Poll of GOP “insiders”: It’s time for Palin to go away
posted at 6:54 pm on December 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
Given the conventional wisdom that “elitist” derision towards her only makes her supporters support her more adamantly, you’d think savvy Beltway consultants who don’t like her would keep that fact to themselves. And yet. Here’s their answer to the question, “Which voice in your party would you most like to mute?”
That’s among “political” insiders, i.e. consultants. Among senators and congressmen polled, she finished second behind “no one,” tied with Michele Bachmann and Glenn Beck, among others. These insiders are the same people, mind you, who earlier this year voted her seventh among Republican governors with the brightest political future (Mark Sanford was fifth). No wonder she enjoys jabbing them with threats about going third-party.
Speaking of insiders antipathetic to Palin, the results of the David Plouffe book challenge are finally in. No surprises there either. Exit question: Now that the book tour’s over and the last of the big media interviews are done, what can she do to get these lines to flip?
Update: Via Greg Hengler, her admirers on the left continue to express their “admiration.”
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Since the press was in the tank for him, he didn’t need much experience, and the radical experience he did have was ignored. Go ask regular “moderate” voters what they know of Rev. Wright or the Weather Underground or any of the other far-left relationships Obama has had and still has………….I’m waiting…………….Oh wait, they don’t know, and many [most] don’t particularly care.
They think Obama speaks well and he does. Many of these same voters think Palin is green, or even a joke. Perception is reality in politics. Read the GD polls!!!!!!
Don’t listen to me then. Read the polling data. She’s viewed as inexperienced or radical or stupid by the very voters she’ll need to win in the swing states. I don’t like it either, but that’s the way it is.
As I emphasized in your post, she’s a young woman in political terms. At what age was Thatcher elected? Reagan? Give it time my Palin loving friends, and in the meantime, we should find someone electable that believes in limited government and can communicate that message effectively.
toliver on December 11, 2009 at 10:05 PM
The milquetoast moderate “insiders”, the go along to get along crowd need to keep quite or switch parties like Specter. One democrap party is enough.
Zorro on December 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Honestly, there is no GOP frontfrunner.
Sarah has her issues. Credibility.
Huckabee is aligned wth the Christian right.
Romney is so out of the game.
Jindal isn’t even menetioned.
Pawlenty is barely mentioned.
Seriously, the GOP doesn’t like Palin?
I’d like to ask, then WHO?
AnninCA on December 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM
It caught my eye that Jon Voight was not polled/mentioned. Anybody else? If I was a Republican politician, why not write down The Won? Wow, no hay cojones en el Partido Republicano.
ProudPalinFan on December 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM
I have been. Her numbers are improving the more she defines herself. A couple of months ago she was what, 30 points behind Hitler?
ddrintn on December 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM
I just <3 how some people are saying,"Well ,the medias gonna be mean to her,so lets just give up",…..talk about quitters!Never give in to those wusses.
theTarCzar on December 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Not quite. You must be new here.
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Some of us haven’t forgotten the old saying to not count your Hatch until he chickens. Or how he was too often sidling up to his friend across the aisle Teddy Kennedy. Being in the Beltway and loving the camera does that to people. I’ll remain skeptical about him until convinced otherwise.
viking01 on December 11, 2009 at 10:24 PM
The same insiders who told us that John McCain had the best chance of winning the White House. Allah you and your buddy Charles Johnson are getting very tiring.
Hilts on December 11, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Dig deeper. She’s not taken seriously by the numbers it will take to make a general election victory plausible.
I think too many of you Palin people don’t hang out with liberals or people that vote, but don’t pay much attention to politics ["civilians"]. You need to get out more, or at least read the polling data, much of which is linked to from HotAir.
toliver on December 11, 2009 at 10:36 PM
What did the polling data say about a half term Senator, community organizer, black activist, muslim sypathizing American hating Marxist from Chicagos’ chances?
Sarah has another year or two to define herself and she is doin a fine job of pulling in more money, bigger crowds and more fans than anyone else. She’s the hottest ticket in town generating record breaking book sales and ratings for most of her TV appearances! She will be fine and to say she has to go to D.C. and play the game is folly.
The trend is for reforming DC not joining the corruptocrats!
Didn’t mean to call you a lib if your not but I don’t get the negative crap!
You must be buyin the media, elitist spin or have another dog in the hunt!
Whose better?
dhunter on December 11, 2009 at 10:38 PM
WTF hang out with Liberals. Yea I do and some are embarassed as hell at Pinnochio, thats’ not to say they’ll ever vote for Palin if were gonna let liberals pick our candidate we might as well bend over and run McSame again.
dhunter on December 11, 2009 at 10:46 PM
The beltway ELITES are as much trouble for America as the Obama’s. They will go along to get along and get us to the same place, only slower.
We here in Arizona will do our share by eliminating John McCain.
jainphx on December 11, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Of course they don’t like her. She’s an essentially rural outsider and therefore as big a threat to them as she is to the Dems.
Her attitudes about urban areas, rural areas, guns, government, etc. grates on the nerves of the Charles Krauthammers and Allahpundits of the party. And then there’s the D.C. functionaries – they’re probably peeing their pants at the thought of her in power.
rspock on December 11, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Political insiders is another way of saying political elites and those folk are the ones who nearly destroyed the party. It is why the Tea Party folk are so important…’political insiders’ are amongst the group most needing a purge. Let them form their own RINO party and see where that gets them.
JIMV on December 11, 2009 at 10:54 PM
The left and the elites are trying to destroy Sarah! You have to ask WHY? Do you destroy some one inconsequential? Common sense tells us that she is a threat to them, anyone that can’t see that is not looking very hard.
jainphx on December 11, 2009 at 10:59 PM
The polling data couldn’t take into account the godlike treatment given to someone who might well be a Manchurian Candidate.
Palin will be getting the exact opposite treatment.
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Forget the functionaries, a lot of Joes and Janes either react by a mental pants-wetting and/or a reaction like a cockroach just skittered across their feet. And not just the hard lefties, either.
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 11:12 PM
PalinAny and every GOP candidate for POTUS will be getting the exact opposite treatment.Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 11:10 PM
FIFY. So do you want someone that has gone thru it and survived it or a newcomer who has not had the fire form the MSM yet?
The MSM shot its wad on Palin. they threw everything even the kitchen sink at her and she is now teflon. thune, Mitt they have yet to walk the burning path of destruction the MSM will make for them.
unseen on December 11, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Has there been a primary yet? I don’t think so. That’s partly what they’re for, you know. You seem to have this notion that a candidate’s (or potential candidate’s) profile is etched in marble for all time based on some media smears. Not so.
Oh I do, trust me.
ddrintn on December 11, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Sarah? Mute?
Ain’t gonna happen, you elitist twits. Might as well jump into the Potomac now, before we come and shove you in.
atheling on December 11, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Mitt already got a taste of it with the constant SRM’s harping on his Mormon faith. Expect more of the same and then some next time around.
ddrintn on December 11, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Well, I suppose…if you call having a fanbase who ignores her outright idiotic gaffes in the manner of an Obamabot!
The MSM and the media did indeed ‘shoot their wads’, largely with insults, rumors and exaggerations like seeing Russia from her house. Now – after she quit – it’s a “boy who cried wolf” syndrome writ large.
The media foolishly expended all their credibility in a giant s**t-throwing contest, and now nobody seems to notice when she does something like pushing a conspiracy theory that “In God We Trust” had been moved to the edge of coins because of the Obama administration.
But you are right – she has truly grown a teflon skin now! While her becoming president is still quite up for debate, I don’t see what can possibly dissipate her fanbase or stop her from running in 2012 short of an EPIC scandal. And to add insult to injury for her opponents, every new round of slander and loud proclamation of her powerlessness by the media both online and off only seems to give her free advertising!
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 11:32 PM
well one of the 725 of insiders that like her:
The former first lady, in an interview with WHAM-TV in Rochester, NY:
“I like Sarah Palin. I knew her from when she was a governor and the National Governors Association would visit the White House. George and I had just been to Alaska on our way to the Olympics in China right before she was chosen as the vice-presidential nominee.
I like her, and I admire her. She’s fresh. She’s certainly a new voice for us in the Republican Party, and I wish her the very best.
We’ll see what she decides to do, and I do want women involved in politics, and especially Republican women.”
unseen on December 11, 2009 at 11:33 PM
The media foolishly expended all their credibility in a giant s**t-throwing contest, and now nobody seems to notice when she does something like pushing a conspiracy theory that “In God We Trust” had been moved to the edge of coins because of the Obama administration.
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 11:32 PM
that is a lie. She never mentioned the Obama admin and never mentioned a conspiracy. she simply used it as a metaphor on how the USA was pushing God to the side in all things. this point was brought up IRT to the abortion/pro life debate in which the it was an perfect place to bring up god and america’s relationship with him.
unseen on December 11, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Name a few.
ddrintn on December 11, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Well, I suppose…if you call having a fanbase who ignores her outright idiotic gaffes in the manner of an Obamabot!
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 11:32 PM
do tell which Gaffes? I have listened to most of her interviews during her book tour. Where did she make a gaffe?
unseen on December 11, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Gaffes and goofs:
Claiming that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had “gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers.” The companies operated as private companies.
(note: date on this one was 09-8-08)
Palin assigned the following remarks to the Hall of Fame coach John Wooden:
Only the quote wasn’t by John Wooden but by an Amerindian activist named John Wooden Legs in an essay entitled “Back on the War Ponies,” which was itself printed appeared in a left-wing anthology.
– She lied about the famed “Bridge To Nowhere.” She ran for office favoring it, wore a sweatshirt defending it*, and only gave it up when the federal congress, Senator McCain in particular, went ballistic.
* http://www.flickr.com/photos/baratunde/2826860356/
- She has lied about her firing of the town librarian and police chief of Wasilla, Alaska.
- She has lied about pressure on Alaska’s public safety commissioner to fire her ex-brother-in-law.
And as for her mayorship: when Palin took over Wasilla the town had NO long-term debt. By the time she was done, the town had close to $19 million around $3000 per capita. And the Mccain campaign asked America to consider her a fiscal conservative.
I sense I have incurred the wrath of the Palinbots…a foolish move right now as it’s nearing 11 PM on my time and I am stiff after slogging a quarter mile through snowdrifts yesterday due to bad snowplowing. I’m going to have to cut off for tonight…take my points as you will.
Dark-Star on December 11, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Those are gaffes?
ddrintn on December 12, 2009 at 12:00 AM
FIRST OFF……..HERE’S A MESSAGE TO “INSIDERS”..
GO ___________ YOURSELVES!!!!
Go back to your cocktail parties and lament the GOP being taken over by trailer trash that you frown upon.
THREE FINAL WORDS FOR YOU INSIDERS….PURGE IS COMING!!!
PappyD61 on December 12, 2009 at 12:00 AM
^ I’ve heard most of that stuff rehashed and rebutted ad nauseam since August 08.
ddrintn on December 12, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Claiming that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had “gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers.” The companies operated as private companies.
(note: date on this one was 09-8-08)
LOL. Yeah the almost $trillion it took to bail these companies out because they were backed up by the implied full faith and credit of the USA. Private? do you know what the word means?
Palin assigned the following remarks to the Hall of Fame coach John Wooden:
Our land is everything to us… I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember our grandfathers paid for it–with their lives.
no she did not. She never mentioned it was john wooden the UCLa choach. She simply stated it was John Wooden. which is the name of the author is John Wooden legs. there is no place in the book that would make one think Palin meant it was the UCLA coach. she simply left the Legs off. Mistake? editor’s error? or gaffe? Not enough information to say for sure.
She lied about the famed “Bridge To Nowhere.” She ran for office favoring it, wore a sweatshirt defending it*, and only gave it up when the federal congress, Senator McCain in particular, went ballistic.
she said she told Congress thanks but no thanks. which she did after it become a politcal football. That is not a lie.
She has lied about her firing of the town librarian and police chief of Wasilla, Alaska.
Again not a lie. she is on record in her book about both. Read her book
She has lied about pressure on Alaska’s public safety commissioner to fire her ex-brother-in-law.
Again no lie. she was clear of any wrong doing by a panel set up by the man she defeated for Gov with his appointments on the panel. And don’t for a minute try to say the overt politcal committee that did find something (you know the one who chairmen got a nice job appointed by Obama after the elction as payback for his slander)
And as for her mayorship: when Palin took over Wasilla the town had NO long-term debt. By the time she was done, the town had close to $19 million around $3000 per capita. And the Mccain campaign asked America to consider her a fiscal conservative.
Again not true as far as a know. the debt was from what I have been able to find out a bond issue voted on by voters for a rec center. It was not the genral budget fund. And it was voter approved debt.
And a slanted view of it to fit the left’s talking points. Read the real story. And study the budget.
So basically all your “gaffes” and “lies” are slander/untruths made up by the DNC/left to smear Palin. Hmmm. and you wonder why she has become teflon.
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 12:06 AM
If Palin goes away, the GOP may as well close up shop. The usual suspects just don’t cut it.
littleguy on December 12, 2009 at 12:07 AM
toliver on December 11, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Usually, whenever good conservatives hang out with liberals too many times, it ends up in some form of Stockholm Syndrome. I swear, the number of times conservatives simply respond like Pavlov’s dogs to the insistence from liberals that “You must concede….”
BradSchwartze on December 12, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Define herself by doing what? This isn’t about what’s right, it’s about swing voter perception. For the foreseeable future, she’s [POTUS] unelectable. Facebook won’t get her the points she needs. Most swing voters are not reading her bestseller.
If you are reading the polls, you know how far she needs to go.
Staw man.
I’ve been saying she needs time in high elected office to gain experience and knowledge.
The polls clearly tell us that a bestseller isn’t enough to change the public’s mind. She’s seen as a lightweight by voters that she’ll need to succeed. Sorry, but that’s the way it is with a significant amount of the voting public. Try to be objective.
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 12:14 AM
PappyD61 on December 12, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Dial it down.
BradSchwartze on December 12, 2009 at 12:15 AM
rspock on December 11, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Boy, somebody’s going to be in for a big surprise when it’s disclosed that Sarah Palin has big financial benefactors. Some of them probably even DC GOP insiders.
BradSchwartze on December 12, 2009 at 12:16 AM
Meh, no biggie. We all know that “GOP insiders” are the worst kind of GOPers there are.
t.ferg on December 12, 2009 at 12:18 AM
My oh my, how the screaming little bit**es come out when they see their turf threatened.
Wassa matta you libturds? Can’t compete with a Real woman and her moral convictions?
That, or at the heart of it you’re just totally jealous cause she wears high heels and a thong betteran you?
OkieDoc on December 12, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Of course. Is there a presidential election next week? No. Palin’s no more “unelectable” than Romney or Huckabee or anyone else. They have even more work to do.
ddrintn on December 12, 2009 at 12:24 AM
I didn’t say only liberals. I also said “civilians”. These are the people that vote but don’t obsess over politics like we do. Big difference my cherry-picking friend.
Reality =/= “Stockholm Syndrome”.
Read the God Damn polls for Christ’s sake.
2012 is too soon w/out high office time. She’ll need foreign policy experience [in swing voter's eyes] for starters.
It would also help if she could name a SCOTUS case of significance that she has problems with. Anybody remember that fair question, and how she flunked it? Perhaps she was just nervous. Perhaps she was also nervous when that slime-ball Biden cleaned her clock in her only debate. I may blame that on the McCain debate perps…I mean preps, as she may have been programmed to not respond directly to some of the biggest lies I’ve ever heard in a debate. Ditto for McCain. Those debates made me puke because we had so many missed opportunities. It’s almost like they “threw the game”.
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 12:26 AM
You don’t get it. Too many swing voters think she’s a joke. It’s not fair, but that’s reality. Get out more. Read more polls.
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 12:28 AM
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 12:26 AM
Those civilians you speak of don’t really care about any Supreme Court decisions other than Roe v Wade. And those same civilians usually speak out against any conservative that brings up “issues” in conversation.
Yeah, we get it: You don’t like Sarah Palin because Sarah has personality in spades. And we all know Republicans aren’t supposed to have personality.
BradSchwartze on December 12, 2009 at 12:33 AM
These consultants know best. These Suckers have no professional integrity. Ask John McCain.
I will never support anyone who has any Of these lepers working for them.
Dear Lepers,
I don’t give an rats behind what you think. You might not know – Your career is being aborted.
antisocial on December 12, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Perhaps she was also nervous when that slime-ball Biden cleaned her clock in her only debate.
Dude. Sarah won the debate against Biden the moment she asked him “Can I call you Joe?” Everything else about that debate was irrelevant.
BradSchwartze on December 12, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Those civilians can plainly see when a candidate can’t name one SCOTUS case though.
I’ll say again that I care more about the overall small government philosophy than useless wonking, but I am not a civilian.
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Poll numbers change. Nothing is static. If Sarah Palin keeps doing what she has been doing, writing op-eds in WaPo and WSJ on the issues of the day, and campaigns for candidates in 2010 that end up winning, her credibility will continue to rise. You over estimate the value of incumbency in the current environment. Not holding office could turn out to be an advantage. You underestimate character. The more that people feel they trust her to be herself and be straight with them, it makes the “seasoning” irrelevant. A whole lot of people right now think the “seasoning” is the problem we have in our government. These long timers are too damn pickled in the Beltway juice.
Anyway, there are many ways this can go, not just the old path. These are unusual times.
Brian1972 on December 12, 2009 at 12:40 AM
It was her first big debate, and Sheriff Joe killed her for 2/3 of it. She was reciting prepared statements and not reacting. When a politician spouts lie after lie, some must be challenged with specificity. She was not capable that evening. Watch that debate again with fresh and objective eyes. Then go watch the McCain/Obama debates. McCain sucked too.
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 12:43 AM
Civilians don’t read op-eds for the most part. Please stop thinking that swing voters think like you do.
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 12:45 AM
You get it!!! WoW. Where else did we hear that joke BS? Those swing voters are scared now that they realize they will have to shell out more for health insurance :-) Swing voters never matter as much as base. For any party.
If she decides to run for office we will sort that out in primaries.
antisocial on December 12, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Swing voters waking up to the reality of Che Obamanomics =/= Palin viability in 2012.
Be patient my friend. Palin has lots of time, and she very well may be Prez, but likely not in 2012.
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 12:52 AM
You keep referring to “swing voters”. Why do you think they are called that? They SWING. Never say never. That’s all I’m saying. Your certainty seems premature to me, is all. It’s not that you aren’t being reasonable, because you are.
I wouldn’t rule out 2012 for Palin right now, let’s see the landscape after the 2010 midterms are over and done. We might be rid of Queen Nancy, and the “swing voters” could be swinging Palin’s direction by then. To say this is impossible just strikes me as wrong.
Brian1972 on December 12, 2009 at 1:05 AM
YOU don’t get it. Polls change. That’s why they’re, you know, taken every so often.
ddrintn on December 12, 2009 at 1:19 AM
Swing voters waking up to Obama =/= equal to GOP victory in 2012, period, in that case. Romney? Huckabee? Both of those may attract swing voters, but only Huckabee has any shot at the base. No matter what “gravitas” Mitt has, he’ll be McCain 2 in stimulating enthusiasm in core GOP voters. Get out more.
ddrintn on December 12, 2009 at 1:22 AM
* scratch the redundant “equal to”. LOL
ddrintn on December 12, 2009 at 1:22 AM
Civilians take in rubbish like the MSM, Jon Stewart and other moron media. Swingers don’t read HotAir.
Palin will have to make it perfectly obvious that she’s ready for the highest office in the world. Facebook won’t cut it. The ghostwritten book [SOP for pols] won’t do it either.
The public wants to see Palin in government for more time. I can’t stand government, and would rather see her start something like a successful new media company, but the civilians don’t agree with me. Civilians want more government experience plus better interviews.
And yes, I know a good portion of the bad interview moments Palin had was unfair, but then again, perception is reality in politics.
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 1:33 AM
Yes, swingers waking up to the horror of Che Obama =/= GOP victory. Can we stop with the straw men?
Palin ain’t it in 2012, no matter how strong some conservative emotions may be.
We have time to figure out who can beat a very beatable Obama in 2012. We must rid ourselves of this cancer.
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 1:38 AM
Well, Niccole Wallace and Steve Schmidt did such a MASTERFUL job with the McCain campaign, we should of course listen to them now! /sarc
JustTruth101 on December 12, 2009 at 1:45 AM
Yeah, right, troll.
atheling on December 12, 2009 at 2:36 AM
Nothing personal, but when I read nonsense like this I go into a blind rage!
Lets see, the Senate is nothing more than a glorified debate society, granted, one whose debates have the ability to destroy all of mankind, but still…..
In our nation’s 233 year history even the best political observer would be able to name more than a handful of congresscritters that are memorable, or made a difference.
You are just one of 100 or one of 435. You are meaningless.
On the other hand, Palin was a CEO of a very influential, and resource rich state. That’s more “gravitas” than most presidents will come to the party with, even other governors.
Before that, she was the chief oil and gas regulator in a state that lives and dies with the industry.
She was the chief executive of a city. Yup, it was a small one, but she grew the hell out of it using strong conservative principles.
How or why anyone, especially anyone who actually was born in the last 50-75 years, and has actually lived in America, and is not some sort of mental patient, thinks having “Congress” on your resume is a plus is beyond me.
There’s a reason what there was 50 years between Obama and the last idiot Senator that we elected. We are seeing that reason splashed before us on a daily basis.
Governors are leaders, Congresscritters are, with only very few exceptions, followers.
The real problem is even though someone may show up as a leader, the very nature of the thing turns you into saying stupid stuff like “I’d like to address the Honorable Gentleman from Massachusetts” when referring to Barney Frank!
Oy!
Sarah is fine. She’s just fine.
gary4205 on December 12, 2009 at 3:27 AM
Where did you get this piece of B.S. information??
Even elite insiders know that a Romney/Huckabee ticket would never fly. They don’t get along well with each other and absolutely despise one another. Moreover, such a ticket wouldn’t fly with the voters either.
Besides, Romney is too smart to let a Governor who allowed convicted felons to roam the streets again to be his running mate.
And that’s supposed to be a selling point for how “cool” Sarah Palin is!?
The reason why Mitt or Thune suit isn’t up for sale is because no man would spend that amount of money just for clothing like that, even if a celebrity or politician wore it.
He compromised his principles a few times. I’ll give you just one example: Ronald Reagan supported abortion and then opposed it.
Conservative Samizdat on December 12, 2009 at 4:21 AM
I think we can safely eliminate ALL of the losers who lost to the loser, McCain. We desperately need someone like ‘Palin’ if not Palin. SP represents the anti Obama and if this country is not convinced by 2012 that we need CHANGE, REAL CHANGE, we are pretty much screwed. Game over.
DanaSmiles on December 12, 2009 at 7:19 AM
+1000
DanaSmiles on December 12, 2009 at 7:23 AM
hune, Mitt they have yet to walk the burning path of destruction the MSM will make for them.
unseen on December 11, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Mitt already got a taste of it with the constant SRM’s harping on his Mormon faith. Expect more of the same and then some next time around.
ddrintn on December 11, 2009 at 11:29 PM
OH geee. you don’t even need to go as far as the Lame Stream Media for Mitt the Mormon Bashing.. just go through old comment threads on Hot Air.
Noelie on December 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM
You just don’t get it, or maybe you do. The beltway elites are no longer considered relevant. They have revealed themselves to be ivy league idiots, those who suffer from illusions of grandeur, smug and condescending, completely disconnected from the base, party first-country last, politics as usual-everything we, the people, are against. Now they are being used by the left to do the work of attempting to destroy any strong conservative candidate such as Sarah Palin. We are in the middle of a political revolution, and those idiots have no clue as to what is happening. Please continue to deride people such as Sarah Palin; it only makes her stronger and reveals those who would destroy her.
texanpride on December 12, 2009 at 8:04 AM
The “insiders”, congressmen and senators may well be the only members left in the GOP before long. I for one am sick to death of the elitists, RINOs and squishy “moderates” that willingly give away our freedom. Time to stand against the machine my fellow Americans. You’re either fer us or agin us. Choose.
davecatbone on December 12, 2009 at 8:36 AM
Would these be the same voters who elected Zero?
SoldiersMom on December 12, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Wonder if these idiots in the GOP still feel that way after Gov Palin PWNED William Shatner on the Tonight Show.
eaglewingz08 on December 12, 2009 at 9:05 AM
GOP is afraid to let her in the door for fear she will do the same cleaning she did to the party in Alaska.
mixplix on December 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM
No one can do a sh/t eating grin like Shuster.
Bon appetite David.
RobCon on December 12, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Do you work at GOP national headquarters? Your fear of polls and “swing voters” smells as bad as theirs.
SKYFOX on December 12, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Someone who knows what they are talking about please answer this (that means not AnninCa or Jetboy).
1. GOP insiders, like libs, evidently fear that Palin will soon be more electable than Mitt or Huck (she probably already is). Do you think they’re willing to sacrifice the next presidential election just to keep out of the running a candidate they don’t control? Seriously, would they?
2. If they would, AND if Palin can keep generating popular support (and she will), is there still anyone talking against the possibility of her running third party? I mean, what more evidence would you need to forever abandon the GOP as spiteful, irredeemable and even suicidal?
Serious questions I think we all really need to answer for ourselves one way or the other, and soon.
splink on December 12, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Awwww, they just probably know she’s never going to hire them as her campaign staff.
AnninCA on December 12, 2009 at 10:35 AM
“Poll of conservatives – it’s time for GOP “insiders” to go away.”
You got that right! These insiders have done a great job of LOSING POWER by losing touch with the people and principals that were the reason for their success in the first place. The insiders need to spend some time on the outside instead of continuing their machinations and games to maintain control of their positions.
EasyEight on December 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM
What straw men? People aren’t going to get fired up for some squish. You can scream “STRAW MAN!!!” all you want, it won’t change reality.
Without even a primary. Gosh. Let’s let toliver pick out our sure-fire candidate!!!! Yeah!!!!
OK, here’s how it will go. We “figure out” who can “beat a very beatable Obama”, and the media does as well. The media so savages that threat that loads of Nervous Nellies in the GOP toss that threat overboard in an effort to be thought of as cool and knowledgeable and not to be confused with those mouthbreathing idiots. :ather, rinse, repeat. The template has been set.
ddrintn on December 12, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Thank you unseen. It seems that basic information is a rarity nowadays. I think you are right, Palin is as close to Teflon as a politician can get.
If you DNC ops try to bring this stuff up during a general election, it can all be easily refuted with a couple of advertisements and actual FACTS. toliver, Drak-Star if this all you got, go back and try again. This is nothing but rehashed 2008 talking points that won’t play in 2012. And the quote was just pathetic. I understand. You guys need to keep up the Palin is stupid meme, but the more she gets out there and the more people she meets, well that notion just keeps falling to the wayside. By 2012, it’ll only play with the liberal crowd and that won’t matter in a 2012 election. Let me tell you why.
Liberal make up about 20-22% of the electorate. They won’t vote for her. But because they’re only 22%, they don’t matter. Conservatives make up 40% of the electorate. Most of them are in flyover country. (Coincidentally, that’s where her book tour is going to. Hmmm. Strange.) Well, if, nay, when she turns out her base that gives her 39% of the vote. That’s weird, because she’s only 15-16 percentage points away from a victory.
Hmmm. What about those crazy moderates? Well, I think most of them tended to ignore Obama’s insane past and focused on the issues at hand.
I know what this means:
As long as Palin successfully deflects your lame attempts at derailing her (and she will), and if she has a good solid conservative platform to counteract Obama’s obviously hyper-liberal stance- there’s a GOOOOOOOD chance she can pluck off 15-16% of those guys.
Ahhh. Now I fully understand why guys are afraid. Your hopenchange-n guy turned out to be a dud and you need to do everything possible to prevent a good challenger in 2012. Tell your boss it’s getting sad.
Now I’m under no illusions. If Palin runs she can not allow any of these pathetic political shots to stand. Though I believe she’ll run a better campaign then McCain did. She’ll have to find ways to short circuit the media and get directly to the people. I also understand that Obama can save his skin, but that will require him turning on his base to do so. But the more political calculus he tries to pull, the more people will get pissed and the more he’ll hurt himself. The American people have reached their breaking point. The left may love and want to be manipulated, but regular people hate it. They can tell when they are being lied to. So tell your boss, they, like Palin, aren’t as stupid as you might want to believe.
They’re trying to warn you, but you refuse to listen.
xax on December 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM
2012 is too soon w/out high office time. She’ll need foreign policy experience [in swing voter's eyes] for starters.
It would also help if she could name a SCOTUS case of significance that she has problems with. Anybody remember that fair question, and how she flunked it? Perhaps she was just nervous. Perhaps she was also nervous when that slime-ball Biden cleaned her clock in her only debate. I may blame that on the McCain debate perps…I mean preps, as she may have been programmed to not respond directly to some of the biggest lies I’ve ever heard in a debate. Ditto for McCain. Those debates made me puke because we had so many missed opportunities. It’s almost like they “threw the game”.
toliver on December 12, 2009 at 12:26 AM
Oh were to begin. First of all she can she take a world tour and maybe give a big speech in Germany or something. Seems like its enough to placate those swing voters last time
second Palin cleaned Biden’s clock in the debate. Most polls after the debate but before the MSM spin confirmed that IRT of your opinion and that is after all what it is your opinion that she lost.
Finally IRT to the SCOTUS cases. she is on record many times about cases she did not support like Kelo, Roe, and the exxon veldaz. and you do not know for sure that those cases cited did not end up on the cutting room floor in CBS.
really form reading more and more about the interview and Palin’s call for CBS to release it unedited I think CBS did a massive hit job on Palin and might have finally pulled off the “fake but accurate” story they tried to do since 2004.
This need you have for someone to show they are from a high national position is weird. Why would you want someone that is part of the problem to lead the effort to fix the problem? that makes no sense. any senator, vice president, congressperson, judge, seceratery of the caninet is part of the problem at this point and I want someone outside of the system but still able to understand how the system works. that means a governor or a CEO. The person also needs firm beliefs in the founding principles of the country, also a belief that they work for us not us for them, a humble person not an egomanic, and charasima so the person can sell their message to the people and get others to work together to further thier policies.
As of now Palin has all those plus some. no one comes close.
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM
*sigh* more wails of denial in Sarah Land — Dr. Phil and Oprah should back a show called “The Conservative Couch” that helps the Paliniacs get over it.
Bradky on December 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM
LMAO – only swing voter’s eyes?
Bradky on December 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM
1. she runs around the country in a bus with her picture painted on it to hawk books but is not an egomaniac
2. If she had the charisma you claim her polling numbers would look far better
3. What frappin policies? Life insurance? Book warranties?? she quit as governor – to make the claim that she can get others to work together to further their policies is ridiculous unless you are referring to the policy of making as much as possible from her book.
Some of the Paliniacs need a does of reality drop kicked into their gonads
Bradky on December 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM
It’s because she has charisma that her numbers are improving. As for the bus with her picture on it, meh. I don’t know if she sprayed it on or was her idea, do you?
ddrintn on December 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM
It was a professionally done job and whether she did it or not is not the point. She approved it by using the bus – she could have said “no way that’s not my style” but apparently enjoys the rock star status.
You were a little slow getting to the thread to defend her. Hangover?
Bradky on December 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM
No, just real life. I don’t patrol the threads 24/7, and anyway if she’s as much a flop as you seem to think, it’ll become apparent soon enough without your snarks.
ddrintn on December 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Interesting to note for all the naysaying – while Obama’s numbers have tanked the worst for any president EVAH, he now stands at a minus sixteen passion index – Palin’s numbers are climbing at almost the same rate. (ras)
Unelectable? Feh. Anybody spouting that is proving that the wish is father to the thought, nothing more.
Carolina Kat on December 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM
It’s time to make some GOP “insiders” GOP “outsiders”
DaMav on December 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM
POLL of Grassroots Conservatives to GOP insiders: STFD and STFU or GTFO!
mrpeabody on December 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM
I watched the clip of her on the tonight show with Bill Shatner. When she came out the audience gasp and applauded loudly. This is in Liberalistan the 2nite show province. She WOWed the crowd and they loved her. It was like watching Reagan on the Dean Martin show. The audience reacted the same way.
I think she’s unstoppable. Spock is going to have to step aside in 2012 and give the help to Mrs. Cpt Kirk.
Mojave Mark on December 12, 2009 at 12:32 PM
It is time for the beltway insiders to go.
Slowburn on December 12, 2009 at 12:37 PM
You betcha!
atheling on December 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM
1. she runs around the country in a bus with her picture painted on it to hawk books but is not an egomaniac
LOL… that is called being a salesman for your book. since your books is about you you have to promote yourself to sell books. Her speeches do not contain the word I 75 times like Obama who makes EVERYTHING about him. When asked why the support Palin states its not her it the message. That is in no way an egomaniac. LOL that the best you got? a bus painted by her publisher to promote her book so they can sell more books? that’s it…ha…ha…ha
2. If she had the charisma you claim her polling numbers would look far better
You are proving to be an idiot. Do you even know what the word means?
charisma: a.A rare personal quality attributed to leaders who arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm.
You laugh at the Palinistias on one hand yet refuse to acknowledge that because she has such fervent support she has charisma. Charisma is not a popular contest or poll number. It is the ability to arouse support in their followers. Please before posting understand what words mean.
3. What frappin policies? Life insurance? Book warranties?? she quit as governor – to make the claim that she can get others to work together to further their policies is ridiculous unless you are referring to the policy of making as much as possible from her book.
Hmmm three points in one. getting tired? Just BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW HER POLICIES DOES NOT MEAN SHE HAS NONE> Read her book, listen to her speeches her interviews she has numerous policies on numerous subjects. The fact that you state she has no policies shows your lack of knowledge on Palin and questions if you are even knowledgeable enough to even be discussing her.
The second point that she resigned has gov like John huntsman, Obama, Hillary Kathren Selibus among others to presue other emplyment, to carry her message in a different way is by now old news to everyone. She explained it fine to mine and others satisfaction. Since you dislike her you can not and will not except her reasons therefore it shows you have either an axe to grind or a closed mind.
the third point is most of her major bills passed in AK had broad bipartisan support most times with only one or two voting no on it. that means she was able to get both reps and dems to agree on most of her agends. A remarkable feat for any political leader.
unseen on December 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Notice how Palin’s numbers have skyrocketed since she’s been speaking unfiltered? The spinning left media can’t contain her on a nationwide tour with a book full of unspun facts. Granted, she wasn’t ready last year. Even though she crushed Biden in the debates (media didn’t mention ONE of Bidens 15 whoppers that night), she just wasn’t ready. This book tour will advance her media “readiness” like a crash course. She’ll be ready, compelling, better-understood, and well-funded in 2012. There’s no way Obama stands up to her in a debate. She has WAY too much ammo for the Liar-in-Chief to handle.
marklmail on December 12, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Conservatives are very fortunate that Obama’s political operatives forced Palin from office and that she resigned in July rather than next spring. Imagine what Palin would have missed if she was still hunkered down in her foxhole in Juneau absorbing one ethics complaint after another for the last 5 months.
And whoever decided to move the launching of Going Rogue to November from spring 2010 (probably a joint decision between Palin and Harper-Collins)orchestrated a brilliant move. Clearly Palin would not have been able to take as much advantage of the growing resentment to Obama over Obamacare and cap-and-trade as she did by travelling the lower 48 in the last 3 weeks if she still had a job as the governor of Alaska, and would not have been able to take full advantage of Huckabee’s Clemmons’ problem if she had not offered upfront a second option for Huckabee supporters.
With this in mind, one theme that constantly comes up on threads of right-wing blogs is how the mainstream media, liberal elites and political pundits gave us McCain and the vow not to let it happen again. Conservatives, Palin has clearly shown you that the the intelligentsia and the Beltway will not dictate that the RINO’s will prevail again in 2012. If you reject a Reagan conservative like Sarah Palin, you have no right IMHO to claim that the media chose the GOP candidate again.
technopeasant on December 12, 2009 at 2:15 PM
marklmail on December 12, 2009 at 2:08 PM
I agree and disagree. Palin was ready to assume the VP duties as prescribed by McCain and she would have done a wonderful job. Over the course of the first two years as VP she would have gained sufficient knowledge to be POTUS IMHO.
Those two years that I refer to are now going to played out in a different venue-the lead-up to the 2010 midterms, the midterms themselves, the lead-up to the primaries including the debates and finally the primaries starting in Jan 2012.
When it is all said and done by the primary season Sarah Palin will be fully qualified to be POTUS, if not sooner.
technopeasant on December 12, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Right because polls are totally indicative of reality and should be considered the gospel truth and never, I mean NEVER are prone to manipulation by pollsters or change based on circumstances.
BTW… do you not understand that any conservative will be painted by the media and the left as being an unelectable joke?
It’s not fair, but it’s reality. Do we let them decide for us who to pick for our candidate based on how little or how much they mock?
powerpro on December 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM
I think we can safely eliminate ALL of the losers who lost to the loser, McCain. We desperately need someone like ‘Palin’ if not Palin.
DanaSmiles on December 12, 2009 at 7:19 AM
By your logic, if we should “safely eliminate ALL of the losers who lost to the loser, McCain,” why shouldn’t we eliminate Palin…who was the loser’s running mate?
Even though Palin was on his ticket, Palin wasn’t enough to defeat Obama.
Hence, I don’t buy the logic that just because someone ran in 2008 doesn’t mean that can’t run in 2012. Let Rudy, Thompson, Mitt, and Palin run in 2012.
I don’t care. May the best man or woman win the Presidential nomination in 2012.
The only people who are forbidden to run in 2012 are McCain and Huckabee. They should be permanently banned from running in any Presidential election.
Conservative Samizdat on December 12, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Here’s the short answer: Right now, Palin’s approval numbers are close to 80% among conservatives and Republicans. She can win in Iowa, finish second to Romney in NH, win in SC and NV. Huckabee runs of out of money, throws his support to Sarah. Then, under the Ohio Plan, Sarah’s base turns out when the supposed liberal states vote and by the time the process rolls forward to Romney’s supposed power, he’ll be dead.
Once Palin wins the nomination, then she can move to attracting more liberals and middles.
You can’t win if you don’t get on the field.
JimAK on December 12, 2009 at 2:55 PM
The same GOP leaders backed McCain in selecting Gov. Palin 18 months ago.
File this in the who cares file.
Right now the GOP is polling lower than the mythical Tea Party, so me thinks these inside guys are just frustrated to be selling buggy whips.
Angry Dumbo on December 12, 2009 at 3:34 PM
The losers in this game ARE the insiders, and they should be.
Nobody is kidding themselves on their real record.
AnninCA on December 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM
What was Palin’s college GPA again?
voxpopuli on December 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Good gravy. Obama is the ONLY Harvard Review editor who did not contribute.
Even my son has a better resume than he does.
AnninCA on December 12, 2009 at 3:58 PM
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