Dems squabbling over raising the debt limit

posted at 12:55 pm on December 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The Washington Post reports this morning that an effort to get the Senate to raise the national debt limit — a requirement for the Obama administration’s spending plans — have hit an impasse.  Senate Republicans don’t want an increase at all, but instead want significant cuts and less deficit spending.  The White House wants an increase in the ceiling with no strings attached, as do progressives in both the Senate and House.  However, moderate Democrats want the worst of both worlds in a bipartisan commission:

House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) said Friday that the government needs to borrow at least $1.8 trillion more next year to avoid defaulting on its debts.

Such an increase is much larger than House Democrats had planned earlier this year, when they proposed raising the nation’s debt limit.

His comments came as senior White House officials and Senate leaders planned to resume negotiations over the debt limit, with the two camps at odds over how to chart a course toward fiscal solvency.

Late Thursday, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, White House Budget Director Peter Orszag and other senior White House officials met with more than a dozen lawmakers at the Capitol, including Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.).

Conrad is the leader of a group of Senate moderates threatening to block an increase in the debt limit unless Congress also votes to create a bipartisan task force on deficit reduction with broad powers to force tax increases or spending cuts through Congress.

But the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) have resisted giving an independent task force the power to make potentially momentous budget decisions outside the regular legislative process. One option: President Obama could appoint a task force by executive order, though that body would be significantly weaker than one created by statute.

Right now, everyone should be asking themselves, “Where in the Constitution does this mysterious fourth branch of government exist to force bills through Congress?”  It’s a great question, and here’s another: why can’t Congress cut its own spending?  The answer is simple — Congress doesn’t want to cut its spending.  It wants to raise taxes.  And worse yet, it wants to pass the blame for higher taxes onto a “bipartisan task force” that will entirely consist of people who either have no accountability to voters or incumbents who have almost no risk of losing their office.

The citizens of the US constitute a bipartisan panel every two years; it’s called Congress.  Those elected officials exist to make decisions on spending and taxation.  Over the last few decades, they’ve made a lot of really, really bad decisions, and we’re seeing the entirely predictable results of them in ballooning deficits and spending that rivals World War II in terms of the burden on GDP.   These decisions to spend money in a manner that makes drunken sailors look like Ebenezer Scrooge has put this nation into a debt crisis of historical proportions, and into a position that leaves us at the mercy of foreign potentates in a way that would enrage and embarrass our founders.

Now our elected officials face a conundrum.  They can’t raise taxes any more without provoking an electorate even further than this year’s Tea Parties have already shown patience at an end.  They don’t want to cut spending and reduce government and lose their power and influence with lobbyists.  Therefore, they’ll defy the very intent of a constitutional republic and a government accountable to the governed, and hand legislative power off to an unaccountable group of elites that will give them the tax hikes they want.

This goes far beyond the issue of raising this particular debt limit.  Any member of Congress promoting this idea should resign from office or get recalled, and replaced with someone who took a civics lesson in their life and understands the role of an elected legislature.  If they are too cowardly to take responsibility for legislation, they don’t belong in a legislature that represents a free people.

Update: The Anchoress has some good advice for Congress — go home and start over next year.

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Fascist Pigs…..Stealing our Nation to smitherings…

hawkman on December 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM

May as well raise it 10 trillion now. You’ll have to do it anyways. I’d do it all at once, then you don’t have to do it every year – and you can proudly claim “we haven’t had to raise the debt limit it 6 years”.

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Who said it?

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans–a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

Answer here.

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Now they want to raise the debt ceiling to $1.8 trillion. Is this include the $1.1 trillion that the house just passed or is this different. Wow scary times here. When is this house of cards going to collapse.

The dems were all over Bush about his spending and they are spending more than Bush did. Where is the liberal left outrage now. It’s sucks for us right now.

Brat4life on December 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Why not? Its all monoply money anymore anyway. Besides if they don’t borrow it, they will probably just print it.

sonofdy on December 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM

This goes far beyond the issue of raising this particular debt limit. Any member of Congress promoting this idea should resign from office or get recalled, and replaced with someone who took a civics lesson in their life and understands the role of an elected legislature. If they are too cowardly to take responsibility for legislation, they don’t belong in a legislature that represents a free people

Hear, hear!

cmsinaz on December 11, 2009 at 1:01 PM

House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) said Friday that the government needs to borrow at least $1.8 trillion more next year to avoid defaulting on its debts.

Wouldn’t this be like me paying my mortgage interest with a home equity line of credit?

uknowmorethanme on December 11, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Now our elected officials face a conundrum. They can’t raise taxes any more without provoking an electorate even further than this year’s Tea Parties have already shown patience at an end.

The era of tea parties is over. The outrage now is more akin to a biker bar at 2am.

highhopes on December 11, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Iceberg dead ahead.

rjoco1 on December 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Bipartisan commission? Who’s going to be on it on the GOP side? The Maine Twins?

Wethal on December 11, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Tethting

Bishop on December 11, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I say we just pay cash for everything from here on in.

Akzed on December 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Well glory be, the banishment is over; glad to be back.

Bishop on December 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM

uknowmorethanme on December 11, 2009 at 1:02 PM

No. Racist.

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Congress should pass a law saying that any deficit needs to be paid with a tax increase to cover it. Let them explain why they have to raise taxes 1.5 trillion dollars in a year. LOL.

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM

And the elephant in the room that no one is paying attention to……

The interest that has to be repaid on this debt, which in itself will cripple us.

Knucklehead on December 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM

This can’t possibly be a real problem. Congress has always expressed its sincere intention to reduce spending next year, or the year after that.

Bugler on December 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Wouldn’t this be like me paying my mortgage interest with a home equity line of credit?

uknowmorethanme on December 11, 2009 at 1:02 PM

No, it’s more like you asking me to take out a lone to pay your interest.

Tommy_G on December 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM

I think I’ll raise my own debt limit. Buy whatever I want with borrowed money and just borrow money to pay the interest as my debt goes up. Let my kids and grand kids take care of the principle, (if they can), after I’m gone.

sdd on December 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Isn’t borrowing money just away to increase taxes in the future? Do I have it wrong?

It has be paid back, with interest, so you have increase taxes to do that. I can’t see any other way it can paid back.

Oil Can on December 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Well glory be, the banishment is over; glad to be back.

Bishop on December 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Welcome back to Tier 1 Poster status. ; )

thomasaur on December 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM

I’m sure this is somehow part of Obama keeping his promise to halve the debt.

gwelf on December 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM

These pigs disgust me.

BPD on December 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Remember when the Democrats use to criticize Bush for his deficits and debt?

So do I.

Wonder what happened to all of that good ol’ alleged Democrat “fiscal responsibility” we heard so much about prior to Jan 2009.

Good Lt on December 11, 2009 at 1:11 PM

What’s the problem its not like it is their money anyway?

LincolntheHun on December 11, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Answer here.

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM

The words out of Obama’s mouth mean nothing.

jhffmn on December 11, 2009 at 1:11 PM

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Nice. That Congressional record is obviously racist and a political terrorist, though.

Stop scaring everyone with those quotes. It’s not right.

Good Lt on December 11, 2009 at 1:12 PM

They’re ALL trying to avoid bankrupting the entire country and will do ANYTHING – Constitutional or otherwise – to avoid that happening.

If you thought AIG was too big to fail, how about the United States of America???

GoldenEagle4444 on December 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM

What some of them want to go the whole 10 trillion now? It is always a matter of how much of my money they want not whether they have a right to it or not… just how much have I got that they can take without going to jail.

And that is a lot.

petunia on December 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Well glory be, the banishment is over; glad to be back.

Bishop on December 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM

You were gone?

LibTired on December 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I may have to take a few weeks off of watching/ reading the news and this blog. As hotair keeps showing what our govt is doing I am getting physically ill. Why is it so hard to understand that we cannot keep going down this path. Why do they want to weaken our country so bad. I need to go lie down, I cannot take it anymore.

deepinthought on December 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM

So the bills on the old credit cards will be paid by signing up for a new credit card and charging everything to it.

Makes sense to me.

Bishop on December 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Once again… when does the shooting begin?

Midas on December 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Test

SouthernGent on December 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Sweet! I’m back!

There is NO SUCH THING AS A MODERATE DEMOCRAT!!!!!

SouthernGent on December 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM

deepinthought on December 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM

It’s all about control my friend….

cmsinaz on December 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM

If they are too cowardly to take responsibility for legislation, they don’t belong in a legislature that represents a free people.

Well we have already established that reading the bills isn’t their job anymore so… why should they get blamed?

This is just a social position now isn’t it. Gets them to lots of parties and famous and everything… with no work.

Sort of like the aristocracy in Europe. Only we elect ours.

petunia on December 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM

This goes far beyond the issue of raising this particular debt limit. Any member of Congress promoting this idea should resign from office or get recalled, and replaced with someone who took a civics lesson in their life and understands the role of an elected legislature. If they are too cowardly to take responsibility for legislation, they don’t belong in a legislature that represents a free people

Very well put…doesn’t that scare you that you had to type that paragraph? That it has reached this point? It scares the hell out of me. And the worst thing about it is there’s not a damned thing any of us can do about it except to call our representatives…the ones who don’t listen to a word we say.

I got a notice in my email this morning that says the GOP is going to
force a vote today to end the TARP program, and use all the unspent TARP funds to reduce our national debt. I wrote my representative and asked that he vote for the motion HR 4173 which is about financial responsibility among other things. I urge others to do the same.

scalleywag on December 11, 2009 at 1:18 PM

You were gone?
LibTired on December 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Ohhhhh…owwwww…knife to the kidneys. Cold.

Bishop on December 11, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I’m sure this is somehow part of Obama keeping his promise to halve the debt.

gwelf on December 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Yes, that may be what he’s said out loud, but we’ve never seen how it was spelled on TOTUS.

Probably something like this:

As I’ve always said, I’m am giving you my pledge to have Teh Debt.

An unprecedented debt, of course.

red winger on December 11, 2009 at 1:20 PM

The citizens of the US constitute a bipartisan panel every two years; it’s called Congress.

WE WON…
The two don’t equate…only in your dreams…

right2bright on December 11, 2009 at 1:21 PM

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Now can we get Jake Tapper have the One defend this remark? I would pay to see that answer if he was truly forced to address it.

WashJeff on December 11, 2009 at 1:21 PM

The fourth branch of government is the media, run by the people. They have failed, as they are more about being People Magazine than reporting facts.

They all need to be fired.

Conservative Voice on December 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM

OK, another dumb question. When does all this borrowing affect the US “FICO” score? I mean, if I did this Visa would cut me off.

Oil Can on December 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM

WashJeff on December 11, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I just think republicans should read it on the floor of the house or senate during the debate cycle.

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM

In Australia, the opposition finance minister is insisting that the Aussy gov’t prepare a contingency plan for default by the US on it debts. They see the crash coming; meanwhile, here in LaLa land, the government wants to borrow more.

james23 on December 11, 2009 at 1:23 PM

House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) said Friday that the government needs to borrow at least $1.8 trillion more next year to avoid defaulting on its debts.

Borrowing from Peter Baitan to pay Paul Binling.

davidk on December 11, 2009 at 1:23 PM

I just think republicans should read it on the floor of the house or senate during the debate cycle.

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM

That is good, but the nonpolitical junkies need to hear that statement.

WashJeff on December 11, 2009 at 1:25 PM

I thought I remembered a Democratic candidate with experience in constitutional law or something. I can’t quite remember who it was, but maybe they need to call that guy for advice.

Oh wait…

RachDubya on December 11, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Once again… when does the shooting begin?

Midas on December 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM

First thing we do is kill all the lawyers.

Second thing we do is torch Harvard Law School where all these bastards seem to have attended.

highhopes on December 11, 2009 at 1:25 PM

HHS has determined that the Senate’s Health Care plan with increase costs:

The analysis from nonpartisan economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department concludes that the nation’s health care tab will grow more rapidly under the Democratic plan senators are debating. It also calls into question the Democrats’ plan to squeeze $493 billion in savings from Medicare over 10 years, saying it “may be unrealistic.

So a department under Obama’s direction thinks the plan sucks.

WashJeff on December 11, 2009 at 1:27 PM

The answer is simple — Congress doesn’t want to cut its spending. It wants to raise taxes. And worse yet, it wants to pass the blame for higher taxes onto a “bipartisan task force” that will entirely consist of people who either have no accountability to voters or incumbents who have almost no risk of losing their office.

I know our elected representatives(at least the ones with a “D” after their names) are either stupid or insane(or both). But even they can’t seriously think they’re gonna be able to jack up everyone’s taxes by proxy using a “bipartisan task force” and actually believe that come election time they can point their fingers at a bunch of anonymous bureaucrats and hope for the voters to direct their rage at them.

Doughboy on December 11, 2009 at 1:28 PM

I think I’ll raise my own debt limit. Buy whatever I want with borrowed money and just borrow money to pay the interest as my debt goes up. Let my kids and grand kids take care of the principle, (if they can), after I’m gone.

sdd on December 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM

That’s an okay solution.

But if you really want to get ahead, the trick is to figure out how to print enough money to pay off your debts and interest.

That’s what your Uncle Sam is preparing to do.

JohnGalt23 on December 11, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Doughboy on December 11, 2009 at 1:28 PM

sadly, I believe they do…

cmsinaz on December 11, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Gallup and other polling agencies should do more aggressive advocacy polling with questions aimed at politicians. Not just popularity polls, but more direct questions to get the mood of the citizens.
Some examples:

1. If you could vote Nancy Pelosi out of office today, how would you vote?
a) Vote her out; b)Let her stay.

2. Should Harry Reid resign from office?
a) Yes; b) No.

3. Would you support a nationwide vote to recall Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid from political office?
a) Yes, b) No.

albill on December 11, 2009 at 1:31 PM

House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) said Friday that the government needs to borrow at least $1.8 trillion more next year to avoid defaulting on its debts.

The Democrats are quite literally obscene individuals as also political party.

They routinely seek to increase debt (and then do it) while rejecting (nearly exclusively) reducing the deficit and reduction of spending.

There has to be — truly, I say, there just has to be — some process of mental wellness established to serve in Congress because the Left and about 1/6 of the GOP continue to elect mentally, morally incompetent individuals to Congress (Hoyer among them).

Reduce the deficit, reduce spending. That’s the only reasonable process by which any level of debt can be addressed.

What’s taking place in today’s Congress (and in past Congresses) is an exploitive use of Congressional privileges, as in, it’s become a mad house of greed and irrational vanity.

Lourdes on December 11, 2009 at 1:33 PM

And reduce taxes.

Lourdes on December 11, 2009 at 1:34 PM

sadly, I believe they do…

cmsinaz on December 11, 2009 at 1:29 PM

I get that they all subscribe to Alinsky’s method of demonizing someone and convincing the public to direct their wrath at that person(or group of people). But they’re in power. They run everything. Bush is gone. Palin is a private citizen. Rush and Beck are private citizens. Tea partiers and town hall attendees are common everyday Americans.

Who are they going to blame for this come November 2010(and 2012)? To point the finger at a task force that they appointed would be silly. They’d be admitting that the government, the very entity they work in, is responsible.

I’m at a total loss here. I realize we may be witnessing Cloward-Piven first hand, but I still can’t believe my eyes. The Dems will be out of power for the next 30 years the way they’re currently going.

Doughboy on December 11, 2009 at 1:35 PM

I don’t see how these Democrats can even begin to have a happy home life, sitting around dinner tables with family, feeling happiness or contentedness or both, after their behaviors in Congress. It’s mind-boggling to me that they maintain such disassociation from humanity while continuing to “enjoy” themselves in social situations.

Lourdes on December 11, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Once again… when does the shooting begin?

Midas on December 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM
First thing we do is kill all the lawyers.

Second thing we do is torch Harvard Law School where all these bastards seem to have attended.

highhopes on December 11, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Sounds like this thread has the makings of a malitia… The HA malitia, i’m in

SHARPTOOTH on December 11, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Did I hear yesterday that they will probably slip this increase into a war/defense bill where the Republicans cannot vote against it because of what it would do to the troops.

Nothing would surprise me anymore.

tru2tx on December 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Sounds like this thread has the makings of a malitia… The HA malitia, i’m in

SHARPTOOTH on December 11, 2009 at 1:36 PM

As long as you aren’t on the spelling committee.

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM

As long as you aren’t on the spelling committee.

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Grammer is over rated :)

SHARPTOOTH on December 11, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Dems need more money for fisting programs.

It’s inconceivable to me that a Dem could get elected anywhere but a completely blue district.

BuckeyeSam on December 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Why would these drunken lords have a problem taking any more of OUR MONEY?
It sure as hell is not because they’re in the Christmas spirit.

Cybergeezer on December 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Coupling the debt limit increase with a massive, costly Health Care bill, topped off with a Cap N Rape stranglehold on business, and success in general and nobody will want to buy our debt.

Obama is counting on it.

cntrlfrk on December 11, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Bush is gone. Palin is a private citizen. Rush and Beck are private citizens

Doughboy on December 11, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Blasphemer!!!!!!!!
/

Johnnyreb on December 11, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Let’s just tax all the rich people! That will solve everything!!!!! Oh, and let’s tax anyone who breathes out that dangerous CO2 as well.

search4truth on December 11, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Answer here.

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM

From that site, statement by Barack Obama while in his (very) limited stay in Congress:

“Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally.” – Barack Obama

ISN’T THAT ^^ HIS (AND THE DEMOS’) PLAN?

Lourdes on December 11, 2009 at 1:52 PM

There’s a debt limit?

aengus on December 11, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Ohhhhh…owwwww…knife to the kidneys. Cold.

Bishop on December 11, 2009 at 1:18 PM

And to add further insult to injury, I never got 404′d. Been here the whole time, bro. Man, it’s been fun.

LibTired on December 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Throw the bumbs out!

joedoe on December 11, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Dems squabbling over raising the debt limit

Geez, how are the National Socialist Democrats going to Cloward-piven the country if they don’t raise the debt limit?

/sarc

Insert witty screen name here on December 11, 2009 at 1:55 PM

I think I’ll raise my own debt limit. Buy whatever I want with borrowed money and just borrow money to pay the interest as my debt goes up. Let my kids and grand kids take care of the principle, (if they can), after I’m gone.

sdd on December 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM

If (or when) individuals behave like that (and like the Dems in Congress are behaving) (as you’ve illustrated there), they’re diagnosed with dementia or some other form of mental incompetence.

Lourdes on December 11, 2009 at 1:57 PM

The socialists in our government are laughing at us, saying to each other, “What they hell are the people gonna do about it? We can do whatever we want and they can’t stop it.

“Maybe its time for another march on DC?

dogsoldier on December 11, 2009 at 1:57 PM

This is all part of the Kabuki theatre we call the road to serfdom. No worries, like spaghetti money grows on trees. Sit back and enjoy the show because it is going on with or without you.

On the positive side thank god the kids are too young to realize they are getting f’ked.

patrick neid on December 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM

No one in congress should get a paycheck until they start to turn this mess around. Al Gore and most of Hollywood should also be taxed at a rate of 99% just to teach them all a lesson about re-distributing wealth!

joedoe on December 11, 2009 at 1:59 PM

the government needs to borrow at least $1.8 trillion more next year to avoid defaulting on its debts.

Incuring debt, to pay debt…what? It’s like you’re in a sinking ship, and instead of dumping water out of the boat…you put water in and speed the process up! Talk about destroying a currency even faster than we need. Keynesian economics at its finest.

Isn’t this exactly what the government is telling the average American they shouldn’t do? Beyond belief.

Patriot Vet on December 11, 2009 at 2:02 PM

No one in congress should get a paycheck until they start to turn this mess around. Al Gore and most of Hollywood should also be taxed at a rate of 99% just to teach them all a lesson about re-distributing wealth!

joedoe on December 11, 2009 at 1:59 PM

I’m past think they deserve a paycheck. They’ve reneged on their oath. Removal, willingly or unwillingly seems a better option.

darwin on December 11, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Deficit czar.

Kissmygrits on December 11, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Isn’t this exactly what the government is telling the average American they shouldn’t do? Beyond belief.

Patriot Vet on December 11, 2009 at 2:02 PM

I think the goal is to collapse the foundation of the American economic system so the public will be forced to turn to the government for survival. Once they have you, they can do anything.

Seems to be working so far.

darwin on December 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Where’s that weasel Rahm been? That’s one treasonous bastard.

darwin on December 11, 2009 at 2:06 PM

as do progressives in both the Senate and House

How do these reactionary lefties get people to call them progressives?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 11, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Don’t buy gold. Buy ammo. Lots of ammo.

SirGawain on December 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Why would these drunken lords have a problem taking any more of OUR MONEY?
It sure as hell is not because they’re in the Christmas spirit.

Cybergeezer on December 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM

It’s the anti-Christmas spirit: Demos take away your things!

Lourdes on December 11, 2009 at 2:08 PM

lorien1973 on December 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM

This is the kind of thing that keeps me disappointed in elected Republicans. The Democrats could find a recording of Rush Limbaugh as a teenager if they could use it against the R’s, these idiots can’t even keep up with realitivly recent statements by the president.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2009 at 2:08 PM

We have no real “hit men”…the dems have always had a Carville, whom I think was the most effective tool Clinton had. The dems don’t give an inch…
I know Coulter tries to be, but she just doesn’t have the “it” factor, and she gets sidetracked…Carville stayed on point and hammered away.

right2bright on December 11, 2009 at 2:19 PM

deepinthought on December 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM

I hear ya. I totally understand. I can get to a point, where I feel we’re just totally defeated. I take a few days, rest…read, and avoid anything I can, that’s political. Then I come back, ready to fight, and comment, and do whatever I can, to try, and change this course.

Right now, we have a bunch of brain dead Dems in congress, ready, willing, and able to do what they want, despite what their constituents want. We do know they are the minority, even though they hold most of the cards…and if all goes well, in 2010, they will be booted out. But thee most important thing to remember is….it’s not over, and as long as their are people out there willing to fight for their freedoms, and rights in this country, and vow, to assure that future generations get to enjoy, and flourish with the same America we grew up in, then it’s a fight worth fighting. :)

capejasmine on December 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM

But the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) have resisted giving an independent task force the power to make potentially momentous budget decisions outside the regular legislative process.

What “regular legislative process?” Could they be referring to the corruptocrats’ playtime we have now? The doling out of nonexistent money to thugs and criminals? The wastage being shoveled through the House by Bahney Fwank? The unconstitutional power-grab of Osama Obabamacare?

The vast majority of our elected officials in DC, from the Chicago Jesus down to termites like Charlie Rangel, need to be removed from office post-haste, with indictments to follow.

MrScribbler on December 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM

albill on December 11, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Throw 0bama and Plugs Biden in there and you gotta deal…

Wolftech on December 11, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Maybe Bleeds Blue can come in here and say debt ratio is still at Bush levels.

Chuck Schick on December 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM

I’ll just use my visa to pay my mastercard…what could go wrong???

Ltlgeneral64 on December 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM

the government needs to borrow at least $1.8 trillion more next year to avoid defaulting on its debts.

Then Pelosi and Reid had better hold the mother of all bake sales.

highhopes on December 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Wouldn’t this be like me paying my mortgage interest with a home equity line of credit?

uknowmorethanme on December 11, 2009 at 1:02 PM

It’s worse. At least you have the possibility of your equity increasing before you have to start paying back that equity line, and then you can refinance the whole thing. Thet are still loans backed by real property that can be sold. Unless the government is planning to start selling our national parks or our military bases abroad, we have no assets to back any of this new debt.
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rockmom on December 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I’ll just use my visa to pay my mastercard…what could go wrong???

Ltlgeneral64 on December 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM

But with Congress it pretty much is I’ll use YOUR Visa and Mastercard to pay off my gambling debts.

highhopes on December 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM

as do progressives in both the Senate and House

How do these reactionary lefties get people to call them progressives?
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 11, 2009 at 2:06 PM

It would seem like the National Socialists like to call themselves “ progressives” so they can pretend they’re for ‘Progress’ or something.

Yes progress, towards the rat hole of socialism,
just like they used to like us the word “Liberal” so they could pretend they are in favor of ‘Liberty’ – people figured out that wasn’t the case so they transitioned to progressive.

Insert witty screen name here on December 11, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Therefore, they’ll defy the very intent of a constitutional republic

Everything about our govt for the past 100 years or so has been unconstitutional to one degree or another but excessively worse so now.

If the Founders were here today, the tar would be VERY hot and chickens and ducks would be in short supply if only for their feathers.

Yakko77 on December 11, 2009 at 3:36 PM

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