PPP: Obama 50, Palin 44
posted at 4:37 pm on December 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
Actually, the real scoop is that Huckabee has crawled to within one thin point of The One at 46/45. But I already teased the good news for him a few days ago, so here’s the Palinistas’ chance to feel encouraged. She trailed The One by 12 points in late October. Six weeks later, thanks to the book tour and the debacle that is ObamaCare, she’s cut it in half.
It’s interesting to note that Huckabee’s share of the Democratic vote is up from 11% a month ago to now 16%, but his share of the Republican vote is down from 87% to 83%. There’s a similar trend in his favorability numbers. Although they’re pretty much unchanged overall from 36/37 a month ago to 35/35 now, he’s dropped from 65% of Republicans seeing him positively to 57% but has increased from 13% to 17% with Democrats. We’ll want to see if this trend continues before making any definitive conclusions, but it appears there’s some possibility the publicity about his commutation of Maurice Clemmons brought a side of Huckabee out in the national spotlight that made him more popular across party lines but less popular within his own…
Palin has her top showing against Obama, trailing 50-44. That’s quite an improvement from March when we first tested the Obama-Palin contest and found her trailing 55-35. What’s interesting is that there’s been almost no change in her favorability numbers over the course of the year. She was at 39/50 then and she’s at 41/50 now. That’s a pretty clear sign the tightening has had little to do with her and almost everything to do with Obama’s declining popularity.
Actually, I think Huck’s numbers are an even better indicator of The One’s sagging popularity. Check out the “not sure” column here:
And then head to head:
The fact that he’s pulling 16 percent of Democrats even as a relatively unknown commodity means there’s a lot of unhappy Blue Dogs out there right now. In fact, Sarahcuda, the left’s eternal hate object, does well with Democrats too: She pulls 15 percent, but loses 12 percent of Republicans compared to Huck’s seven.
As for Mitt, he’s hanging in there by trailing Obama by five, but his favorables among Republicans are just 51 percent. Unless and until universal health care is off the right’s political radar, RomneyCare is a ball and chain around his ankle.
Update: Obama/Palin 2012?
Sarah Palin and President Obama don’t agree on much, but last year’s Republican vice presidential nominee just gave the president’s defense of “just wars” a thumbs up in an interview with USA TODAY. In fact, she said that the president’s address in Oslo, where he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize today, reminded her of what she wrote on the same subject in her hugely successful memoir, Going Rogue.
“I liked what he said,” Palin told us in a phone interview. “I talked too in my book about the fallen nature of man and why war is necessary at times.” For Palin, that view strikes close to home: Her eldest son, 20-year-old Track, is an Army infantry member who recently returned from a tour of duty in Iraq.
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The military service record of your preferred politician is?
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Huckabee was leading by double digits among the “Convicted Violent Felons Who Had A Miraculous Conversion to Christianity While in Prison” demographic.
Cicero43 on December 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM
(Proving, once again, my point that Palinista have some sort of fascination with homosexuality. Where does that come from, I still wonder? Hmm.)
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Fail again, troll. For some reason, I don’t see Sarah Palin paying over a million dollars to have lawyers blocking the release of her GPA. Even you should be able to understand that, troll…
joejm65 on December 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM
You must be in a coma.
The difference is marked.
And why does the POTUS need a marketing firm?!?
The bully pulpit isn’t enough?
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM
You didn’t really say this, did you? You realize that one of the reason people think Palin is a joke is that her supporters trot out stuff like this to prove that she somehow has any relevant military experience at all.
You really think that if the Russians had come across the Bering Straight that the Pentagon would have put her in charge of the troops (or that the Alaska National Guard would have been our main line of defense)?
Though, the thought of her and Todd leading horde of Alaskan Guardsmen on snow machines, cavalry-like and sabers drawn as they fly into the teeth of the evil Russkie infantry, is kind of compelling in an odd sort of way.
Bleeds Blue on December 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM
As always, Palin’s record exceeds Obama’s in this regard. She commanded the Alaskan National Guard. As a Governor, she was briefed by Homeland Security, because Governors have a role to play in national defense. And she has a son in service.
hawksruleva on December 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Yes, to the likes of you, I imagine it would be. LOL
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Where did this mythical dollar figure come from? No college will release a transcript unless requested to do so. You don’t have to retain an arttorny to stop them. Sarah’s didn’t, Obama’s didn’t.
Bleeds Blue on December 10, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Frankly darwin you’re not really capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation without resorting to SOME kind of mediocrity, but since you seem to be serious on this point, I will say: At least SOME active duty service, Army/Navy/AF/Marines. I *suppose* I don’t even care whether you were enlisted or officer rank.
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 5:41 PM
It’s amazing what a troll can do with the littlest bit of substance.
voxpopuli, take notes.
Abby Adams on December 10, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Which she does.
She was already in charge.
AK has been the front line of U.S. defense since we bought it–there were a few battles of WWII fought there against the Japanese– and its response teams (like SAC and the National Guard) have been beefed up since the Cold War began.
There have most likely been numerous incursions while Palin was Governor, but they are kept quiet for national security reasons.
Research it.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM
FOLKS!!!!….. liberal trolls score A and A+s in english and creative writing in highschool and college and are all unemployed because either newspapers are a financial blackhole or publishers are not willing to invest actual dollars on their crappy writing and liberal rants. they all dwell in dark rooms in their parents basements watching the Daily Show and gay porn while occasionally registering on to conservative blogs to harass conservatives on comments pages. dont fall for it. let them be. their lives are pathetic enough as it is dont dignify them with a response. just pray for them and ask God to forgive them and have mercy on them in 2010 and 2012.
moonbatkiller on December 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Obama did retain attorneys to hide his and he himself is an attorney.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Lame and juvenile.
Try harder…you may have a talent for it. I’m guessing you’re about 17. KO is going to need a replacement one day. Just sayin’.
You can do it! I believe in you!
Itchee Dryback on December 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
You really didn’t say that did you? Commanding any state National Guard (which includes air wings by the way) is very relevant. Unless of course you think Obama’s experience commanding ACORN troops trumps it.
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Blue, you’re a rabid leftist and therefore worthy of my scorn AT BEST, but on this issue, I could not agree more.
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Could you just write that down for me, honey? And maybe a coffee while you’re at it. Thanks.
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
You may denigrate Governor Palin’s responsibility for our national security as AK Governor, but it’s still infinitely more experience than NObama will ever have.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
It’s an improvement over the one where it looks like she’s picking her nose.
Polynath on December 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
CIC of that Alaska National Guard trumps Leading an army of ACORN workers in a protest Bleeder.
portlandon on December 10, 2009 at 5:47 PM
What? No more raging about “the homos,” moonbatkiller? Come on. You know you’ve got a better rant than that in you.
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 5:47 PM
When stumped you resort to what you know best. That’s fine, but I was asking if you had anyone in mind … you know, is there someone you like? Or do you just like flaunting Sarah Palin’s unofficial title.
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
And, as usual, it always comes back to this. “But she’s better than Obama!”
Well guess what, so is my dog. He’s a very friendly little guy, and very cute. Do you suppose we should run him, as well?
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Same old crap, different day.
*Yawn*
Brian1972 on December 10, 2009 at 5:51 PM
I’m not arguing that Obama had a sterling military record. Although, both he and McCain probably had more and more substantive military briefings (because the Bush White House began briefing them before the election) by last November than Ms. Palin ever had.
I’m just trying to recall what incredible military maneuvers she masterminded.
And, all credit to The Governor, don’t you think that there was probably, I don’t know, an actual military guy who ran things?
Bleeds Blue on December 10, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Exactly.
Palin is better than Obama.
In fact, there are few WORSE than Obama.
Palin just happens to have experience, a track record in public office and all the right Conservative principles and ideas.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 5:52 PM
So you want to talk more about homosexuality, and you have a very *cute* little dog.
Hmmmmmmmm …
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Bascially, yes. Maybe you should let your wife sit at the keyboard. She’s obviously the brains of the operation.
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM
The bottom line is that as AK Governor, she has to issue the orders to that “military guy.”
Briefings don’t count unless you’re willing to admit that as AK Governor, Palin had many of those same briefings.
Russia violates sovereign U.S. airspace and territory all the time.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Cream and sugar, or just your usual Rahmshot?
Abby Adams on December 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Well guess what, so is my dog. He’s a very friendly little guy, and very cute. Do you suppose we should run him, as well?
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 5:50 PM
So you want to talk more about homosexuality, and you have a very *cute* little dog.
Hmmmmmmmm …
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 5:55 PM
I think Palin is better than Obama,Romney,Huckabee,Pawlenty,Clinton.
As for experience with the Military:
Romney was CIC of Mass.
Pawlenty was CIC of Minnesota
Huckabee was CIC of Arkansas
Obama was a Community Organizer
Clinton was First lady.
What’s your point?
portlandon on December 10, 2009 at 5:56 PM
This isn’t the first thread that you bring up Homosexuality. Why are such a homophobe? Why can’t you allow people to live their lives?
portlandon on December 10, 2009 at 5:57 PM
It’s the LOL Troll, working overtime on a Palin thread again. Actual women ( that he can’t inflate ) terrify this troll.
Meanwhile–Another Day, Another Fake Poll from Fake Polls, Inc
Janos Hunyadi on December 10, 2009 at 5:59 PM
I think you’d be surprised at the briefings governors receive. I think you’d be even more surprised at the briefings Palin received. As much as liberals want to deny it, Alaska is strategically located, and on the forefront of our defense from incoming attacks, especially missile. There’s quite a few sensitive military locations in Alaska that aren’t anywhere else in CONUS. Just because you don’t know about them doesn’t mean Palin doesn’t.
Just because she doesn’t talk about what she knows doesn’t mean she doesn’t know.
As far as running things … of course she delegated her authority, but that doesn’t mean she wasn’t responsible for it.
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 6:00 PM
I’m here, Tinkerbell. But then you dismiss everyone as allegedly inferior to you, lie some more, and toss out another LOL.
troll fugue…
Janos Hunyadi on December 10, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Pretty much what I’m thinking.
The trolls seem out in force lately. Are they racing to meet year-end Soros mandated post quotas or something?
jarodea on December 10, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Is it true that voxpopuli is an Australian?
Crux Australis on December 10, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Let me point out some nuggets from the PPP poll:
1)Here is the party breakdown:
D: 39% R: 34% I:27%
This breakdown is clearly out of date as an increasingly number of former Republicans and Democrats have become independents, especially former conservative Republicans (the Tea Party crowd) who now call themselves CONSERVATIVE INDEPENDENTS. As Sarah Palin is probably a huge beneficiary here, her overall F/UF and indie F/UF definitely are underrepresented.
2)Regarding Independent F/UF there are two reasons I am skeptical that Obama’s are 46/47 and Palin’s are 39/54.
First Obama:
Here are the independent F for Obama for several recent polls:
1) CBS/NYT 43/41
2) Ipsos/McClatchy 41/55
3) Quinnpiac 37/51
4) Marist 41/44
5) Gallup 42
And here are Palin’s Indie F/UF from the CNN poll, the Fox News poll and a Rasmussen poll
1) CNN 50/50
2) Fox news 49/38
3) Rasmussen Nov 16 55/43
And PPP now reports that Palin’s indie F/UF are now 39/54, as opposed to 36/49 in Nov; in other words during the last 3 weeks of the Going Rogue tour Palin’s overall total among indies went down 2 points and that Obama currently has a 14 point overall lead over Palin among indie voters. Simply based on the above data I am not buying this for one second.
3)This is the 10th straight poll that PPP has touted Huck as the frontrunner (based on the head to head matchup); you would think as any reasonable person would by now that Huck’s overall F/UF would be way better than 35/35, much improved among independents and not 34/41, and certainly far better among the GOP than 57/14 and that the momentum of being in the lead for so long would have resulted in a bandwagon effect by now to improve his F and to lower his ‘not sure’ numbers. By the way Huck’s overall F went down by 1 point, his indie F went up by 2 points and his GOP F went down by 8 points over 3 weeks ago. You tell me with these kind of numbers aren’t you a bit suspicious that Huck is only trailing the Messiah by 1 point 46% to 45%?
4)Romney at 50% F with conservatives and 51% with the GOP still trails Palin by double digits in the 20′s (23 and 22 respectively). This will make it difficult for Mitt to gain the nomination with Palin leading in the base with this kind of margin. Of course if Huck split the vote with Palin and Mitt came up the middle then it is possible.
5)Mitt has dropped 12 points in female F in the last 60 days (39 to 27) and lost 10 points in indie F in the last 60 days (38 to 28). And can anyone explain to me how Mitt got only a 11 F among Hispanics while Huck got 26 and Palin 37?
6)Palin leads Huck in Hispanic F by 11 points (37 to 26) and Mitt by 26 points (37 to 11). This is one poll number that RINO’s want to bury, for part of their argument why Palin is not viable is that she does not play well to Hispanics. This info appears to dispute that.
technopeasant on December 10, 2009 at 6:03 PM
lol … voxpopuli has a new name: voxtinkerbelli
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Wow. This post seems to have struck a nerve. So here’s my two cents…we can’t seriously be pinning all our hopes on Huckabee and Palin. We need an outstanding candidate. Out. Stand. Ing. Neither one of them fits the bill. Tell me one thing that is outstanding about either of them. Because that’s what it is going to take to get us out of this mess we’re in. Unfortunately, by the time the next election rolls around we’ll be trillions of dollars deeper in debt. Thanks, Pelosi/Reid/Obama!
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Do you know what a “wife” is, troll? Do you understand Palin being married with five children? Is that what disturbs you so much? As a eunuch, these matters probably confuse you.
Janos Hunyadi on December 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Sounds like the powers that be are pushing Huck just like they pushed McCain.
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM
I think Palin is outstanding.
Sorry you don’t.
Frankly, NObama is such a disaster that the GOP could run Chuckles the Clown in 2012 and probably win.
America will be crying ABO-Anyone but Obama.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Geez … really? How sad for Australia.
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Well, you could be right. It doesn’t answer the question. Is she outstanding because she quit her post as governor? Is it because she wrote a book? Help me out here, I just don’t see it.
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Uh … Palin is willing to say what needs to be said and take the hits for it. That is something that hasn’t been seen in a politician in a long time.
Grit.
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Nope, she’s outstanding because of her personal history, her record of public service (as city council woman, mayor, Oil and Gas Commissioner and Governor), her continued popularity while in office and her obvious application of Conservative values and principles in office.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Oh, hell no!
elduende on December 10, 2009 at 6:15 PM
PopTech is that you?
Knucklehead on December 10, 2009 at 6:15 PM
But she was taking hits as governor and what happened? She quit. Don’t get me wrong, I admire the woman for her courage and determination and “grit” as you say, but presidential? Really? Think about this…if Obama thinks he inherited a mess, what do you think she’s going to be left with if elected? Oh my. This country is going to be so messed up after he’s through I don’t know that anyone will be able to fix it. And people think she’s the one to do it? I just don’t get why.
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Sarah Palin To Help Laura Ingraham’s Charity Auction For The Military
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/sarah-palin-to-help-laura-ingraham%E2%80%99s-charity-auction-for-the-military/
A Sweet And Special Moment With Sarah Palin
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/a-sweet-and-special-moment-with-sarah-palin/
gary4205 on December 10, 2009 at 6:20 PM
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM
I am not putting you down but with all due respect here is how politics work. First you have to establish your credentials as a major player on the A list to attract support and above all money. To now only Huck, Mitt and Palin have done this. Look at the various polls over the last several months-they always finish 1,2,3 in various orders. That is why I call them the Big 3, because as of now any of these folks could gain the nomination.
For someone to come in to the proceedings now, although it is early yet, that person would have to bleed away support from each candidate in theory to gain any traction and garner let’s say even 10%-15% of the vote like Gingrich did earlier in the year. Pawlenty appears to be the likely candidate for that but if you examine the PPP poll he has not gained any traction since he was polled by PPP in October. Sure in theory it’s possible but remember it all has to add up to 100% and with 3 viable candidates already there isn’t much more to go around.
NB: and you need not to look back any further than the WAPO poll on Republicans taken between Nov 19-23 which shows Palin, Huck and Romney 1,2 3. scalleyway, it would be a major news story if one of them fell out of the Big 3 but 2 of them I don’t think so.
technopeasant on December 10, 2009 at 6:20 PM
.and what was TEH WON’s?
(Occidental, Columbia, Harvard, any old transcript you happen to have laying around will do..)
VoyskaPVO on December 10, 2009 at 6:21 PM
..nah, mate, he just likes to bugger ‘roos.
VoyskaPVO on December 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM
The “quit” thing needs to be put to bed. Alaska is much different from the other states. When someone files a complaint against a governor, they must provide for their own defense. They have to pay, not the state. The democrats knew this and employed a strategy to keep her buried under ethics complaints and drive her to bankruptcy.
Being the shrewd and unpredictable person she is … she took away whatever advantage the democrats had by resigning. In doing so, she was freed to essentially do what she wanted … and what she wants is to do whatever she can to stop the democrats from destroying the United States. She will be the attack dog if necessary and she will take the hits. She said in her resignation speech that it doesn’t matter if she dies politically, she’ll do whatever needs to be done.
That my friend … is smart, determined and selfless. Grit.
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Admirable. But was Alaska in a complete state of disrepair when she took on those challenges though? Was it on the brink of ruin and in debt to the tune of trillions of dollars? Had it passed a stimulus bill that couldn’t be justified? Did they reform health care and give the state control? Was the unemployment rate over 10% and were banks crumbling? Was she trying to fight a war on terror? Did she face having to deal with a tyrant in Iran or address human rights? These are real issues that the next president is going to have to address.
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM
She can win. Just think back to when Bush beat Gore and the beatle hippy John Kerry.
The mantra is that she can’t win, Allahpundit will lead that charge for his liberal friends, including that girl with big mammary meat, Megan McCain.
Palin would be a great President or VP.
father on December 10, 2009 at 6:24 PM
It was more than just “taking hits.”
She was named in 15 different ethics violation charges.
It was bankrupting the state and Palin personally.
Palin was cleared, of course, in all 15 cases, but more were on the way.
Her political enemies, most funded by Obama, were making it literally impossible for her to serve as Governor and she had a $500,000 legal bill.
Her record and her executive experience speak more to her eligibility.
There’s no doubt she’s presidential.
She has far more executive experience than Obama and no one quibbles about whether he was “presidential.”
Sarah will know exactly what to do and has the wisdom and judgement to pick good people to help her if she doesn’t know personally, unlike Obowma.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 6:25 PM
I don,t care if you like Gov.Palin or not .Over the last 15 months if you compare the love affair coverage given Obama vs.the daily pounding given Palin by every news media outlet out there.For her to only be 6 points behind a sitting President like Obama tells me one thing.OBAMA IS IN DEEP DO DO!!!!!
thmcbb on December 10, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Research her record for her many successes in public office.
As for her policy positions, you need to read her Facebook Notes.
Sign up to become a Fan/Friend and enjoy it with the rest of us.
The lady is sharp and proposes practical solutions to current issues.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Fair enough. I keep watching and listening and maybe she can prove me wrong. It’s going to take one helluva leader to deal with the state our union in 2012. Lord knows we didn’t get one this time and our only real hope is the next election.
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Palin is already leading the Conservative opposition to Obama.
I repeat: Become a Fan/Friend of hers on Facebook.
She posts daily on her position on current issues.
In addition, she’s written op eds for the Washington Post, the WSJ and NRO.
Her Facebook posts have been quoted on front page stories in The Financial Times of London and NObama, as well as Algore, respond to her Facebook Notes.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Yep. Vox = Poptech. Same moron.
Hey Vox, could you post the resume of Wayne Allen Root again? It has been a while.
Norwegian on December 10, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Yeah … but do what Jenfidel suggested and research her record in Alaska. Palin is a natural administrator. She can figure out what to do, when to do it and who to get to make sure it gets done right. She uses people from both parties and is a tough boss.
She makes decisions. That’s what it’s all about.
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 6:34 PM
LOL said it once, said it a thousand times: The mind of a Quitter Fan . . . :D
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 6:34 PM
voxtinkerbelli! You’re back!
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 6:36 PM
It’s PopTech also known around these parts as PoopDeck.
He’s baaaaaack….
Knucklehead on December 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Jen, I finished reading her book and have made a decent effort to review her past and one thing continually amazes me: this woman consistently has the odds stacked against her by political adversaries, crony good ol’ boy Republicans, Democrats, and gad-fly, agenda-driven, media hags, and other nabobs of adversity and she continually outflanks them.
..she just flat continues to emerge victorious.
Frankly, aside from this, I would love to see her as president because she’ll make libs and commies and leftists heads explode..
..and I always did like the movie Scanners.
VoyskaPVO on December 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Hey asscrack, why don’t you tell that crap to the surviving members of the Alaska Defense Force who fought the Japanese that invaded Alaska in WWII?
Not only did the fight the Japanese, they did so without pay.
Ted Stevens worked his ass of to get these brave warriors at the very least, a pension. Which they had UNTIL OBAMA PERSONALLY denied them their just pay.
That’s right. First the Pentagon stopped paying these patriots, most who live rather modestly, then AS THEIR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF Sarah Palin signed into law temporary payment to these honored warriors, while Obama the treasonous lying bastard dithered. Obama finally said screw ‘em!
Despicable: Barack Obama Orders Pensions Cut Off To WWII Veterans
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/despicable-barack-obama-orders-pensions-cut-off-to-wwii-veterans/
The Alaska Defense Force is a federally recognized militia. They are what amounts to not only a reserve police force, but a first line military reserve unit.
Sarah Palin had command and control of the Alaska Defense Force as Governor.
For a loser like you to denigrate a proud force of fighting men just makes me sick!
Also, Sarah SHARED command and control of elements of the National Guard and Alaska Air Defense.
Russian aircraft routinely enter Alaskan airspace. In fact, the AAD has been decorated for it’s efforts in showing a number of Russian “Bear” bombers home in one instance.
While it’s obviously not announced, it’s thought by those who should know, that Palin’s national security clearance level was at minimum as high that of the top members of Congress on the national security committees. Which is quite high.
I love how you stupid trolls come on here and talk nonsense about things your tiny brains are incapable of comprehending.
gary4205 on December 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I’ll agree she is a potent force to be dealt with. Is she potent enough? Will she be taken seriously by foreign leaders? Hillary isn’t even taken seriously, it doesn’t appear. Iran laughs in our face. So does North Korea and Venezuela. The next president is going to be faced with more challenges than any other previous administration. They’d better be prepared. I don’t see her going to Afghanistan, (which will probably still be going strong in 2012 no matter what this administration claims) and getting any respect. There are more questions than answers.
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 6:40 PM
I’d love it if they would just move some where else…
BigWyo on December 10, 2009 at 6:43 PM
I wish Krauthammer would run. That’s a guy I could get behind. He has this uncanny ability to nail every issue that comes up. He’s too smart to run, though.
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Hey I just wanted to congratulate the Quitter Qampaign for such a wonderfully diverse, multicultural fanbase . . .
This appears to speak for itself:
Sarah’s got the Communist Bloc represented (or at least a Communist wanna-be, even better):
And, of course we’ve got our wonderful (illegal?) immigrant friend, whose unique insights never fail to refresh and challenge the reader:
So don’t believe what you’re told by the LameStream media: Sarah “Math Is Hard” Palin has quite the Big Tent indeed!
LOL
voxpopuli on December 10, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Was Ronald Reagan respected and feared as POTUS after the debacle of Jimmy Carter?
You betcha!
And Palin will come to the White House with about as much going for her as Reagan had going for him.
You’d better work on that negative, defeatist attitude, though.
In your world, we’re screwed no matter who we have as POTUS.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 6:45 PM
CUDA
Metro on December 10, 2009 at 6:46 PM
I don’t like Krauthammer all that much.
He’s a squish and not a real Conservative.
Your love for him, though, explains your inability to appreciate Sarah Palin.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 6:47 PM
I ALWAYS KNEW PALIN WAS A RINO!11!1!1! First Rubio, now Palin…
YOU’VE RUINED MY DAY ALLAAAAAH
:-(
NoStoppingUs on December 10, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I am not saying that the PPP numbers for Palin are corrct but let’s hypothetically say they are, how many politicians could come back from a 20 point deficit in March and in 9 months cut it to 6 points?
What any objective observer has to realize is Sarah Palin deserves to be in the Big 3, that Huck despite the protestations of many at HA appears still to be solid, and Mitt, the establishment candidate, remains ensconced by the Beltway and NE elites as long as dark horses like Pawlenty, Thune, Barbour, etc. does not gain traction.
technopeasant on December 10, 2009 at 6:52 PM
voxtinkerbelli … That was certainly a grand effort on your part but unfortunately it fell flat.
Excellent use of “strong” though!
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 6:55 PM
I’m asking questions…sorry you interpret that as being negative and defeatist. These were real problems when Obama was elected. Have any of them gotten any better? We just don’t need another costly mistake. I’m actually hopeful that we can find someone suitable to take the charge. If she’s it, so be it. But if she runs, she’d better be darn sure she’s capable to handle what she’s up against, unlike the guy that happened into office simply because people wanted change. This isn’t a celebrity contest, it’s our nation’s future. You’re entitled to your opinion that she’s up to the task, and so am I entitled to be skeptical.
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Huh?
This is a woman who constantly quotes Reagan’s thoughts on our enemies: “We win, they lose.”
She has skin in the game too, as her son is in the army and has already served in Iraq.
Past that, the military love her with the same passion they despise Obama. That alone is a HUGE moral boost and cannot be denied as a factor.
Sarah already has working relations with most of the Asian rim nations, as well as Russia, and most of Eastern Europe. (as Governor) Alaska does a lot of exporting, not just energy, either. Lots of fish up there and other goodies.
Anyhow, Sarah already knows how to deal with these people.
Sarah will be like Maggie Thatcher. They REALLY won’t want to test her.
gary4205 on December 10, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Ok, since you’ve got me all figured out, there’s nothing left to say. That’s why we have elections though, so people can vote for who they feel is the best candidate. You obviously think Palin is yours, so if she makes it to an election, go for it. I’ll keep watching and reading and listening. And hoping there comes another. Cheers! Off to work.
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Get back to me when you’ve read ALL of her Facebook Notes on the issues.
For those of us paying attention, we knew all about Obama before he was elected and knew he would be terrible.
In Sarah’s case, we know she can govern effectively and with the support of the voters, too.
Electing her to office won’t be near the gamble you portray it to be.
Come to that, electing anyone but an incumbent to POTUS is always a gamble.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Obama grew up smoking weed, snorting blow and writing about how shitty the US is.
Palin grew up in a frontier state, hunting, fishing and learning the values of self sufficiency … and loves her country and the men and women who defend it.
Who do you think they would take seriously?
darwin on December 10, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Well, at least I’m sure where she was born.
oldleprechaun on December 10, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Why don’t you find a new obsession? All you seem to do at this site is spam Palin threads. That’s creepy.
pseudoforce on December 10, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Voxstinkerbelli! &scaleywag sock puppets of PoopDeck? maybe?How many screen names can one person have?
Farfed on December 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM
I’ve been a HA commenter for about a year now. I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that the whole purpose of commenting on a blog was to create dialect and discussion and voice a difference of opinions and to read other peoples views on a variety of subjects. When it comes to Palin, though, lately it seems like if you don’t agree with the status quo you’re just an idiot troll or a sock puppet. Way to be open minded! I don’t care what anyone thinks about my opinion and I’ll state it again, I don’t think she’s a great choice to be our next president. Especially in light of the fact that now she appears to be raising the “birther” question and going on about Climategate as if we don’t have any problems with our planet whatsoever. The reality of it all is that whether there is global warming or not, and there are scientific studies that weigh on both sides, we need to be taking steps to reduce greenhouse gasses and CO2 even if all this warming stuff turns out to be bunk. We need to quit polluting our planet and find alternatives to fossil fuels and stop being dependent on foreign oil. You don’t need to be a lefty or a troll or a sock puppet to believe that. I have grandchildren. I want them to have a healthy planet to live on. What the hell is wrong with that?
scalleywag on December 10, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Quitters never win, Winners never quit…
disillusioned on December 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM
I’ve never seen you before today.
That being said, I know I haven’t responded to you by calling you a troll or a sock puppet, although with your contentiousness, it’s tempting.
She didn’t raise the birther question.
Maybe we don’t.
But that’s not what she said: She acknowledged the reality of Climate Change and cited her own leadership by establishing a Climate Change Committee as Governor of Alaska.
There is no evidence that “greenhouse gases” and CO2 are causing the as-yet-to-established problem.
No one is more in favor of domestic drilling and using alternative sources like nuclear than Palin and no one is more against them than Obama.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM
She didn’t quit: Governor Palin resigned.
The quitter meme is tired.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 8:31 PM
+∞
disillusioned on December 10, 2009 at 8:38 PM
So, why in your mind does that post have such profundity?
And why would you expect a substantive response to your short, trolly post?
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 8:40 PM
either or, that’s going to be a hard selling point for independent voters if the ex-governor decides to run for office again.
disillusioned on December 10, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Most of us have moved on from her July decision to resign.
Palin began posting on Facebook shortly thereafter.
She now has over 1,000,000 Fans there.
And among the thousands showing up for her book signings are independents as well as Hillary/PUMA Democrats.
Your scoffing is for nought.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 8:44 PM
I never expected a response for this. I found it interesting to see a different opinion expressed, of which I agree with, that didn’t contain an ad hominem comment against another poster.
disillusioned on December 10, 2009 at 8:48 PM
I sincerely try not to resort to ad hominems unless I’m driven to it.
The “Palin’s a quitter” meme is close to that for me.
If you can’t move past her resignation as Governor, without understanding why she was put in that position by Obama’s operatives, then a serious discussion of her as a presidential candidate isn’t really possible.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 8:52 PM
BTW, while scalleywag’s comment didn’t contain an ad hominem comment against one single poster, he basically implied that ALL posters here that disagreed with him were ad hominem attacks, which they were not.
Very nasty.
Do you want to praise that?
And of course, you want to dwell on the “Palin’s a quitter” meme precisely so that you can stop consideration of her as a serious presidential candidate.
Jenfidel on December 10, 2009 at 9:01 PM
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