Reid version of ObamaCare would slam middle class

posted at 1:30 pm on December 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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No wonder Harry Reid wants to end debate on the bill.   Keith Hennessey reviews the data from the Joint Committee on Taxation and discovers that while a small set of middle-class earners will have to spend less on insurance premiums, over 68 million will have to pay more — a lot more.  Only a quarter of that number will see a net benefit:

Here’s the quantitative summary for the Reid bill.  All figures are for the year 2019, and in each case these are net results of premium changes, tax subsidies, and tax increases.

17.8 million individuals, families, and single parents with incomes under $200K will be net financial winners (11% of all tax returns under $200K):

  • [Of] that 17.8 million total, 13.2 million of them will benefit from the government subsidy for health insurance, net of any premium increases.
  • The other 4.6 million of them will also benefit, netting out their premium reduction with the higher taxes they will pay.  These people in general will not get a health insurance subsidy.

68.4 million individuals, families, and single parents with incomes under $200K will be net financial losers (41% of all tax returns under $200K):

  • In general these people are not eligible for premium subsidies, so the effects of he Reid bill on them are direct premium effects and/or tax increases.
  • Within this group, here are some representative averages, taking into account premium changes, tax subsidies for premium purchase, and tax increases:
  • Within this population of 68.4 million net losers, an average individual working for a small business who gets health insurance through the small group market will be worse off, even if his income is below $10K per year:
    • Income of 0 – $10K:  He pays $31 more (per year).
    • Income of $10K – $20K:  He pays $99 more.
    • Income of $20K – $30K:  He pays $202 more.
    • Income of $30K – $40K:  He pays $325 more.
    • Income of $40K – $50K:  He pays $377 more.
    • Income of $50K – $75K:  He pays $576 more.
    • Income of $75K – $100K:  He pays $681 more.
    • Income of $100K – $200K: He pays $726 more.
  • If this individual works for a large employer buying insurance in the large group market, the bill helps him if his income is <$20K, and hurts him if his income is >$20K:
    • Income of 0 – $10K:  He pays $135 less.
    • Income of $10K – $20K:  He pays $67 less.
    • Income of $20K – $30K:  He pays $36 more.
    • Income of $30K – $40K:  He pays $159 more.
    • Income of $40K – $50K:  He pays $211 more.
    • Income of $50K – $75K:  He pays $410 more.
    • Income of $75K – $100K:  He pays $515 more.
    • Income of $100K – $200K: He pays $561 more.

For an average family among the 68.4 million losers getting insurance through the small group market (including most small business employees), they are on average better off if their family income is <$20K, and worse off if their income is >$20K.  If they get insurance through a large employer, the breakpoint is $30K.

For an average single parent among the 68.4 million losers, he or she will be better off if income is <$20K, and worse off if income is >$20K, whether he or she gets insurance in the small group or large group markets.

In other words, the middle class will be paying the freight for this system, starting at incomes at the very bottom of that class. Democrats want to sell that as a “middle-class tax cut,” but the only middle-class taxpayers who will see any benefit at all are ironically those who get thrown out of their existing health-care plans by businesses hoping to dump costs.

Meanwhile, attempts to paint this as some sort of new solution ran afoul of the bloggers at Verum Serum, who note that the late Senator Ted Kennedy offered precisely this kind of proposal as a “40th birthday present” from Medicare to the American people. Kennedy even included access to the Federal Employee Health Benefit Plan:

To make the transition from the current splintered system, I propose to phase in Medicare for All age group by age group. Starting with those closest to retirement, between 55 and 65. Aside from senior citizens themselves, they have the greatest health needs. And the highest health costs.

The whole thing boggles Morgan’s mind:

I’m still trying to wrap my mind around how we went from a situation only a week ago where not only was the defeat of the public option virtually inevitable, but where it’s defeat also threatened to bring the down the entire health reform effort along with it. And here we are now looking at the biggest step towards a single payer system since the inception of Medicare.

I don’t know how we got here but the conservative opposition and other aligned interests better wake up fast and mobilize against this. Senator Kennedy’s life-long dream is a nightmare for anyone who cares about individual liberty and the fiscal prosperity of our nation. This effort must be stopped if at all possible.

And that doesn’t even take into consideration the impact a Medicare expansion, with its anemic compensation rates, will have on providers in the US. The Mayo Clinic and other providers warned that hospitals and clinics will go bankrupt as Democrats push millions of more Americans into coverage that pays inadequate compensation for the costs involved. It will act like a bomb on supply in the health-care system, driving up the demand-supply ratio and either prices or rationing along with it. It’s the worst of all worlds.


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Is the ghost of Teddy Kennedy going to haunt us forever?

UltimateBob on December 10, 2009 at 1:36 PM

over 68 million will have to pay more — a lot more

What? Redistribution is fair, isn’t it?

17.8 million individuals, families, and single parents with incomes under $200K will be net financial winners (11% of all tax returns under $200K)

Democrats will takes these numbers and run with them by making the “rich” out to be bad guys who need to pay.

Mark Boabaca on December 10, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Is the ghost of Teddy Kennedy going to haunt us forever?

UltimateBob on December 10, 2009 at 1:36 PM

I think they’re done with that horse.

Mark Boabaca on December 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM

I’m shocked. Shocked.

MassVictim on December 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM

That is one of the problems with the clowns in Congress: they are trying to sell retread ideas instead of coming up with innovative approaches to the problems they are addressing. The whole democrat approach to health care is a rehash of ideas that have already failed, yet they trot them out again and again.

Tangentially, this is why we should have term limits. After awhile our legislators get stale, they are more concerned with re-election rather than actually solving problems. They are so insulated in DC, they have a one-point perspective from which they draw solutions. A cycling of legislators would bring fresh experiences to DC.

Mallard T. Drake on December 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM

This bill gets scarier by the minute. Kill it!!

laurakbarr on December 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Zombie Teddy is on the march.

Missy on December 10, 2009 at 1:42 PM

No wonder why Scary didn’t want to release this plan. I still can’t believe the idiots in Washington want this pile of dung. Maybe Scary should go to LA and stay there til he loses next year.

Brat4life on December 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Harry Reid is trying to hide the decline… of the money in our wallets.

red winger on December 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM

“The Zombie Kennedys” is still available as a band name…

mojo on December 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Harry Reid is trying to hide the decline… of the money in our wallets.

red winger on December 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM

And how exactly does he expect to get away with that? I suppose the drive-bys could provide enough cover for the Dems to get this passed, but I think even the dumbest of Americans(i.e. Obama voters) will notice when a few hundred bucks go missing from their salary.

Doughboy on December 10, 2009 at 1:51 PM

This is a giant three card monte game. They keep moving the parts and components around — the public option is in, no it’s out, the abortion funding is in, it’s out, we have a compromise and then we don’t. The idea is to make it impossible to keep our eyes on the board.

There’s one important difference, though — you can avoid playing three card monte. We’re all at this table with a gun to our heads.

Mr. D on December 10, 2009 at 1:51 PM

The largest corporations and the unions will love the idea of dumping their employees onto the government funded health care plan. Having the highest cost of insurance premiums the 55 to 65 (including myself) year olds who have paid premiums for 30 plus years don’t want and can’t afford this debacle.

fourdeucer on December 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM

It’s the worst of all worlds.

In other words, it’s a typical Democrat policy that we can expect from the worst Congress (D) in US history.

How’d their minimum wage raise that they shoved up businesses’ backsides in 2007 work out for everyone?

Wasn’t that supposed to help the young and inexperienced get jobs and higher wages at gunpoint? Why then did the unemployment rate among the young and inexperienced shoot up this year to its highest rate since WWII?

Face it, Obamacrats. Nobody except for you morons want your policies, because they don’t work in real life. They hurt people in real life – LOTS of people who did nothing wrong and who don’t deserve it – and you don’t care. And no, “looks good on paper” is not real life.

REAL LIFE is real life.

Good Lt on December 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM

You slavery-loving Rethuligcan’ts are just whining because the recession is over.

LibTired on December 10, 2009 at 1:55 PM

When, and I know it will, the taxpayer abortion is added to this bill, will the Catholic hospitals go out of business or cave?
L

letget on December 10, 2009 at 1:58 PM

So when does the shooting begin?

No, I’m not kidding.

Midas on December 10, 2009 at 1:58 PM

For example, my wife and I make a combined income around $80,000. Yes, we’re “rich” by Obama’s standards, even though we can’t afford to do much else than pay bills and go on a weekend trip maybe once per year.

Under this new benevolent people-powered ObamacratCare plan, coupled with our increased taxes ($600 dollars more) this year (thanks again, obamacrats!), we will have $1,000 LESS than we had a year ago to spend on anything. That helps nobody – it doesn’t help us, it doesn’t help the stores from which we would have bought supplies and other things, and it doesn’t help the travel destinations we would have patronized.

So it’s not just screwing us royally – it’s screwing LOTS of other people with whom we do business. And we’re just one couple.

How, again, is that “helping” me? Or anybody else in my situation (of whom there are many millions)?

KEEP THE CHANGE AND GO AWAY.

Good Lt on December 10, 2009 at 1:58 PM

What can I say? The nation is being run by idiots. This latest news is unbelievable. I don’t know the first thing about finance, but what I do know is that Medicare costs are already sky high and now they want even more people to go on it? I’m 55 so I fall into that group. And do you know what that tells me? That my employer is going to say hey, why should we pay scalleywag’s Blue Cross Blue Shield when we can just take her off the rolls and put her on Medicare? Am I understanding this right? Because I’ve read so many versions of “health care” that it makes me sick just to see a post on it anymore.

scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 1:59 PM

That magic number dems use for uninsured – 45 mil? 36 mil? 31 mil? – on average is half the number of people who will find their insurance premiums rise.

I find it hard to wrap my head around the stupidity of liberals who would push legislation that would directly harm more than twice as many people than it helps.

Intrepid on December 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM

This bill has got to be stopped.

IF the GOP will tell the truth about what is happening here, and stand up to the march of socialized medicine, IMO they can reap the benefits in 2010.

Could be wrong, but that’s how I see it.

cs89 on December 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM

LibTired on December 10, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Ah yes- that rarest of species, the numerically rising unemployment claims as the harbinger of economic expansion.
Imbecile.

jjshaka on December 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM

How’d their minimum wage raise that they shoved up businesses’ backsides in 2007 work out for everyone?

Where I work (a university) the minimum wage workers are the ONLY ones who have gotten a pay increase twice since 2007. The rest of us on salary (except for the president, of course) have gotten no increase whatsoever since 2007 and probably won’t get one in 2010 either. But that’s okay because prices on things we buy haven’t gone up or anything like that. hahahaha

scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 2:05 PM

The largest corporations and the unions will love the idea of dumping their employees onto the government funded health care plan. Having the highest cost of insurance premiums the 55 to 65 (including myself) year olds who have paid premiums for 30 plus years don’t want and can’t afford this debacle.

fourdeucer on December 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM

–I’m almost in that same age group and I think this is great. Employers can’t dump insurance for only those 55 and over without a great degree of legal risk. They also generally can’t dump people over 40 without some legal risk, but they really want to do so for a variety of (generally wholly or partially illegal) factors.

What this bill would do is make people over 55 very desirable to employers for part-time work. They don’t have to provide expensive health insurance and benefits to people like me, so our net cost goes down significantly compared to the people in the 40s.

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Sorry for the OT but, this is good. MM has this on her sight. Thought I would share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnLqoRtUAVg

milwife88 on December 10, 2009 at 2:09 PM

The UN’s Agenda 21 … rid the world of America’s middle class.

tarpon on December 10, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM

LOL, you’re serious? You’re comparing yourself (a 55+ part timer) to someone in their 40′s who’s working full-time?

I’m not talking about differences in performance, just simply a total productivity perspective – are you, as a part-timer w/no benefits, as productive as a full-timer w/benefits?

Perhaps you think a lot of companies would prefer to have 2 part-timers instead of one full-timer. That makes sense, so long as other considerations are wholly ignored (space, overhead, equipment/computer requirements, training, etc) – which semi-intelligent business owners are not prone to do.

Sorry, I think you’re misguided a bit there. Yeah, you’ll cost less as a part-timer than a full-timer, but you can’t (and your hiring employer won ‘t) look at it through such a blinded/restricted set of assumptions.

Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:13 PM

You in the military need to pay special attention to all of this. When you retire from the military you get TRICARE (or TRICARE Prime if you pay for it, we do) until you are 65. Then you automatically get covered under TRICARE for Life. Those payments are pegged to the Medicare rates. So if (when) Medicare reimbursement rates go down, your reimbursement rates go down also.

So much for all that free medical care for life nonsense.

Johnnyreb on December 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Hey! Let ‘em do it. They want a revolution. This is guaranteed to give them A REVOLUTION!

GarandFan on December 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Do any of you “gimme gimme gimme” guys not realize how broke Medicare and Medicaid are?

Chuck Schick on December 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Medicare’s going broke in a hurry, dude. When you and your pals join, it goes broke faster. And doctors don’t like serving a clientele that doesn’t pay, so you’ll either not get served at all or wait a long, long time.

Mr. D on December 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Medicare as it stands today will be broke by 2017. Just how are all of these new insured going to be added while retaining benefits?
They will not be. There will have to be significant restrictions on care.

Aviator on December 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM

I await a Republican commitment to overturn this as soon as they have a majority.

Chris_Balsz on December 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM

I am sorry, I guess I wasn’t clear enough, the large corporations see health care as a major burden, which it is. The unions see health care as a right, which it isn’t. Given the opportunity they both would love to have the chance to have some one else pay for it. Giving 55 year olds and up medicare instead of the coverage millions of us have paid for is a golden opportunity for corporations and unions to wash their hands of us.

fourdeucer on December 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Senator Reid, President Radical Lying Bastard, Speaker Pelosi:
LEAVE ME AND MY FAMILY THE F ALONE. Fund the military, secure our borders, build roads and bridges but STAY THE F OUT OF MY LIFE.

txrmctague on December 10, 2009 at 2:40 PM

fourdeucer on December 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM

The only caveat I would add there is that to some companies, health benefit packages are a tool in competition for and retention of quality employees. *Some* companies may choose to continue to provide coverage on that basis (and that one alone, really – no other reason not to simply dump everyone).

Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM

KILL THIS DAM BILL NOW!!!!!!!!!

capejasmine on December 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I await a Republican commitment to overturn this as soon as they have a majority.

Chris_Balsz on December 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I’m suprised that we haven’t heard more promises like that already from folks aspiring to Congressional/Presidential office in 2010 and 2012.

Great time right now for candidates to get out in front of that and ‘be the leader’ rather than an “oh yeah, me too” candidate.

Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Making that declaration has tha smell of accepting defeat. Making the declaration if this crap sandwich passes.

WashJeff on December 10, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Health care costs won’t matter much because none of will have jobs anyway after the EPA gets done gutting the economy with CO2 restrictions.

Wyznowski on December 10, 2009 at 2:49 PM

cs89 @ 2:03pm

They are going to reap the benefits regardless which is why I think they aren’t doing everything they can to kill the bill. Remember this is not D vs R, it’s inside the Beltway vs the rest of us.

Power.

If the RINOs give the appearance of ‘well gollee we tried, we really did but those mean ol’ Democrats wouldn’t listen to our ideas and wouldn’t play nice in the sandbox’ then they think people will vote for them in droves. Part of me thinks that’s really the GOP establishment plan knowing when this steaming pile of turd passes we’ll be more beholden to them than ever because they will position themselves as the only hope to repeal this mess. But they won’t. They want it to pass for one reason:

POWER.

That is why they all must go.

TheAdmiral on December 10, 2009 at 2:52 PM

The only caveat I would add there is that to some companies, health benefit packages are a tool in competition for and retention of quality employees. *Some* companies may choose to continue to provide coverage on that basis (and that one alone, really – no other reason not to simply dump everyone).

Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Ironically, a major driver in the growth of employer provided health insurance was FDR’s wartime wage controls which led to employers offering insurance to attract workers.

Aviator on December 10, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Imbecile.

jjshaka on December 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM

That’s a terrible sig!

Al in St. Lou on December 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Let me get this straight. Our enemies want to destroy America. Democrats are destroying this country from the inside out. Treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Why isn’t anyone in elected office with authority saying anything about treason? It would be easy to apply that to the top and all down the way through their slimy undergrowth.

txrmctague on December 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM

the worst Congress (D) in US history.

I’m going to use that one!

zenscreamer on December 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM

What amazes me is that for a party that calls itself “progressive,” the democrats sure don’t have any imagination. The same tactics and policies have been regurgitated for the last 30 yrs. Really kinda sad….

search4truth on December 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Excellent point, thank-you.

fourdeucer on December 10, 2009 at 3:03 PM

I await a Republican commitment to overturn this as soon as they have a majority.

Chris_Balsz on December 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Don’t hold your breath. The moron RINO’s we have in congress right now will rollover and endorse this thing and then act surprised when it ends up turning America into a third world country, which is the real agenda here. Redistribution of wealth, our wealth to the rest of the world.

flytier on December 10, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Interesting comment from the Palin book signing in Reno on health care:

Ahead of the book signing, the Nevada Democratic Party urged members to join activists at a parking-lot protest.

About 10 members of ProgressNow Nevada attempted to hold a candlelight vigil outside the store to urge the passage of health care reform. But the group was asked to leave by Costco employees, said Brian Fadie, the group’s technical director.

The group said in a statement: “We won’t stand for her lies or distortions about” health care reform legislation that U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and others are trying to push through Congress.

Our message was that because of people like Sarah Palin and her fellow Republicans in Washington, it’s making real health care reform not possible,” Fadie said. “This state is struggling right now, and people deserve a better health care system.”

Translation: “WAAAH! Bad lady’s keeping our Dem majority from passing this bill!”

cs89 on December 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM

There is an extremely disquieting pattern developing. The left capitulates… says public option is dead… Stupak is fine… then the right backs off, loses interest and viola, the left gets everything they asked for.

This keeps happening… I’m growing weary. And that is the plan.

petunia on December 10, 2009 at 3:40 PM

We need to stop calling this a Health Care bill and call it the Health Tax bill and maybe more people will get the proper perspective of what the Democrats are really pushing.

chickasaw42 on December 10, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Intrepid on December 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM

it is not about helping anybody, it is about power. For themselves through the government.

darktood on December 10, 2009 at 5:05 PM

TANSTAAFL is in full effect when it comes to so called “free” healthcare.

Heftyjo on December 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Parody: Senators Urge Passage of Unpopular Health Care Bill “For The People Who Got Obama Tattoos” http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/12/senators-urge-passage-of-unpopular.html

Mervis Winter on December 10, 2009 at 5:50 PM

As per usual, precious little info is available on how this will affect the self-employed and others in the individual market, particularly those with HSAs. I can only assume the reason for that is that we’re going to get hosed.

NoLeftTurn on December 10, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM
I am sorry, I guess I wasn’t clear enough, the large corporations see health care as a major burden, which it is. The unions see health care as a right, which it isn’t. Given the opportunity they both would love to have the chance to have some one else pay for it. Giving 55 year olds and up medicare instead of the coverage millions of us have paid for is a golden opportunity for corporations and unions to wash their hands of us.

fourdeucer on December 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM
and Midas on December 10, 2009 at 2:13 PM
and Chuck Schick on December 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM
and Mr. D on December 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM

I am totally serious. I am for Obama Care (without a public option, but I’ll take the Medicare “fix”). This makes people 53.5 and older (remember that COBRA gives 18 months of post-termination coverage) cheaper than 40+ year olds who are full time employees. I’ll take that any day.

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Reid is a criminal. something all democrat politicians and voters know. ie, all democrats are evil. no exceptions.

proconstitution on December 10, 2009 at 10:17 PM


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