Quotes of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on December 12, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Mrs Mason, 59, added: ‘Things are getting worse and it is partly because of our Western way of life.
“‘We need to do something about it.’
“British actress Helen Baxendale and supermodel Helena Christensen were among the celebrities joining the demonstrators.
“Christensen said: ‘They will be very bad politicians if they do not hear us by now.’”
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“At a candlelight vigil on the conference grounds, Tutu compared the mass demonstrations outside to other popular movements that made a mark in history.
“‘We want to remind you that they marched in Berlin and the wall fell,’ Tutu said. ‘They marched in Cape Town and apartheid fell. They marched in Copenhagen and we are going to get a real deal.’”
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“Please. Stop. You’re embarrassing yourselves. Take a deep breath, and try to understand what has happened to you during the past month. You need to accept that your dreams of global domination are over. Increasingly shrill attempts to terrify the masses into ignoring Climagate are only making you look foolish. The con job you’ve been running for the last thirty years is busted forever…
“Your status as ‘scientists’ is on probation. It will take years of faithful adherence to the scientific method, and rigorous efforts to test and disprove your hypotheses, before you can regain the trust of thoughtful men and women. Until you have accomplished this, the attitude we expect from you is humility and contrition. You have much to answer for. The time for you to issue pompous lectures is over. The time for you to give sworn testimony may soon begin.”
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Via Breitbart.
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It’s going to take many years of effort to dismantle the corrupt peer review process that’s been created and erect an open and honest one in it’s place, and then years longer to win the air of legitimacy while many of the studies done over the past decades finally undergo a legitimate scientific peer review.
This isn’t something that can be fixed for next years blockbuster UN global Marxist government confab. It could take a decade before AGW science finds it’s footing.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 1:28 AM
On the note of Lake Toba, time to turn in.
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 1:29 AM
The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow [of the earth] on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church.
- Ferdinand Magellan
If Ferdinand Magellan was alive today he would probably say “The Church of Global Warming says the earth is dangerously heating up, but I know that it is not, for I have seen the snow and ice and have felt their bitter cold, and I have more faith in snow and ice than in the Church of Global Warming, and it’s High Priests.”
Dakine, trust your own senses. Do you you feel hotter (no, not that kind of hotter) than you did 10 years ago? Is your heating bill more or less (inflation adjusted, of course) than it was 10 years ago? If Al Gore and the apocalyptic global warmists and so called “scientists” had never brought up the subject would you be wondering why no politicians or scientists were talking about how much warmer it was getting?
“But I’m freezing my ass off out here!” a little child cried out at last. “Just hear what that innocent says!” said the father: and one whispered to another what the child had said. “But it is cold out here!” said the whole people at length. That touched Barack Obama, for it seemed to him that they were right; but the thought within himself was, “I must go through with feeling all the Global Warming. I do not dare to do otherwise. Am I stupid? Am I a flat-earther? Am I a denier? Am I not fit to be President? That would be the most dreadful thing that could happen to me.” And so he held himself a little higher, which was very difficult with all the bowing that he had been doing to foreigners lately, and his aides held on tighter than ever, and proclaimed the Global Warming which did not exist at all.
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 1:30 AM
You might actually have had a point if we ignored the fact that their “questionable behavior” was the process of corrupting the scientific process itself. In other words, by corrupting the peer review process they not only allowed their own pseudo-science to slide through the system unchecked, they created the conditions that would allow other researchers pseudo-science to slide through as well.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 1:38 AM
There is no legitimate evidence of global warming and certainly not for any at all dangerous amount. Why not be worried about global cooling? It has cooled a bit in the last 10 years, something the warmists never predicted. Again, trust you own senses. Do you feel hot? Why not worry about an asteroid hitting the earth?
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 1:45 AM
This line of reasoning suggests that you view global warming in religious terms rather than scientific. Your argument mirrors those that worship God absent faith that he actually exists, but rather because if he’s real, they’ll go to heaven, and if not, no real harm has been done.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 1:46 AM
See how the leftists protest! They riot and throw tantrums and other things as well. Do they leave the place cleaner when they leave than it was when they got there? Of course not, but the State Run Media gives these motley excuses for intelligent humans all kinds of coverage and ignored about a million people who marched in Washington D. C. on September 12th without any problems being caused by the protesters. Contrast that protest of a million people with this protest of a few thousand at the most and almost a thousand of them had to be arrested because they wouldn’t follow the rules and act like decent human beings.
LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISEASE!
TruthToBeTold on December 13, 2009 at 1:48 AM
You’ll have to be more specific, I have no idea what you’re referring to. What science? That’s my point. The peer review process has been corrupted, thus, some percentage of the AGW research does not qualify as science, perhaps all of it, and it’s anybodies guess what that percentage is. The entire field of study is now suspect.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 1:48 AM
Just imagine if people who ran drug tests – drug being tested versus placebo – engaged in the same kind of stuff that these so called scientists did. The FDA would never approve the drug and the perps would quite possibly be going to jail.
MB4 on December 13, 2009 at 1:48 AM
so, they’re protesting an event whos goal they support.
if you were an ordinary person, this would confuse you.
if you follow activist politics at all, it is less confusing.
that is, if you’re on the left, you figure there’s some hidden benefit to protest demonstrations which may not be enough to convince you to stand out there in the street, but which some people are willing to put out for. it draws media coverage, and so it is bound to vaguely bring the correct kind of awareness of the issue to those “ordinary persons” who might ultimately shrug at the thing, but not before absorbing something like, “global warming, rightious passion, noble struggle” etc.
if you’re a conservative, you know probably something a bit less charitable, but equally vague of these things. progressives are, as a psychological type, narcisistic, paternacidal children whose moral self image requires others to acknowledge their correctness. and so, they pantomime “resistence” in these street performances which they represent through shrillness of tone and through the sort of safe, rule-based pseudo-violence they participate in with police. conservatives presume that, so far as there are “ordinary people” observing the phenomena, the obnoxious farce of it is crystal clear to anyone with two braincells to rub together. stupid people might actually take such events as organic happenings with meaning, but that’s part of what defines them as stupid so, f*ck ‘em.
if you are yourself a participant in activist politics, you believe that large street demonstrations replete with paper machet’ muppets and pre-ordained, casualty-free “clashes” with the police are organic happenings with meaning, in which case you’re more confused than the ordinary person left scratching his head questioning “why are they protesting something they support?”, and irretrievably so.
the core truth of the matter is better understood through the eyes of the journalist. he is there because he got a press release from the organizers. herein is a truly symbiotic relationship: without something happening, there is nothing to report; if something will not be reported, there the happening is nothing. protesters and journalists create the meaning together as potter and clay: protesters run around and do stuff, and journalists capture and arrange it into something which seems to have continuity and meaning.
both conservatives and liberals are correct about this process: the protesters are simple “look at me” pests and there is some kind of narrative thread being approached in both the performance and the representation. and yes, it is assumed that there is an “ordinary person” who will be the final audience for all of this, who will naturally suppose that the event was organic and therefor meaningful.
so here’s the message: completely independent of any heirarchy or forthought, thousands of people from all walks of life assembled in the streets to articulate their position. they are just like you, only they’re in the streets. they have been driven into the streets because they are aware of things in a way you are not yet. if you were, you too would be screeching like that with your brows knitted. as it happens, to no fault of their own, the highest eschelons of power feel exposed and threatened by their awareness and the possibility that it will spread to other ordinary people like you, and so they’ve dispatched their stormtroopers to suppress the demonstrators. this, despite the reported fact that the demonstrators were “peaceful”.
simultaneously drawing from and informing this narrative is the premise that the demonstrators’ position is moral because…
1) they are you, and you’re moral
2) they are doing it for free
3) the authorities are trying to stop them
4) they believe in something
that last one is potent. the reflexive moral kitch that one is redeemed by believing in something for its own sake is more deeply-seated than religion. it is perhaps from some primordial awareness that life has no meaning apart from the one you create. whatever it’s origins, the mental reflex is that belief is presumed moral a priori of it’s object.
in fact, i could have saved about 1500 words and just written that.
i’ve lost interest.
eh on December 13, 2009 at 1:49 AM
All one needs to confirm a worldwide socialist movement is to see or hear the rhetoric of the slogans chanted and signs waving of the marcher-protestors in Copenhagen. The issue for them is not science or climate change. It is the redistribution of the world’s wealth to be extorted by the poorer nations (bled by their corrupt leaders) from the richer nations. The AGW promoters in the latter group (corrupt themselves) intend to be the arbiters of how that wealth is redistributed.
onlineanalyst on December 13, 2009 at 1:55 AM
How many good,ethical scientists have had their funding taken away because they dont believe in AGW?How many have had their careers ruined because they wont play along with something they see as not true?How many tens of billions have been diverted to AGW”research”,that could have,and should have been used on other projects?AGW is shaping up as a disaster alright….just not in the way Al Gores Academy award(lulz)film predicts.
theTarCzar on December 13, 2009 at 2:00 AM
That’s the significance of the Climategate scandal that the
redgreen movement hasn’t grasped yet. Climategate isn’t going to set them back a year, it’s going to set them back ten years, at least. Once this filters through, these bogus peer review journals like Nature are going to have to totally reinvent themselves to have any hope of legitimacy in the future. As of now they are defunct and will only survive, if at all, as a propaganda publications, not a scientific journals.FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 2:06 AM
Dr. Zero brings sense to the discussion that claims to be a consensus.
What’s on display here, the violence, the protests, the crazy statement from parishioners of the Church of Climate Change, formerly known as the church of global warming, is Anarchy.
Tea Parties protest without any arrests and even clean up their trash when done.
As appose to what? What would you rather have? Sharia Law?
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 2:09 AM
Good questions. Traditionally, these would be the scientists doing peer review; the skeptics. That’s how science works, not blacklists.
FloatingRock on December 13, 2009 at 2:10 AM
That’s coming, infidel, as we are breeding as fast as we can and not worrying about this global warming stuff.
Allah hates you this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Infidels Christians and Jews we bomb
They are weak but we are strong
Yes Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you,
The Koran tells me so.
Allah hates you, you will die
Blow your ass up to the sky
Say the salat, chop off head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.
Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you!
The Koran tells me so.
Aleph on December 13, 2009 at 2:17 AM
I’m more worried about the health care bill passing.
But rocks falling from the sky is up there.
Along with spaceships from Mars
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 2:18 AM
My Smith & Wesson .500 LOVES me!
And thanks for the infidel complement.
It’s the nicest thing anyone on HA have evah said about me.
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 2:22 AM
There has been attempts by others to challenge scientists accreditation because they don’t believe or doubt global warming. I seem to remember some weather channel bimbo making that statement. I just can’t find the link.
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 2:38 AM
Wow. The greenies look stressed. Wonder why?
29Victor on December 13, 2009 at 2:45 AM
Glad to know I’m on your mind.
Jim Treacher on December 13, 2009 at 3:04 AM
“We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination…So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts…Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.” – Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports
“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.” – Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation
“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” – Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment
“The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models.” – Prof. Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research
“The models are convenient fictions that provide something very useful.” – Dr David Frame, climate modeler, Oxford University
“I believe it is appropriate to have an ‘over-representation’ of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience.” – Al Gore, Climate Change activist
“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” – Paul Watson, ex-member of Greenpeace commenting on the secret of Greenpeace’s success
“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis…” – David Rockefeller, Club of Rome executive member
“We are close to a time when all of humankind will envision a global agenda that encompasses a kind of Global Marshall Plan to address the causes of poverty and suffering and environmental destruction all over the earth.” – Al Gore, Earth in the Balance
“The goal now is a socialist, redistributionist society, which is nature’s proper steward and society’s only hope.” – David Brower, founder of Friends of the Earth
“If we don’t overthrow capitalism, we don’t have a chance of saving the world ecologically. I think it is possible to have an ecologically sound society under socialism. I don’t think it is possible under capitalism” – Judi Bari, principal organizer of Earth First!
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” – Maurice Strong, first Executive Director of the UN Environment Programme
“The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.” – Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund
“Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.” – Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute
“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.” – Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!
“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” – Ted Turner, founder of TBS and CNN
“It’s terrible to have to say this. World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. This is so horrible to contemplate that we shouldn’t even say it.” – Jacques Cousteau, interview with the UNESCO Courier
“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” – Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund
“The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.” – Christopher Manes, Earth First!
“If you haven’t given voluntary human extinction much thought before, the idea of a world with no people in it may seem strange. But, if you give it a chance, I think you might agree that the extinction of Homo sapiens would mean survival for millions, if not billions, of Earth-dwelling species … Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental.” – Les U. Knight, founder of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
“Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.” – David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club
Yep…all these environmentalist people sound pretty reasonable. Well, except for the ones that want to kill billions of people, or keep those in severe poverty impoverished, or lie to everyone and take everything they own for their own good…but they’re not the mainstream environmental movement, right?
Left Coast Right Mind on December 13, 2009 at 3:13 AM
Get a room you two.
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 3:34 AM
It’s just the one. He’s outside with his nose pressed up against the glass.
Jim Treacher on December 13, 2009 at 3:36 AM
Saving the Planet at the expense of Humans
Great quote collection:
I just wish they would carry out their desires so we could read about them in the obituaries.
After all, one should lead by example.
More for us.
Kini on December 13, 2009 at 3:39 AM
Probably the best recap yet, in a British tabloid, on the whole debate, is in today’s Daily Mail.
It’s long, detailed, and addresses the research by McIntyre and McKitrick on the hockey stick (the most influential graph in AGW history); the blowback to journalists who dare question AGW; and dissection of the myth (propagated by the Daily Mail itself, last week) that the Russians stole the data, complete with a veiled threat from Russia that if people persist on blaming them, they will reveal who the true source of the data is:
SPECIAL INVESTIGATION: Climate change emails row deepens
Nichevo on December 13, 2009 at 6:44 AM
Yes, indeed, the Left is a culture of death.
onlineanalyst on December 13, 2009 at 6:57 AM
Thank you very much for that collection of wisdom. Human haters, every one of them!
OldEnglish on December 13, 2009 at 7:36 AM
I can’t watch the arrest portions of the links without thinking of that “usual suspects” line from Casablanca. It’s like Rent an Unwashed Mob.
Cindy Munford on December 13, 2009 at 8:10 AM
This is the second thread where you have brought this up. Just a suggestion, broaden you reading material, anything you read over and over again tends to numb.
Cindy Munford on December 13, 2009 at 8:13 AM
crr6 on December 12, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Had that all typed up and ready to go, deary?
You must be in a tizzy that ‘fisting night’ was cancelled due to the riots in in Copenhagen.
What to do…? What to do…?
Seven Percent Solution on December 12, 2009 at 9:38 PM
OK, Seven, I had people over last night and didn’t get to read QOTD till this morning. I want you to compensate me for my medical bills. I laughed so hard coffee came out my nose and I pissed myself.
imadds on December 13, 2009 at 8:31 AM
Nice list of the enemies of humanity.
With thoughts like those I don’t understand why they are famous and influential. Most flat out say they want us dead and yet many people worship their words and deeds.
I agree with many of them the the earth would be a better place without people. People like them that is.
RagTag on December 13, 2009 at 8:35 AM
Obamastein may be making this same kind of video about the U.S. if Obamacare goes through. We’re tired of being lied to by the Congress and their buddies who are going to benefit from the bills that they are trying to ram down our throats.
Follow the money on Climate change and healthcare.
yoda on December 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM
you know nature is also a big pro-evolution rag…..we see the same groupthink in the field of evolution. and anhyone who is an evolution ‘denier’ is ostracized.
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Anthony Watts at Wattsupwiththat.com has done fantastic work in a number of areas in recent years. I think the largest is the stations siting project. NOAA (I believe) has guidelines for how weather stations are supposed to be sited, and breaks it down into five ratings categories. Only ratings I and II are acceptable, the reasons being clear when you look at the definitions of each one. Anthony’s project used volunteers to observe the siting and make measurements. Almost all of the sites in the United States have been checked, and something like 80% were rated III – V. IOW, unacceptable. Weather stations in the middle of blacktop, near large amounts of concrete, many next to industrial sized AC units, near barbeque grills(!), the list goes on and on. This has skewed the numbers for decades now. It was mentioned above that many of the nation’s largest cities showed no warming nor cooling in the last decade. The way the Urban Heat Island works, if those numbers are correct, then there has been some significant cooling in that time period. One last thing, around 1990, massive numbers of stations worldwide dropped, primarily in Siberia, Canada, and rural areas. All sites that if still in existence, would bring the total average way down. They’re gone, so that has artificially brought the average up. In conjunction with the ‘experts’ massaging the numbers up. Again, if the numbers are stable to cooling, even with those two factors, then the real cooling has been significant. Hold on to your hats, and gloves, folks…
bikermailman on December 13, 2009 at 9:12 AM
Get in on the ground floor and buy wool futures to hedge against agw.
How these silly folks can cling to a hoax is amazing, but then we have the ones rubbing their hands together in anticipation of receiving our money and you understand why they keep the agw ball rolling.
Kissmygrits on December 13, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Jaibones on December 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM
This may be off the subject but I want to point out the left is massively rewriting history to support their agenda right now (they forgot Global Cooling from the 70′s and WHO was pushing it for example). As someone who speaks conversational German and went to the East Berlin in 1984 (in other words I followed the history of the wall) I remember Police with Machine guns in East Berlin and Military parades not an atmpsphere where people marching had ANY influence on taking down the Wall.
Just too tough to say “Ronald Reagan and Thatcher” isn’t it Tutu because they are not left wingers. THE LEFT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BERLIN WALL FALLING AND THEIR IDIOTIC PROTESTS.
You PEOPLE PRODUCE AND HELP NOTHING!!!!!
Conan on December 13, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Either that or he’s a Furry and wants to do… erm.. something else with them.
:|
wearyman on December 13, 2009 at 11:23 AM
I think he was referring to the brave East Germans who marched to the wall in the face of machine guns, the day it was finally brought down. If I remember correctly, Reagan wasn’t with them.
crr6 on December 13, 2009 at 11:39 AM
If Europe can afford to pay all this money to help developing countries combat climate change, How about they pay us back for all the money we helped them out with during WW2?
RossMcG on December 13, 2009 at 12:06 PM
You remember incorrectly (and your grasp of contemporary history is as tenuous as your grasp of climate science).
Reagan was always with the East German people – he was against the leftwing communist government imprisoning them. And the East Germans knew that.
The left (your clan) had NOTHING to do with the fall of the Wall. You cheered on the communists and had you succeeded, those people would still be imprisoned in that collectivist hellhole you mistook for a utopia.
Oh, well everything looks bad if you remember it. – Homer Simpson
Good Lt on December 13, 2009 at 12:09 PM
So Reagan was marching with the East Germans when they went to tear down the wall?
And it’s my grasp of history that’s tenuous. LOL.
That’s why it’s hilarious when you guys credit Reagan with tearing down the wall, and we’ll never stop mocking you for it. Imagine if everytime someone mentioned WWII, we whined and insisted you credit FDR with victory, rather than the troops and generals.
Reagan gave a speech. It was the East German people, not Reagan who bravely marched, in the fact of armed guards to tear down the wall.
crr6 on December 13, 2009 at 12:18 PM
crr6 there were never any protest marches that took down the wall you complete and absolute twit!!! The East Germans announced an end to the no free travel policy (because of the collapse caused by Reagan) and then people GATHERED at the wall and after seeing that they weren’t being ARRESTED AND GUNNED down started to protest. You complete and utter fool you never saw or EXPEREINCED East Germany and you sure don’t know what you are talking about you deranged lefty!
Conan on December 13, 2009 at 12:23 PM
LOL that’s exactly what I was referring to! They all marched (or if you prefer, “gathered) to the wall. They didn’t know that they weren’t going to be gunned down! It was extremely brave, and of course Reagan had nothing to do with it.
crr6 on December 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Being from the People’s post-Apartheid Paradise that is the modern Republic of South Africa, Tutu probably sees nothing wrong with rioting and mayhem as he’s now numb to it.
At least in South Africa they have the courtesy of putting up Hijacking Zone warning signs so you know when to be extra vigilant.
Also, they have their hands full in trying to make sure that visitors aren’t mugged when they go to see the World’s Cup there next year.
Wonder how many stupid white people have to be hacked/stabbed to death to realize that most black Africans don’t like them and don’t want them there?
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 13, 2009 at 12:30 PM
You’re obviously lying, and would get openly laughed at by most Germans. I’ve been to Berlin many times, and I am actually dating a Berliner. No one there credits Reagan with taking down the wall, many have barely heard of him. What brought down the wall was the bravery of the East German people, and the inherent weaknesses within the East German political and economic system. Please go back to your hole before further embarrassing yourself.
crr6 on December 13, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Ah, so if he wasn’t literally in the streets with them (impossible, as no Westerners, let alone the President of the United States, were allowed in to your leftwing utopia of East Berlin), then he had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
Of course, that applies to all terrorists killed under Obama’s watch as well. If Obama himself isn’t at the controls of a drone or in the field himself, then he can’t logically (your logic) claim credit for anything that happens. Can he? No (by your ‘logic’). But he and you will try mightliy. And we’ll be here to mock you and remind you of your own standards for what constitutes an accomplishment of leadership.
It’s called support. He also imposed economic sanctions on the communists, and was merciless in seeing to it that they got NOTHING from the US until they gave up. And they did.
Not because of you, the left or the Democrats, who were vocally against anything Reagan did (including the liberation of East Germany and fighting the communists). Because of the right, Reagan, Thatcher, JPII, the brave East German people and because the USSR could obviously not sustain it’s corrupt, soul-less, tyranny. Leftwing tyranny.
And by the way, crr6, what happened to you “dismantling” of Watts’ devastating expose of how your “scientists” at the IPCC and CRU homogenized data that contradicted your claims that global temperatures were rising and that mankind was responsible?
Can we expect to see that soon, or no? Forgot what you were talking about on this thread, I see?
Good Lt on December 13, 2009 at 12:31 PM
OH! Pardon us! All it takes for a worthelss law student to become a self-styled ‘expert’ on the history of the fall of the Berlin Wall (about which the left and Democrats did nothing and actively supported) is to…date a Berliner! All of those historians who correctly noted Reagan’s importance in that historical event (the one the left protested) were wrong. crr6 has the REAL story. Now it can be told.
Got that, everyone? So go out and get yourself hitched to a Berliner. Otherwise, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT REAGAN, HISTORY OR EAST GERMANY. PWN3D!
Are you serious? Did you really just try to play an absolute moral authority card by claiming that you know more about the Berlin Wall than everyone else here because you’re dating somebody from Berlin?
LOL
Reagan imposed sanctions on them. They got no help from the US, and like clockwork, they collapsed.
That political/socioeconomic system, by the way, was one the international and American left told us was “the wave of the future” and the “proper” system (and still does). Not this evil capitalist, “free market” crap that the evil Joos and neocon Rethuglikkkans are always ranting about.
Please stick to whatever it is you’re studying (law, I presume), because you’re embarrassing yourself when you try to talk about climate science and contemporary history.
Good Lt on December 13, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Then why were the Democrats and the American left, of which you are a member, protesting Reagan’s ongoing, unceasing fight with the USSR and it’s proxy states and governments?
Like Climategate, if Reagan wasn’t a big deal when it came to this event, then why do you insist on protesting his involvement and reassuring yourself that he had nothing to do with it?
Either-or. You can’t have your cake and eat it.
Good Lt on December 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM
It would have happened irrespective of his actions, you moron. You’ve clearly just been spoon fed this crap for so long, that it’s highly entertaining watching your panic as your world crashes around you. “ZOMG Reagan did not waive his magic wand to make the wall fall?!?!? Whaaaat???”
Anyway, imputing all of your imaginary positions of the “American left” to me is getting irritating, as is acting as if I’m sort of fan of communism. If you continue, I’ll consider it an invitation to assume you’re a fan of fascism, and every position ever held by some on the American Right.
crr6 on December 13, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Question for Good LT, do you credit FDR within winning WWII?
If so, do you insist that he be mentioned everytime victory in WWII is?
If so, do you mention FDR much more than the troops and generals when giving credit for WWII?
crr6 on December 13, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Do you blame Hoover for the grat Depression? How about FDR?
Hell yes FDR gets some of the credit. HE made sure the US government and the military didn’t surrender and leave prematurely before the war was won. Decisively.
He was the political leader that won the war. The generals, lieutenants, corporals, etc. all the way down to the last lowly private were also as responsible. They SHARE the credit.
Ah, so if Reagan had taken the Jimmy Carter approach and made equivalent the two governments in the eyes of the international community (instead of starving the East German government of aid and resources and political support), then this whole communist dictatorship would have just magically disappeared. Because that’s what leftwing dictatorships do – the just magically up and blow away like dust in the wind (see Cuba, Venezuela, etc.). No need to oppose them or anything. Just let them do whatever they will and they’ll eventually (after a few hundred million or so bodies pile up) end.
Can I buy some pot from you?
It is a historical FACT that the American left opposed Reagan’s involvement in the Cold War, opposed his constant and harsh rhetoric towards the Soviets and the East German government, and opposed him politically every step of the way.
Who was the Democrat leader in the US calling for the destruction of the Soviet government? Names.
I’m sorry if this little inconsistency in American leftwing mainstream political history makes you squirm, but thems the facts.
The right doesn’t support fascism.
Fascism. Look it up.
The right supports free market capitalism and decentralized government (I’m not sure which mainstream figures on the American right supported Mussolini and Hitler during WWII – feel free to let us all know).
The dictionary definition of fascism is more characteristic of the Obama Administration’s approach to “governance’ these days than anything the right ever did. But again, that might irk you.
So I’ll let you continue to wallow in your delusions and pretend that reality need not intrude.
Good Lt on December 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM
:) Thanks. I’m in TN now, but I’ll always be a Bama girl. He is the first. They’ve been known to say We win Championships, not Heismans…but not anymore. Hopefully, it will be both this year.
I was there when Penn State beat Bama in 1986. You guys won the National Championship that year, didn’t you? I hope you don’t get embarrassed next year, but I do hope you lose. ;)
Okay, sorry for hijacking the thread again. *runs off singing Sweet Home Alabama*
pannw on December 13, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Related to the topic of this thread:
World’s tinpot tyrants, socialists and murderers to make speeches at “climate change” conference.
BECAUSE OF TEH SCIENCEZ, WINGNUTZZZZ@!!!@11
As if the left and the envirostatists needed to do something else to delegitimize their deflating political movement.
Good Lt on December 13, 2009 at 1:14 PM
UN security stops Journalists from asking question about Climategate. From the people who brought you, the oil for food fraud.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/11/un-security-stops-journalists-questions-about-climategate/s
Dr Evil on December 13, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha The Dems have cancelled their plans to send a delegation to Copenhagen because, as Jawn Carry (Help us; we’re stuck in Irak) claims, “Harry needs us here” for the “health-care bill”.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/12/health-care-to-keep-democrats-from-copenhagen-conference/
onlineanalyst on December 13, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Did crr6 just cite factcheck.org as a “source” for “prving” AGW?
Bwahahahaha!!!
bluelightbrigade on December 13, 2009 at 2:21 PM
you’re a typical left wing lying piece of trash..
get a clue you pathetic moron.
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 2:43 PM
well why didn’t they take it down in 1965? or 1970, or 1980 then…were they cowards back then?
your ‘logic’ is laughable. and you libs think you’re so smart…delusional.
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 2:45 PM
blogger should heed his own advice.
disillusioned on December 13, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Good to see the true believer is stinking up another thread with lies and history revision.
daesleeper on December 13, 2009 at 4:59 PM
do you give FDR ‘credit’ for selling out eastern europe to STALIN??? how about him handing over tens of thousands of german POWs to the Russians…to be slaughtered?? hmmmmm??
just curious. I know you won’t have the guts to answer this…
right4life on December 13, 2009 at 5:17 PM
crr6
Reagan was instrumental. Do you honestly believe the Berlin Wall would have fallen when it did, exactly the way it did with anyone else leading the Free World, such as say Jimmy Carter?
Holger on December 13, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Dr. Savage’s statement is more profound then ever.
“Liberalism IS a mental disorder”
V-rod on December 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Returning to the topic of this thread:
crr6,
Here’s something that may interest you. Care to comment?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/
single stack on December 13, 2009 at 9:00 PM
So you’re dating a Berliner, eh? That in of itself means nothing w/o context. To wit, Wessie or Ossie, even if Wessie, which neighborhood? Kreuzberg for one was chock full of anarchists, punks and commies back in those days. Naturally, their ilk were re-writing history since day one. Unfortunately, most Berliners that are only now coming of age haven’t even been taught the facts of the era. That goes ditto for cr’s generation – the post-Mauerfall Kinder.
If you knew history, you’d know that it was only after it was announced on the DDR news by one of Honecker’s minister as to when people would be free to travel to the West that said in effect, “as far as I know, effective immediately, without delay.” Only then did thousands of Ossies bumrush Checkpoint Charlie. They did not magically collect the courage to march on the border guards, rather it was the words broadcasted by their own propaganda ministry that told them they could go – now.
Read up on your history before you spout more nonsense. Oh, btw, RWR was instrumental in knocking over the dominoes that led to the collapse of the USSR. Germany, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia and the rest who lived and experienced the yoke of communism know and revere the anti-communist trinity – Reagan, Thatcher & John Paul 2.
PS, I trump your dating a clueless Berliner in more ways than 1.
AH_C on December 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM
before
after
disillusioned on December 14, 2009 at 1:05 AM
crr6 is dating a jelly donut.
Jim Treacher on December 14, 2009 at 3:02 AM
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