Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM
I am sorry, I guess I wasn’t clear enough, the large corporations see health care as a major burden, which it is. The unions see health care as a right, which it isn’t. Given the opportunity they both would love to have the chance to have some one else pay for it. Giving 55 year olds and up medicare instead of the coverage millions of us have paid for is a golden opportunity for corporations and unions to wash their hands of us.

fourdeucer on December 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM
and Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:13 PM
and Chuck Schick on December 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM
and Mr. D on December 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM

I am totally serious. I am for Obama Care (without a public option, but I’ll take the Medicare “fix”). This makes people 53.5 and older (remember that COBRA gives 18 months of post-termination coverage) cheaper than 40+ year olds who are full time employees. I’ll take that any day.

Intrepid on December 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM

it is not about helping anybody, it is about power. For themselves through the government.

This keeps happening… I’m growing weary. And that is the plan.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20091210/NEWS/912100328/1321/news/Hundreds-brave-cold-for-Palin-book-signing-in-Reno

Ahead of the book signing, the Nevada Democratic Party urged members to join activists at a parking-lot protest.

About 10 members of ProgressNow Nevada attempted to hold a candlelight vigil outside the store to urge the passage of health care reform. But the group was asked to leave by Costco employees, said Brian Fadie, the group’s technical director.

The group said in a statement: “We won’t stand for her lies or distortions about” health care reform legislation that U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and others are trying to push through Congress.

“Our message was that because of people like Sarah Palin and her fellow Republicans in Washington, it’s making real health care reform not possible,” Fadie said. “This state is struggling right now, and people deserve a better health care system.”

Translation: “WAAAH! Bad lady’s keeping our Dem majority from passing this bill!”

Chris_Balsz on December 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Don’t hold your breath. The moron RINO’s we have in congress right now will rollover and endorse this thing and then act surprised when it ends up turning America into a third world country, which is the real agenda here. Redistribution of wealth, our wealth to the rest of the world.

Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Excellent point, thank-you.

the worst Congress (D) in US history.

I’m going to use that one!

Imbecile.

jjshaka on December 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM

That’s a terrible sig!

The only caveat I would add there is that to some companies, health benefit packages are a tool in competition for and retention of quality employees. *Some* companies may choose to continue to provide coverage on that basis (and that one alone, really – no other reason not to simply dump everyone).

Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Ironically, a major driver in the growth of employer provided health insurance was FDR’s wartime wage controls which led to employers offering insurance to attract workers.

They are going to reap the benefits regardless which is why I think they aren’t doing everything they can to kill the bill. Remember this is not D vs R, it’s inside the Beltway vs the rest of us.

Power.

If the RINOs give the appearance of ‘well gollee we tried, we really did but those mean ol’ Democrats wouldn’t listen to our ideas and wouldn’t play nice in the sandbox’ then they think people will vote for them in droves. Part of me thinks that’s really the GOP establishment plan knowing when this steaming pile of turd passes we’ll be more beholden to them than ever because they will position themselves as the only hope to repeal this mess. But they won’t. They want it to pass for one reason:

POWER.

That is why they all must go.

Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Making that declaration has tha smell of accepting defeat. Making the declaration if this crap sandwich passes.

I await a Republican commitment to overturn this as soon as they have a majority.

Chris_Balsz on December 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I’m suprised that we haven’t heard more promises like that already from folks aspiring to Congressional/Presidential office in 2010 and 2012.

Great time right now for candidates to get out in front of that and ‘be the leader’ rather than an “oh yeah, me too” candidate.

fourdeucer on December 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM

The only caveat I would add there is that to some companies, health benefit packages are a tool in competition for and retention of quality employees. *Some* companies may choose to continue to provide coverage on that basis (and that one alone, really – no other reason not to simply dump everyone).

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM

I am sorry, I guess I wasn’t clear enough, the large corporations see health care as a major burden, which it is. The unions see health care as a right, which it isn’t. Given the opportunity they both would love to have the chance to have some one else pay for it. Giving 55 year olds and up medicare instead of the coverage millions of us have paid for is a golden opportunity for corporations and unions to wash their hands of us.