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Why would you post such tripe if that was not your pompous assumption. Now refute Monckton.YOU CANNOT .
CWforFreedom on December 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Look it does not matter. The politicians, bureaucrats, and one worlder scientists see lots of cash…LOTS OF CASH. They will not stop nor stoop too low to get that cash.
jukin on December 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Without real testing?
You are truly dim.Nite all
CWforFreedom on December 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Can you define ‘hypothesis’ and explain ‘scientific method’…?
Seven Percent Solution on December 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Oakland, are you familiar with Charles Dawson? I believe he may have been Al Gore’s godfather. Well, in a manner of speaking anyway.
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Category error.
I could list all the logical fallacies you engage in, but I have to work this week.
Merovign on December 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM
I think every person should be required to take a course in geology and geography in school. and learn about the history of the earth all 4.6 billion years. And learn about the formation of things like the great lakes, the Great Salt lake, the rising oceans, the land bridges and migration of peoples etc.
People that believe in man-made global warming have no idea of the scope of time of the earth. this lady says 20 years that isn’t even a blink of an eye in earth’s history. anyone that thinks they can make a prediction on the earth’s climate with a 20 year frame of reference should automatically be discredited as a wacko. you need at least a 10,000 time frame to even begin to understand the great cycles of climate change in earth’s history. And 100,000 years to understand the massive climate changes. Anything else is just noise within the larger cycles.
But to do all that one must be able to humble themselves and understand what a little speck they really are in the great scheme of the universe.
unseen on December 13, 2009 at 10:41 PM
So, trust government FDA scientists, but not government climate scientists?
oakland on December 13, 2009 at 10:41 PM
So, scientists that lie are liars. So, which climate scientists are liars? How can you tell the difference between the liars and the ones that tell the truth?
oakland on December 13, 2009 at 10:24 PM
You swab the asses of all climate scientists. If they have ManBearPig DNA…Liars. No DNA, they tell the truth.
imadds on December 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM
do you agree with Watson’s racist statement? he is an almighty, all knowing SCIENTIST after all!!
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 10:44 PM
You can’t, that’s the thing. Climate-Gate has shown that the process of science itself, as it relates to AGW, was perverted by pseudo-scientists, (propagandists), with an agenda. It’s impossible to know what, if any, of the AGW science is legitimate. It’s going to take many years to straighten out the mess.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM
My heating bill has gone up but what bothers me the most is that I don’t see anywhere near the same amount of polar bears here in NC as I use to.
That’s more verifiable proof than Al-Gore provided in his political activists movie “AN INCONVENIENT (I don’t care about the facts, I just want you to buy carbon credits from me) TRUTH.
Baxter Greene on December 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Yes, but I’m not a scientist.
oakland on December 13, 2009 at 10:46 PM
I believe he said over the last 30 years. I didn’t go to check the site, but he didn’t say for years past, but for the last 30 years.
Jvette on December 13, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Follow the money.
mike_NC9 on December 13, 2009 at 10:48 PM
It’s all relative. Some areas attract honest people and some don’t. FDA personnel are only to happy to hear about disappointing data about drug trials and in fact look for it. These “climate scientists” in question try to suppress anything that counters their agenda. This has become so obvious that I don’t know how anyone can not see it.
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 10:48 PM
I trust scientist that are transparent(not shown to have lied or manipulated data) and not afraid to show all of the data that they used to reach their conclusions.
Which is exactly the opposite of what the AGW scientist have done.
Baxter Greene on December 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Excellent question, to which nobody knows an answer. The entire field is suspect, lacking in credibility. That’s not to say that there isn’t some credible science, but it will take many years, and an end to the corruption, to separate the wheat from the chaff.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Can you define ‘hypothesis’ and explain ’scientific method’…?
Yes, but I’m not a scientist.
oakland on December 13, 2009 at 10:46 PM
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WHAT. THE. HELL. kind of stupid answer is THAT?? I learned what those two things were when I was in the 7th grade; You don’t need to be a scientist to know what a hypothesis and the scientfic method are. Boy, oh boy, are you ever in over your head…
Dopenstrange on December 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM
If the global warming “scientists” continue with business as usual, ignoring Climate-Gate, they will never regain an ounce of credibility and will follow the same path as alchemists.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 10:53 PM
I doubt you do, based on your evasion to simple questions and going off topic to the point of this thread.
“Man Made Global Warming” is a HOAX, propogated by people who got paid to do research and trusted to be ethical, but put their political ideology above all true scientific methods, including destroying raw data, and ‘fixing’ computer programs to result in their predetermined conclusions.
If you are not familiar with one of our esteemed contributors, Doctor Zero says it better than I…
Seven Percent Solution on December 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM
these environmental wackos act like we’re some kind of invading organism upon this planet.
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 10:01 PM
right4life: Here is the Lefty Wacko message!!:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rw5MosKRm4&feature=related
canopfor on December 13, 2009 at 10:56 PM
String theory may be cultish, (I have no opinion), but evolution is real science, unlike AGW and creationism. The reason why creation-”scientists” are ostracized, and legitimately so, is the same reason that much of the global warming-”scientists” should be, because it’s not real science.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM
LOL…and given the history of the ‘progressive’ movement…its rather obvious they want people of color to die first..
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Leftoid-ism is the eternal Sgt. Schulze defense:
I know nothing! Noth-ing!!!
I have a banner for them:
Slogans, Yes! Knowledge, No!
profitsbeard on December 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Stupid is, as stupid does.He didn\’t make he look like a jackass on TV and across the world; she did that all by herself.
Virus-X on December 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM
oh please spare me…its a story…an atheist fairy tale. if it was such ‘science’ then they wouldn’t have to act like the AGW cultists and deny tenure, sue silence and harass, all who dare disagree with their little cult.
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Wow, this phone butchered my reply:
“Stupid is, as stupid does. He didn’t make her look like a jackass on TV; she did that all by herself.”
Virus-X on December 13, 2009 at 11:01 PM
New name for AGW alarmists……..”lemmings”.
GarandFan on December 13, 2009 at 11:02 PM
It’s real! I read the newspaper and watch the news. There is a consensus by scientists! It was on the cover of TIME!
El_Terrible on December 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Your line of argument is simply pathetic. So, by your logic, if you can’t trust one scientist you can’t trust any? So either all scientists are legit or none are? Human nature does not include such absolutes.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM
…when you can prove that Gore creates his own facts.
oakland on December 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM
so the core of the earth is MILLIONS of degrees??
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 10:14 PM
right4life: Al Gorobal,was confused,only certian sections
of the earth’s core is,1,000,000 degrees!:)
(Sarc).
canopfor on December 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Monckton is brilliant here, but you have to give this woman credit for her reasonable responses.
Leonard210 on December 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Do you think that Pope John Paul II was an atheist spinning atheist fairy tales?
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 11:08 PM
No doubt. Secret data is not compatible with real science. It has to be open. Peer review must be authentically skeptical.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 11:08 PM
the catholic position is a bit more nuanced than you might think. they believe in theistic evolution. which is not evolution as taught in school, or by people like Dawkins.
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 11:09 PM
We need to stop being in awe of the term “scientist”. First of all…what is a scientist? What is the degree criteria—bachelor’s, master’s or doctorate? What field do they have to specialize in? To my knowledge we don’t have an established definition of who is a scientist other than someone who utilizes scientific technique. That could be anybody (including Al Gore if he chooses).
What we need to be focusing on is the research, how it is gathered, what it appears to suggest and if it has been appropriately peer reviewed. My own viewpoint about climate change is that we simply don’t have the data. How long have we been able to accurately measure temperature? What about the distortions they’ve already found in temperature data in cities where the sites didn’t follow proper protocol? Work on that before you tell me we’ve got a problem and I need to pay to fix it.
texabama on December 13, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Leftoid-ism is the eternal Sgt. Schulze defense:
I know nothing! Noth-ing!!!
I have a banner for them:
Slogans, Yes! Knowledge, No!
profitsbeard on December 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM
profitsbeard: Here ya go,Sgt Shultz!!!!:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q
canopfor on December 13, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Monckton is brilliant here, but you have to give this woman credit for her reasonable responses.
Leonard210 on December 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM
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I’m assuming that, by ‘reasonable”, you mean that she didn’t get all wacko and start flipping out and talking over Monckton. Correct? :)
Dopenstrange on December 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM
link
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM
I second that motion.
Macroevolution is shown to be a house of cards by the so-called scientists that postulate these laughable, unproven hypotheses, then have their cultist acolytes run to court for them, should someone so much as breathe a word of dissent. In the athiest community there is virtually no room for vigorous debate (ie: dissent), which shows a lack of faith in their own position. As far as I’m concerned, all athiests are platinum members in good standing of the local chapter of the Flat Earth Society.
Virus-X on December 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Reminds me of talking to my ex-wife about major purchases. She just couldn’t believe me when I said we couldn’t afford it. Hence the term “ex-wife”.
lowandslow on December 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM
In a major statement of the Roman Catholic Church’s position on the theory of evolution, Pope John Paul II has proclaimed that the theory is “more than just a hypothesis” and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith. In a written message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the pope said the theory of evolution has been buttressed by scientific studies and discoveries since Charles Darwin. “It is indeed remarkable that this theory has progressively taken root in the minds of researchers following a series of discoveries made in different spheres of knowledge”‘, the pope said in his message Wednesday. “The convergence, neither sought nor provoked, of results of studies undertaken independently from each other constitutes, in itself, a significant argument in favor of this theory“.
The Pope’s message went much further in accepting the theory of evolution as a valid explanation of the development of life on Earth, with one major exception: the human soul. “If the human body has its origin in living material which preexists it, the spiritual soul is immediately created by God”, the Pope said.
- Chicago Tribune (10/25/96)
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 11:12 PM
he continues…
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 11:12 PM
canopfor on December 13, 2009 at 10:56 PM
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LOL…and given the history of the ‘progressive’ movement…its rather obvious they want people of color to die first..
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM
right4life:Glad you liked it,it sums up zee EnviroSocialists
!:)
canopfor on December 13, 2009 at 11:12 PM
But their motivations are good. White people simple reflect more light back into space, unlike darker people that contribute more to global warming. /s :)
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM
A drug designed by Michael Mann? No. You see, every time you take a legit drug, you’re most likely taking a drug designed by a scientist. But a scientist who lives and dies by testable, verifiable results. Unlike the crew at the CRU.
ddrintn on December 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Hey, guys — I think Oakland split! And I was having sooooo much fun watching him (her?) get the pinata treatment…
Dopenstrange on December 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM
“Commenting on the widespread abuse of John Paul’s 1996 letter on evolution,” he wrote, “the commission cautions that ‘the letter cannot be read as a blanket approbation of all theories of evolution, including those of a neo-Darwinian provenance which explicitly deny to divine providence any truly causal role in the development of life in the universe.’”
In his conclusion, Cardinal Schonborn, almost exhaustedly pointed out that, as it has for years, the Church would not fail to “defend the truths of faith given by Jesus Christ.”
He calls scientific claims like that of the neo-Darwinists simply a way to “avoid the overwhelming evidence for purpose and design found in modern science”, and, quoting John Paul said that these theories are not science, but in fact, an “abdication of human intelligence.”
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM
I think we are getting off track here as we need to keep the heat on Al Gore and his Church of Global Warming, but The Theory of Evolution, although it does not require one, does not preclude the existence of a “Kick-starter”.
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM
I have to hand it to that lady. She hung in there, rather than give him the finger and the two magic words. Lord Monckton was amazing. It just sounds cool with his accent too.
Facts? Don’t need no stinkin’ facts.
Mojave Mark on December 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM
AGW fraud will do for scientists what the activist ACLU did for lawyers.
ray on December 13, 2009 at 11:18 PM
no doubt dawkins would disagree…and so does Provine:
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM
I realize your trying to score some points by equating AGW with evolution but it can’t be done, and your changing the subject in the process.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM
its exactly the same. as you have admitted.
those evolution DENIERS…right…
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 11:23 PM
When shown the absurdity of her own argument “I’ve read newspapers” compared to “scientific statistical analysis” she falls back to the position of “I’ll have to check it myself.” Like she has some magic powers to discern what thousands (or millions) haven’t noticed before. It’s the same argument birthers give. Her, with her untrained unscientific mind will undoubtably be able to find things that someone who knows what they are talking about couldn’t.
And it’s quite obvious the questioner knew what he was talking about, he even described how to plot a line of best fit for a data set. I chose to take statistics in high school instead of calculus, and it was the best decision I’ve ever made (though it took a year to teach what would be learned from a college in 3 months).
SnKArcbound on December 13, 2009 at 11:23 PM
They are small critters that tend to run in herds, but in straight lines. They are relatively slow.
You just have to lead them a bit less. ;-)
Yoop on December 13, 2009 at 11:23 PM
I have to say that I was very impressed with the civility of the exchange and that the Greenpeace member seemed to have somewhat of an open mind towards the issue. That’s how it should be.
NavyMustang on December 13, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Climate Change
Hope-n-Change
It’s all about taking your Change $
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 11:26 PM
The truth about global warming(climate change-whatever), for those who are interested.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/
single stack on December 13, 2009 at 11:27 PM
A man can do as he wills, but not will as he wills. Everybody acts not only under external compulsion but also in accordance with inner necessity.
- Schopenhauer
I am a determinist. I do not believe in free will. Jews believe in free will. I reject that doctrine. In that respect I am not a Jew. Human beings in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free but are as causally bound as the stars in their motions.
- Einstein
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 11:28 PM
IT’S your human environment that makes climate. [Mark Twain]
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Huh! I didn’t think Al Gore was that old.
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Faith is believing something you know ain’t true.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM
In this case, Snow Boots
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Blasphemy? No, it is not blasphemy. If God is as vast as that, he is above blasphemy; if He is as little as that, He is beneath it.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Honesty is the best policy – when there is money in it. [Mark Twain]
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 11:41 PM
No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the congress is in session. There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM
It’s a good idea to obey all the rules when you’re young just so you’ll have the strength to break them when you’re old. [Mark Twain]
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Someone plz forward this video of Lord Monckton to
Mr Rupert Murdoch
and
Mr Roger Ailes
and give him a show on FOX already
Get Geraldo out
In the meantime, make his appearance a regular feature on Fox & Friends, Hannity and Red Eye.
macncheez on December 13, 2009 at 11:45 PM
All my life I have been honest–comparatively honest. I could never use money I had not made honestly–I could only lend it.
- Mark Twain
Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Oh my gosh! We’re gonna freeze to death!
DO SOMETHING!!!!!
Shy Guy on December 13, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Richard Dawkins (yes that one, the noted and hated athiest) has written a book called The Greatest Show On Earth. The book is a step by step look at evolutionary theory, showing why it is real and true; it has a stated target audience of Creationists and IDers.
I just finished reading this book. I highly recommend it to anyone who has ANY doubts about the validity of this theory.
And yes, AGW is at a minimum overinflated hogwash and at a maximum pure fraud.
GnuBreed on December 13, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Principles have no real force except when one is well fed. [Mark Twain]
Truth [can be] more of a stranger than fiction. [With Mark Twain]
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Buy anything with aerosol
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Always remember the words of Karl Popper: “It is easy to obtain confirmations, or verifications, for nearly every theory — if we look for confirmations”. Gosh, if the AGW movement isn’t demonstrating that to a T.
ddrintn on December 13, 2009 at 11:51 PM
It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare. [Mark Twain]
When a person is accustomed to one hundred and thirty-eight in the shade, his ideas about cold weather are not valuable. – Mark Twain
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 11:56 PM
Why shouldn’t truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 11:58 PM
I hope to be able to meet Christopher Monckton one day… I really do.
You don’t believe in ‘science’… you test it, you analyze it, you examine the data, you experiment, model with it, work with it and come to your own conclusion. There is no consensus, no ‘groupthink’… only pure hard evidence and facts.
I’m a religious person. I believe faith has a central part in the lives of human beings… but I’ll also say in the same breath that I have no faith in anyone or anything but God.
No… faith has no part in science… only religion. Saying otherwise makes you something else… something other than either scientist or a true believer in God (and yes… I mean both).
I don’t know what planet that woman’s living on… but as for me… I’ll check the facts and come to my own conclusions…
And hopefully I’ll meet Christopher Monckton one day.
Chaz706 on December 13, 2009 at 11:58 PM
Oh much further.
Speakup on December 13, 2009 at 11:59 PM
I have always felt that not enough people use deodorant.
But be careful. To many people emptying aerosol cans at the same time in the same direction might shift the earth off of its fixed orbit.
Shy Guy on December 13, 2009 at 11:59 PM
To those who believe in the Global Warming Hoax, I can only imagine the pain you must have experienced to find out that there was no tooth fairy.
mobydutch on December 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Watch Lord Monckton being Lord Monckton confronting a group of American gorethugs @ Copenhagen. It gets intersting @ 4:25 onwards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8WawButqIc
macncheez on December 14, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Speakup on December 14, 2009 at 12:03 AM
A very good rule in life is as follows. “Never settle for a mere disaster if a total calamity can be created instead” – Anon.
“Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend.
Inside a dog, it’s too dark to read.” – Groucho Marx
Kini on December 14, 2009 at 12:04 AM
Lord Monckton rocks. What a gentleman, yet forceful in his words.
He seemed to almost be getting through to this woman, but she was stubborn in her “faith” in AGW.
She must have been European. If she was an American leftist protestor, she would have busted a bottle over his head and sent him to the hospital.
UltimateBob on December 14, 2009 at 12:07 AM
IT’S SETTLED!
Robert Gibbs said it was settled, so it’s settled.
hillbillyjim on December 14, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Or at least make the earth spin faster thus causing time to speed up and our eventual demise sooner.
Of course, there is the other direction.
“I have opinions of my own — strong opinions — but I don’t always agree with them.” – George W. Bush
Kini on December 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM
“I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.”
- Thomas Carlyle
“He who is harmony with Nature hits the mark without effort and apprehends the truth without thinking.”
- Confucius
Kini on December 14, 2009 at 12:13 AM
A trip from the USA mainland to Honolulu via air, across the vast Pacific, will disabuse anyone paying attention of the fallacy of mankind’s puny impact on the atmosphere and indeed the Earth’s temperature. The whole thing is laughable. It can only be sustained in university faculty clubs, left wing drawing rooms and in the cubicles of journalists who did not take science classes because of the math.
Mason on December 14, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Yeah!!… least-squares linear regression!!
It’s not everyday you see discussion of statistical analysis like this… at least not in this country.
Al Gore, you had best watch your arse.
JohnGalt23 on December 14, 2009 at 12:17 AM
heh. Good one, thanks for sharing.
UltimateBob on December 14, 2009 at 12:20 AM
If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on December 14, 2009 at 12:23 AM
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LOL. Perhaps this was what oakland meant to say… LINK
ReagansRight on December 14, 2009 at 12:24 AM
Insightful and very profound.
Indeed, the vastness of this planet as seen over flyby country and over water, the time it takes to get to far away destinations can be daunting and seemingly endless. Try flying from LA to Sydney.
In between, there’s vast emptiness and scattered habitats along the way.
Kini on December 14, 2009 at 12:34 AM
“All truth passes through three stages: first it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
- Arthur Schopenhauer
“There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Anon.
Kini on December 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Honestly, I couldn’t watch the whole thing. I don’t like gotcha journalism from either side, I always find it so awkward. I know people from both sides who just believe what they believe and can’t back it up with facts. From the bit I did watch she handled herself well enough (in the sense that she kept her composure…she certainly didn’t know what the hell she was talking about). You’re not likely to make converts by embarrassing people.
And on another note, one thing I always wonder about these global warming nuts is, who are they actually saving the planet for? Aren’t they against population growth?
I believe in stewardship. I tell my kids we are not “saving” the planet because it’s not in danger. I encourage them to recycle and to turn off the tap while they brush. But that’s about the extent of our “green”…we drive the cars we want to drive, eat the food we want to eat, and are thankful that we live in a country that encourages human innovation.
WaltzingMtilda on December 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM
A trip from the USA mainland to Honolulu via air, across the vast Pacific, will disabuse anyone paying attention of the fallacy of mankind’s puny impact on the atmosphere and indeed the Earth’s temperature.
Mason on December 14, 2009 at 12:15 AM
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No, no, no!! You’re wrong! You’re wrong! I know you’re wrong – because Al Gore said! And speaking of Al Gore, I just figured something out: Of course the globe is warming — I mean, what with the temperature of the earth’s core now at several million degrees, and all…
Dopenstrange on December 14, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Years ago I looked up and read a report by a European group of scientists who had studied chlorine emissions and the ozone layer for years. They ran through all the chlorine gas emissions from natural sources and those that are manmade. They concluded that humans produced such a small amount of chlorine that we would have no effect on the ozone layer one way or another. Still trying to figure out what that hoax was all about.
People such as this lady like causes like this because it fits in with their Leftist/elitist ideologies. That is, they can indulge some kind of “save the world” complex they have going on, and rub elbows with ultra-brilliant, very modern people and be part of that set. It’s more about their ego and self-image than anything real going on in nature.
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 14, 2009 at 12:46 AM
LOL. Perhaps this was what oakland meant to say… LINK
ReagansRight on December 14, 2009 at 12:24 AM
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+10 :) Oakland needs all the help he can get.
Dopenstrange on December 14, 2009 at 12:47 AM
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