, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Goodnight, freakshow. Make sure you shave your mom’s back before crawling into bed.
HornetSting on December 14, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Like you are proud of yours, considering where it’s been?
lovingmyUSA on December 14, 2009 at 11:54 PM
In that case, you better wipe that lipstick off, it isn’t doing you any good…
lovingmyUSA on December 14, 2009 at 11:58 PM
Jeez, get a room!
lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Sorry, I have good protection…unlike you, you really should see someone about that rash…
lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:04 AM
They are going to pass it. It’s over.
True_King on December 15, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Oh my. If you’re trying to get my phone number, why don’t you just ask for it?
voxpopuli on December 15, 2009 at 12:12 AM
Go ask Soros to give you another spanking for not minding your manners. You’re not even equal to our lowest troll, little lady.
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Because the handle is “lovingmyUSA”, not “HotForStupid”
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:21 AM
Let me get this right. You’ve got people saying things like this:
. . . yet you would presume to lecture ME on manners, there, Laura in Maryland?
Let me guess: you’re a Palinbot, aren’t you?
voxpopuli on December 15, 2009 at 12:27 AM
See previous. I’m right, aren’t I?
You can always tell them by their highly-refined sense of class . . .
voxpopuli on December 15, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Hey Laura!
Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Who’s still here?
Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:30 AM
Damn, woman–good shooting! Did you blow the smoke off te end of the barrel!
lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:30 AM
Keep living with your delusions, and in your own little world–just don’t talk to your voices when anyone else is around…
lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Hey Sporty!
Howdy Lovin!
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:34 AM
And about the subject of the thread–I agree Lieberman is just covering his a$$. He did us no favor–he will still vote for the bill….
lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Fix’d
voxpopuli on December 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM
hey Laura, up late tonight…
lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Shame on you Thomas. You forgot your manners. You should address her as Ms. cumbubble. I thought you were better than that.
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Yeah. I’m glad to see you though. This neighborhood has gone downhill lately. Nice to know that a few nice residents are keeping watch.
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:39 AM
LOL That’s what I thought.
Well you kids have fun discussing pro wrestling or monster trucks or your daughter’s teenage pregnancy or whatever.
Nitey nite!
voxpopuli on December 15, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Hey Laura. A little worse for the vino this evening. Do you want us to take up a collection so you can escape the clutches of that socialist state of yourn?
Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Sporty – nice of you to offer, but I might apply for a gubment grant of porkulus dollars to conduct a bitter-clinger research project (aka my moving expenses to Virginny or Texas).
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Sporty – what kind of vino?
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:43 AM
Whiskey here for me…
lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Something in a Black Box. It’s a California shiraz of some kind or ‘nother. Not bad.
Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Tennessee’s not bad – at least not yet. Still no state income tax.
Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Lovin – pass the bottle.
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:49 AM
Sporty – I didn’t realize that you’re in Tenn. It’s a beautiful state.
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:50 AM
Iowa here
lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 12:52 AM
It is a beautiful state – in so many ways. Lived here most of my 48 years. Although I have lived other places, I don’t know what to do when I am not here.
Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:53 AM
Lovin – never been that far west! How’s the weather?
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Sorry, forgot to pass the box.
Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:54 AM
That’s mighty nice. Thanks.
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 12:57 AM
How do you survive up there, Laura? I would probably have to go postal if had to stay there for any length of time.
Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 12:59 AM
I’m in a red county. It’s fairly rural & suburban with a good amount of military. Urban flight has brought in a few too many liberals who talk a good game about diversity but want their kids going to homogenous schools in better neighborhoods. For the most part, my little area is a good place to live as long as I don’t watch the local news.
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 1:04 AM
I was in a similar place in New Jersey a few years ago. It seems as though transient communities are the place to be if you have to live in the north or northeast.
Sporty1946 on December 15, 2009 at 1:07 AM
Good night HA folks. We’ll all have to get together again tomorrow for another game of Whack-A-Troll.
Laura in Maryland on December 15, 2009 at 1:07 AM
Sorry, stepped away to get more to drink and fix a midnight snack. It’s frigid here. 9 degrees with a windchill of -6. We just finished getting 16 inches of snow this last week…
lovingmyUSA on December 15, 2009 at 1:08 AM
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
What say you now, freshmakers?
BKennedy on December 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM
JJ Walker was a comedic genius.
Boxy_Brown on December 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Vox,
just so you know, you’re encouraging the negative stereotype people have of military brats.
TTheoLogan on December 15, 2009 at 2:11 AM
It’s a sad state when Willy Tanner has more backbone knowing how to use position and power than anyone in the GOP.
- The Cat
MirCat on December 15, 2009 at 3:54 AM
MirCat on December 15, 2009 at 3:54 AM
Self aggrandize much? Real officers don’t lord it up over their charges. IF your dad was a good officer, you are a miserable failure at learning the skill set that made him such.
csdeven on December 15, 2009 at 5:57 AM
I haven’t read through the thread, but I did hear Levin give a shout out about this particular post and Allah himself…
Kudos AP!
cmsinaz on December 15, 2009 at 6:29 AM
it is a sad day when people on the right spend more time stabbing their own in the back than they do going after the real culprits. BTW, the GOP can not stop this unless Democrats turn on it, they simply do not have the votes. They can make a stink about it…they can use some parliamentary rules to drag it out, but the end they can not stop it. Maybe some of those folks who decided it was more important to send a message in the last two elections than it was to vote will get the message that there really is a difference between the parties…
Terrye on December 15, 2009 at 6:40 AM
Smoke and mirrors. What is not in now can be added later under a different name.
albill on December 15, 2009 at 7:11 AM
The interesting thing is that the liberals do not believe that, that is why they are so angry.
Terrye on December 15, 2009 at 7:20 AM
Lieberman…YOU’RE FIRED!
BobAnthony on December 15, 2009 at 8:16 AM
My admiration of Lieberman just tanked. blech!
mozalf on December 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Evidently, Joe can talk the talk, but he can’t walk the walk. Prove me wrong, Sen. Lieberman, please.
kingsjester on December 15, 2009 at 8:36 AM
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