Video: Ziegler, Uyger debate about Sarah Palin
posted at 1:36 pm on December 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
It’s a 26-minute debate that John Ziegler describes to me as “an educated and civil discussion” with Young Turks host Cenk Uyger, and he’s right. Cenk lets John talk and addresses his points openly, and avoids the kind of shout-downs that usually happens at MS-NBC (and always happen there with John). In fact, both Cenk and John have a spirited conversation full of diametrically-opposed opinions and irreconcilable points of view, but the tone remains professional and friendly throughout. Kudos to both for a great discussion, but it raises a question: if Cenk can exhibit this much professionalism with such a political opposite on his Internet show, why can’t MS-NBC hire actual professionals to perform to the same level for a living?
Did either have their minds changed at the end of 26 minutes? No, but both had a full airing of their points of view. It’s also interesting for its demonstration of the Rashomon effect, where two people look at the same events have two completely different interpretations of them. On many levels, this is fascinating.
Don’t forget to see John’s Media Malpractice documentary to get the background on John’s argument.
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Uyger is a Daily Kos bottomfeeding troll. But Ziegler is a Palinbot so I guess it evens out.
Speedwagon82 on December 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Political hackery and base stupidity at its very finest from both wings.
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Maybe its just me, but I find Zeigler very irritating.
Maybe it is the tone of his voice, or the constant smile on his face, or just his manner… or maybe all three, but he just gets under my skin.
I find him obnoxious. Is it just me?
Daddy-O on December 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM
If I had to choose between being called a kos kid or a Palinbot, I’d wear the Palinbot badge with honor.
CurtZHP on December 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Obviously they can but do not want to.
jwolf on December 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Now where’s the fun in that?
rbj on December 11, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Can they? Are there even any true professionals left in this field?
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM
+1
GT on December 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Great find, Ed. I wish all liberals could behave with such civility.
John the Libertarian on December 11, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I haven’t watched the Young Turks in a while(probably 2005 or so), but I do remember that one chick was kind of hot…
ninjapirate on December 11, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Can they? Are there even any true professionals left in this field?
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM
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I don’t know, but I do know there are true professionals on the right in this field.
uknowmorethanme on December 11, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Are you saying Rachel Maddow isn’t professional? :-|
SouthernGent on December 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM
I respect Governor Palin but when I hear her speak I keep hearing her called stupid Sarah. When I compare her to our alternatives, however, I see Golda Meir, Maggie Thatcher and the best parts of our American pioneer women in a package that resembles a mature Barbie doll.
IlikedAUH2O on December 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Not just you. The constant smiling is beyond creepy.
Nice unbuttoned shirt, John. Are you trying to seduce him?
Proud Rino on December 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Speedwagon82 on December 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM
What is it about supporting Sarah Palin that makes you hang your head in shame? Whom are you really trying to impress with your “both sides balance it out” malarkey?
BradSchwartze on December 11, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM
As opposed to the erudite lingustics of David Brooks agreeing to throw Sarah Palin in the garbage at the passive-agressive insistence of the NYT crowd.
BradSchwartze on December 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM
The Young Turks: Where Moron Meets Moron
amerpundit on December 11, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Very poor word choice on my part. I should have said “are there even any true professionals remaining in this field?”
I did NOT mean to imply the moonbat crowd has any claim to superiority in this arena. They don’t, not by a long shot.
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Loving the clipart logo young turks uses.
tetriskid on December 11, 2009 at 2:00 PM
You’re assuming that (p)MS-NBC is an actual News program.
Kini on December 11, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Because journalism majors have the lowest SAT scores of any major that doesn’t expect to have summers off…
phreshone on December 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM
No, he isn’t.
BPD on December 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Ziggy was insufferable on the radio here in L.A., and has continued to expose his unpleasant nature at every opportunity.
What saves him is his adoration of Sarah Palin. No matter what inanities he mouths about her, the Palin Rabid Response Team is there (here, too) to back him up.
The Zig would be slingin’ hash in North Rabbit Tail, South Dakota if judged solely on his merits.
MrScribbler on December 11, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Maybe because she isn’t qualified to be President? She is slightly more qualified than the Obamessiah but thats a pretty low bar.
Speedwagon82 on December 11, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Classic Ziegler footage.
crr6 on December 11, 2009 at 2:10 PM
She has over 10 years as an executive in elected office, and she has the right philosophy. That’s all the qualifications she needs in my book.
BPD on December 11, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Ziegler and Palin in the headline. It’s a like a honey that the trolls cannot ignore.
lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Because the dirty little secret that the left knows but will never admit… Conservatism is pesuasive. Any debate on any political topic of two knowledgable persons on opposite sides of the issue will see the conservative make the most persuasive arguement. MS-NBC knows this in their littlke black hearts. It’s why CNN had to fact check an SNL-skit. The narrative is persuasive because it is based on truth.
Theworldisnotenough on December 11, 2009 at 2:14 PM
I liked Zigler’s show on KFI. Brian Suits pales in comparison. They have been experimenting with his timeslot ever since.
Theworldisnotenough on December 11, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Cenk Uyger shows perfectly how even intelligent lefties use bias to twist common sense and create hate.
There’s no such thing as a liberal honest broker.
Speakup on December 11, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Had to laugh. This is actually a pretty accurate description of Palin. Unfortunately the left, as well as the uninformed general public, focus on the “barbie doll” part and not on what’s inside. That is what really matters.
UltimateBob on December 11, 2009 at 2:19 PM
The Obama Doctrine. You know, the Obama Doctrine…
rogersnowden on December 11, 2009 at 2:20 PM
No,
heit isn’t.BPD on December 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Sorry, had to correct that for you. Rocky has no gender.
PimFortuynsGhost on December 11, 2009 at 2:21 PM
This type of snarky criticism is typical of empty headed liberals. How about you address what he said in the interview that you disagree with or can you remember any more of the interview than what John Ziegler was wearing?
donh525 on December 11, 2009 at 2:24 PM
spirited and lively debate–healthy and necessary….
good one!
ted c on December 11, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Rhetorical, right?
bluelightbrigade on December 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM
first they’d have to accept the premise that a) there are opposing viewpoints and b) they are worth hearing. Next, they’d have to realize that they’d likely get whupped up on in the arena ideas since they are rhetorically unarmed and must resort to molotov cocktail tactics in order to get their message out.
stupid is as stupid does @ MSNBC.
ted c on December 11, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Cenk has this luxury because he is a tool all other times. This guy actually thought Franken was a genius for something he said is some hearing. Lee Dorn took Franken apart over those comments and I bet Cenk never retracted his earlier fawning.
aikidoka on December 11, 2009 at 2:33 PM
The narrative is settled.
the_nile on December 11, 2009 at 2:34 PM
I used to listen, but 90% of that was due to Leah Brandon. She was hot.
Suits without Kennedy is not good. John & Ken are, IMO, unlistenable. About all I listen to nowadays is Mark Levin on KABC.
MrScribbler on December 11, 2009 at 2:34 PM
I have no respect for liberals who would give a pass to any liberal who said or did anything in any situation.
If Tiger can prove he is a liberal then he is a poor sex addict who needs help. If he is a conservative he is a prowling monster.
moughon on December 11, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Thanks Ed,very civil and professional. MSNBC should take notes, maybe they would have more viewers.
redridinghood on December 11, 2009 at 2:42 PM
The “Young Turks” was also a name applied to the group of Turks that seized power when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, and eventually led to the Armenian Genocide, so I’ve always been a little taken aback at their label, particularly when considering their YouTube videos, which are usually quite Olbermann-like.
That said, I’ll be looking forward to this interview when I get home. If Ed thinks it was fair, it’ll be worth a watch.
MadisonConservative on December 11, 2009 at 2:44 PM
It is his manner, and it’s not just you. In interviews he regularly affably plays the victim card, and it comes off horribly. He also will tend to whine more about an interviewer or opponent rather than take the opportunity to counter them with a good argument.
However, the guy is incredibly sharp WHEN he argues. He’s very deft at responding immediately to gotcha games.
Ultimately, he’s a double-edged sword. Valuable, but needs work.
MadisonConservative on December 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM
No, it isn’t just you.
stldave on December 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM
RACIST!!!!!!!!
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Snowed In on December 11, 2009 at 2:51 PM
He doesn’t realize “Palinbot” sounds stupid and makes him sound like a bitter Romney supporter.
alliebobbitt on December 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Really? Every time the liberal guy made a point, he was all, “Well that wasn’t her best response, but I would have liked to have seen what Obama would have said, and ALSO OMFG THE MEDIA IS SOOOO LIBERAL.” Zzzzzzz. He sucks.
Proud Rino on December 11, 2009 at 2:55 PM
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the_nile on December 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM
theTarCzar on December 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM
A Democrat mayor of a small town (and briefly Governor of s small population state like Vermont) would get his butt laughed out of a Democrat primary contest. Why should our side have lower standards?
Speedwagon82 on December 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Charlie’s question is idiotic.
I would have responded “Charlie, do you have the right to shoot someone?”.
If he says no, I would ask why he doesn’t believe in self defense?
Without context those type of questions expose more about the interviewer than the interviewee..
DavidM on December 11, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Nice substantive analysis there. The very caliber I’ve come to expect from you.
MadisonConservative on December 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Let me be upfront about John Ziegler. He is not perfect, but neither are as Palinistas. If you meet me you could point out my personal flaws right away, but does that make me any less worthy to be a Palinista.
For producing Media Malpractice Ziegler should be commended for helping to relaunch the Sarah Palin express in the past 3 weeks. It is too easy to forget in the rapid-paced world of 24/7 cable news, the accessibility of info on the Internet, and the instantaeous reactions of events in the blogosphere and Facebook that two major events, besides the Palin resignation, laid the groundwork for the resurrection of Sarah Palin: the CPAC speech by Rush Limbaugh that revitalized and crystallized the conservative movement causing it to become more receptive to the Reagan conservative message of Sarah Palin and Media Malpractice which provided an alternative reason why Sarah Palin was protrayed the way that she was and that this portrayal was not only bogus but gross malpractice akin to Goebbels-like disinformation and propaganda.
I, for one, will never dump on Ziegler for defending Sarah Palin. IMHO, she needs more folks like Ziegler who would take a bullet for her, not less.
technopeasant on December 11, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Yeah thats why we have an empty suit and a brain dead moron as Prez and Vp right now
theTarCzar on December 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Seems to me like the Messiah has plenty of people willing to do that for her.
Proud Rino on December 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM
And yet a Dem with even *less* credentials sits in the WH today. Go figure!
Midas on December 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Let’s talk Messiahs.
I’m no fan of the Palinistas either, but attack THEM, not her. She doesn’t direct them.
MadisonConservative on December 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM
russcote on December 11, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Ok, let me fix it. A white mayor of a small town and low population state.
Speedwagon82 on December 11, 2009 at 3:13 PM
That last clip they played, of the O’Reilly interview… There was nothing wrong with her answer. John should have said that. It was easy to tell what she was saying, because she said it plainly. If you saw stupidity in that answer, you’re just reaching. At least John made that point repeatedly.
That said, I agree that John’s manner is slightly irritating, and even though he gives good answers, I’m sure he doesn’t change many people’s minds. It’s unfortunate, and more reflective of other people than of him, but it’s reality. (Or at least, I would imagine so.)
OneGyT on December 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Yes, Obama has creepy supporters too, OK. I was attacking her supporters – and I attack her, when she deserves it. I haven’t said anything bad about Palin in this thread. I don’t blame her for her creepy followers any more than I blame Obama for his creepy followers.
Proud Rino on December 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM
This was her answer:
That is rambling and incomprehensible.
Proud Rino on December 11, 2009 at 3:20 PM
..res judicata..
Rehashing Palin’s early interviewing skills and the piss-poor prep she received at the hands of the McCain staff is old news. The race has run its course and the POSOTUS hoodwinked the MSM and the American Idol Public with his silky-tongue skills.
The jury is coming in on this turd, Obama, and the verdict is not looking good.
As for Ziegler being annoying: here, agreed. Other venues, not so much. Bottom line is that 26 minutes of Ziegler live is quite enough for one day.
VoyskaPVO on December 11, 2009 at 3:23 PM
When i see Palin supporters “fainting” at her appearances,or gushing”Shes gonna pay my mortgage!Shes gonna fill my gas tank!”,then maybe you can consider her most avid supporters anywhere near as “creepy” as Obama supporters.I doubt any Palin supporters would get fooled by Howard Stern into supporting Obamas policies(whatever they really are,at any given moment),just by switching the politicians names.Most Palin supporters saw her get ripped to shreds for months(most of it total BS),and yeah,that makes people much quicker to defend her..
theTarCzar on December 11, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Are there even any true professionals in left field?
FIFY.
Steve Z on December 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Proud Rino on December 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Who is more creepy than James Carville or Barney Frank?
You couldn’t have been referring to Billy Graham, Jim Robinson of FR, and Brigadier General Anthony Tata who either endorsed Palin in the past couple of weeks or gave her a very strong recommendation.
And to referring to me as a ‘creepy follower’, I’d rather be a ‘creepy follower’ of Sarah Palin than ‘a sycophantic follower of the creepy Obama’.
technopeasant on December 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Let’s keep the discussion limited to earthlings, please.
Proud Rino on December 11, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Oh, come on. How can you not love the guy? Mary Matalin does, after all.
MadisonConservative on December 11, 2009 at 3:39 PM
The reality is you HAVE to have ‘creepy’ followers to get elected. Every POTUS has had them… it’s just that, now, the blogosphere magnifies their presence.
Romney, Huckabee, and especially Pawlenty have 0 chance of winning in 2012 because they don’t evoke any passion from their followers.
BPD on December 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM
I do blame Obama to some extent for his supporters because he indulged them all throughout the campaign and now. The Olympic columns at the convention, making himself the centerpoint of any speech he gives etc.
Speedwagon82 on December 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM
We need more John Zieglers to cut through all the distortions, slanders, and misrepresentations of conservatives let alone republicans that the democrats with their propaganda (hello, Hollywood) have cemented in people’s minds for the past 40+ years. The democrats would love nothing better than to use the usual “CNN” formula of having some soft-spoken conservative sandwiched between 2 shrill liberals that always get in the last word. And usually a lie. That’s all we had in the 1990s and it’s a nice change to have so many conservative voices out there countering the liberal propaganda.
mozalf on December 11, 2009 at 3:44 PM
The Young Turks, isn’t that where kids go for news commentary when they think they graduated from MTV?
Irenaeus on December 11, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Yeah, but that’s just smart politics, because
I do not agree with this, though:
No one was excited about John Kerry – heck no one was that excited about John McCain. But they won their nominations anyway. You put these guys in a multiperson election and that ball can bounce a lot of different ways, and people start voting ‘defensively’ not because they like John Kerry but because they’re terrified of a Dean candidacy.
Usually means they’re not going to win in the general, though.
Proud Rino on December 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM
What alternatives are there? One of a half-dozen white RINOs with even less spine and more tax-wasting foolishness than Bush?
As of right now the good choices are down to the two P’s: Palin and Paul. Neither of them are by any means the perfect candidate. Palin’s a ditz and a quitter, and Paul just plain goes off the deep end on a few issues.
But right now, we have darn few cards in our hand, and it’s either play what we’ve got or fold outright.
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 4:02 PM
All Uyger’s questions a circular and aren’t really questions when you already know the answers. Zygler should have made him define intelligence and then give examples where Obama showed total ignorance.
Prior to the presidency Palin had more executive experience than Obama, Biden, and McCain put together whether she knew who Hamas was or not. Zygler should have made Uyger admit that or no more questions, which would prove she had more history of leading this country.
Seriously if Uyger today doesn’t think that Palin is smarter than Obama then he is pretty ignorant himself.
lilium on December 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM
You know, I don’t know how to break it down so it can be easily understood, because it’s already very plain. But I’ll give it a shot, sentence by sentence:
She’s listing a couple of her presidential qualifications in addition to her executive experience she already mentioned. One being “common sense” and the other being that her goals and values have commonality and congruity with many Americans.
Here she’s saying that the typical politician is a spineless snob and makes up for it with an Ivy League education and buffs up their resumes without actually working hard or having a clue what average people face in the private sector. She also says that this typical politician is not what she believes Americans want.
In these two sentences, Palin reaffirms what she had previously said about Americans wanting something different, and states it positively this time (“Americans could be seeking something like that”) as opposed to negatively (“what Americans are not seeking…”). Then she says that the “positive change in their leadership” doesn’t necessarily have to be her.
I still have no clue why any of that was “incomprehensible”. It was crystal clear to me the first time I heard it (when it was played by TYT in the clip).
OneGyT on December 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM
And what you posted in defense of her was rambling and incomprehensible. I can forgive Palin for not handling the question on the fly well – I don’t know what your defense is going to be.
The question was, basically, ‘are you smart enough to be president?” And she responded by saying she has common sense and values that are reflective of other values(?!?!?) Well, common sense doesn’t make you smart. It’s a good thing to have, but it doesn’t make you especially intelligent, otherwise it wouldn’t be called common sense.
The ironic thing is, Sarah Palin is an elitist. She thinks the country should be run by a bunch of people just like her, and she thinks that people that live in places that aren’t like the one she comes from are somehow “less American” than she is. That’s the definition of elitism. So her screed on elitism was hilarious in its hypocrisy, but again, still doesn’t answer the question as to whether she’s intelligent enough to be president.
It was an atrocious answer, and you gave an atrocious defense of it, and may God have mercy on your souls.
Proud Rino on December 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM
No, Zig was not insufferable here in LA. In fact, he got great ratings. Zig was right about sooooo many issues here in Los Angeles, California, and the USA. He called Schwarzenegger a lib before anybody else. He was right about the Propositions on the ballot in 2006. He’s not a shill, hack or a liar. He’s a good old fashioned libertarian.
Now if you want insufferable here’s a few: John and Ken, Peter Tilden, and Handle. All pretty ignorant.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Is that a joke?
An undistinguished state senator barely into his first term as a US Senator with no executive experience and no legislative accomplishments at either the state or national level won the nomination. Obama and Biden combined don’t have Palin’s practical, problem-solving line executive experience in government.
rrpjr on December 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Anyone that gets excited about a political candidate is most likely a blind follower. Similar to the Nazi supporters in Germany 1933. Voting for a candidate should be a reason to ask intelligent questions and expect to get intelligent answers. Apparently, Obama voters can do neither. Example, answer to his own feelings about abortion: it’s above my pay grade. What a retarded answer. Deep thinker that Obama. Yep.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Haha, okay whatever. You’re delusional.
OneGyT on December 11, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Guys, John Zieger comes across as an apologist for Palin. He is trying to come up with excuses for why she was unprepared for the media spotlight. Look at it this way folks: Before the Couric and Gibson interview, most Americans knew very little about Palin and her ideology views. All what Couric and Gibson were trying to do is see if she understands the world around us, and leave it up to the viewer to decide if she comes across as someone you would want to vote for. For her to constantly dodge questions and draw blanks on basic questions, tells a lot of us, that she’s unprepared for a high level executive position.
I don’t think Palin is stupid (just the opposite. College educated, Governor, Mayor, etc), but I do think she and Senator McCain came off poorly.
Why is it wrong to ask her about foreign policy questions, about the Supreme court, and what newspapers/magazines she likes to read?
Frank T.J Mackey on December 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM
No, look kids, it’s like this. The Concern Trolls who show up at every Sarah Palin post want the Republican Party to nominate some boring clyde who believes in nothing save their own wonkishness and plutocratic ambition, like Romney.
That way, Obama can coast to reelection.
Please, Proud Rino, nobody’s fooled.
victor82 on December 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Good grief, what the heck are you so “proud” of?
I don’t see it.
Brian1972 on December 11, 2009 at 7:09 PM
What were Truman’s accomplishments prior to assuming the Presidency?
What were Hillary’s accomplishments prior to running for the Senate?
Red State State of Mind on December 11, 2009 at 7:10 PM
That statement is laughably wrong as can be. They both had their minds made up the minute she was announced to the country, and they both (along with the rest of the MSM) did everything they could to convey their opinions to the voters watching what they think they should do.
These people do this all the time, every single hour of every single day. They try to tell you what to think, and if that doesn’t work they start twisting things around or leaving things unreported to influence people against their will. It only accelerated with this woman’s emergence.
You give these media figures far too much credit when they have proven for decades they do not deserve it.
Brian1972 on December 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Not joking or trying to be sarcastic, but are you a new poster here? If so, welcome aboard! If not, I apologize that I haven’t noticed your postings before.
Red State State of Mind on December 11, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Speaking of our dear Trolls, I’d like to put together a Troll Bowl Championship Series simialar to what we have in College Football. There could be a Concern Troll Bowl matching the two who have best shown their faux concern for the topics discussed here; similarly, a Snark Troll Bowl, a Big Words-Little Ideas Troll Bowl….you get the idea….
Red State State of Mind on December 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
No, look let me make this clear: I want Palin to get the nomination. I may not like her as much, and I’d never vote for her under most circumstances, but, for sheer entertainment value I want her to get the nomination.
Proud Rino on December 11, 2009 at 7:43 PM
I think that this is a bad idea. A very bad idea.
The last time I tried to put a liberal in a bowl it was a real wet affair and they kept flailing around, hitting the lever, and making the water level go down. Even telling them about the enviromental irresponsibility of their repeated noncooperation didn’t make much difference.
Unless you are thinking about a bowl like Titus Adronicus, forget it and I think that option is both gross and illegal.
IlikedAUH2O on December 11, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Too many “non-liberals” fall for the misconception that because someone speaks forcefully they must be intelligent. That guy in the video is an idiot. An unadulterated ignoramus. The same with barry. I’ve sat through his speaches, read the transcripts. The guy is the black vic damone. To some people he has a soothing voice, to those who actually listen, he is a monotone, post modern, cliche machine.
peacenprosperity on December 11, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Aren’t all the Uygers in Pelau or the Caribbean or somewhere? Didn’t even know they spoke English!
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 11, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Good interview with ideological opposites. Fox News has driven political discussion down to the level of political pornography so it is refreshing to see two guys act this way.
Decider on December 11, 2009 at 8:54 PM
As every d*mn day listener to talk radio in LA, Zigler had a lot to say and did it well. He ruled the late PM slot after Dr. Laura. That he crossed ideas with Handel is not surprising. Liberal Handel rules KFI and had no clue as to how to develop Zigler. Handel’s failure yields Zigler’s firing. And Zigler took it poorly. Surprise.
Zigler has landed on his feet. That’s what talent does. Good man.
Meanwhile Dr. Laura is on KFWB 980, Handle fills in for two hours and John & Ken for four hours. Total over exposure for Handle and J& K at 5 and 4 hr respectively. Rush is the franchise player for KFI and it looks like they are milking him.
Zigler is human but is a talent on media. Still get his e-mail. Thanks.
Always zoom on his by-line.
In LA we get three talk radio frequencies: KFI 640, KABC 780 and KRLA 870. All the greats. The choice keeps me sane in Pasadena.
John & Ken are equal and complimentary to Hewitt. Alternate with the two. Easily.
Suits was good with Kennedy but holds his own nicely on a weekday basis. (Listen Sunday 2-4 to his Dark Secret Place for a treat.)
Wonder why white So Cal is conservative? We have encouragement. And black So Cal is joining us from the callers. And that other “minority” wants success, too.
Politically, the pits. Audio, Nirvana.
Caststeel on December 12, 2009 at 1:44 AM
i’m not such a huge Palin fan personally…i don’t think she’s dumb but i also think the John was rationalizing the crap out of those video clips…so she doesn’t always interview great! not the end of the world
but anywho it’s good to see real debate even if it’s crappy debate between opposing ideologies
dirksilver on December 12, 2009 at 4:21 AM
I agree with Captain Ed; no matter how you feel about Palin this was an outstanding discussion/debate conducted by two pros.
DaMav on December 12, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Both the Gibson and Couric interviews were heavily edited to make her appear in as bad a light as possible.
If you go to the network’s websites, you might be able to find the unedited transcript of the interviews. You’ll see what they cut out, what they transposed in time, etc..
She was deliberately edited to give as negative an impression as possible.
I readily concede that she was not at-ease in the interviews… something I blame on the abysmal management running the McCain campaign.. and the fact they had sequestered her for so long that these interviews were given far more significance than they normally would have had.
VinceP1974 on December 12, 2009 at 4:36 PM