Report: Senate Democrats drop the public option
posted at 9:23 pm on December 8, 2009 by Allahpundit
In favor of what, you ask? Good question. They’re not saying until CBO scores the plan, but it’s safe to assume that the Medicare “compromise” will figure into it. The details aren’t important right now anyway. Just know that, in the span of about five hours, Reid and company have set up not one but two separate death struggles with their pals in the House.
A thumbnail sketch from Politico:
The broad outlines of the deal had been discussed for days and would include creating a new national health plan administered by the federal government that would offer insurance policies offered by private companies…
By Tuesday evening, the group was no longer considering opening Medicaid to people with incomes 150 percent above the poverty line. It faded as a realistic option amid concerns among moderates and many governors that it would put too much of a burden on state governments, which pick up a portion of the coverage costs.
Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), who is still being wooed by Democrats, expressed strong skepticism toward another key element, the expansion of Medicare to people between 55 and 64. She said she was concerned the bill would rely too much on government to fill gaps in insurance coverage that the private sector should handle…
The Medicaid expansion was viewed as a trade-off for liberals who were disappointed that the public option was falling out of the bill. An expansion of Medicare is still under serious consideration because it’s easier to manage the costs by controlling who can “buy in” to the program.
House liberals Jerrold Nadler and Jan Schakowsky promised lefty Greg Sargent earlier today that they wouldn’t roll over for the Senate and were skeptical of the compromise plans coming out of there. Quoth Nadler: “The House is not going to be dictated to.” Exit question one: Which side caves? Exit question two: On a scale of one to 10, how fiery will nutroots outrage at the Senate’s betrayal be tomorrow?
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DROP THE BILL.
daesleeper on December 8, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Don’t believe them until THEY KILL THE BILLS!
Enoxo on December 8, 2009 at 9:26 PM
the house will get dictated to.
rob verdi on December 8, 2009 at 9:26 PM
They need Snowe or Collins if Nelson actually sticks to his threat to vote no on cloture.
At least both Snowe and Collins have first-hand knowledge of what a mess Dirigo Care has been in Maine.
Wethal on December 8, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Wonder how many more minutes it will be until Mount Pelosi erupts.
pilamaye on December 8, 2009 at 9:27 PM
they just need to worry about the economy, and drop this stupid bill all together.
trailortrash on December 8, 2009 at 9:27 PM
If Obama goes to the House and says “My presidency and your future depends on this”, they’ll cave.
Okay, “Your future and my presidency..”
SteveMG on December 8, 2009 at 9:28 PM
I hope the GOP has the sense (yes, big hope) to introduce an amendment dropping the individual mandate.
It would probably fail like the rest of theirs, but it would be good to see Dems on record as forcing the American people to buy something.
Wethal on December 8, 2009 at 9:29 PM
This is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter who actually offers the insurance plans, private or public entity. As long as the plans are administered by the gov’t, they will set the standard for what must be included in any plan. Your current $300/mo catastrophic coverage plan with a 10k deductible won’t cut it anymore – it must have offer abortion coverage and lbgt conversion therapy, whether you want it or not.
Mr. Pickles on December 8, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Libs do not worry about that. They figure they figure that they can just add those unemployed people to some social welfare program role and turn them into Democrat slave voters.
Holger on December 8, 2009 at 9:29 PM
That’s easy. The House caves. All they have to do is get their foot in the door right now. They can swing the door wide open at a later date.
SouthernGent on December 8, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Furthering my point, Reid was just quoted as saying public option isn’t dead.
Enoxo on December 8, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Snowe or Collins will buckle after Obama calls them and gives them thrills up the leg with his airy rhetoric. They’ll pronounce history called and vote in favor of this, hoping to “continue the national discussion” and promising to keep tabs on the outcome.
Or the “pro-life”/conservative left will buckle after putting on some show and receiving promises of support/money for pet issues.
I don’t trust any of them.
amerpundit on December 8, 2009 at 9:30 PM
the trial balloons have been floated. The rage against the machine has been evaluated, and the dogs will now salivate when the bell is rung. The pot of gold will be put just a little further down the road and the road to victory will be paved with gold.
liberals destroying America.
ted c on December 8, 2009 at 9:30 PM
As if all the dropped items won’t be thrown back in one minute before the vote is taken; the dems know what price will be paid if they fail on this.
Bishop on December 8, 2009 at 9:31 PM
How does that even work? Do they give people vouchers or something?
I don’t think Nancy is going to like this.
They still have to get it past the House.
Terrye on December 8, 2009 at 9:31 PM
I’m sure going to miss freedom.
TexasDan on December 8, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Harry says it’s not true, but didn’t this group of Dems have his blessing to work out a compromise?
blue on blue. heh.
Wethal on December 8, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Modesty aside, I thought this might happen and wrote this in July on the sheer stupidity that the Democrats have put themselves and the nation through:
On the off chance that no deal is possible, (a slim but growing possibility) expect some type of legislation expanding s-chip or greater access to Medicaid, which is currently in the works anyway, much to the ire of the countries governors.
rob verdi on December 8, 2009 at 9:32 PM
I’m sure going to miss freedom.
TexasDan on December 8, 2009 at 9:31 PM
We may have to hit the reset button.
artist on December 8, 2009 at 9:33 PM
The federal government will negotiate the rates, as it does for the policies for federal employees that are issued by privatg insurers.
Wethal on December 8, 2009 at 9:33 PM
They’ll pass something and “fix it” in conference.
darwin-t on December 8, 2009 at 9:34 PM
My thoughts exactly.
ExSubNuke on December 8, 2009 at 9:35 PM
With how far all of the moderates have gone with this whole thing, I can’t see a “compromise” happening. It’s all a stall tactic to get the whole thing passed. They have the numbers and vulnerable dems are going to walk the plank. I bet they’ve been guaranteed admin spots that are farely high level if they get voted out. THIS is the end game.
dforston on December 8, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Ongoing,NeverEnding Liberal Wheel’n and Deal’n me thinks!
The nutroots will probably bypass 10,and straight to 11 in
their manufactured outrage,similar to Spinal Tap’s amp!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY
canopfor on December 8, 2009 at 9:38 PM
They’ll pass something and “fix it” in conference.
darwin-t
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My thoughts exactly.
ExSubNuke on December 8, 2009 at 9:35 PM
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ExSubNuke: In a smoke-filled backroom somewhere no doubt!:)
canopfor on December 8, 2009 at 9:40 PM
I question the timing.
russcote on December 8, 2009 at 9:40 PM
I smell a rat~they know that they can’t get votes from squishes like Libermann, well, maybe, gee gosh, I don’t know, probably NOT get votes from scum like him for the public option…..
So, what did we bend over for? Public executions of Tea Party members by Dirty Harry?
HornetSting on December 8, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I hate all of these fckers.
BPD on December 8, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Meantime the economy of the country slides into oblivion, employment is a thing of memory, the nation’ prestige and influence are sinking into the mud — but Congress is going to turn us into a socialist state come H*ll of high water.
Pray for the Republic.
johnsteele on December 8, 2009 at 9:42 PM
I think that all they’re trying to do at this point is get the bill to conference, where they can rewrite it however the House wants it, since the Senate won’t be able to block it then.
JohnJ on December 8, 2009 at 9:42 PM
If they drop it, it’ll be for a public option by another name.
Different name, same people in control.
JellyToast on December 8, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Let me be clear, this is bullsh!t.
txag92 on December 8, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Can someone tell me what we’re paying for if not a “public option” (which will lead to socialized medicine)? I mean, whether it’s the low estimate of $1.2 TRILLION, or the other estimates of $3 TRILLION and $6 TRILLION… I can’t for the life of me understand what we’re getting for that money?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not for socialized medicine… but I haven’t heard what else we’re buying with these trillions? Anyone have any idea?
RightWinged on December 8, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Hey, when history calls, history calls.
stenwin77 on December 8, 2009 at 9:45 PM
No matter who “wins” in all this petty back-and-forth, the American people lose.
Osama Obama will get what he wants, even if he has to use massive amounts of our grandchildrens’ money for
bribesincentives, and we’ll be one step closer to bankruptcy and unconstitutional totalitarian control of the citizens.MrScribbler on December 8, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Most transparent Congress ever!
I’m going to disagree with Southern Gent and say Pelosi will have a “talk” with Reid. Of course, the GOP RINOs cave. No surprises.
Heads. Will. Explode. Bring the popcorn!
Seriously though, this bill needs to die. I really like freedom and democracy.
conservative pilgrim on December 8, 2009 at 9:46 PM
hehe
HRC would have waited til the economy was sound number one, and number two Obama doesnt have half the balls and passion HRC had for healthcare, yet the moronic Dems tjrew her under the bus for ‘me wonderful oh he is soo progressie squeal! oh he’s sooo smart squeal! he will charm the world! he will not trianguilate like that oh so evuil Bill Clinton!!”
dumb bastards. with HRV who knew damn well how to work the levers of power and her embrace of free market capitalism we couldve had it all, just like Bogey and Bacall
..sailin away to Key Largo….
ginaswo on December 8, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Obama’s legacy. It’s all about the O.
conservative pilgrim on December 8, 2009 at 9:48 PM
sorry for typos!! sleepy ;)
ginaswo on December 8, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Good question… at least we know where 300 mil is going…. Louisiana.
BPD on December 8, 2009 at 9:50 PM
I hope the next Republican administration goes after Obama and his cronies for treason and crimes against humanity.
darwin on December 8, 2009 at 9:52 PM
I agree. I hope the worst for all who support this because it makes absolutely no sense. It costs a ton, helps little if at all, and bankrupts us.
BuckeyeSam on December 8, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Conservative upsets GOP establishment candidate in Mass. primary? Could we really take Mass next year, too?
SouthernGent on December 8, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Heh. Whenever I hear “Let me be clear”, I know the next thing I’m going to hear is bullsh!t.
2ipa on December 8, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Fck’n A right!
bernzright777 on December 8, 2009 at 9:56 PM
rightwinged
we are getting a mandate and we get to cover our kids til they are 27, while we work til we are 78 and they gut our Medicare
in my glorious Demness, this was my number one issue, thus my original support of HRC. What these neoprogressive wankers have done is ruined it utterly and made something that will actually HURT the middle class, RAISE costs (on individuals nd states) and LOWER quality
the ins cos are getting millions of forced customers with the mandate that Obama railed against HRC for supporting in our primaries, but HRC had it linked to the opening of the Federal HealthPlan to all of us and opening state lines for comeptition
this is a clusterfark
when Obama met with Billy Tauzin and big Pharma skated and Daschle was doing the dealing I knew the bill was destroyed
Daschle and \Team Obama nastily referred to their grand health care rollout plan as ABC Anything But Clinton. fxxkers.
as we get mandated and fined and services get cut , Medicare Advantage first which ironically serves the poor but the poor dont know they even have it, well the pain starts 4 years before the crappy benefits under their plan
so everyone will be good and pixxed
between Obamas anti capitalist economic spend and tax tax is coming, policies, and his pathetic apology tours and arrogance, they have IMO destroyed the Democratic brand for years to come. many of we blue collar middle class types loved the Clintons, even Kudlow called him Regans third term and Art Laffer voted for Big Dawg too
GROW THE PIE!! Dont steal my pie!
ginaswo on December 8, 2009 at 9:57 PM
LOL at the latest on HuffPo:
Reid: “No the public option has not been dropped.”
Lieberman: “The public option has been dropped.”
Well, the Google linked article IS an hour old.
Marcus on December 8, 2009 at 9:57 PM
What? That seems … impossible.
darwin on December 8, 2009 at 9:57 PM
I guess we can add this to the ‘Three Biggest Lies’ list…
Seven Percent Solution on December 8, 2009 at 9:58 PM
So, if no public option~how is the government going to give illegal aliens their free healthcare?
HornetSting on December 8, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Not that I care, but for Reid this change would seem an interesting Profile in Courage, considering his talk about abolition and healthcare:
The Majority Leader Yesterday: Until every drop of blood drawn by the
lashneedle shall be paid by another…for it will be said “the judgments of theLordCongress are true and righteous altogether.”The Majority Leader Today: The Migration or Importation of such
personsinsurance policies as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight…Oh, the humanity! What happened to that last measure of devotion, Harry? What ever will the netroots do? Wherever shall they go?
On a more serious note, this, naturally, is just an attempt at getting a foot in the door and browbeating for more later. I hope they on the left understand that approach is getting as old as the blatant attempts at statism.
Horatius on December 8, 2009 at 10:04 PM
I only ask because there was NO enthusiasm (10% turnout) to fill the murderers seat in MA. If the Left are not motivated to vote because of stuff like the public option being dropped…
SouthernGent on December 8, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Weren’t there a few leftie senators who wouldn’t vote for the bill without the public option? Siegel from Vermont, maybe?whitehouse from ohio? Boxer?
Will they be able to publicly vote for this version even if Harry makes a private promise that the public option goes back in in conference?
Wethal on December 8, 2009 at 10:05 PM
My powder is dry my pitch is sharp.If these jerks are that stupid to pass this unconstitutional freedom taking bill. Them each one of them deserve the revolution that is coming.Like the movie said we are mad as HELL AND WE WILL NOT TAKE THIS CRAP ANY MORE.
thmcbb on December 8, 2009 at 10:06 PM
HEADLINE: Senate drops public option. No detail given.
Translation: The Senate hasn’t dropped the public option.
exceller on December 8, 2009 at 10:08 PM
I’ll give you twelve marbles and pack of gum for two Bugs Bunny Pez dispensers. Really, that’s about the level this discussion has sunken to.
Except these morons are talking about billion dollar marbles and trillion dollar packs of gum.
fogw on December 8, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Squat to Pee…The Sequel!!!
BigWyo on December 8, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Here is some leaked info:
Enoxo on December 8, 2009 at 10:10 PM
KILL THE BILL.
The public option will appear in this bill, hidden somewhere; or in another bill. Watch. Anything to fool some of the idiots in the senate.
cubachi on December 8, 2009 at 10:10 PM
As always, with the Democrats, don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do. There is no way that, during these meetings behind closed doors, they’re not planning a way to get everything they want and try to make it look like they didn’t realize they were getting everything they want.
I don’t know how they’re going to do it, but with the press we have, they will certainly be able to say anything, even if it strains credibility, and get away with it. The only network that will call them on it is Fox.
NEVER, EVER TRUST THE DEMOCRATS TO DO THE RIGHT THING!
bflat879 on December 8, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Unfortunately that looks like enough to get Lieberman and Snowe. Maybe Collins, too. So Nelson wouldn’t be needed.
Wethal on December 8, 2009 at 10:12 PM
The rates would have to be high enough for the insurance companies to make a profit, yet low enough to avoid the trigger. Great.
Wethal on December 8, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Same here….because I will not comply with any of their unconstitutional power grabs.
Patrick S on December 8, 2009 at 10:19 PM
It’s already passed. We just weren’t informed. My elderly mom just got a letter from Medicare cutting her benefits and another from Blue Cross informing her of rate hikes on her gap insurance.
Nalea on December 8, 2009 at 10:21 PM
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Asher on December 8, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Holy Bat Crap!
HornetSting on December 8, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Dropping the Public Option is the only way this gets past cloture in the senate. Once that is done, they will add whatever crap they want to back into the bill when the “differences” are resolved between the house and senate bill. After that they don’t need 60 votes, just a simple majority…at least that’s how my grandpappy explained it to me on his death bed…right before he said;
“We’re screwed!”
b4itsover on December 8, 2009 at 10:27 PM
I hate all the jacka$$es that voted them in.
churchill995 on December 8, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Not good enough/ Kill the bill.
The Progressives decades old strategy is one of incrementalism. They are always moving forward even if it’s only one inch at a time. Recall where SCHIP started? How does that compare to where it is now?
They will drop the public option now only to come back for it later. And the morons in the GOP still haven’t caught on to their strategy. They are afraid to really fight for limited government and content to trim around the edges of the Marxists programs.
Supporting this bill accepts the premise that the Demos approach is the right one. It legitimizes the illegitimate.
KILL THE BILL!
DerKrieger on December 8, 2009 at 10:28 PM
60 votes are not needed on whatever is voted out of conference–only 51. As I stated on last night’s thread on health care here, the congress critters voting for any bill in the Senate is voting for a public option–whether or not it is in the Senate version of the bill.
BryanS on December 8, 2009 at 10:28 PM
No date certain for withdrawl from Afgan-Viet; and the public option being killed in the senate.
Oh and btw, O is at 46% in Gallop. How many different ways can you say Lame duck president?
Luntz was just on Hannity and he said there’s an “outside, outside” chance the house will go republican next year.
That’s like saying Katrina might have some rain.
B Man on December 8, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I’m not going to miss squat. Because I’m not going to play their little game. If the Dems are going to turn the Federal Government into an oppressive empire then it is our duty to stand our ground and prohibit them from doing so.
Skywise on December 8, 2009 at 10:29 PM
F*CK the nutroots GD it. This bill should be opposed by all legislators who have sworn an oath to uphold and defined the Constitution. Congress, and the People, can’t just do whatever the heck they want just because they have a majority. The Constitution is the rulebook by which we all must abide.
DerKrieger on December 8, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Oh, why don’t they just stop the charade. there will be a public option regardless of all this posturing crap. Public option meant to kill off private insurance. It’s the only reason for this garbage to begin with. They aren’t letting it go.
ddrintn on December 8, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Will be interesting to see how much of this can rolled back in three years; my fears are not enough of it…but with unemployment and underemployment still likely to be high, it’s going to be one helluva turnout not only in 2010, but in 2012 as well.
churchill995 on December 8, 2009 at 10:33 PM
You do all realize that there are more important issues at hand. Namely, the Tiger Woods Bimbo-palooza .
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on December 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Federalism is the answer.
I received this response from Randy Brogdon, GOP candidate for OK Governor, when I asked him about nullification.
Work hard, very hard to elect Conservatives to the state legislatures and reassert the states’ 10th Amendment rights.
DerKrieger on December 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Dude, ASCII art! I’m having Apple ][ flashbacks.
ElectricPhase on December 8, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Russ Feingold has just released a statement that said “I do not support proposals that would replace the public option.”
Enoxo on December 8, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Well this was predictable. There was no way a public option was getting threw.
Now the interesting part starts. Odds are against everything collapsing completely, but it might happen. So, I’m guessing they get a very piss poor compromise bill to declare victory.
So what exactly was the point of the abortion vote earlier anyway if the public option was going to be dropped?
jhffmn on December 8, 2009 at 10:37 PM
err getting through, not threw.
jhffmn on December 8, 2009 at 10:38 PM
I’m willing to bet that there are a lot of Democrats that really want this to die to save their political careers. Not all of them are resigned to retirement, voluntary or involuntary. How can we helps these reluctant martyrs save themselves?
DerKrieger on December 8, 2009 at 10:39 PM
The Lying Liars Who Lie. I believe nothing that falls from their lips.
Ricohoc on December 8, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Someone should offer the federal register as an amendment to the bill and refuse to wave unanimous consent to waive the reading of the amendment.
agmartin on December 8, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Yeah. Harry Reid was going through the motions only. There was never any way a public option would get through the Senate. I think Lieberman voting to allow the debate to proceed to the floor was really doing what he could to kill the bill. The Dems would have to get 60 votes approving the removal of the public option, else they start over by sending it back to committee. Lieberman, you glorious bastard!
It’s questionable that the Dems can get 60 votes to remove the public option. It would be jolly fun to see Republicans opposing the removal of the public option so as to prevent any bill from passing. Ahhh
sausage makinger legislation.BryanS on December 8, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Hey Senators my dog dropped a better looking pile in the park!
sonnyspats1 on December 8, 2009 at 10:53 PM
WTH was that?
I’m so sick of hearing these reports…public option is dead, free health care for illegal immigrants is dead, cap and trade is dead, Communism is dead…
These jokers will just stick it back in someplace else down the line.
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 8, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Ooh, I like! Even better, the entire contents of the Library of Congress.
GnuBreed on December 8, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Speakup on December 8, 2009 at 10:57 PM
I think we are being compromised, dropped, tabled and traded off into this Bill becoming law. And it will pretty much be everything the Democrats want and nothing that makes sense. The Won will be glad to sign it because it will be historically unprecedented.
Cindy Munford on December 8, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Over 1,000 heads exploding at Daily Kos
Dail Kos is covering the same issue dealt with in Allahpundit’s post but their title is Breaking News: Senate Dems Drop Public Option. What I find fascinating about the Daily Kos coverage is that the over 1,000 commentators on the post are dumping big time on Obama and the Democratic party for the what they consider a sell out by Obama and the Democratic party.
Many of the commentators are claiming they will leave the Democratic Party over the news of no Public Option while many others are claiming they will now become Independents.
I have never seen such a loath fest by liberal Democrats on Obama and the Democrat party as is now occurring in the comment section of that article.
Basil Fawlty on December 8, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Why are they willing to lose the elections next year over this? There is more here than meets the eye. They are completely unresponsive to public opinion. They have something up their sleeves. And what ever is really going on it isn’t good for the American people.
The entire Democratic Party is crooked.
I didn’t used to believe that… but after seeing how they behaved this year. And how they completely ignore the corruption of ACORN and all their own members…
When a Republican is dirty the party kicks them out. Dems promote them.
petunia on December 8, 2009 at 11:21 PM
We have a new example to point to when we use the term “convoluted”.
csdeven on December 8, 2009 at 11:21 PM
They are people who can’t be pleased. Even if they get everything they want they still hate. Because that is their identity. They are haters.
petunia on December 8, 2009 at 11:23 PM
I am ashamed to say that I had the thought today that I hope the economy doesn’t improve… I’m very sorry all you out of work people. I’m sure I get some bad Karma for it.
I just want these thieves out of my government so bad.
petunia on December 8, 2009 at 11:26 PM
I’m amazed at how long it took them to get to this point. The public option was always a non-starter and they all knew it. It would burden future generations the way Medicare currently does.
So now that he’s about finished with this process, he finally gets to the starting point of debating without a public option.
No matter what they do, they don’t now nor will they ever have enough money to pay for it. And they don’t propose solutions that would cost ZERO dollars (TORT reform).
ThackerAgency on December 8, 2009 at 11:36 PM
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