Gore responds to Palin on climate change: “It’s like gravity. It exists.”

posted at 4:16 pm on December 9, 2009 by Allahpundit

Don’t be daunted by the length. His comments on Palin and Climategate, replete with lies about how old the e-mails are, come within the first four minutes. (The Goracle’s never been good with guesstimates.) The left’s been breathing into a paper bag since last night over WaPo’s decision to run her op-ed, but Gore’s response here is comparatively restrained. Instead of grandstanding for his base by calling her a yokel or whatever, he sticks to his argument and declines to attack her personally. Presumably that’s because he’s a bit more politically savvy than his carbon-belching pals at Copenhagen and would rather not make this more of a partisan issue than it already is. Or maybe he simply doesn’t want to alienate someone like Palin who accepts that climate change is happening and even concedes that man may be contributing to it. She could be useful to him eventually in forging a consensus that global warming is real, even if the debate over its chief cause will rage on.

For the moment, however, the message machine is preoccupied with the scandal du jour:

COPENHAGEN — “Climategate” has muddied the good green message that was supposed to come out of the United Nations climate change talks here, forcing leaders to spend time justifying the science behind global warming when they want to focus on ending it…

“I think this is a completely annoying distraction,” added Kim Carstensen, leader of the World Wildlife Fund’s Global Climate Initiative. “It’s very clear that this has been done to discredit climate research. … It’s a bluff. There’s nothing in it; it’s just a huge distraction.”…

“It’s another Internet frenzy thing,” Goldmark told POLITICO Wednesday. “These things get a life, and they reproduce themselves like little bacteria. … Our attitude is, it’s the same old stuff from the same old people, and it doesn’t change the science at all. None of the NGOs pay a lot of attention to it.”

Actually, the most interesting exchange here isn’t the Palin or Climategate, it’s Gore’s palpable disappointment at around 11:45 that The One decided to make ObamaCare the focus of his first year instead of cap and trade. That’s good political sense — health care has been the left’s top domestic priority for ages and it’s always stood a better chance of getting through the Senate than C&T — but like George Will said yesterday, if Earth truly is in the balance then what the hell are they doing putting this off until next year? How much of a crisis can it really be?

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I really want to see a Lord Monckton v. Gore debate.

Gore is a bloated joke. When was he ever an expert on global temperatures?

cubachi on December 9, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Ooohhh, yeah!

But never gonna happen.

Lord Monckton really knows his stuff (unlike Al), has credibility (unlike Al), and the guy is a frickin riot (unlike Al).

After seeing him on Beck’s show (with John Bolton), he would have Fat Albert huffing and puffing on stage far worse than W. ever did. Al would probably wet himself, then run off to his idling limo, to take him to his private jet, to take him to his safe spot in his eco-unfriendly mansion far, far away from the evil denier.

red winger on December 9, 2009 at 4:50 PM

weren’t you the moron that said that NO ONE would ever stand up to the government nor the military?

How old are you again?

upinak on December 9, 2009 at 4:46 PM

And weren’t you the dumb whore who said the US military would never shoot American women and children?

You’re clearly not old enough to know better.

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Some one like Inhofe needs to start throwing out words like ‘prosecute’, ‘serious prison time’, ‘federal charges’ and ‘huge fines’.

It would be interesting to see how many in the Church of ALGore blink and start squealing on these goddamn frauds.

BigWyo on December 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM

“hide the increase”

jwolf on December 9, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Heh. +1

Abby Adams on December 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM

You might want to try reading posts before you go around calling people “idiots”.

All i said was that if mankind tried to destroy itself with nukes, it could. If you can point to where I said the Earth would dry up and blow away, please do so.

If you can’t, than STFD and STFU until you learn to read for comprehension.

Dumbass.

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Pot meet Kettle….

I would suggest you go back and read what you wrote there as many were knocking you down. Short Stuff.

upinak on December 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Gore’s voice tone is the same monotone as Obama. Obama said that he learned that if he didn’t move too quickly, then white people wouldn’t get scared of him. Gore is smart to not use his “he played upon our fears” ranting tone. Gore has found out from Obama that his lies are more believable if he presents himself as a moderate unemotional thinker. There will be a special place in hell for these two contemptuous liars.

mydh12 on December 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Yeah it is like the earth’s gravity, neither are man made.

LevStrauss on December 9, 2009 at 4:53 PM

if Earth truly is in the balance then what the hell are they doing putting this off until next year? How much of a crisis can it really be?

Same holds true for health care. It’s a crisis, 14,000 people lose their insurance every day, people are dying, we can’t wait any longer, the time is now, blah, blah, blah.

It kicks in when, 2013?

Jackassery.

fogw on December 9, 2009 at 4:53 PM

He’s making good money off the ignorance of the American people.

Asher on December 9, 2009 at 4:23 PM

That’s what all Democrats do. He’s almost as unusually good at it as his former boss in the White House.

Del Dolemonte on December 9, 2009 at 4:54 PM

I am SO glad that Bush won. Imagine if he had been president. We’d have cap and trade and no economy.

KillerKane on December 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Excuse me Allahpundit. Please see the post listed above.

canditaylor68 on December 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Nope, not buyin’ it. Here in the NE I can’t go out wearing my bathing suit, sunscreen and we are not playing with sand or going to the beach, along with the whole city.

Our Steelers are wearing their waist belts with hand warmers inside? Long sleeves? Nope, not buyin’ it.

No snow which is kickas$ awesome, only enough to make several snowballs. The worst is yet to come, only from the other direction. It is awesome, because many small businesses that usually shut down for the season are getting extra customers in extra days.

ProudPalinFan on December 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

algore must think gravity is man made, too.

tinkerthinker on December 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM

The sky is falling, the sky is falling pass crap and tax before we all die.
Liberals are a bunch of idiots. Al Gore is stupid for trying to take on Palin. Gore is not going to win a debate against facts with her. Now he’s going to ignore Palin when she calls him out again. He’ll start dodging like Zero’s head bobbing.

Brat4life on December 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM

“That is not science, that is religion with math equations.”

Time for a RICO case against Al Gore…

Seven Percent Solution on December 9, 2009 at 4:57 PM

KillerKane on December 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Killer, we probably wouldn’t have had a country. After all, it only takes an efficient delivery system to destroy the country with nukes. :grin:

ConservativeTony on December 9, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Global Warming model (mean earth temperature):
T(t,c) = 66*1.005*t where t is time and c is carbon.

WashJeff on December 9, 2009 at 4:25 PM

nice. bwahahahaha. but you forgot the relation to pixie dust…

Fighton03 on December 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Apparently Mr. Gore hasn’t read Carl Sagan’s book, A Demon Haunted World.

In it Sagan writes a neat parable about proof and the proper response when little exist.

A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage

Suppose I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you’d want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!
“Show me,” you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle–but no dragon.

“Where’s the dragon?” you ask.

“Oh, she’s right here,” I reply, waving vaguely. “I neglected to mention that she’s an invisible dragon.” …

chimney sweep on December 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Global warming hoax= a figment of man’s vain search for Utopia

technopeasant on December 9, 2009 at 5:01 PM

ProudPalinFan on December 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Just think, without that natural occuring warming cycle of the planet we would all be 33C(59F) degrees colder right now.

canditaylor68 on December 9, 2009 at 5:01 PM

“Climategate” has muddied the good green message that was supposed to come out of the United Nations climate change talks here, forcing leaders to spend time justifying the science behind global warming when they want to focus on ending it…

At least Politico can admit that these guys are trying to put an end to what we’ve known as science.

Jim Treacher on December 9, 2009 at 5:02 PM

If Al passed high school science it was a teacher gift. He made more stupid statements in that audio than can be counted. By the way Al the temperature of the earth core is not several million degrees.

duff65 on December 9, 2009 at 5:03 PM

So now we’re going to have Gore’s first law of heat generation or something? GMAB.

EconomicNeocon on December 9, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Those global warming idiots may now come shovel the 14+ inches of snow off my driveway BEFORE it gets to -1 tonight.

Or, just shut up.

tcn on December 9, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Lies exist. That doesn’t make them true.

Gore’s religion of Scientism does not tolerate empirical science and relies upon dogma BASED UPON FRAUD that can not be questioned.

It’s like gravity. It fluctuates according to physics.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

maverick muse on December 9, 2009 at 5:05 PM

We should be grateful to Mr. Gore – his promotion of cap and trade and other wealth transfer schemes antagonized far more people than it attracted. He made it fail spectacularly long before Climategate.

KillerKane on December 9, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Well, duh, Al. Climate change has existed for longer than humans have existed. But how, exactly, do we separate the climate change that man causes from the climate change that was going to occur naturally?

Would we have been in the ice age predicted by the big brains in the 70s, if not for manmade emissions? If so, well, good for us! Would we have been in a hothouse without the hole in the ozone layer? For all we know, man’s contributions to the climate are making it more stable, not less stable.

hawksruleva on December 9, 2009 at 5:10 PM

And Palin was too stupid to be V.P….

Al Gore: his incisive scientific wit slicing again like a hammer to the heart of the physics.

notropis on December 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM

The only man made global warming round here is coming out of Al Gore’s butt. When will this waste of dna just go away?

Am I too harsh?

Scotsman on December 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM

And they said Bush was a moron.
Do you folks remember how dangerously close we came to this man being the 43rd president?!?!

ToddonCapeCod on December 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Hmmm… last I heard, gravity was a natural occurrence of the earth.

ErinF on December 9, 2009 at 5:15 PM

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 4:51 PMJohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Very compelling arguments, I bet you were the debate captain in school.

Cindy Munford on December 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Gloom, despair and agony on me,
Deep down depression-
excessive misery,
If it weren’t for Bad Luck,
I’d have no luck at all,
Gloom, despair and agony on meeeeeee!

CynicalOptimist on December 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Earth life is carbon based. Life is dangerous, and Gore increased the real dangers in life: FRAUD and authoritarianism.

Gore assumes that carbon is evil. Gore’s dogma would destroy the earth and all carbon based life forms in order to save it.

Like banning DDT from third world countries with mass populations dying from malaria in order to save the impoverished starving ill masses from survival.

The same with capitalism, Bush ending his presidency saying he had to destroy capitalism in order to save it, issuing his executive order creating the Treasury Czar and demand for TARP.

The same with the Constitution. Revisionists claim they must dissolve the Constitution in order to save America.

And of course universal EugeniCare, the Feds owning your DNA, costing more to provide less with more corruption.

Delusional.

maverick muse on December 9, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Can someone please send some AGW to South Chicagoland???? Pronto!!!

WashJeff on December 9, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Al Gore said the arctic icecap will completely disappear in within ten years. I’d love to make a bet with him on that. I’d give him any time period within 20 years, just in case he was fudging the numbers for the sake of theatrics.

hawksruleva on December 9, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Gravity’s pull on Al Gore could certainly be described with a hockey stick graph.

Ronnie on December 9, 2009 at 5:20 PM

notropis on December 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Fred Thompson reflected that cynicism right back to the point of origin, Obama’s camp: Napolitano, just a Gov., Obama appointing her to Chair the DHS, responsible for everyone’s security, yet totally inept and incompetent.

maverick muse on December 9, 2009 at 5:22 PM

I just can’t listen to that nincompoop. Yea yea yea, I know, “know thy enemy” (rhetorically speaking of course) and all that stuff. But he tells such whopper lies, with such a condescending tone, I fear that I’ll snap and before I can catch myself I’d smash my computer to bits.

Oh, I’ll admit he’s smart. He sure has a lot of people believing in this. But is he smart enough to know it’s a farce?

Now way back when, when I was a wee lad, we were taught about how the lakes were formed from receding glaciers etc. What do you supposed caused those glaciers to retreat then? SUV driving cave men? hint hint… Change happens due to natural causes.

While I’m on a rant here; This whole CO2 proclamation by the EPA should demonstrate to anyone with more than a 4th grade education just nuts people get with unrestrained power.

hoakie on December 9, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Well, he’s right in that it is physics, but not in the way he means.

Bob's Kid on December 9, 2009 at 5:24 PM

I really want to see a Lord Monckton v. Gore debate.

Gore is a bloated joke. When was he ever an expert on global temperatures?

cubachi on December 9, 2009 at 4:35 PM

There are tons of educated folks who would cream Al Gore in a debate on climate science. How about the guy in charge of the IPCC? He’s an engineer, not a climate scientist. Turns out that a lot of the “experts” have no background in climate studies.

hawksruleva on December 9, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Al Gore said the arctic icecap will completely disappear in within ten years. I’d love to make a bet with him on that. I’d give him any time period within 20 years, just in case he was fudging the numbers for the sake of theatrics.

That would be a great bet. I’d take him up on that one. Especially in the past couple years it has been getting deeper and deeper. Heck, give him 50 years.

BetseyRoss on December 9, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Basically, Gore’s mouth and his sphincter are interchangeable. The same substances come out of both holes.

JEM on December 9, 2009 at 5:31 PM

“I can see gravity from my backyard.” — Sarah Palin

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Palin’s deflating the Democrats. They’re all falling to earth. It’s like, you know, gravity.

JellyToast on December 9, 2009 at 5:33 PM

“I’d like to see your backyard, homina homina.” — Al Gore

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:33 PM

For all we know, man’s contributions to the climate are making it more stable, not less stable.

hawksruleva on December 9, 2009 at 5:10 PM

That’s it, regarding our species, we adapt with change to survive new challenges.

As Fred pointed out, no one in their right mind ever imagined that creating the EPA to clean auto emissions would ever grow to become the fraud attempting to own the earth and all its inhabitants via the global warming mutations of false science.

It took the silver spooned village idiot Gore, who flunked out of college, and all his greedy research funded Ivy fiends to concoct the lie that just keeps lying, permeating global education, media, governments and now the world’s only ‘ACCEPTABLE’ industries and investments.

maverick muse on December 9, 2009 at 5:34 PM

“Given its mass, my backyard has plenty of gravity.” — Michele Obama

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:34 PM

“Michele you tranny ape, nothing beats the gravity of a black hole.” — Bawney Fwank

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Gravity’s pull on Al Gore could certainly be described with a hockey stick graph.

Ronnie on December 9, 2009 at 5:20 PM

bwahahahaha

maverick muse on December 9, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Al Gore reminds me more and more of a really ugly rodent every day.

ReneePA on December 9, 2009 at 5:35 PM

“I’m no stranger to holes, Bawney, but I think I’ll pass. (I’ll get those digits if you got ‘em, though, Miz Michele Thing).” — Tiger Woods

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:36 PM

And weren’t you the dumb whore who said the US military would never shoot American women and children?

You’re clearly not old enough to know better.

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Dude, that is way over the top.

Monica on December 9, 2009 at 5:36 PM

“I can see gravity from my backyard.” — Sarah Palin

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:32 PM

‘vox’ continues his streak of posts with no informational content: only lies, juvenile insults, and talking points

congrats, moron

Janos Hunyadi on December 9, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Governor Palin has responded to Al Gore:

Steven Hayward has a great article in The Weekly Standard on the Climategate scandal. Be sure to check it out.

The response to my op-ed by global warming alarmists has been interesting. Former Vice President Al Gore has called me a “denier” and informs us that climate change is “a principle in physics. It’s like gravity. It exists.”

Perhaps he’s right. Climate change is like gravity – a naturally occurring phenomenon that existed long before, and will exist long after, any governmental attempts to affect it.

However, he’s wrong in calling me a “denier.” As I noted in my op-ed above and in my original Facebook post on Climategate, I have never denied the existence of climate change. I just don’t think we can primarily blame man’s activities for the earth’s cyclical weather changes.

Former Vice President Gore also claimed today that the scientific community has worked on this issue for 20 years, and therefore it is settled science. Well, the Climategate scandal involves the leading experts in this field, and if Climategate is proof of the larger method used over the past 20 years, then Vice President Gore seriously needs to consider that their findings are flawed, falsified, or inconclusive.

Vice President Gore, the Climategate scandal exists. You might even say that it’s sort of like gravity: you simply can’t deny it.

- Sarah Palin

Enoxo on December 9, 2009 at 5:36 PM

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Excuse me Allahpundit. Please see the post listed above.

canditaylor68 on December 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

I thought he only banned people who insulted Manchelle Michelle Obama.

Monica on December 9, 2009 at 5:38 PM

“Sorry, you only do blondes, sweetie.” — Tiger’s Wife

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:38 PM

vox’ continues his streak of posts with no informational content: only lies, juvenile insults, and talking points

congrats, moron

Janos Hunyadi on December 9, 2009 at 5:36 PM

“I am as humorless as the emptyhead I support for President.” — Anus Hyundai

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Gosh, and to think I once believed Algore to be nothing more than a pompous, ignorant jackass! He’s sooooo smart!!!!

uncalheels on December 9, 2009 at 5:41 PM

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Classy? Can you make a post without cursing?

Johan Klaus on December 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Classy? Can you make a post without cursing?

Johan Klaus on December 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM

LOL Like you’d ever say that to one of your fellow Palin sycophants, there, Klausie. Hypocrite much? LOL

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:45 PM

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:36 PM

We have got some classy and racist ones tonight folks.

Johan Klaus on December 9, 2009 at 5:46 PM

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Misspell much?

Johan Klaus on December 9, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Is Gore trying to say that gravity is caused by man? Actually, I think there’s quite a bit of evidence to support that. I gained 5 lbs this year, and I suspect it was man-made cookies that did it. Gravity: the earth sucks.

starboardhelm on December 9, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Forrest Gump Gore is right gravity does exist. The proof is Gore him self, the gravity has taken such a hold on his tiny little brain that it has flattened!

Confederate on December 9, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Homogenization, its like gravity, it really does exist.

The scale and the quantity of liberal lies may have reached unprecedented levels.

Maybe they’re trying the Mexican border version of the bums rush, if the sling enough crap it has to land on someones sandwich or maybe the libs want to get all of it past us stupid stupid little people by baffling us with bullsh!t.

Chaos, dancing with dipsh!ts.

Speakup on December 9, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Apparently Mr. Gore hasn’t read Carl Sagan’s book, A Demon Haunted World.

In it Sagan writes a neat parable about proof and the proper response when little exist.

“A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage”

Suppose I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you’d want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!
“Show me,” you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle–but no dragon.

“Where’s the dragon?” you ask.

“Oh, she’s right here,” I reply, waving vaguely. “I neglected to mention that she’s an invisible dragon.” …

chimney sweep on December 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Gore has also haven’t read “Flim Flam” by James “The Amazing” Randi.

A man goes to a psychiatrist and says, “I am convinced I am dead and nothing you can say will disprove it.”

The psychiatrist asks, “Does a dead man bleed?”

The man replies, “Of course, not.”

The psychiatrist takes a needle and pricks the man finger. As the man stares at the drop of blood he says, “I was wrong. Dead men do bleed.”

AaronGuzman on December 9, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Or maybe he simply doesn’t want to alienate someone like Palin who accepts that climate change is happening and even concedes that man may be contributing to it. She could be useful to him eventually in forging a consensus that global warming is real, even if the debate over its chief cause will rage on.

Dream on allah dream on. Palin is playing chess while you play checkers.

unseen on December 9, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Gravity is defined by various theory but they are not the final word, only theories. So yes, it’s like gravity because the debate on the nature of gravity continues.

Thanos on December 9, 2009 at 5:56 PM

racist
Johan Klaus on December 9, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Thank you, Al Sharpton. LOL

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Allah, I thought that this thread was supposed to be about Gore; instead it has turned to posters making racist rants with sexual innuendo.

Johan Klaus on December 9, 2009 at 6:05 PM

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Do you support green communism?

Johan Klaus on December 9, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Sarah smacks back at Gore:

Vice President Gore, the Climategate scandal exists. You might even say that it’s sort of like gravity: you simply can’t deny it.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/the-washington-post-op-ed-and-response-to-climate-change-and-gravity/193694168434

kcarpenter on December 9, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Yeah it is like the earth’s gravity, neither are man made.

LevStrauss on December 9, 2009 at 4:53 PM

QOTD

chunderroad on December 9, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Face it, Al Gore. The AGW fraud has been discovered. First the real science behind it did not add up. Now the Climategate emails show why the science did not add up – because it was a fraud. The more you try to justify it just digs you deeper into the hole, and hopefully criminal charges. You supported the fraud because you planned to reap billions off of the backs of the rest of us. The gig is up. Maybe it is time to flee to Argentina or Brazil and seek political asylum.

MeAlice on December 9, 2009 at 6:21 PM

“Michele you tranny ape, nothing beats the gravity of a black hole.” — Bawney Fwank

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:35 PM

This seems to violate a rule I remember hearing something about. Anyone know what I am referring to?

Brian1972 on December 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Did anyone catch Obama sneaking into Gore’s body for a second? She asked about fudging the evidence…why would they do it if the science is so unequivical?

Gore: I don’t think they did, but I haven’t read all the emails that were stolen…

Heh, just like Obama.

therightscoop on December 9, 2009 at 6:30 PM

I thought he only banned people who insulted Manchelle Michelle Obama.

Monica on December 9, 2009 at 5:38 PM

I bring out the inner hate of the liberal.

upinak on December 9, 2009 at 6:35 PM

Brian1972 on December 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM

I sent it to the “Tips” email but either no one is home or apparently I don’t “get it” and it’s a perfectly lovely comment.

Cindy Munford on December 9, 2009 at 6:36 PM

“It’s a principle in physics.”

All that time in a PhD program … never came across this.

Given Thermodynamics … global cooling … would be inline with the principles.

AZ_Redneck on December 9, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Dude, that is way over the top.

Monica on December 9, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Really? I didn’t know there was a sliding scale of ad hominem arguments. I just assumed once that line is crossed, there is no going back.

And for my money, what is way over the top is what this little exchange referenced back to, in which upinak openly advocates for armed insurrection against the US government. If that isn’t over the top, then just what meaning could “over the top” have?

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 6:40 PM

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 6:40 PM

You really do not understand the constitution. An Armed Socitey is a polite one. I am sorry you you want the Government overloads to come and take you and your asinine ideals and values at heart. I prefer freedom myself.

upinak on December 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Brian1972 on December 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM

I sent it to the “Tips” email but either no one is home or apparently I don’t “get it” and it’s a perfectly lovely comment.

Cindy Munford on December 9, 2009 at 6:36 PM

I missed that one but I did send the one by JohnGalt earlier. Way over the top, doesn’t matter who the poster is or how long they’ve been here.

nwsseeker on December 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Doesn’t matter what the argument is/was you went way over by your the name calling. That should never be allowed to stand and I hope Allah bans you permanently.

nwsseeker on December 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM

This is the Warmer logic train. The first statement that can’t be proven to be true makes the rest of the statements in the train untrue or unreliable:

1. The earth is warming.
2. The warming is happening more and faster than can be explained by natural causes and cycles.
3. The earth is warming more and faster than it ever has in the past 1000 years or so, and especially more and faster in the last 150 years.
4. Greenhouse gases cause the excessive warming.
5. CO2 is the predominate gas that causes Greenhouse warming.
6. Human activity is responsible for all CO2 increases in the last 150 years or so.
7. We know what the ideal level of CO2 should be, and the ideal average global temperature. We know what the ‘tipping point’ is for CO2 and temperature that will lead to runaway global warming.
8. Our models and predictions are based on sound and settled climate principles and laws, accurate measurements, and observable data. The scientists we rely on for them are completely honest, honorable, and aboveboard. The models have been replicated by other scientists and have been rigorously tested. Our raw data is freely available for cross-checking.
9. Our models accurately predicted 10 years ago what is happening with global temperatures now.
10. Our models can accurately predict how much the the earth will warm, how much CO2 will accumulate, how much the oceans will rise etc. in the next century.
11. We know exactly what effects rising temperatures will have in various regions around the globe.
12. All effects of global warming are harmful to the earth and disasterous to man.
13. Man can prevent global warming.
14. The only way to prevent global warming is for all mankind to submit to the control of a global governing body to be determined by the UN.

I don’t know how far you can get in this list before you say, “Well it sounds like it might be true to me, but I can’t say for sure it’s been proven . . .”, but I hang up at about #2.

Note: it’s not for “skeptics” or “deniers” to prove these things are Not True, as the Warmers would have it, but for the Warmers to prove, as in provide incontrovertible scientific proof, that they Are Truths.

starboardhelm on December 9, 2009 at 6:53 PM

“Michele you tranny ape, nothing beats the gravity of a black hole.” — Bawney Fwank

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 5:35 PM

This seems to violate a rule I remember hearing something about. Anyone know what I am referring to?

Brian1972 on December 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Brian, I’ve always respected you and I love your comments. I am in complete agreement with you on this one. Seems the calibre of trolls who have been posting on here lately have been driving the site down toward the gutter. I’ve been around here for quite some time and I can’t believe the level of gutter talk which seem to permeate the threads nowadays.

nwsseeker on December 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM

First: BS (And I am not to proud to admit I know nothing about nuclear weaponry.)
Second: Did you overlook my sarc tag on purpose?

ConservativeTony on December 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM

First, no i didn’t overlook your sarc tag… I just wasn’t exactly clear what you were being sarcatic about.

Second, re: the potential for nuclear weapons…

A former colleauge of mine was big into nuclear politics, so we had some discussions about the theoretical effects of nuclear exchanges, the calculus involved, and why so many bobms were required at the height of the Cold War. If I remember correctly, the mean yield of devices in the American arsenal was 350 kT. If we assume the same for the Sov’s, that would be 100000+ warheads averaging 350 kT yield.

Now, take a look at this nuclear blast simulator. It’s pretty cool, and very useful. According to this, and if I’m reading it correctly, a 340 kT weapon airburst will, between thermal, blast, and fallout effects, have nearly a 100% casualty rate over somewhere approaching 100 sq. miles. Multiply that by 100000 weapons of the same size, and you are looking at 10 million square miles rendered lifeless almost immediately, assuming they are distributed properly.

now, the land surface area of the Earth is much larger than that, somewhere areound 150 million sq. miles. But big chunks of that land are unihabitable, and most of it is uninhabited. 10 million sq. miles will in fact cover most of the inhabited ares.

And this does not even cover secondary effects of such a holocaust, e.g. nuclear winter, toxification of ground water, etc. Whatever survivors might be scattered would, in all likelihood, die from secondary effects.

So, getting back to the original point of Rush making claims that mankind couldn’t undo God’s work of creating humans (if in fact that was the argument he made), than I hold that the nuclear weapons industry negates that argument.

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Brian, I’ve always respected you and I love your comments. I am in complete agreement with you on this one. Seems the calibre of trolls who have been posting on here lately have been driving the site down toward the gutter. I’ve been around here for quite some time and I can’t believe the level of gutter talk which seem to permeate the threads nowadays.

nwsseeker on December 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Thanks. This guy in particular is only here to make people angry. Nothing but insults and trash. This time he bought the farm with that Mrs. Obama thing. Allah will have to ban him after all the controversy about the “jokes” some time back. The policy was zero tolerance, if I recall correctly.
That means none.

Brian1972 on December 9, 2009 at 7:12 PM

upinak on December 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

You really do not understand the constitution.

Once again, when you can point me to the part of the Constitution, or the Federalist papers, or recognized constitutional scholars opinions that claim that you, your firearm, and your bravado gets to be the arbiter of what is and is not constitutional, then maybe i’ll have some respect for your opinions on the US Constitution.

But when you talk about an armed march on the Capitol to string up constitutional officers over policy, rather than letting the SCOTUS and the electorate have their cracks at the matters, you do not demonstrate any measure of expertise on the Constitution. Indeed, by doing so, you demonstrate a profound disrespect for our Constitution, and the republic which it governs. And the idea that the US armed forces are going to just let you do it because you are a woman is not on delusional, but dangerously so.

I am sorry you you want the Government overloads

Government overloads? What? Did someone switch DC’s power supply from AC to DC?

Or do you mean

overlords

?

Well, in that case, I would say that those who want to engage in armed insurrection over policy differences without even giving SCOTUS (the branch of the government designed to act as a check on unconstitutional measures) a chance… those are the people I have to worry about setting themselves up as overlords, not the members of a duly elected Congress.

and take you and your asinine ideals and values at heart.

You mean like the asinine ideals of allowing the checks and balances built into our republic to work? like not wanting to hang constitutional officers because I disagree with them? Are those the asinine ideals to which you refer?

Once again, who exactly is the threat to our freedoms and our republic? it sure sounds to me like you are.

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 7:15 PM

“Physics”. He keeps cwusing that word. I do not thing it means cwhat he thinks it means.

GunRunner on December 9, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Reminds me of how he supported the pop psychology crap his wife threw around during the PMRC hearings. He’s got a record of promoting nonsense.

Rob Taylor on December 9, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Once again, who exactly is the threat to our freedoms and our republic? it sure sounds to me like you are.

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Look dude, I have never once gotten involved in the back & forth b/t posters on HA, but I gotta speak up on this one.

Upinak is one of the best posters here & her posts are fair, so shut your long winded PIE HOLE for awhile and please don’t call anyone that hangs here a WHORE or a threat to this country…….tasteless.

Ris4victory on December 9, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Thanks. This guy in particular is only here to make people angry. Nothing but insults and trash. This time he bought the farm with that Mrs. Obama thing. Allah will have to ban him after all the controversy about the “jokes” some time back. The policy was zero tolerance, if I recall correctly.
That means none.

Brian1972 on December 9, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Allah, I thought that this thread was supposed to be about Gore; instead it has turned to posters making racist rants with sexual innuendo.

Johan Klaus on December 9, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Puh-leez. You bunch could teach the whining sob-sister left a thing or two, now couldn’t you?

And for the record, the Barney Frank “quote” was perfectly legitimate parody based on Barney’s own abrasive nature, which is once again in the news as we speak. Get outside of your echo chamber and you might get a clue on the larger picture.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30374.html

voxpopuli on December 9, 2009 at 7:30 PM

I spit on you and your carbon nazis, Albert Gorebbels Jr.

joe btfsplk on December 9, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Ris4victory on December 9, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Upinak is one of the best posters here & her posts are fair

so you think that advocating armed insurrection against this government is a good idea and reflects well on this site?

Gotcha. You betcha.

so shut your long winded PIE HOLE for awhile and please don’t call anyone that hangs here a WHORE or a threat to this country

And I should care about you because….?

Because I assure you, if you are siding with someone arguing in public on this site for an armed march on DC, I don’t.

JohnGalt23 on December 9, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Mr. Galt23, I suspect you are not much longer for this blog.

Buford Gooch on December 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM

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