Poll of GOP “insiders”: It’s time for Palin to go away

posted at 6:54 pm on December 11, 2009 by Allahpundit

Given the conventional wisdom that “elitist” derision towards her only makes her supporters support her more adamantly, you’d think savvy Beltway consultants who don’t like her would keep that fact to themselves. And yet. Here’s their answer to the question, “Which voice in your party would you most like to mute?”

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That’s among “political” insiders, i.e. consultants. Among senators and congressmen polled, she finished second behind “no one,” tied with Michele Bachmann and Glenn Beck, among others. These insiders are the same people, mind you, who earlier this year voted her seventh among Republican governors with the brightest political future (Mark Sanford was fifth). No wonder she enjoys jabbing them with threats about going third-party.

Speaking of insiders antipathetic to Palin, the results of the David Plouffe book challenge are finally in. No surprises there either. Exit question: Now that the book tour’s over and the last of the big media interviews are done, what can she do to get these lines to flip?

Update: Via Greg Hengler, her admirers on the left continue to express their “admiration.”


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GOP insiders…soon to join mastadons and Whigs on the list of the extinct. No dough, no votes for the GOP.

james23 on December 12, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Sarah is a breath of fresh air and I don’t care what HOT AIR says. Also who gives a pinch of shit what GOP INSIDERS have to say? They certainly know how to send out money solicitations, but lately they have been getting back their solicitations with no money. I just write “STOP SPENDING OUR MONEY ON STUPID SHIT.” (or) “GO FIND YOUR PRINCIPALS AND MAYBE I’LL START SENDING MONEY”.

psychocyber on December 12, 2009 at 4:26 PM

And I should care about what these insiders think because….? Oh please. Go do your laundry or something constructive. This is bull-crap plain and simple.

redwhiteblue on December 12, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Insiders want to avoid another Bush… a politician with inferior knowledge and ability who will ultimately do damage to the Republican Party and only further isolate it from independents.There are many smart and experienced Republicans on the national state. Palin is nothing more than salt like for the right wing and born agains, but has no hope of growing the party or winning a national office. Time to MOVE ON!

bayam on December 12, 2009 at 5:04 PM

There are many smart and experienced Republicans
on the national state.

And just how many of those aren’t RINO’s?

The conservative crowd is down to picking Palin, as dubious a canidate as she might be, because right now its either her or another slick-talking skunk who’ll sell them up the river the moment he gets into office.

Dark-Star on December 12, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Palin is a uniter…not because she compromises her ideals to get things done (that people don’t want gotten done)…but because she stands for something real and she compels others to understand the principles she lives and governs by.

THAT’S Palin’s real draw…that she’s not divisive at all except to the media puppetmasters who deign her to be so.

powerpro on December 11, 2009 at 8:19 PM

good comment, in a thread full of good comments.

I want to unite the right of center to defeat the Obama crowd, too, but we don’t succeed by splitting the difference between freedom and socialism. Reagan’s example v. Carter shows that we win by boiling down the common sense, pro-America message to its essence, and picking a spokesman who can go around the AgitProp Media to communicate that message to the peeps. Palin is on message, connects with people and has shown over and over again that she can get thru and around the Media filter. No one else comes close. Go away, “insiders.”

james23 on December 12, 2009 at 5:47 PM

The GOP needs a strong message from Republican moderates and that is, either you change with the base of our party or ask Arlen how he did it. If you think your minority base is going to push a majority around it seems the Democratic Party would be the most advantageous dispatch.

We need names here. These moderates are hijacking our party, coming into our living rooms, helping themselves to the fridge and stinkin up the joint. I’m done and these folks have got to go so let’s see names please.

Tangerinesong on December 12, 2009 at 7:44 PM

From the performance of these GOP “insiders”, they need to be muted or go away. The problem being that they are jaded and are lacking the edge and provide no leadership.

Being an “insider” is about 90% of the problem here. No fresh views and no incentive to challenge the Socialists that are destroying the Nation. They have cut too many deals with the enemy and are no longer bound to Conservative Principles or responsive to Voters.

old trooper2 on December 12, 2009 at 9:18 PM

I can care less what the beltway boys think…we, conservatives, are tired of Nelsonite republicans and their left leaning…they need to go up with the democraps where they are better suited…elected republicans need to wise up as well!

FloridaMike on December 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Ten bucks a ticket is all they could get? That speaks volumes. It really is driving them crazy.

bloggless on December 12, 2009 at 10:02 PM

I think I might be a GOP insider. Michael Steele keeps sending me special surveys and polls so that I can help the party decide what is important. Those letters mean the world to me. I am such an insider and confidante that Michael is not at all embarrassed to ask me for some money. I feel special. Really, I do.

bloggless on December 12, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Behind the noisy mouths are real puppetmasters.

And the puppetmasters are truly annoyed by Sarah Palin, because she has no strings.

desertdweller on December 12, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Reading the list of so-called insiders, someone needs to tell them to go away. The voting public doesn’t pay any attention to them, in fact, they are the people ruining good people who go to Washington with the best intentions,

lonestar1 on December 13, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Though I believe she’ll run a better campaign then McCain did. She’ll have to find ways to short circuit the media and get directly to the people.

xax on December 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Uh, why do you think she’s using Facebook and wrote a memoir?

atheling on December 13, 2009 at 2:05 AM

Palin/Bachman 2012!!

let’s roll!!

greataunty on December 13, 2009 at 4:27 AM

At this point, a cut out of Obama would be better than Obama himself. It doesn’t say anything, it doesn’t do anything and thus it can’t screw up.

Or, maybe, they should put a name tag on Obama, with ‘beginner’ under his name, so people will cut him a break.

thgrant on December 13, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Or, maybe, they should put a name tag on Obama, with ‘beginner’ under his name, so people will cut him a break.

thgrant on December 13, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Obama still has his “training wheels” on. The White House is no place for OJT. Leadership of the Free World is not an entry level or apprenticeship position in times of War and Economic Crisis. He is in way over his head on both Domestic and Foreign Policy and takes the counsel of Fools. The American Voters made a very poor choice and it will take generations to undo the harm of that choice.

old trooper2 on December 13, 2009 at 10:18 AM

The GOP has about six months to figure out how to win in 2010. They can probably pull that off.

They have about a year to figure out how to win in 2012, and there is no candidate on the national stage who can–or should–win. Palin is a great gadfly, but she is never going to overcome the rage on the left and the worry on the right. Romney, Gingrich, Huckabee, et al are AWFUL candidates with serious flaws.

The GOP better find a way to talk Mitch Daniels into running in 2012, or it’s Welcome Back Carter II for four mores years. Bad as he is, he will beat any of the GOP recyclables. In many ways it would be fun to watch Palin duke it out with Obama, but she would be eviscerated by the insiders of both parties, as this poll suggests.

Stir it up, Sarah, but step back from the ledge of candidacy.

PD Quig on December 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Of course they want her to go away. Palin supporters want THEM to go away.

Want to lay bets as to who wins this fight? Look at her record in AK.

Chris of Rights on December 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Insiders … yeah they are insiders the way that Termites are invited Guests into the structure of your house. They are busy working, re-aranging the fibers in the Poles of the Republican tent. They proclaim a “bigger tent” not because they want more people, rather they need more Poles to chew on.

Palin and other conservatives are the exterminators, removing a pestilence from the party. Let the termites go back to the middle of the liberal woods, so they can do thier damage to dead wood no one cares much for.

Exterminate, baby, Exterminate.

Cromagnum on December 13, 2009 at 11:54 AM

GOP insiders, Democrats, and Idealogues…We’re coming for you and taking no prisoners.

Nalea on December 13, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Stir it up, Sarah, but step back from the ledge of candidacy.

PD Quig on December 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Then be prepared for Carter II. There’s no one else in the GOP who can defeat Obama. You’ve missed the boat.

atheling on December 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM

The GOP has about six months to figure out how to win in 2010. They can probably pull that off.

They have about a year to figure out how to win in 2012

PD Quig on December 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM

That’s why I’m tired of the debates about who will be the GOP Presidential nominee in 2012.

Right now, at this moment, we have more important things to worry about…like stopping Obama and that can be done in 2010.

We need to focus on finding and supporting the non-RINO, non-progressive Republicans and defeating the democrats like Pelosi and Reid.

Either we just sit around and complain about Obama or we do something about it by getting the right people in Congress in 2010.

2012 isn’t where we make our stand against Obama. 2010 is.

Leadership of the Free World is not an entry level or apprenticeship position in times of War and Economic Crisis. He is in way over his head on both Domestic and Foreign Policy and takes the counsel of Fools. The American Voters made a very poor choice and it will take generations to undo the harm of that choice.

old trooper2 on December 13, 2009 at 10:18 AM

If we don’t get the right people in Congress and prevent the complete Democratic control of our government in 2010, then the economy will be very terrible in 2012.

I like Sarah Palin but I seriously question her ability to deal with foreign policy and economic issues…especially IF things continue to get progressively worse both in terms of foreign policy and economics.

Sarah Palin is strong but may not be strong enough to handle the challenges that will come in 2012.

Hence, I’m keeping an open mind for 2012. Maybe Mitt Romney is our guy for 2012. Maybe he isn’t. Maybe its Sarah Palin. Maybe it isn’t. Maybe its Pawlenty. Maybe not.

But for right now, lets focus on 2010.

Conservative Samizdat on December 13, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Timie for a third party then and she can run that. Anyone from either side can vote for her. That should force the GOP to wake the hell up. She also needs to start some kind of organized effort for herself instead of popping up like a figgin whack-a-mole or she’ll go down the tubes.

johnnyU on December 13, 2009 at 8:51 PM

She also needs to start some kind of organized effort for herself instead of popping up like a figgin whack-a-mole or she’ll go down the tubes.

johnnyU on December 13, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Why? She’s not a candidate and even if she were there isn’t a presidential election for quite a while yet.

ddrintn on December 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM

That’s among “political” insiders, i.e. consultants…and other inside the beltway elitist belly gazer types.

Q: Who is the most creative thinker in your party?
Republicans
Political Insiders

1. Newt Gingrich 53%
2. No one 5%

The power ticket that will unite the GOP, I’ve been saying all along. Palin/Newt 2012

mike_NC9 on December 13, 2009 at 9:31 PM

By “insiders” I assume you mean people who have their head up or inside their ass.

That is what it means to me.

jarhead0311 on December 14, 2009 at 12:54 AM

She also needs to start some kind of organized effort for herself instead of popping up like a figgin whack-a-mole or she’ll go down the tubes.

johnnyU on December 13, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Personally, I think she would be better for her if she took Steele’s job as President of the RNC and helped motivate the GOP base and steer the party back to its conservative roots.

I’m still not convinced she has what it takes to be POTUS.

Conservative Samizdat on December 14, 2009 at 1:35 AM

By definition, insiders mean the Beltway Ruling class. I care only what they think enough to determine which way to go to be opposite. America would be well served if we would fire them all and start over – with term limits and mandatory jail sentences for illegal activity while in office. Then start on that Supreme Court which thinks your property is fair game to tax and take and babies should be murdered by our medical class. After that, set up an ironclad voting system with mandatory jail terms for voter fraud (ACORN). Change the 1st amendment to allow lawsuits against the media when they openly create lies or fraud. Voting tests for minimum understanding of civics and economics might be a good thing, unless we wish to be always controlled by the elites or the idiocy of the man on the street to prevail over our freedom. Perfect? No! But, it’s a start.

Don L on December 14, 2009 at 5:32 AM

Change the 1st amendment to allow lawsuits against the media when they openly create lies or fraud.

Then you have destroyed the first amendment because any twit with an agenda will sue just as the ACLU does nuisance suits.

Voting tests for minimum understanding of civics and economics might be a good thing, unless we wish to be always controlled by the elites or the idiocy of the man on the street to prevail over our freedom.

You are watching too much Jay Leno. barely 50% of eligible voters bother to vote. Who will write the test?

Bradky on December 14, 2009 at 6:18 AM

Palin and other conservatives are the exterminators, removing a pestilence from the party

How did that work out in NY23? Get real.

Why? She’s not a candidate and even if she were there isn’t a presidential election for quite a while yet.

ddrintn on December 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Perhaps if she wishes to be taken seriously by anyone outside her million member facebook fan club – you know the other 61 million plus people she would need to be elected. You know.. kind of like Reagan did for 16 years – spoke on behalf of conservatives, and finished his two terms in office in a state that was considered one of the world’s seventh largest economies.

Bradky on December 14, 2009 at 6:23 AM

Thank you for an interesting poll and comments. It was interesting to view Gov. Palin’s standing among the left, even after the Book Tour.

MSGTAS on December 14, 2009 at 9:38 AM

GOP insiders are extinct. There is an extremely fine line between being naive and incompetent. The results are always the same.

volsense on December 14, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Insiders want to avoid another Bush… a politician with inferior knowledge and ability who will ultimately do damage to the Republican Party and only further isolate it from independents.There are many smart and experienced Republicans on the national state. Palin is nothing more than salt like for the right wing and born agains, but has no hope of growing the party or winning a national office. Time to MOVE ON!

bayam on December 12, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Oh brother…the Bush has “inferior knowledge and ability” lie again…and there’s just so many other “smart” candidants out there. This particular word usage tells me you’re a dem troll and not a particularly smart one at that. BTW, you’re going to have to get over your case of Palinophobia because she’s here to stay. Whether as president or not, she will be force to be reckoned with.

starman on December 14, 2009 at 11:36 AM

I’m still not convinced she has what it takes to be POTUS.

Conservative Samizdat on December 14, 2009 at 1:35 AM

I cannot understand anyone who says this after what this country just elected a year ago. She is much more qualified than the idiot we have now. And I will never vote for Gingrich or Romney. Sara is the only one with the cojones to take on the current administration. Do you hear anything from Mitt? Gingrich is too willing to globetrot with all the lefties and reach across the aisle. I am tired of reaching across the aisle – I want someone to fight these commies and Sara is the one who will do it.

silvernana on December 14, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Whatever is left of this country when The One is finished with it will be eager for change like never before. Sarah Palin represents to many of us the best chance of reversing the liberalism and anti-Americanism that has ripped this country apart for the past seventy years. It won’t matter what the Republican “insiders” have to say–they are irrelevant.

drewas on December 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Sara is the only one with the cojones to take on the current administration.

I am tired of reaching across the aisle – I want someone to fight these commies and Sara is the one who will do it.

silvernana on December 14, 2009 at 1:00 PM

There’s a BIG difference between taking the cajones to stand-up to the Obama administration and actually governing a nation.

There are alot of people who can stand up and fight the Obama administration…Palin, Bachman, Lieberman (a democrat no less) and others like Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity. But can they do the duties of President?

There are very few people who actually have the ability and experience to govern a nation. Palin may have what it takes and maybe she doesn’t. I’m not sure at this point.

Hence, her ability to take on Obama and fight is better suited for running the RNC or having her own talk show or something like that.

Obviously, I’m Romney supporter but I’m keeping my options open for 2012…

Conservative Samizdat on December 14, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Perhaps if she wishes to be taken seriously by anyone outside her million member facebook fan club – you know the other 61 million plus people she would need to be elected.

Ohm the Democrats have always taken her VERY seriously, to name one group.

You know.. kind of like Reagan did for 16 years – spoke on behalf of conservatives, and finished his two terms in office in a state that was considered one of the world’s seventh largest economies.

Bradky on December 14, 2009 at 6:23 AM

What percentage of the voters who voted for Reagan were aware of his resume? Not that many, I’d bet. It wasn’t resume, it was presentation and ideology and charisma. As usual.

ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 6:21 PM

I’m sorry, but Palin is a disaster. We don’t need a former beauty queen lecturing the right on economic theories. We need someone who can actually get in there and get things done. Someone who actually knows how the world works and isn’t coached by political hacks to regurgitate talking points.

Californian on December 14, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Republican Insiders? Sounds kinda like the Climate Hoaxer’s “Circle of Commitment!

chickasaw42 on December 14, 2009 at 7:46 PM

I’m sorry, but Palin is a disaster. We don’t need a former beauty queen lecturing the right on economic theories. We need someone who can actually get in there and get things done. Someone who actually knows how the world works and isn’t coached by political hacks to regurgitate talking points.

I think Palin supporters divide into 2; groups men who want to be with her and women who want to be like her.

snoopicus on December 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM

It wasn’t resume, it was presentation and ideology and charisma. As usual.

ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 6:21 PM

He began speaking for Republicans in 1952 when as a Democrat he endorsed Eisenhower. He continued for 15 years and then served 8 years as Governor of a state that had the seventh largest economy in the world.

Palin quit/resigned/floated into the sky for the greater good (take your pick) after 2.5 years as governor, was mayor and her stumping has been on her book promotion tour.
I think after the disaster that Obama is proving to be voters will want someone with much more experience than Palin has to offer. 28 years versus her 13 years in the public eye leaves no comparison with Reagan. Bush, Clinton and Obama were all elected at relatively young ages. Mixed results and tactical errors for all three may make the public begin to realize once again that with age comes wisdom and decades of adult experience trumps the flavor of the day. Presentation and charisma only take a person so far. Ask Obama.

But go ahead and say “you just hate Palin and she scares you” if you like. The truth is I like more mature leadership first. And at this point she doesn’t do more than toss out a lot of bromides about less taxes and smaller government. Color me impressed when she can break an issue down like Gingrich can; analyze the components and propose a viable solution. Gingrich is just an example and not necessarily the “alternative nominee”.

Bradky on December 14, 2009 at 8:16 PM

I think Palin supporters divide into 2; groups men who want to be with her and women who want to be like her.

snoopicus on December 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Exactly!!

Conservative Samizdat on December 14, 2009 at 9:02 PM

But go ahead and say “you just hate Palin and she scares you” if you like. The truth is I like more mature leadership first.

Bradky on December 14, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Well then you would have obviously preferred George H. W. Bush in 1980. He had a far more impressive resume.

I think Palin supporters divide into 2; groups men who want to be with her and women who want to be like her.

snoopicus on December 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Exactly!!

Conservative Samizdat on December 14, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Exactly bullshit. It’s funny how her detractors point out her physical appearance more frequently than anyone else.

ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Well then you would have obviously preferred George H. W. Bush in 1980. He had a far more impressive resume.
ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Even when someone gives you a reasonable explanation you cannot stop whiffing the tailpipe long enough to think. Are you saying Palin’s resume is anywhere close to Bush or Reagan in 1980? Bush was 56 years old and Reagan was 69.
And of course Bush actually ran for the top spot in the primaries, Palin didn’t.
Like I said life experience has been missing since Clinton took office and it shows in each administration. the only person Palin matches up with is Obama – she had less experience than Bush jr and Clinton.
So more inexperience and less seasoning is the preferred choice as long as they say they are conservative?

Bradky on December 14, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Even when someone gives you a reasonable explanation you cannot stop whiffing the tailpipe long enough to think. Are you saying Palin’s resume is anywhere close to Bush or Reagan in 1980?

Bradky on December 14, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Nah, Bradky. Here’s what I’m saying. I don’t know if Palin will ever run for president. If she runs in 2012, then there’ll be a primary season. If enough people agree with you, she’ll get absolutely nowhere and we can go with Mitt or whatever other weighty resume is out there. You can campaign against her door to door if you like.

ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 11:42 PM

ddrintn on December 14, 2009 at 11:42 PM

Don’t wimp out now. For weeks you keep saying how she is the only viable candidate. Now you are being wishy washy. You keep saying resume and I say life experience along with a reasonably good resume. Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr. had the best combo of life experience and resumes in the last 60 years. Civil rights legislation – Johnson, China opening and tough on Soviets – Nixon, Reagan – free market and ended soviet dominance, Bush Sr. – Kept Russian lines open to assist them in their dismantlement.
Less life experience – Kennedy – Bay of Pigs, almost got us into a nuke exchange
Carter – where to start?
Clinton – personal challenges prevented overhaul of social security with Gingrich (deal was agreed to and then Lewinsky scandal broke)
Bush Jr – Couldn’t put together a decent PR team to manage expectations worth squat, Iraq taken on poorly
Obama – beginning to look a lot like Carter

And you want to roll the dice on inexperience for 200 ddrintn?

Bradky on December 14, 2009 at 11:52 PM

And you want to roll the dice on inexperience for 200 ddrintn?

Bradky on December 14, 2009 at 11:52 PM

As a follow up question, after four years of Obama, an inexperienced President…would the American people like to roll the dice a second time by having another inexperienced candidate like Palin in the White House again?

After suffering through four years of Obama, I don’t think the American people will want another inexperienced person near the White House for a long time…

Conservative Samizdat on December 15, 2009 at 12:22 AM

I think these ‘insiders’ are out-of-touch with the pulse of the republic and will soon become ‘outsiders.’

zoyclem on December 15, 2009 at 7:47 AM

These are the guys who gave us Dole in ’96 and McCain in ’06? Good riddence to the liberal 5th column in the party.

olesparkie on December 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM

For weeks you keep saying how she is the only viable candidate. Now you are being wishy washy.

Belated, but what I’ve said is that if Palin can’t beat Obama, it’s for damn sure that neither Mitt nor Huck can either. If that means she’s the “only viable candidate”, then so be it.

You keep saying resume and I say life experience along with a reasonably good resume. Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr. had the best combo of life experience and resumes in the last 60 years.

Bradky on December 14, 2009 at 11:52 PM

Politically, Reagan’s resume couldn’t come close to Johnson, Nixon or Bush Sr. Those three were pretty lousy presidents as well. So much for judgement-by-resume.

ddrintn on December 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM

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