Did yesterday’s Nobel speech announce the “Obama doctrine”?
posted at 3:19 pm on December 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
Tapper says yes. I say “Huh?”
With that in mind, he made clear his guiding principles:
1) that the US must hold itself to a higher code of conduct, hence his invocation of his ban on torture and his order of the closure of the detainee center at Guantanamo Bay;
2) that the international community, if it is truly serious about trying to avoid war, must fully engage tough diplomacy against rogue nations such as North Korea and Iran that would keep crises surrounding those nations from becoming wars;
3) that the world must engage with governments of ill-repute, and try to bring them back into the fold; and
4) that a nation’s hostility towards human rights and economic injustice cannot be allowed to thrive, for those conditions lead to war in the long term.
I’ll concede number three, but only with the reminder that Hamas is the de facto sovereign government in Gaza and The One refuses to chat with them lest he alienate pro-Israel Democrats. As for the rest of it, in what way do any of these principles amount to a concrete “doctrine” that would let us predict how Obama will address concrete foreign policy problems? (No wonder Angelina Jolie’s confused about his Darfur policy.) Re-read the speech. Sometimes war is necessary but we must always be open to diplomacy, and multilateral action is best although unilateral action may also be warranted, and we should strive towards our moral ideals while also defending our national interests. That’s vintage Obama, refusing to commit to any position unless and until he absolutely has to. Which is fine by me — why should he tie his own hands as C-in-C? — but a “doctrine” it isn’t.
In fact, let’s take Tapper’s points in turn:
1) Yes, The One wants America to hold itself to a higher standard of conduct — but higher than what? Higher than Bush’s standard, clearly, but not all that high in the abstract. This is, after all, a guy who’s developed a two-tiered legal system for Gitmo jihadis that will let him conduct show trials that serve him politically. And he also had the stones to stand up earlier this year in front of the Constitution (literally) and lecture Bush and Cheney on American ideals before announcing that some terrorists in U.S. custody would continue to be detained indefinitely without trial. And needless to say, neither Bush nor Cheney ever claimed that America shouldn’t hold itself to a higher standard of conduct than the enemy. If they had, KSM would have gotten a lot worse than waterboarding from the CIA.
2) This is a call for other countries to do more, not an indication of what Obama himself might or can do. What would it mean in concrete terms? That if some rogue actor does something provocative, Obama will run to Russia and China and say, “Now is the time for you to avert regional war by fully engaging in tough diplomacy?” That’s not a policy; that’s a way of giving historically unreliable powers undue influence over your own options.
3) Again, I’ll concede this as a bedrock of The One’s approach, but it’s more a historical default than something that’s distinctive to him. Reagan dealt with the Soviets, Nixon went to China, etc etc. It’d be more accurate to say that he’s repudiating the Bush doctrine than fashioning something new, although of course even Bush pursued six-party talks with North Korea and ultimately allowed the State Department to meet informally with Iran. If there’s anything unique to Obama’s approach, it’s that he’ll meet with literally any sovereign regime, no matter how small or scummy. Except, of course, Hamas.
4) This one confuses me the most as it would conceivably justify any approach. Reaching out to a rogue regime like Sudan or Myanmar could reduce their hostility to human rights by earning some goodwill concessions. But isolating a rogue regime like Iran with sanctions could reduce their hostility to human rights by pressuring them economically until they say uncle. The One himself put it this way yesterday: “There’s no simple formula here. But we must try as best we can to balance isolation and engagement, pressure and incentives, so that human rights and dignity are advanced over time.” Thanks for the tip, Yoda. Again, aside from its contrast with the Bush doctrine of Dubya’s first term, in what way does this give us any real insight into Obama’s approach?
Exit question: Isn’t this the real “Obama doctrine”? Step one: Diplomacy. Step two: International sanctions, or unilateral ones if absolutely necessary. Step three: Repeat as necessary.









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Obama Doctrine: Bring America to Her Knees
LibTired on December 11, 2009 at 3:22 PM
One speech, which was surprisingly good (only because the bar’s so low) does not make a doctrine. Especially when almost all the actions leading up to that speech went counter to its theme.
BadgerHawk on December 11, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Tapper isn’t Krauthammer, though he wants to be.
lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Here is the Obama Doctrine as I know it: lie about everything. Hide your past from all except Alinsky and the Rev. and Ayers. Hide your Muslim religion. And lie about being born in American. Is that close enough?
Cinday Blackburn on December 11, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Geez. It was just one single speech. He probably doesn’t even remember what he read yesterday.
Devrbd on December 11, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Step 1: Diplomacy
Step 2: Dither
Step 3: ???
Step 4:
Profit!Deficit!BadgerHawk on December 11, 2009 at 3:25 PM
You don’t need a speech to define the Obama doctrine, you only need a word: Present.
This speech is just another product with an expiration date. The beauty, however, of referencing a speech as the way-marker of the administration is that you can get Kerry to be for it before he was against it.
Spirit of 1776 on December 11, 2009 at 3:25 PM
The problem with Obama’s international policy, even if you are extremely charitable and give him credit for having one, is that he approaches the world as a giant community to be organized. In short, he sees himself as the Secretary-General of the UN — which really would be a great and relatively harmless job for him. He has no guiding principles, although I admit Tapper really went the extra mile trying to codify some coherent set. All he wants is the chance to look important and hope the world doesn’t blow up on his watch because that would make him look bad.
jwolf on December 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Obama Doctrine: “Fist America”!
PappaMac on December 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM
The Obama doctrine:
Creeping socialism at home; appeasement abroad.
cool breeze on December 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM
+ 1 trillion
(please see China to collect)
darwin on December 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM
How can this be? Hello???? Iran this past summer?
BPD on December 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Yeah this Obama as Neo-Con meme they’re trying to sell. I don’t buy it thanks.
Sharr on December 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Anybody who would hear that speech and even try to derive a doctrine from it is a niwit.
Mark1971 on December 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM
No doubt, Mr President Fist.
Firebird on December 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM
I not sure what the “Obama Doctrine” is all about, but I know it’s historic and unprecedented!
FreakyBoy on December 11, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Nothing in Obama’s actions shows any consistent application of doctrine. And our Iran policy doesn’t seem to meet Obama’s standards, does it?
hawksruleva on December 11, 2009 at 3:29 PM
I always thought the Obama doctrine was:
Step one: Reflect upon how the issue relates to Obama personally.
Step two: Blame Bush
trubble on December 11, 2009 at 3:29 PM
I can’t take the lie anymore that Obama has repeated so often and now Jake Tapper, Obama did not end waterboarding (torture as they term it), BUSH DID! SHeesh!
JAM on December 11, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Which Doctrine is that,Charlie?
portlandon on December 11, 2009 at 3:30 PM
It would seem that history shows #3 to be try to buy them off, over and over and over….
Tom
marinetbryant on December 11, 2009 at 3:31 PM
That’s really pretty accurate. You could add step 3: dis the British.
jwolf on December 11, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Step 1a or 2a. Give a flowering speech and then go back to bankrupting the US.
davek70 on December 11, 2009 at 3:31 PM
:-)
yubley on December 11, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Obama’s doctrine is “Incompetence”
search4truth on December 11, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Hey, I bet Charlie Gibson could tell you…
d1carter on December 11, 2009 at 3:31 PM
The Obama doctrine was an official announcement of defeat, and an announced schedule of withdrawal of troops from the battle field.
Skandia Recluse on December 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM
He says one thing,but does the total opposite when it suits him(Honduras?).If we had a free press worth anything,he wouldve been called out on that multiple times by now.
theTarCzar on December 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Anticipatory Self-Defeat
BPD on December 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM
And human rights? Give me a break. He never spoke out about HR in China while there. Didn’t meet w/the Dalai Lama and didn’t support the Iranians protesting their rigged elections. So how is he supporting human rights exactly? He might passively do so, but he couldn’t even bring himself to talk about it in China. He isn’t courageous enough.
JAM on December 11, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Obama Doctrine — Own Goal
BPD on December 11, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Charlie response: “I don’t know anything about that”
davek70 on December 11, 2009 at 3:34 PM
I prefer the Palin Doctrine
nyrofan on December 11, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Just what the hell is “economic injustice”? That’s a phrase that’s a phrase that could be uttered only by someone who hasn’t the slightest clue about economics.
Economics has nothing to do with justice, it’s about allocating resources.
pugwriter on December 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM
It would only be a doctrine if Obama was pledged to anything he said. I don’t believe it. I think his sinking poll numbers have caused him to veer. His managers told him to lay off the “blame America” theme and he’s doing so, but only for political reasons.
PackerBronco on December 11, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Obama Doctrine….read pretty speeches, full of truisms and platitudes, off of teleprompters.
Fighton03 on December 11, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Blowing smoke stalling for time.
Itchee Dryback on December 11, 2009 at 3:40 PM
“Economic justice”….uh oh.
Bishop on December 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM
For a writer, I sometimes really suck at proofreading.
pugwriter on December 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM
I wonder if Biden could explain the “Obama Doctrine”?
Fighton03 on December 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Obligatory threadjack. Meet the new conservative hero of the month: Steven Choi!
http://www.ocregister.com/news/choi-222848-irvine-council.html#article-photos
Remember, whorebag Pelosi compared Teapartiers to Nazis last summer. For added mindblower, the article also appeared in Friscogate paper, and the comments were supportive of Mr. Choi!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/scavenger/detail?entry_id=53286&o=2>a=commentslistpos#commentslistpos
Apologetic California on December 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM
I thought that’s what the C.I.A. is for?
The President gets what his intelligence agency is for right?
Dr Evil on December 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM
If you really want to know oboobi’s doctrine you have to ask rahm emanual or david axelrod.
SHARPTOOTH on December 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM
So the “Obama Doctrine” is in reality “NO DOCTRINE” at all. That fits.
GarandFan on December 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Obama Doctrine “We will extend our hand if you unclench your fist” Tell Charlie Gibson:)
Dr Evil on December 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Obama will never have a doctrine. It would require him to have some sort of conviction on how the US should conduct itself in relation to the realities of international conflict. He came along with his lofty notions of singing kumbaya and ending war overnight, has been hit hard with the reality of objective enemies, and now(thankfully) seems to be realizing that in order to actually clean up this mess, he needs to look to his predecessor for cues.
The media, of course, will build a doctrine for him, but he has neither the fortitude nor the will to construct one himself. He’s overwhelmed. He’s merely trying to continue treading water while focusing entirely on domestic issues, and treating diplomacy as some sort of office party. He never stopped being a Senator, basically.
MadisonConservative on December 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Obama Doctrine
Perpetuate PC.
Enable terrorism.
Disable the US Constitution.
Revise all into Marxist conversion.
maverick muse on December 11, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Words, no matter how eloquently spoken, no matter how perfectly structured, are only as important as the actions that accompany them. To that end, the fraud in the White House talks the talk but stumbles all over the walk.
Great speechwriters he has; excellent speaking skills he has. A great record of accomplishment? None what-so-ever, unless voting “present” counts.
A created, rock star image, combined with an extrovert personality and an ego the size of all 57 states is Barack Obama.
Hey! Don’t knock it. Over 50 million people worship him.
GoldenEagle4444 on December 11, 2009 at 3:47 PM
And part of that “higher” standard is to continue renditions? Really? Seriously, what is worse, being sent to the nicest prison in the world indefinitely or turned over to a country that is famous for disappearing people?
Kafir on December 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Obama doctrine: blame Bush.
Terrye on December 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Jake Tapper is a shill. He’s trying to convince the world that his Messiah is not an empty-suited pantywaist. The only “doctrine” Obama adheres to is: “Capitalism bad, wealth redistribution good and I’m God’s gift to the world.” Obama Doctrine yeah, Tapper, you’ve got it all figured out and we are wrong to worry about this guy’s lack of spine and conviction when it comes to doing the right and necessary thing to protect this country and it’s citizens. What a putz.
Redneck Woman on December 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Um, no he’s not. He’s been the most voracious member of the White House Press Corps, and has become Gibbs’ worst nightmare. He’s put the screws on many, many times. Don’t forsake the guy. He’s amazingly objective for a journalist these days.
MadisonConservative on December 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM
If that his Obama’s doctrine, then it is news to him.
jukin on December 11, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Utopia= TOTUS + demagoguery + unicorns + rainbow sprinkles + change + bailout – Bush^3
Formulas.
ted c on December 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM
so stick to writing?!
/s
ted c on December 11, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Dem pundits were right there with the “muscular” Obama before he was even done with his speech. Muscular, my behind. I’m with AP. Obama was loathe to give this speech, but he had no choice. The only war Obama’s comfortable with is the one he wages with words.
Connie on December 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Answer: Yes. It did. Bend over.
argos on December 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM
I’d add the war his boy Rahm wages against knee caps and arms over at capital hill….
ted c on December 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I hope I live long enough to spit on Obama’s grave.
Reality Checker on December 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM
9:00 AM Oslo time: Doctrine announced.
9:45 AM Oslo time: Doctrine expired.
SwampYankee on December 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Then why did he do NOTHING recently when so many died in Iran? He’s a phony dummy. Not one person is freer in the world because of him. See Reagan. And “no, sonny, you ain’t me” — Ronald Reagan
Schadenfreude on December 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM
When I hear the words “Obama doctrine” the only logical words to follow are “the books“.
(Say the four words fast, it might be more clear).
SnowSun on December 11, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Guantanamo- closing since January 2009!
Chuck Schick on December 11, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Um, no he’s not. He’s been the most voracious member of the White House Press Corps, and has become Gibbs’ worst nightmare. He’s put the screws on many, many times. Don’t forsake the guy. He’s amazingly objective for a journalist these days.
MadisonConservative on December 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Based on what? That he’s asked Gibbs a few tough questions. Please. That’s what he supposed to do. When you say “he’s amazingly objective for a journalist these days” doesn’t mean anything other than he’s supposed to be objective. He doesn’t get brownie points for doing his job. Why do conservatives always seem to want to give Tapper credit for something he should be doing anyway? When Tapper actually starts doing some of the investigative journalism that Michelle Malkin and Glenn Beck have been doing on the Obama administration, then I will take my “shill” comment back. Until then, he’s just another biased journalist trying to cover for The One.
Redneck Woman on December 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Pretty clever. :)
jwolf on December 11, 2009 at 4:45 PM
For Obowma, when the state has control of all resources and decides who gets what and how much, that is justice.
SKYFOX on December 11, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Fauxbama is like a retarded relative who imagnes that he is POTUS.
BHO Jonestown on December 11, 2009 at 5:08 PM
and which is worse from a character standpoint; acknowledging sending latrunculi to those who will treat them as such, or claiming not and still doing it?
Fighton03 on December 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM
You mean bowing is the new doctrine?
Vashta.Nerada on December 11, 2009 at 5:25 PM
OBAMA DOCTRINE?
1. Work 24/7 to destroy your home country.
2. Make friends with all the worlds tyrants.
3. Run for President of the World.
4. Never leave office.
5. Bow to all the persecuted.
6. Take the garden global.
7. Mandates!!
8. Marxism
9. Make sure you get the roost ready for America’s chickens.
10. Sign Billion dollar movie / book deal.
11. Setup Amnesty to secure re-election votes.
PappyD61 on December 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM
How can an empty suit have a “doctrine”?
How can a TelePrompter have a “doctrine”?
How can a “leader” who doesn’t “lead” have a “doctrine”?
How can anyone with no grasp of history or diplomacy have a “doctrine”?
n0doz on December 11, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Maybe what he meant was in-doctrination?
Fighton03 on December 11, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Doctrine?
The “never run a lemonade stand” guy?
Out and out JOKE.
marklmail on December 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Obama doctrine: say anything… do whatever. And smear anyone who points out that your words have nothing to do with your actions.
petunia on December 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Wonder if Tingles thinks that speech should be memorized by school children in all communes everywhere just as in The One’s now immortal “race speech”.
Both were pretty boring in my opinion.
Personally, I haven’t heard an outstanding speech from a President since Reagan, though I thought Bush’s last State of the Union Address was pretty darn good.
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 11, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Hmmm… Obama Doctrine?
1) Spend lots of money.
2) Increase size of government.
3) Dawdle on any decision that requires doing other than 1 or 2 so no one knows or trusts what you will do.
4) Blame America First.
5) Blame Bush Second.
7) Insult our friends.
8) Schmooze up to our enemies.
9) Be unprecedented in the use of the term ‘unprecedented’.
10) Hold tacky parties and never check guest lists.
That about sums it up… save for the ‘every promise has an expiration date’ deal. That gets you down to an impoverished Nation with alienated friends, bitter enemies that despise us for weakness, a diminished presidency, and no one trusting you on any topic whatsoever.
If he wants to see backbone in others, he needs to find one for himself, first. If he wants help, he has to demonstrate he is trustworthy enough to be helped.
In 11 months he has set a course of disaster and nothing he can do after this point in time will change that, save a largish size boloid impacting the planet which would distract from how bad he is by offering something far worse as a spectacle. Yellowstone erupting would count in that category, too.
ajacksonian on December 11, 2009 at 9:06 PM
#4 worked so well with Cuba for the last 60 years. Hummm, maybe not so much.
Kissmygrits on December 12, 2009 at 9:13 AM
This is a good post Allah.
1. Don’t sink to their level (wow, talk about innovative)
2. Two heads are better than one (again, where does he come up with this stuff)
3. Pragmatism (holy shit he’s done it again)
4. Assholes start shit. (As Captain Obvious would say, If Obama had a battle cry, it would be “duuuuh”)
Stickeehands on December 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Given the source is an “anti-war President,” they will be quoting this stuff for years to come.
J_Crater on December 12, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Obama would much rather have vented a vague speech on Good Intentions and America’s Flaws, but some whiff of reality … from some corner… woke him to sounding pragmatic, for a moment.
Even in front of his somnambulistic, pacifistic admirers on the Continent, something forced Hussein to tell the basic truth of survival on this world, and not how to gambol in the usual Utopian Candyland Pax Universalis.
That he did not simply deliver the predictable pious Anarcho-piffle about a Glorious Future built on the Dream of Children’s Songs and Unicorns’ Sighs means that Barry believes what he had to say was necessary to retain a shred of military credibility for the 2012 election.
And that this “tough talk” was a sop ~as his Afghan War Hawk pose during the 2008 campaign was tactically needed to sucker the moderately hawkish.
Barry is a more of a calculator than a leader.
But his B.S. all adds up, ultimately, to Nil.
Since Obama undermines America daily, from the KSM trial decision, to failing to support the Iranian students last Summer, to lying about a “coup” in Honduras, to abandoning the East European missilie shield, to dithering for 250 days over Afghanistan (and then coming up with the same answer as he voiced last March) , ad nauseam.
He betrays the meaning of this little speech every day.
Which renders such posturing meaningless.
profitsbeard on December 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM