Quotes of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on December 12, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Mrs Mason, 59, added: ‘Things are getting worse and it is partly because of our Western way of life.
“‘We need to do something about it.’
“British actress Helen Baxendale and supermodel Helena Christensen were among the celebrities joining the demonstrators.
“Christensen said: ‘They will be very bad politicians if they do not hear us by now.’”
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“At a candlelight vigil on the conference grounds, Tutu compared the mass demonstrations outside to other popular movements that made a mark in history.
“‘We want to remind you that they marched in Berlin and the wall fell,’ Tutu said. ‘They marched in Cape Town and apartheid fell. They marched in Copenhagen and we are going to get a real deal.’”
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“Please. Stop. You’re embarrassing yourselves. Take a deep breath, and try to understand what has happened to you during the past month. You need to accept that your dreams of global domination are over. Increasingly shrill attempts to terrify the masses into ignoring Climagate are only making you look foolish. The con job you’ve been running for the last thirty years is busted forever…
“Your status as ‘scientists’ is on probation. It will take years of faithful adherence to the scientific method, and rigorous efforts to test and disprove your hypotheses, before you can regain the trust of thoughtful men and women. Until you have accomplished this, the attitude we expect from you is humility and contrition. You have much to answer for. The time for you to issue pompous lectures is over. The time for you to give sworn testimony may soon begin.”
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Via Breitbart.
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Hey, cr, next time you copy/paste from one of those leftist talking points sites, remember to grab the links that go along with it.
BTW, anyone happen to catch Rush’s pHd caller last week. He was a programmer who delved into the “code” used by these cons. Said the only way they were able to reach the conclusions they needed, was to hardcode some numbers. Programmers/staticians never hardcode.
crr, etal, may be climategate deniers, but you can book it, there are be ALOT of people looking at that code. People with no political axe to grind. People who are just curious about what’s in that code and how the AGW reached their conclusions based on it.
Face it, crr, this con is over and for once, I’m glad Zero set a precedent of trying a previous Admin., even if it is in proxy.
2012 can’t come soon enough!
SoldiersMom on December 12, 2009 at 11:06 PM
I hear Gitmo is going to become vacant.
Dr Evil on December 12, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Dr Evil:Maybe,Al Gore could visit Mecca,and let him try to
convince the Jihadys,that the black rock they wor
ship,is a coal rock,and its got to go!!
And,then,Al could suggest,a more environmentally
sound alternative!(snark)haha:)
canopfor on December 12, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Sadly, he does.
crr6 on December 12, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Jack Cafferty gets on the Canada Express
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/12/11/jack-cafferty-all-endorses-global-one-child-policy-fight-climate-chan
I wonder if this isn’t targeting the French Canadians because they are predominantly Catholic and they are not Anglos. There is a saying up in Quebec about large French Canadian families “The Revenge of the Cradle” what would happen to French Canadians if their numbers dwindled in comparison to the English speaking and Muslim immigrants numbers?
Makes me wonder what that Canadian woman’s 1 child rule to save the planet was really about.
Dr Evil on December 12, 2009 at 11:06 PM
honestly, i don’t care if agw exists or not since there is absolutely NOTHING we could do about it even if it did exist other than find a way to cope with it.
Chiasmos on December 12, 2009 at 10:30 PM
agreed and instead our effots should be going into figuring out what we can do to deal with changing climate warming or cooling. do we have safe places to grow food? Can we rezone sections of oceanfront so that if the oceans rise the property damge will be slight, can we start the process of building seawalls or dikes, can we plan on what happens if the northern part of the country gets to colf to support life? do we have enough oil in storage to provide heating oil for a cold winter, is there proper A/C for hot summers. Are we building enough electric power plants to provide the needed energy to ensure people do not freeze or roast to death. Are we building a cash fund to provide for climate cxhange costs etc. Can we druedge lakes to ensure enough water for farming, build new dams, build pipelines to carry water from the rivers mouths back to the river head to ensure enough fresh water for drinking business etc etc
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 11:07 PM
There would be hurricans if it weren’t for Rove’s Weather Modulation Ray.
Holger on December 12, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Happily, you provide an unending supply of them.
Jim Treacher on December 12, 2009 at 11:09 PM
If crr6 had a world of his own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn’t. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn’t be. And what it wouldn’t be, it would. You see?
Cheshire Cat on December 12, 2009 at 11:09 PM
I read that about 10,000 BC an asteroid hit North America and killed just about everything here…it also disrupted water flow from melting glaciers and much of that water began to flow directly into the ocean rather than interior rivers…that in turn cooled the ocean and made the world cooler.
Terrye on December 12, 2009 at 11:09 PM
That’s what Ali said (you know, when he could still speak).
TheBigOldDog on December 12, 2009 at 11:09 PM
If you want to get women to have fewer children, limit their choice of mates to Jack Cafferty.
Jim Treacher on December 12, 2009 at 11:11 PM
The Hudson Bay Crater?
Holger on December 12, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Sounds like Cafferty has fallen off the wagon……again.
GT on December 12, 2009 at 11:13 PM
I’ve looked at the code and comments, particularly the readme file. I’ve spent a great deal of my career as an engineer doing modeling and simulation of similar (not climatology, but real-world condition) modeling. Significant effort validating models to make them credible is required as is a very clear software configuration control process. Before making a decision to execute a test based upon the models, much time and effort is spent to prove that the results are credible and that the code used to generate those results was correct. Looking at the code from clmate-gate, I wouldn’t bet a $1M real-world test on that code, let alone trillions of $ of the world economy. If my team went to a test readiness review with that kind of code, we’d all be looking for a new line of work.
AZfederalist on December 12, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Makes me wonder what that Canadian woman’s 1 child rule to save the planet was really about.
Dr Evil on December 12, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Dr Evil: Quebec can go back to France,and I’m glad,me and
the wife had three children!:)
canopfor on December 12, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Holger:
I think so, I wish I could find the article.
It was interesting, because it was thought that perhaps that is why there were not more advanced civilizations in North America..no one could live in North America for centuries after the asteroid hit.
Terrye on December 12, 2009 at 11:16 PM
The reality is they are trying to scare people out of their rights and our money.
CWforFreedom on December 12, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Those are good questions – questions that crr6 or the other warm-mongers can’t answer.
They also can’t seem to explain why Global warming has leveled off as of late.
Algore told us that hurricanes were supposed to get much more intense – why haven’t they?
This bastardization of the scientific method has nothing to do with science but with the Statists attaining power.
Just remember, the real global problem we have address is Continental drift, we must stop it now, we just don’t know how.
Maybe crr6 can figure it out.
Juno77 on December 12, 2009 at 11:20 PM
But they believe this stuff too. It is not just a ruse, they believe. It is like trying to tell a Christian that Jesus is not the Christ.
That is why arguments by people like crr6 saying the evidence is unequivocal is so absurd, they refuse to acknowledge anything that is not in keeping with their faith.
Terrye on December 12, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Don’t forget about Jesse Ventura and the HAARP truthers. :]
Dire Straits on December 12, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Global warming is regarded by the sheeple as true, by those who can think for themselves as false and by the tyrants and money grubbers as … … useful.
- Seneca the Younger paraphrased
MB4 on December 12, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Climate gate email:
Phil Jones wrote:
>
They colluded to destroy evidence and the CRRs of the world have their backs. I think they are evil.
CWforFreedom on December 12, 2009 at 11:21 PM
I know how we can solve half of the problem write know. All the people who belive in global warming would just jump of a cliff.
uber on December 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM
So crr6 is still lurking, concerned with not being one-upped by Treacher.
But she hasn’t dismantled this expose of the cooked data, describing in rather exquisite detail exactly how climate data is being cooked and what that means for three of the four data sets.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/the-smoking-gun-at-darwin-zero/
Good Lt on December 12, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Speaking of Global Warming! Enjoy:)
From: http://diversitylane.wordpress.com/
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http://diversitylane.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/diversitylane_tornado_for-blog.jpg
http://diversitylane.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/diversitylane_fantasy_for-blog.jpg
http://diversitylane.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/diversitylane_paramedics_for-blog.jpg
canopfor on December 12, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Then they have truly lost their minds. Anyone who still really believes fervently in apocalyptic, and that is what the claims were, global warming has become a mindless fanatic. Even never minding all those revealing emails, which is a lot to never mind, maybe ten years of no global warming at all, even a bit of cooling, isn’t enough to make the most previously fervent global warming believer into a global warming atheist, maybe that would take another ten years, but it should be more than enough to make any at all open minded person into at least a global warming agnostic.
MB4 on December 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM
The Milankovic Cycle is a bit more than just sunspot activity. It is eccentricity, axial tilt and precession of the Orth’s Orbit.
Holger on December 12, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Yes I know. but I was not talking about that I was talking about this:
Small fluctuations in solar activity, large influence on the climate
Sun spot frequency has an unexpectedly strong influence on cloud formation and precipitation
Our sun does not radiate evenly. The best known example of radiation fluctuations is the famous 11-year cycle of sun spots. Nobody denies its influence on the natural climate variability, but climate models have, to-date, not been able to satisfactorily reconstruct its impact on climate activity.
Researchers from the USA and from Germany have now, for the first time, successfully simulated, in detail, the complex interaction between solar radiation, atmosphere, and the ocean. As the scientific journal Science reports in its latest issue, Gerald Meehl of the US-National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) and his team have been able to calculate how the extremely small variations in radiation brings about a comparatively significant change in the System “Atmosphere-Ocean”.
Katja Matthes of the GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences, and co-author of the study, states: „Taking into consideration the complete radiation spectrum of the sun, the radiation intensity within one sun spot cycle varies by just 0.1 per cent. Complex interplay mechanisms in the stratosphere and the troposphere, however, create measurable changes in the water temperature of the Pacific and in precipitation”.
Top Down – Bottom up
In order for such reinforcement to take place many small wheels have to interdigitate. The initial process runs from the top downwards: increased solar radiation leads to more ozone and higher temperatures in the stratosphere. “The ultraviolet radiation share varies much more strongly than the other shares in the spectrum, i.e. by five to eight per cent, and that forms more ozone” explains Katja Matthes. As a result, especially the tropical stratosphere becomes warmer, which in turn leads to changed atmospheric circulation. Thus, the interrelated typical precipitation patterns in the tropics are also displaced.
The second process takes place in the opposite way: the higher solar activity leads to more evaporation in the cloud free areas. With the trade winds the increased amounts of moisture are transported to the equator, where they lead to stronger precipitation, lower water temperatures in the East Pacific and reduced cloud formation, which in turn allows for increased evaporation. Katja Matthes: “It is this positive back coupling that strengthens the process”. With this it is possible to explain the respective measurements and observations on the Earth’s surface.
Professor Reinhard Huettl, Chairman of the Scientific Executive Board of the GFZ (Helmholtz Association of German Research Centres) adds: “The study is important for comprehending the natural climatic variability, which – on different time scales – is significantly influenced by the sun. In order to better understand the anthropogenically induced climate change and to make more reliable future climate scenarios, it is very important to understand the underlying natural climatic variability. This investigation shows again that we still have substantial research needs to understand the climate system”. Together with the Alfred Wegener-Institute for Polar and Marine Research and the Senckenberg Research Institute and Natural History Museum the GFZ is, therefore, organising a conference “Climate in the System Earth” scheduled for 2./3. November 2009 in Berlin.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-08/haog-sfi082709.php
My theory is that it is cycles within cycles that create the climate. Some cycles are millions of years others are thousands and others are hundreds and then seasons etc. each cycle depending on its length and magnitude can lead into a larger or continue within its cycle by use of negative and positive feedback loops. I look at Milankovic Cycle more as the feedback loops in the million years range. the Sunpot activty is feedback for decade level range. If the lack of sunspots produce very cold winters and those winters last longer and longer in progressive years it could lead into miniiceage. The reverse is true also and if more sun activty produces warmer years and longer summers than it could lead into warming periods. If other feedbackloops enter into the equation and they happen during or within the longer cycles the warming and colding periods are more pronounced and last longer maybe even if all things align a iceage or an interglacial period.
this is just a rough explanation. but I think it is not one thing but many things aligning at the right time to feed feedback loops to bring about massive climate change.
what we have seen in the last 20,000 years is just noise within a interglacial period. the noice at the moment is cooling which means if the other feedback loops continue we could “break out” of the interglacial period and go into an ice age or we could continue to warm if the feedback lopops fail. then we will warm until those feedback loops fail. Etc etc.
It is only when all feedback loops align that we have true massive climatechange on an earth wide basis. Co2 is only a very small part of the whole IMO
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM
crr6 still loves Treacher.
Schadenfreude on December 12, 2009 at 11:27 PM
According to the website WHATS UP WITH THAT, in the year 1941, one of the weather stations that was collecting the data was actually located inside a pub in Australia.
So, what’s not to trust? (sarc)
centre on December 12, 2009 at 11:27 PM
God did Bless the USA- Another inconvenient truth
-Associated Content.
CWforFreedom on December 12, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Have you ever heard the interview with Yuri Bezmenov…?
Seven Percent Solution on December 12, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Terrye on December 12, 2009 at 11:09 PM
not sure about that. esp the time frame. 10,000 years would still have many physical clues of the hit. crater would still be well defined and would have much evidence of a massive die off. I don’t remember hearing about either but than most of my paleotology classes were 20 years ago and study consisted mostly of exticnt periods of millions of years.
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Yes, but she said:
Your assertion kind of changes the meaning of that quote, doesn’t it?
Juno77 on December 12, 2009 at 11:32 PM
So it was room temperature all the time? No, that did not effect the data. You are cherry picking and the science is settled and we are all going to die if something is not done right away and you probably smoke and think it is good for you and something about evolution and you drag your knuckles.
kahall on December 12, 2009 at 11:33 PM
and I think Greenland is melting. I forgot that one.
kahall on December 12, 2009 at 11:34 PM
So it was room temperature all the time? No, that did not effect the data. You are cherry picking and the science is settled and we are all going to die if something is not done right away and you probably smoke and think it is good for you and something about evolution and you drag your knuckles.
kahall on December 12, 2009 at 11:33 PM
We aare all going to die sooner or later anyway.
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 11:34 PM
and I think Greenland is melting. I forgot that one.
kahall on December 12, 2009 at 11:34 PM
greenland is getting warmer but still colder today than it was during the vikings time
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 11:36 PM
The Milankovic is pretty much that but it deals more in eccentricity, axial tilt and procession of the orbit. It has the same long lasting patterns and small changes which can have large impacts on earth’s climate.
Sunspot Activity is pretty much a constant pattern of Maximum’s and minimums. But Milankovic Cycle explains why Ice Age’s happen.
No, Warming has not leveled off. It has reversed, we are now in a cooling trend.
Holger on December 12, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Have a great night everyone,
and,Sweet dreams Hawkdriver!!:)
canopfor on December 12, 2009 at 11:36 PM
…etc.
Oh my! Someone’s about to snap and get all protestorish on us! Hide the bricks! Bring in the pets! Tape up the windows!!!
ddrintn on December 12, 2009 at 11:37 PM
But still….Unicorns. I’m late but here to help out.
kahall on December 12, 2009 at 11:37 PM
I still see crr6 has not addressed the contradiction between ‘The Science is Settled’ and that the Models based on that settled science consistently fail.
Holger on December 12, 2009 at 11:39 PM
There are those who scoff at the school boy, calling him frivolous and shallow, yet it was the schoolboy who said, “Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.”
- Mark Twain
MB4 on December 12, 2009 at 11:41 PM
and I think Greenland is melting. I forgot that one.
kahall on December 12, 2009 at 11:34 PM
greenland is getting warmer but still colder today than it was during the vikings time
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Actually the Viking settlement was wiped out by that cold spell. It was settled in warmer times. It is an accepted fact that the last decade was unusually warm. Not as warm as some would say but certainly the warmest since records were kept. It is a problem. Not as dire as many thing but we can do better by trying to mitigate our impact and leave a good place for our kids. It can be fun being reactionary against the prevailing tide of idiotic alarmist thinking out there but we do have to change because we are messing things up left and right. We can do much better.
lexhamfox on December 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Dr Evil on December 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM
The Vikings died but the Natives didn’t…
As for warming. The Warming Trend we have been in since the late 1800s is indistinguishable from historical warm periods. They were growing wine grapes in Britain, the French didn’t like it that British wine was as good as French wine. Yes, the French were wine snobs back then as welll.
Holger on December 12, 2009 at 11:45 PM
We can’t even get the idiots around here to stop throwing trash out the window but I’m sure we can control the weather if we just bare down.
kahall on December 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Ditto.
Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.
All four agencies that track Earth’s temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930.
- Phil Chapman (a geophysicist and astronautical engineer. He was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut.
MB4 on December 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Holger on December 12, 2009 at 11:36 PM
yes I understand what you are saying however there are “holes” in the Milankovic cycles. What I am saying is that these holes are filled or not depending on the lesser cycles and intensity of these lesser cycles aligning with the larger cycles. which give either long iceages, short iceages, miniiceages, long interglacier periods short ones etc.
regardless of who is right and the final cause what reader should take away for this discussion is that the earth climate system is a complex system that is impacted by a wide range of things at any one time and the “scientists” trying to place all the blame on Co2 prove by doing so that they do not have any idea what the hell they are talking about
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 11:50 PM
I wish I had something sciency to post.
kahall on December 12, 2009 at 11:55 PM
While we are on Natives, a story. This about the most important American Indian to the Europeans, Squanto. Ths is the quick version and will probably have some errors.
Squanto did not meet the Pilgrims in the New World, but in the Old World.
Squanto a Patuxet Tribesman, was captured by George Weymouth who took him to England as proof to his employer . He was turned over to Sir Ferdinando Gorges. He was taught Engllish.
Tisquantum accompanied John Smith who released him back to his village. He was then captured by John Smith’s Lieutenant, Thomas Hunt to be sold as a Slave in Malaga, Spain. In Malaga, he was freed by some friars who found out what Thomas Hunt was trying to do. The Friars tried to instruct him in the Christian Faith but Squanto instead convinced the Friars to let him go.
Squanto made his way to London in hopes of finding a ship to take him back home and he did. The Mayflower Expedition.
Squanto, during an expedition to spy on a renegade Wampanaog. Myles Standish led ten men to rescue Squanto or if dead, to avenge him.
He died a few years later, probably poisoned by American Indians.
Holger on December 12, 2009 at 11:56 PM
I wish I could post that it was getting warmer.
MB4 on December 12, 2009 at 11:58 PM
The SEC needs to prosecute ManBearPig for securities fraud… and then some mail fraud and violating RICO statutes…
phreshone on December 12, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Agreement. In the end of things while we can crack the atom and fuse atoms together, we are not as powerful as the Heavens which is the true governor of Earth’s climate.
Holger on December 12, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Not as dire as many thing but we can do better by trying to mitigate our impact and leave a good place for our kids. It can be fun being reactionary against the prevailing tide of idiotic alarmist thinking out there but we do have to change because we are messing things up left and right. We can do much better.
lexhamfox on December 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM
the best way to leave “a good place for our kids” is to grow the economy. Increase GDP funnel the new wealth created from that growth into the “real” science of increasing human life spans, decreasing real environmental impacts like pollution, increasing the computer power, the information age etc. We are “not messing things up” We are improving the human condition. the ones “messing things up” are the poor countries that have no money to care for the environment, cut forests down in order to heat and cook their food, kill and hunt animals to exticntion for their and their kids survival, overfarm their land sucking all the nutrients out because they have no money for fertilizer.
If we decrease our GDP, use less energy, and lower our carbon footprint we will do more damage to the environment. Poor people do not care about the environment they care about survival. It is only the advabnced countires the rich countries that have the time and money to care about the environment.
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 11:59 PM
The story of Squanto. I have never heard that. Seems kind of like a good story to teach or tell in school or something. They probably don’t have time for that.
kahall on December 13, 2009 at 12:01 AM
The story of Squanto. I have never heard that. Seems kind of like a good story to teach or tell in school or something. They probably don’t have time for that.
kahall on December 13, 2009 at 12:01 AM
not with having to show the inconvient truth and all 100 times no, no time
unseen on December 13, 2009 at 12:04 AM
One has to be amused that, just as the buffoon Algore is ginning up support for his scam, there is a 10 year period of cooling.
Even God enjoys making Algore look like an a$$hole.
justltl on December 13, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Oh well, the teachers can just homogenize their grades. I stole that from Aces comments. Heh!
kahall on December 13, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Sunspot activity has flatlined. It peaked in July of 200, had a second but lower peak in September of 2001 and went downhill from there.
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Is there a good one-stop-shopping site where I can find concise, point-by-point, scientific refutations of AGW? You guys come up with a bunch but it’s very scattered and I have trouble organizing them for reference.
pfamis on December 13, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Icecap
Climate Audit
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 12:13 AM
And to add a source for Sunspot Activity
The main site if above linky don’t worky is: Space Weather
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 12:17 AM
The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14C cooler in 2027.
By then, most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe beyond imagining.
Australia may escape total annihilation but would surely be overrun by millions of refugees. Once the glaciation starts, it will last 1000 centuries, an incomprehensible stretch of time.
If the ice age is coming, there is a small chance that we could prevent or at least delay the transition, if we are prepared to take action soon enough and on a large enough scale.
For example: We could gather all the bulldozers in the world and use them to dirty the snow in Canada and Siberia in the hope of reducing the reflectance so as to absorb more warmth from the sun.
We also may be able to release enormous floods of methane (a potent greenhouse gas) from the hydrates under the Arctic permafrost and on the continental shelves, perhaps using nuclear weapons to destabilise the deposits.
We cannot really know, but my guess is that the odds are at least 50-50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades.
The probability that we are witnessing the onset of a real ice age is much less, perhaps one in 500, but not totally negligible.
All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.
It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake.
In the famous words of Oliver Cromwell, “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.”
- Phil Chapman (geophysicist and astronautical engineer. He was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut.
Fighting “fire” with “fire”.
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 12:18 AM
I don’t think it’s that so much as God’s way of showing humans that we don’t know as much as we think we know.
/that it makes algore look foolish is just gravy :-)
AZfederalist on December 13, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Thanks Holger
pfamis on December 13, 2009 at 12:24 AM
Ding!
The Warmists attempt to hide the decline can hide a looming disaster. ‘The Science is Settled’ schtick can be the mantra we all repeat as we freeze to death. Even a cold spell such as the Little Ice Age will have untold consequences; famines, wars, revolutions, which would make the playing field ripe for pestilence which historically has been the biggest killer of man.
The beginnings of an Ice Age would be nothing short of disaster. The only side effect would be the GHG sinks ,hypothetically, would absorb GHGs quicker.
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Is there going to be a movie?
kahall on December 13, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Seriously What? GHG sinks?
kahall on December 13, 2009 at 12:30 AM
GHG, greenhouse gas. A GHG Sink is for lack of a better term, a place where GHG gets stored.
Think of it this way.
When you put a carbonated drink in the refrigerator it holds its carbonation longer, indefinitely, but if you put it in heat or direct sunlight the drink will warm up and allow for the liberation of carbonation.
If the earth was to have a long lasting cool spell, god forbid an Ice Age. GHGs would get squestered in various medium such as the ground, water and Ice as it forms.
We reconstruct past atmospheres based on the gasses trapped in Ice Cores.
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 12:38 AM
It’s over, Crr6. The AGW “peer review” process has been corrupted. Until proven otherwise, the AGW “science” must be relegated to the junk yard of propaganda unless proven otherwise through a legitimately skeptical peer review process.
Don’t lash out; you only have yourselves to blame. Alinsky-Cloward/Pivon tactics are incompatible with science. You should have accepted this fact and stuck to the scientific method rather than resorting to illegitimate means.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 12:47 AM
The Christian fundamentalists who populate a big chunk of the denier community are likely lost causes, but for the rest of you with at least a modicum of reason and rationality consider the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg
dakine on December 13, 2009 at 12:51 AM
Oh, I almost forgot…Treach you’re still an idiot. And your twitter feed and blog each remain exceedingly and mind numbingly lame.
dakine on December 13, 2009 at 12:52 AM
Ok, Then what happens? I mean if the GHG’s get in the ground and water.
kahall on December 13, 2009 at 12:53 AM
Oh my the Christians….really? Hilarious.
kahall on December 13, 2009 at 12:56 AM
And yet…you keep reading…
ddrintn on December 13, 2009 at 12:56 AM
Oh, yay! An opening for me to talk about Mark Ingram winning the Heisman Trophy. Roooolllll, Tide, Roll!!!
:) Yes, I know it isn’t the same SEC, but still….
OT: Interesting that Nancy Pelosi gets all teary eyed, for fear that the right wingers are going to get all violent and start hurting people and breaking things, yet well over a million conservative people show up to the DC Tea Party and not a single arrest is reported, and the mall is left neater than when they arrived. Unless I missed something. Yet 30,000 bleeding heart libs can’t manage to keep from rioting in the streets, trashing the place and having 6-7 hundred arrested. Who are the scary people again, Nancy?
pannw on December 13, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Personally, I’m sort of “catastrophed” out though.
ddrintn on December 13, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Yet you keep going…and going…
Tell us, what is it about “exceedingly and mind numbingly lame” that keeps you coming back?
Dare I…it’s almost Sarah Palin-esque?
russcote on December 13, 2009 at 1:00 AM
From TN, so have to hate Bama. But congrats and best of luck. Isn’t he the first ever Alabama player to win? Hard to believe considering all the championships the Tide won over the years.
ddrintn on December 13, 2009 at 1:01 AM
lol. I am an atheist and no one denies any dangerous level of global warming, if indeed there is any at all, more than I do. As to “fundamentalists” there are none so closed minded as the global warmist “fundamentalists” (cultists would probably be a better word for it’s followers. It’s leaders may not even believe in it themselves, just find it useful). The global warmists are clearly the deniers.
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 1:02 AM
The Christian fundamentalists who populate a big chunk of the denier community are likely lost causes
dakine on December 13, 2009 at 12:51 AM
Psst! There is probably a scary christian living next door to you!
Vince on December 13, 2009 at 1:04 AM
Maybe they think one religion at a time is enough.
ddrintn on December 13, 2009 at 1:05 AM
From a third-tier conference alum, I’ve already got my plane booked to Tuscaloosa to watch my Nittany Lions get embarrassed by the Tide next October. I’m realistic enough to admit that. A guy can dream though can’t he?
National Champions: Alabama.
Sorry horns. It’s a fact.
russcote on December 13, 2009 at 1:06 AM
I for one don’t deny the possibility of man made global warming, but the evidence for it can no longer be called “scientific” due to the corruption of the peer review process. Instead, it falls into the category of agenda driven propaganda until proven otherwise through valid scientific means.
The cat’s out of the bag.
And even if man made global warming is someday demonstrated to be true, still, Marxism is not a solution. The U.S.S.R., for example had a terrible environmental record compared to capitalist America.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 1:09 AM
MB4, you’re way to smart for that last post. What if you’re wrong? Did you watch the video? How much time have you spent reviewing the data and reading the AGW literature? I’m by no means a “fundamentalist” when it comes to AGW, or anything else for that matter. I may very well be wrong, but I’ve spent significant time educating myself on the subject and am convinced that AGW is legit. Not entirely sure regarding the ultimate ramifications of the same or the course of action that makes the most sense. That’s where the debate should be focused.
dakine on December 13, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Ended it when I saw he was arguing the dominance principle. In order to make a decision based on that you need to know how bad it can be, what you stand to gain if true and what you will lose if false. With AGW we know none of those three things.
What will it actually take to fix the issue? Merely replacing polluting systems with non-polluting systems? Or are we talking a reorganization of society and who are going to be the angels to do the reorganizing society?
What do we stand to loose? The worst case scenarios are scenarios developing over several decades and the solutions will only delay the worst of global warming by a couple of years. We will be able to open up large tracts of farmland in Canada and Siberia.
What do we stand to gain? Other than peace of mind? Not a hell of a lot. The rich people with houses on the beach don’t gotta move. But a lot of wealth has been transfered to disfunctional countries and we would probably be better off if they were inundated overnight.
Sorry butch. Dominance principle is fairly mute.
Now, what if we got it all wrong and the inverse is true, that the future is going to be a colder future?
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 1:10 AM
Vince my man…some of those “scary” Christians are relatives of mine. BTW, fundamentalists of any stripe (religious or otherwise) scare me. Anybody who thinks they’ve cornered the market on the truth is mentally unbalanced IMHO.
dakine on December 13, 2009 at 1:11 AM
“Butch”? Really? At least you’re thinking Holger. The “butch” thing is lame though. Sport, champ, etc. all work better when attempting to be condescending.
dakine on December 13, 2009 at 1:13 AM
Obviously there should be some man made global warming. Every time you run your car or furnace (which I bet plenty of people are doing now) you cause heat and collectively it would, all other things being equal, heat the earth/atmosphere up some but there is no legitimate evidence that it is significant, let alone enough to be of concern enough to turn the world upside down even more and give up more money to the money grubbers like Al Gore and the power mad politicians like you-knows-whos.
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 1:14 AM
And with that you have just damned the global warmists. Thank you. I rest my case.
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 1:17 AM
Are you referring to the secret data or the manipulated data?
In either case, your premise is absurd. Peer review isn’t MB4′s responsibility, that’s what scientists are for. I repeat: scientists—not left-wing political activists posing as scientists, but legitimate scientists skeptically examining the raw data, first verifying the data itself and then all of the conclusions drawn from it through the scientific process.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 1:17 AM
Climategate is a waste of time. A handful of emails that disclose questionable behavior by a few scientists will not be enough to discredit the body of AGW science.
A better strategy would be to attack the insanely impractical solutions proposed by these nutty luddites. In today’s political and economic environment, there will be very little appetite for restricting national sovereignity, spending untold trillions, instituting draconian population controls, or imposing economy crushing carbon taxes. All in a quixotic attempt to combat a possible increase in temperature of 3/4 of a degree 50 years from now.
Good luck getting the recession and deficit weary American people to sign on to that. Good luck getting the Chinese, Indians, Russians, and larger E.U. nations to go along too.
Mike Honcho on December 13, 2009 at 1:19 AM
Of course MB4. Same would be true of the AGW deniers as well, no? Watch the video. Obviously, anybody can be wrong about anything. That’s the point. You included.
dakine on December 13, 2009 at 1:20 AM
Rock, hyperbole is not your friend when attempting to make a cogent argument. What science do you base your premise on with respect to the topic at hand?
dakine on December 13, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Dakine
Moreover, there are good aspects to warming. More CO2 in the atmosphere, more water vapor and a warmer atmosphere which is conducive to agriculture which feeds Humanity. Historically, cold spells have been the cause of untold human misery; pestilence, failed crops, starvation, droughts and the like.
Ask any botanist or horticulturalist what a good PPM for CO2 is and it will always be higher than the current atmospheric concentration. Plants love it. Look along the side of a well traveled road and the vegetation is thicker.
We are living in a time of exception. Over the last several hundred thousand years the Earth has been Ice Ages of tens of thousands of years followed by an interglacial of about ten thousand years. Coincidentally the interglacial warm period we live in today ended about 10,000 years ago.
More Global Warming please. Not like I’ll be drowned out living at 900 feet above sea level!
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 1:24 AM
It would be nice to these greenies prove they can live a life that is drastically carbon reduced themselves, it might be more convincing. Communism with new clothes, these idiots should be ignored.
echosyst on December 13, 2009 at 1:24 AM
And what ratio of the educational material that you’ve studied on the subject was legitimate science verses propaganda? Be precise.
You can’t? I know, it was a rhetorical question because you can’t possibly know, because nobody knows what percentage of AGW “science” is real or fake. That’s a fact. We know that the peer review process was corrupted. Some researchers probably didn’t even realize that their work wasn’t properly peer reviewed, because they weren’t directly involved in fixing the game. They were unwitting beneficiaries of a process corrupted by others.
This scandal is far, far bigger the East Anglia alone. The entire field of study is now suspect.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Besides, man was almost extinct before. Lake Toba on the island of Sumatra, erupted 75,000 years ago during an Ice Age. Reduced global temps by several degrees celsius, covered parts of the Indian subcontinent in meters of ashfall. Reduced the human population down to a few thousand breeding pairs.
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 1:27 AM
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