Jimbo3 on December 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Just wanted to get this on the record even if you never read it.

You have proven my point once again that you are completely ignorant on the subject of abortion. You say that the sources you use to “prove your facts” is wikipedia. Wikipedia, in case you havn’t heard, is an internet free-for-all where ANYONE can post anything and that’s that. I wouldn’t let a first grader use wikipedia as a source for cathing cottontail rabbits.

Let’s just take your number of 1.4% of abortions being perpetrated after 21 weeks. That’s only 16,926 for the entire country. Priests for Life says that the abortion industry’s own statistic says it’s 19,650, almost 3,000 more lives snuffed out. If almost 20,000 one-day old infants were murdered every year in this country, what would you say about that?

Also, the abortionists are liars before they even get around to the murdering part. They have censored the truth about their savagery since 1973 and certainly will not tell the truth about abortions after 20-21 weeks because that is when people are more informed about the baby’s full development and they would be horrified to know how common it is.

And, as I said, the abortion mill that I sidewalk counsel at does about 5,000 second trimester abortions per year. About 1/3 of those are after 20-21 weeks. That is 1,500 post 20-21 week abortions in ONE LOCATION only in the USA.

Now, there are about 1500 abortion locations in the USA.
According to the abortion promoting Guttmacher Institute, about 20% do second trimester abortions. That is 300 abortion mills. If we give them a very low estimate average of only 500 abortions after 20-21 weeks, that would come out 150,000 per year. And that is being conservative.

So, Jimbo, I think you are projecting a little when you accuse me of twisting words. Your statitistics, as well as your morals are twisted when it comes to defending helpless fetuses (remember, I told you that word is Latin, for “Little ones”). As far as twisting words when I sidewalk counsel, well, I can give you the testimony of many happy mothers and fathers as they hold their children in their arms and speak about the lies they were told by the abortionists and how grateful they are that they spoke to me on the fateful day that their baby hung in the balance between life and death.

They deal with life, and the case for protecting it because it is created by God.

englishqueen01 on December 11, 2009 at 12:21 PM

–If everything created by God deserves protecting, how can you eat animals?

22 ‘If people, when brawling, hurt a pregnant woman and she suffers a miscarriage but no further harm is done, the person responsible will pay compensation as fixed by the woman’s master, paying as much as the judges decide.
23 If further harm is done, however, you will award life for life,
24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stroke for stroke.

And none of those Bible passages deals with abortion.

They deal with life, and the case for protecting it because it is created by God.

And here’s your opportunity to show us which passages support abortion. Unless you do, your Biblical argument is – like so many other aspects of your position on abortion – based on a lie.

Next, are you saying that a pre-born baby at 20+ weeks is not considered to be in the second trimester of development? Because it is very much in the second trimester, and as I noted in an earlier post, an abortion mill that I sidewalk counsel at perpetrates about 5,000 second trimester abortions yearly at that one location. There are more than 250,000 second trimester abortions (babies killed in months 4-6) in the U.S. annually. Hardly “rare” or “very uncommon

–I am saying that abortions after twenty weeks are very rare, not second trimester abortions. Read my words. To support my facts:

From Wikipedia: United States: In 2003, from data collected in those areas that sufficiently reported gestational age, it was found that 6.2% of abortions were conducted from 13 to 15 weeks, 4.2% from 16 to 20 weeks, and 1.4% at or after 21 weeks.

Do you play fast and loose with the truth to the people that you sidewalk counsel the same way you twisted my words?
And none of those Bible passages deals with abortion.

Only 6-8 weeks…I’ve got news for them. That ain’t no random clump of cells. Abortion, at every stage, is murder. Planned Parenthood, YOU LIE!

They need to be defunded, NOW!

A nation that kills its own children, is a nation without hope.

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Jimbo, Jimbo, Jimbo. Are you saying that the terms “very uncommon” and “rare” are not synonyms? I don’t think that using the word “rare” in place of “very uncommon” could be remotely construed as twisting your words by most reasonable standards.

Next, are you saying that a pre-born baby at 20+ weeks is not considered to be in the second trimester of development? Because it is very much in the second trimester, and as I noted in an earlier post, an abortion mill that I sidewalk counsel at perpetrates about 5,000 second trimester abortions yearly at that one location. There are more than 250,000 second trimester abortions (babies killed in months 4-6) in the U.S. annually. Hardly “rare” or “very uncommon”.

And, if you saying that you don’t find photos of the smaller, first trimester aborted babies “offensive”, (although I question too, what you are “offended” by, specifically – do you find photos of Nazi death camp victims “offensive” – this word you use implies that it is more about you than them),could you elaborate on why you are not “offended” and also let us know if photos of second or third trimester killings are “offensive” to you, and if so, why.

As to your puzzling reference to Biblical truth on abortion, englishqueen01 has you at check and checkmate. If you are a pro-abort, the Bible is the last place you will find support for abortion.

Finally, I again wonder if photos of your dismembered relatives would “offend” you, and if so, why. They are no more or less human than a pre-born, just in a different stage of development and age. And, I again wonder why you are so punishingly pro-abort and why you are so short on factual knowledge.

P.S. englishqueen01, you’re a great tag-team partner. I think poor ol’ Jimbo is getting Roe-a-doped! :)

I pray that you find true Biblical-based truth on abortion. Because it looks like you need to twist what I write in order to personally attack me and my positions because your positions are so weak logically and Biblically.

Oh, please, professor of theology, tell me where the Bible condones or otherwise permits abortion in any way, shape, or form.

Because I clearly remember several passages that stand in contradiction to that assertion:

Isaiah 49:1 – “The LORD called me from birth, from my mother’s womb he gave me my name.”

Psalm 139:13 – “You formed my inmost being; you knit me in my mother’s womb.”

Isaiah 44:2 – “Thus says the LORD who made you, your help, who formed you from the womb: Fear not, O Jacob, my servant, the darling whom I have chosen.”

Psalm 71:6 – “On you I depend since birth; from my mother’s womb you are my strength; my hope in you never wavers.”

Deuteronomy 30:19-20 – “I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live, by loving the LORD, your God, heeding his voice, and holding fast to him.”

Genesis 35:11 – “God also said to him: ‘I am God Almighty; be fruitful and multiply.’”

And Psalm 128 – “A song of ascents. Happy are all who fear the LORD, who walk in the ways of God. What your hands provide you will enjoy; you will be happy and prosper: Like a fruitful vine your wife within your home, Like olive plants your children around your table. Just so will they be blessed who fear the LORD. May the LORD bless you from Zion, all the days of your life That you may share Jerusalem’s joy and live to see your children’s children. Peace upon Israel!”

No where does it say abortion is a moral good or that life is an imposition.

I’ve looked at early abortion pictures and don’t find them offensive. Sorry tigerlily. I will pray for you to find God. You apparently are deluded into thinking you have.

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 4:16 AM

Let’s try this again, little man. Do you think you would “find it offensive” of the photos of a butchered human were of you?

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So much of what you have posted here, if not everything, is factually incorrect. With all due respect, I wonder why you know so little about this subject, but speak so feverishly about it anyway.

tigerlily on December 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM

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I do forgive you, tigerlily. With due respect, I never said second-trimester abortions were rare. I said abortions at 20+ weeks were very uncommon (or something similar). If you want to twist my words, fine. But don’t then accuse my twisted words of being factually incorrect. I said early term abortion pictures were not offensive. You changed that language like conservatives say liberals do and then insulted me. I pray that you find true Biblical-based truth on abortion. Because it looks like you need to twist what I write in order to personally attack me and my positions because your positions are so weak logically and Biblically.

priestsforlife also has links to photos of aborted babies, information on post abortion counseling and testimony of women who have gone through abortion and what “choice” has done to them.

Yes, I am aware of the good work of Fr. Pavone and Priests for Life.

Funny thing is, pro-abortion folks will never acknowledge the women who suffer from abortions. Further proof they really don’t care about women, just getting rich off killing babies.

Moloch would be proud.

Lime 5, written by Mark Crutcher, exposes and destroys the second great pillar of lies which supports the abortion industry. …

http://www.priestsforlife.org/lime5.html

priestsforlife also has links to photos of aborted babies, information on post abortion counseling and testimony of women who have gone through abortion and what “choice” has done to them.

englishqueen gives us ladies one more reason
to say it proud: “Right Wing Women Rock”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6-RlQmu4o

John Stossel was the first man to ever become pregnant; it’s true just ask Planned Parenthood when they tried to get a woman using his urine sample to have an abortion.

Lime 5, read it, it’s a book.

I’d really be interesting in a link to that.

You may be double englishqueen’s age and then some, but she has got double your intellect, as well as having double the wisdom. I applaud her and wish her to grow ever stronger as a righteous warrior for the unborn, and for our culture, where children used to be treasured, and large families were the norm.

Thank you for the kind words.

As I said earlier, I believe I’m right. I know I’m right. There isn’t a doubt in my mind that being pro-life is the correct way to live. The fact that my faith has proved to be prophetic in the rise of the grave evil of abortion only cements my belief that abortion is wrong. Jimbo’s invective does not make me feel bad, belittled, or ashamed of my position.

The fact that I am personally attacked by people who think killing babies is a good thing only solidifies my position further; if calling me a drama queen or stupid or immature opens the eyes of a woman considering abortion and stops her, so be it. Mock me all you want because it will only let the mask slip a little further to reveal the grotesque ugliness that lurks under the facade of “pro-choice” rhetoric. I know the criticisms of Mrs. Duggar pushed me from being a liberal to a conservative. The anger radiating from the left will continue to turn people off to their cause.

I’ve given birth to two children, saw (and felt) them moving and breathing on the ultrasounds I received, and sucking thumbs in the womb. I know someone who adopted a baby scheduled to be aborted – every time I see an update on this child it takes my breath away to think that child could have been killed.

I was also born on the 10th “anniversary” of Roe v. Wade, so I – like my contemporaries – realize there was NOTHING standing between us and an abortionist’s hand except for our mother’s desire to give us life. A significant number of our peers were not so lucky.

And while I hate to reduce people to dollars and cents, I don’t understand how people can rationalize the fact that there are about 35 million missing adults that could be helping to make America great, including paying taxes, running businesses, treating the ill as doctors, serving our nation in the armed forces. They are gone because of abortion – something Democrats support with every fiber of their being – and then Democrats wonder why Social Security, Medicare, and other government programs are failing? They created a massive gap between pre- and post- contraception generations, where there are something like 2 Baby Boomers who’ll be drawing on Social Security for every 1 person working to pay into the system.

The impact of abortion does not stop with the woman. It creates a ripple effect that radiates throughout all of society. I will not support something so destructive.

tigerlily on December 10, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Brilliant,someone should pose this question to Herr Obama.

inevitable on December 10, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Yes, and all the rest of his cabal of ghouls, demons and degenerates.

Let’s try this again, little man. Do you think you would “find it offensive” of the photos of a butchered human were of you?

tigerlily on December 10, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Brilliant,someone should pose this question to Herr Obama.

Lime 5, read it, it’s a book.

You strike me as a know it all. I understand where you’re coming from, but I generally listened more and spoke less when I was your age. I don’t blame you for your age. But I do blame you for thinking you know it all and telling everyone what to do.

How many times have you been out of Milwaukee (Brookfield and Wauwatosa don’t count)?

Answer to your question: I think no one in their right minds would want the cost and responsibility of sixteen kids.

Jimbo3 on December 10, 2009 at 1:52 PM

You may be double englishqueen’s age and then some, but she has got double your intellect, as well as having double the wisdom. I applaud her and wish her to grow ever stronger as a righteous warrior for the unborn, and for our culture, where children used to be treasured, and large families were the norm.

By the way, just because you won’t admit what a freshman in high school learns, that human life begins at conception, doesn’t mean we all have to let you think you have us fooled. You also mentioned the word fetus, and said that another poster should know what it means. Do you know what it means? I don’t think you do. It is a term that measures the age of a human being in their trajectory of development.
Much like the term child is used for a human being from about one year to 12 years. Adolescent is a term for a human being in the years from 13 to 19. Adult is the term used for a human being in the years from twenty onward. Geriatric is a term for a human being after the age of 65.
None of these terms makes a human less human. Fetus is a term used for a human being approximately six months before and up to birth. It is a latin word, and far from dehumanizing the preborn human being, as it is used today by abortion pushers, it was chosen probably for it’s beauty and affection for the anticipated birth. It translates into english as “Little one” or “Young one”.

So much of what you have posted here, if not everything, is factually incorrect. With all due respect, I wonder why you know so little about this subject, but speak so feverishly about it anyway.